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Table of Contents
1. EDITORIAL
Avoiding Computer Chauvinism
2. ARTICLES
Hayes Bell/CCITT compatible modems
LOGMSG - A new Utility to log Sysop comments to MAILER.LOG
New Version of SYSREPT for FIDO 11v
3. COLUMNS
ADVENTURE Revisted
FIDO Bug Reports (Killing Fido's Fleas)
Notes from Abroad
4. WANTED
ECHOMAIL Information
5. FOR SALE
Entertainment Software for your PC!
Public Domain Software Library Sale!!
Special Offer to FidoNet Sysops
6. NOTICES
Trojan Horse Warning!
The Interrupt Stack
CARTOON: Gruesome George, by Bruce White
FidoMail Diplomacy
Metro-Fire Fido Celebrates First Birthday
Notice of Renumbering - Net 124
Sysops Passwords In Use
Fidonews Page 2 12 May 1986
WHICH BRAND IS BEST?
AVOIDING COMPUTER CHAUVINISM
Mike Guffey
In the process of adding to our stable of electronic
paraphernalia, it is sometimes easy to forget just what our
computers are: collections of switches that turn on or off. Yes,
some are much fancier and faster and sleeker than others, but
there is a price to be paid for more buttons, knobs and gizmos.
It is easy to forget just how useful smaller, slower, less
expensive machines are for some people and perhaps once were for
us as well. To paraphrase Peter McWilliams, computers don't
become obsolete, they just become last year's models.
So, in searching for (or even recommending) a new computer, we
must not forget just what we should be looking for: greater
utility. And if that utility is measured in speed, color
graphics, storage capacity, and the like, then fine. But, if
instead, we fall victim to marketing hype and spend more than we
should or need to we are likely be seduced by each expensive new
bell or whistle and never be satisfied with what we buy. It is
fundamental that the more expensive the basic computer, the more
expensive the cost of upgrading. Knowing when to stop spending
money may be =the= hardest computing lesson to learn. It's an
undocumented lesson.
We must never forget that the best selling computing device on
the face of this earth is still the ancient abacus. It suffers
neither from power failures nor complicated and undecipherable
documentation. It's just slower.
For some reason or another, overseas communications have come to
be much more common than they once were. Maybe all of us modem
addicts have run out of new BBS's to call within the US, or maybe
we've just made a subconscious decision to make Ma Bell rich.
Anyhow, There seems to be a major bottleneck with the problem of
incompatible modems. Bell has one standard, CCITT another.
Hayes microcomputer products, of Smartmodem fame, has just redone
their smartmodem line again.All new Hayes modems have builtin
Bell/CCITT compatability. All you have to do is flip a switch. I
also understand that the user can select Bell or CCITT through
software, but I'm not sure what the command is. I'm sure it's
referenced somewhere in their manual.
I am production manager for a PC distributor in Manhattan, and I
can tell you that Hayes puts out a quality product. It costs a
little extra, but it's well worth the expense. Very rarely will I
see a Hayes box in the returns pile.
Any feedback on these modems is welcome, and may be directed to
Fido 107/35.
LOGMSG
A new Utility to log Sysop comments to MAILER.LOG
As more and more BBS support processes become automated, it
becomes more difficult to monitor just what worked correctly and
what may have failed. In order to provide a consolidated record
of just what does go on, LOGMSG was created to simply append
comments to MAILER.LOG. It is expected to usually be executed
from inside an automated batch file.
The format of the execution command for LOGMSG is:
LOGMSG comment
where "comment" is a 1 to 120 character string of any ASCII
characters that the user wishes to add to the end of MAILER.LOG.
All blanks immediately following "LOGMSG" are ignored as
"comment" is assumed to start with the first non-blank character.
It may contain as many embedded blanks as desired, however.
By default, LOGMSG will append the given comment to the file:
D:\FIDO\MAILER.LOG
If you wish to change this default it is necessary to run the
program LMSETUP. This is done by entering the command:
LMSETUP
Note that it is required that LOGMSG.EXE be located in the
default directory when this command is entered. LMSETUP will
display the current default FILESPEC and allow you to enter a
replacement. Any valid DOS filespec, complete with full path,
may be entered as long as the total length does not exceed 44
bytes. In the event that you do not wish to change the current
default, just hit enter instead of entering a new filespec.
LOGMSG.ARC, which includes LOGMSG.EXE, LMSETUP.EXE and an
expanded version of this file, LOGMSG.DOC, is available for
downloading from:
D2-FIDO (107/211) 516-682-8525 evenings or weekends at 1200 bps
DANIELS-FIDO (107/211) 516-367-9626 most any time/day 2400-300
It is distributed under the Shareware concept and may be used for
free by all users other than those with direct commercial
application.
A new version of SYSREPT is now available. Version 1.52 was
released April 28, 1986. This version now correctly interprets
the upload/download logs of FIDO Version 11v. It is not
compatible with pre-version 11v releases of FIDO. If the format
of the SYSOP.LOG file remains constant, this new release of
SYSREPT will be around for a while.
For those not familiar with SYSREPT, this is a utility that
provides management data to FIDO SYSOPS. The reports are too
comprehensive to be included in this article (they also require a
full 80 columns). However, a few partial examples might be of
interest:
The Compressed Console Log Report provides a daily listing of all
callers showing the time they called, baud rate, length of
connection, name, incorrect password attempts, file uploads, file
downloads, and identifies first time callers.
The Download Log Report shows, during the analysis period, how
many times various files have been downloaded. Arranged
alphabetically, this helps a SYSOP determine when certain files
should be removed.
The Upload Log Report lists files uploaded as well as the names,
dates, and times the uploads took place. This is an excellent
means of determining who uploaded selected files.
However, the real power if SYSREPT is in the Utilization Report.
The entire report cannot be contained in a FidoNews article due
to column width limitations. However, this should give you a
good idea as to how it looks:
Fidonews Page 6 12 May 1986
FIDO UTILIZATION REPORT FOR
RAMS - Node 14/61
From 20 Apr 86 to 26 Apr 86
Percentages Averaged over this 7 day period
Report Printed on: 5/03/1986 at 23:29
Data From: SYSOP.LOG
Calling Baud Rates Utilization Statistics
------------------ ----------------------
300 Baud - 52 ( 18%) Total Up-Time- 10080 Min
1200 Baud - 178 ( 61%) In-Use-Time- 5042 Min
2400 Baud - 60 ( 21%) FIDONET (est)- 420 Min
------------------ Avg Utilization- 52.2%
Total Calls This Period - 290 (about 41 calls per day)
Incomplete Logins - 23 (about 3 per day)
Average Call Duration - 17.4 (+/- 15.6) min.
FidoNet active from 3:00am to 4:00am.
File Upload/Download Activity
-----------------------------
Transfer Type Total this period Avg/Day
------------- ----------------- -------
Uploads 28 4.0
Downloads 255 36.4
Fidonews Page 7 12 May 1986
SYSREPT may be downloaded from several nodes. The most current
version is always available from FIDO 14/61 (507-289-8452, 2400
baud/ 23hrs ) in File Area #1 (Fido Software). You could also
check 100/22 or other nodes in St. Louis. They have an early
copy because without Ben Baker's help, the new version of SYSREPT
would only be a gleam in my eye. Ben offered many excellent
suggestions and provides considerable quantities of test data.
Although SYSREPT will now handle the SYSOP.LOG file, there are
still a few anomolies that are difficult to interpret. Since we
humans cannot figure out what the .LOG file means in all
circumstances, SYSREPT will err on the side of being
conservative. It will not report a file as being downloaded
unless it can prove that the download was successful.
Please feel free to forward comments/criticisms etc, to:
Alfred Anderson
FIDO 14/61
(Note: SYSREPT is available to any FIDO Sysop free of charge. It
is made available to help others. No request for "donations" is
being made. Just enjoy using the software.)
Adventures are good for you. The increase literacy and
exercise your mind. They can be fun to create, and fun to solve.
And (don't quote me on this) they're fun to cheat on, too --
sneaking answers out of the program when you can't figure out
what to do next.
It's worth making comments on the "sneaking" part. When
I'm asked "How do you get past the snake?" or some other question
spawned from utter frustration, I tend to have a standard reply:
"Ask me again, and I'll tell you the answer ... but first, think
and be sure you really WANT it." It's annoying to be told
something that you would have thought of yourself... any moment
now.
Similarly, in anticipation of clever adverturers listing
the program and browsing through my files, I carefully encrypted
the command list. This is particularly Machiavellian on my part,
I think. An experienced programmer can find out what might
happen, but still not how to make it happen.
I'm talking, of course, about the original Adventure,
which was written by Crowther and Woods. It grew -- in organic
manner -- at M.I.T., and quickly spread to all Digital Equipment
Corporation (DEC) computer systems, worldwide. Many big computer
users didn't even know they had it, but file advent was there,
all right. It took up a huge amount of memory. The architecture
of large systems allowed such programs to be restricted to quiet
times, so that the command HOURS would list -- from the system
log -- the non-priority hours during which Adventure could be
played.
When micros started to gain attention, Adventure became a
common case in point for computer users. Many users said: "These
small computers are all very well, but I can tell you one problem
which will never fit..." -- meaning the original Adventure. And
when 8K machines expanded to 16K and then 32K, I decided I needed
to take a shot at it. I viewed the game as a "classic"; I didn't
want to change it or put in my own cute things. For memory and
run time considerations, I abbreviated a few small parts of the
game.
Let me tell you a little about Adventure, if you've never
been there. You begin by finding yourself at the end of a road
before a small brick building. A stream runs out of the
building. From that point on, you're on your own -- except for a
rumour that somewhere nearby is supposed to be a Colossal Cave,
filled with fabulous wealth.
Fidonews Page 9 12 May 1986
When you find the cave, you're confronted by dozens of
events. The cave is populated by dwarves, a troll, a dragon, a
giant clam, a tiny bird, a shadowy figure off in the distance,
something that rustles as it follows you, a little plant that
whispers "water," a fierce green snake, and a bear. Some of the
treasures seem to have special problems: a delicate Ming vase can
be picked up, but breaks when it's dropped; a gold nugget makes
the exit stairway vanish if you pick it up; and a platinum
pyramid is not only invisible in a dark room, but won't fit
through the tiny exit hole. But -- as is often said -- there are
no problems, there are only challenges.
Even in the early days, Adventure inspired a host of
emulators. TPUG President Michael Bonnycastle wrote Caves and
Stygian Tombs, so as to devise an interesting adventure that
would fit within 8K of memory. As a response, I wrote an "array"
adventure called Explore to demonstrate how to fit the maximum
number of rooms within limited memory.
As systems grew in memory size and general capability,
even the classic Adventure was overtaken by successors. The Zork
series allows much more flexible syntax: where Adventure permits
permits only two words, a verb and a noun, Zork will deal with a
sentence such as: "Put the cake on the table."
A few words of caution: it's very easy to make adventure
writing an ego trip: putting in clues that nobody will be able to
solve if they aren't "in." Players tire very quickly of a game if
they feel that it's not a challenge, just an exercise to show how
clever the writer is. On the other hand, an adventure shouldn't
be a dull recital. Nothing is more booring than proceeding along
and killing everything in sight. Maybe your strength will give
out, or maybe you'll make it through, but there's little exercise
for the mind here.
I recall having a discussion with an adventure-writer
about non-violent adventures. The idea was that you couldn't get
killed or hurt, and couldn't lose the game. The thought was
laudable, but the game was a little dull; if you knew you
couldn't fail, you didn't have the same motivation. In contrast,
a preschool game called Thirsty Nellan offers challenge and a
good interest level.
Educators have told me that adventure games make a major
contribution to reading skills. Kids who are almost illiterate
will learn to read better in order to understand the adventure
situations ... and will learn to spell better. After all, if you
want to take the necklace and type TAKE NECKLISS, the computer
won't give you the booty.
(c) Copyright 1985 Jim Butterfield. Permission to reprint is
hereby granted provided this notice is included in the reprinted
material.
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Fidonews Page 10 12 May 1986
The amount of reports has steadily been increasing, however most
reports are due to sysop error or some type of set-up problem.
However, this week a serious problem was detected, but the report
reached me in a round-about fashion - delaying getting the report
to Tom Jennings. If you find a problem with FIDO, please send it
direct to either 1/98 or 1/99 - do not send it to 1/0 or any of
the help nodes - this just delays the process of getting the
reports to the correct source.
Problem: You can attach FILES.BBS as a netfile and it overwrites
the present FILES.BBS; Tom's response:
File attach of FILES.BBS: yes, that does happen. I don't consider
it a bug, per se. File attach is sysop only, for tons of
reasons, such as accountability, legal file limit checks, etc
etc. This is one of those; the whole philosophy of Fido's design
is that the sysop has complete power, and only users are limited
in what they can do. Moral: with power comes responsibility.
Problem: File Transfer name was described incorrectly, mixup with
MODEM7 and BATCH; Tom's response:
FILEXFER.HLP: yes, that's an oversight, I had not thought of
that. I would suggest the easiest solution is for sysop's to
edit. I'll change my distribution copy here also.
Problem: Problem with specific modems; Tom's response:
My position on modems is: if its not specifically listed in the
manual as supported, problems with it are not my responsibility.
This is a classic example why. Supposed "Hayes compatible" modems
aren't , I warned against this heavily in the manual. It is
unfortunate, but I can't do anything about it. Obviously it is
returning a funny result code. I bet there is a simple work
around, maybe an ATXn command, to eliminate the funny result
code. Put them into the usual FIDOMDM.BBS. The Hayes 1200 returns
only 1 CONNECT, 2 RING, 3 NO CARRIER or 5 CONNECT 1200. Others
return BUSY, VOICE, etc, so this modem is returning non- standard
result codes, and hence is NOT Hayes compatible. I will repeat
my standard blab, which you can pass on: "AT commands do not make
a Hayes compatible modem."
Problem: The scheduler is not starting up at event #1 and
scanning the list down; Tom's response:
Fidonews Page 11 12 May 1986
I'm not sure what is happening with the event stuff. It was my
understanding as well that it should find the first runable one
in the list, ie. the lowest numbered event. Unless there is some
bug, it's probably operator error. Make sure the event is not 0
length, etc. OH YES, there is a bug .... it has to do with
midnight. Events over the midnights edge (00 o'clock) aren't
noticed until after midnights. i.e. a user calling in at 11 pm
wont be notified of an event running at 12:01 am. The scheduler
will have the same limitation. Ahh ... the control flow used to
select the next runable event is NOT straightforward ... it is
extremely complex, and even worse, undocumented. It makes sense
most of the time, and was chosen (ie. it grew) to cover 99.99% of
all cases, and except for the midnight bug, works well. With a
few exceptions. My advice: fiddle it until it works. I hate to
say! The scheduler has some subtle problems to get around, such
as the aforementioned overlapping events, and tries to do things
in the order a person would do them, not necessarily in the order
you think a dumb machine would do them in. Oh well, if its not
one thing its another ...
Problem: Kermit Transfer continued:
KERMIT BUG: If 8 bit quoting is enabled, and exactly two
successive 7e hexes are found in the data, uploading to Fido will
treat them as a repeat count prefix and wreck the data. There is
a fixup file by a sysop or user called FIDOKFIX, but I have
repaired the code and the next revision will have it working
correctly.
I have just read what Frank wrote about the Dataflex Modem, and
being the one who jumped on a plane to London to pick up the
modem, I feel I have to share some of my experience with the
modem with you.
The Dataflex Modem is everything that it claims to be, and when
it says that it is totally Hayes compatible, then it is true.
But there is one BIG bug and that bug means that the modem is
useless outside UK.
The reason is that when someone calls my Fido and then hangs up
the phone before they are logged in to the Fido or if they log
off before my modem has disconnected them, then the modem takes
hold of the dial tone and believes that the tone is a carrier.
It can then hang on the dial tone for years. Perhaps it is not
correct to call it a bug, it is rather an error because of the
difference in British telephone system and the one we have in
Norway and most other places in Europe.
In UK you can pick up the phone and if you don't start dialing
within 30 seconds the dialing tone will disappear and telephone
will be dead. And then the problem is over for the English. The
modem will disconnect and everything is ok. But in Norway and
Holland, if you don't start dialing after 30 or 40 seconds then
you will have the occupied tone from the phone and Dataflex takes
that one for a carrier as well. And then there is only one thing
to do: switch the computer off and then on again. And if it is a
lucky day then you have to repeat this operation ten or twenty
times.
I have talked with Bob Manekshaw about this problem and he is
working on it. I hope to hear from him soon. But until this
thing has been fixed I think you should wait if you are thinking
about buying a Dataflex modem.
Conclusion: As soon as the above mentioned problem is solved I
will strongly advise you to order a Dataflex modem. It is well
designed and the documentation is good. And I wouldn't be
surprised if Dataflex would come with a 1200 2400 FD modem before
next summer. If not, I guess I have to buy a ticket to USA and
get a US Robotic.
* I'm afraid many of us in the UK have the same problem, me
included. I too have to reset the modem when this problem
occurs. When I spoke to British Telecom about this problem
they suggested that I have my lines changed to ones that cannot
make outgoing calls......
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Fidonews Page 13 12 May 1986
I'm very interested in ECHOMAIL networking. I know this is a can
of worms, since some (many?) think ECHOMAIL may (will?) ruin
FidoNet. Well I'm open minded and think it just might work out.
Now to finally get to the point. I've been on a few different
FIDOs across the country and have discovered that the use of
ECHOMAIL is much more widespread then I originally thought! I've
seen several interesting topics being networked, but would have
never known about them. Since there is nobody (as far as I know)
acting as an ECHOMAIL coordinator I'd like to volunteer. I'd
like to do two things. 1 Find out which Sysops are running
ECHOMAIL and for what topic. 2 Create a wishlist registry. This
way if a Sysop wants to network an ECHOMAIL topic or generate
interest in a new ECHOMAIL topic there will be a clearing house
for such an activity!
I ask everybody that is reading this to please send me FidoNet
mail if you:
1 Are a sysop running ECHOMAIL (what topic & routing),
2 know of a system running ECHOMAIL (what net/node & topic),
3 wish there was somebody else that shared a common interest
(what topic).
Thank you very much, Thomas Kenny, Metatek FIDO, 107/316.
=================================================================
FOR SALE
=================================================================
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These games have been written in standard TURBO-PASCAL and
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P.O. Box 3827
Cherry Hill, NJ 08034
For every order placed, a donation will be made to the Fido
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be sent to the coordinators. When you place an order, BE
CERTAIN TO MENTION WHERE YOU SAW THE AD since it also
appears in PC Magazine and Digital Review.
Questions and comments can be sent to:
Brian Sietz at Fido 107/17
(609) 429-6630 300/1200/2400 baud
Public Domain collection - 300+ "ARC" archives - 10 megs of
software and other goodies, and that's "archived" size! When
unpacked, you get approximately 17 megabytes worth of all kinds
of software, from text editors to games to unprotection schemes
to communications programs, compilers, interpreters, etc...
This collection is the result of more than 10 months of intensive
downloads from just about 100 or more BBS's and other sources,
all of which have been examined, indexed and archived for your
convenience. Starting a Bulletin Board System? Want to add on
to your software base without spending thousands of dollars? This
is the answer!!!
To order the library, send $100 (personal or company check,
postal money order or company purchase order) to:
Micro Consulting Associates, Fido 103/511
Post Office Box 4296
200-1/2 E. Balboa Boulevard
Balboa, Ca. 92661-4296
Please allow 3 weeks for delivery of your order.
Note: No profit is made from the sale of the Public Domain
software in this collection. The price is applied entirely to
the cost of downloading the software over the phone lines,
running a BBS to receive file submissions, and inspecting,
cataloguing, archiving and maintaining the files. Obtaining this
software yourself through the use of a computer with a modem
using commercial phone access would cost you much more than what
we charge for the service...
Please specify what type of format you would like the disks to be
prepared on. The following choices are available:
IBM PC-DOS Backup utility
Zenith MS-DOS 2.11 Backup Utility
DSBackup
Fastback
Plain ol' files (add $50, though, it's a lot of
work and takes more diskettes...)
Add $30 if you want the library on 1.2 meg AT disks (more
expensive disks). There are no shipping or handling charges.
California residents add 6% tax.
For each sale, $10 will go to the FidoNet Administrators.
SEAdog Electronic Mail System
Special Offer for FidoNet Sysops
System Enhancement Associates, the makers of the popular ARC file
archive utility, are proud to announce the release of the SEAdog
electronic mail system.
SEAdog is a PC-based electronic mail system which is fully
FidoNet compatible. In addition to all the functionality of
FidoNet mail, SEAdog adds the following:
o User directory support, for automatic lookup of node numbers
o Return receipts
o Audit trails
o Message forwarding, with or without a retained copy
o Twenty four hour mail reception
o High priority mail for immediate delivery
o The ability to request files and updates of files from other
SEAdog systems.
o No route files needed!
o A full screen user interface that our beta test sites fell in
love with!
SEAdog is NOT a bulletin board system, but it can be used as a
"front end" for Fido (version 11q or later), allowing you to add
the full functionality of SEAdog to your existing system.
SEAdog normally sells for $100/node, but for a limited time only
we are offering SEAdog to registered FidoNet sysops for only $50!
Orders may be placed by sending a check or money order to:
System Enhancement Associates
21 New Street, Wayne NJ 07470
Or by calling (201) 473-5153 (VISA and MasterCard accepted).
There is a program called ARC513.COM floating around, which many
well meaning users are uploading to a number of boards. This is
NOT an authorized release of ARC! The latest version of ARC is
still version 5.12. ARC513.COM appears to be a hacked version of
5.12, and has been reported to trash the boot sector of the
current drive.
If this file is on your board, please delete it. If you see this
file on any board, please advise the sysop of its true nature.
As an answer to the difficulties of playing Avalon Hills premier
board game, Diplomacy, either over a table or by US Mail, a Fido
board dedicated to the game is now in operation.
- THE DIPLOMAT -
Fido 124/109
(214) 242-9399
2400 baud
In the interests of learning from others, we are soliciting any
information on previous games played by electronic mail. Items
of particular interest are:
- Where was the game (City, board, network)?
- Who played?
- Who judged the game? (a program?)
- What kind of time table did was used?
- What did you like most (and least) about the game?
If you have any information at all, or if you would like to apply
to play in the first game (tentative start 5/21/86), please send
FidoMail to BRYNY at Net 124/109.
Metro-Fire Fido, 135/14, will be celebrating its First Birthday
with a Birthday Bash Picnic Extravaganza and Floppy Throwing
Contest. This momentous event will take place on Sunday, 18 May
1986, at the East Everglades estate of Liz Pittenger from 1100-
1900. All users of Metro-Fire Fido and their families and guests
are invited to attend. A further invitation is extended to all
FidoNews readers wherever you may be. If you are going to be in
Miami, Florida on the 18th of May, come on over and have a Hot
Fido (dog) and a Classic Coke. Details are on the BBS. Call 305-
596-8611 for Fido or 305-596-8576 for me.
Due to several occurrences of violation of privileges here on the
West Coast it has become necessary to request the following help
from our fellow SYSOPS. On several occasions my name and the
name of Glenn Bowes have been used in attempts to break in to
other systems or used as the logging in names to leave obscene
files or messages on other boards.
In an attempt to protect us all we make the following request.
Please remove the following two occurrences of users from any and
all boards on which it occurs:
NAME Password City
Mike Hamilton MIKE Garden Grove,CA or
Fidonews Page 20 12 May 1986
Anaheim,CA
Glenn Bowes DELTA Torrance,CA or
Anaheim,CA
If you feel this is too drastic a measure for your board then
please advise us individually where we are logged in by net mail
direct to our boards. Mine is 103/501. Glenn's is 102/104.
I apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused but we can
put the blame directly on other sysops for making this necessary.
