Volume 2, Number 41                         25 November 1985
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         Editor in Chief:                              Thom Henderson
         Review Editor:                                  Allen Miller
         Chief Procrastinator Emeritus:                  Tom Jennings

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                              Table of Contents


         1. EDITORIAL
            Freeware, Again
         2. NEWS
            GTE TELENET (PC Pursuit), LDX, SPRINT, MCI, AT&T My Views
            More PC-PURSUIT
            Beyond War Fido Returns--Distributes World-Wide Petition
            PC Pursuit for the Uninitiated
            Reach Out and Play!
            New version of SHUFFLE available
         3. COLUMNS
            FidoNet Route Files Explained, Part 4
         4. WANTED
            Fido's Wanted- Earn Money!
            Need DEC Rainbow accessories
         5. NOTICES
            New version of ARC released
            The Interrupt Stack










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                                  EDITORIAL
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                                Freeware, Again

         Yes, I'm beating the drum for freeware, yet again.

         Do you have any idea what it takes to bring a product to the
         market?  Never mind the "expensive cost of copy protection".
         That just adds to the software development.  Reproducing  it
         is very cheap.

         Far and away,  the major cost of marketing anything  is  the
         so-called  "marketing  costs".  It costs,  roughly speaking,
         about a metric ton  of  dollars  to  get  anything  on  your
         dealers' shelves and suitably advertised so that anyone will
         buy it.

         Put yourself in the store owner's shoes for a moment.  Shelf
         space is money.  Why waste that on  a  product  which  won't
         sell?  This  is  why  your  local  store  has such a limited
         selection -- he's only going to carry things  which  have  a
         good chance of being sold with the machine.  This is why the
         software market peaks and slumps with the hardware market.

         In  addition,  most  distributors  don't want to waste their
         time with a  product  which  doesn't  have  a  proven  track
         record.  Why  should they?  It costs money to stock an item;
         why spend that money on an item which isn't a proven seller?

         So how does a new author enter the  market?  If  nobody  has
         ever  heard  of you,  then you obviously don't have a proven
         track record,  and why should anyone gamble their  money  on
         you?

         One  alternative  is to start by advertising and go for mail
         or phone order sales first.  Then you can prove your product
         before asking people to gamble on it.  But that costs money.
         Call up any trade journal and ask; advertising is EXPENSIVE!

         Another approach is freeware.  Anybody  at  all  can  market
         anything  at all as freeware.  No initial capital investment
         is required.  Just put a freeware license in the code  (copy
         it from almost anywhere) and you're off!

         This  allows  truly  cheap  software.  The bulk of the costs
         (the marketing costs) are  totally  bypassed.  In  addition,
         anyone can do it.  As a final plus (as if we needed it), the
         end  user  gets to try out the software in actual pratice to
         make sure that it really is what he needs and wants for  his
         own  particular  application.  If  everything really worked,
         then everyone would benefit.

         There's just  one  small  fly  in  the  ointment.  The  best
         estimates we've ever heard place freeware license compliance
         at   about   ten  percent.   Our  own  somewhat  pessimistic
         estimates put it down somewhere less than one percent.


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         We had a user on our bulletin board who, in all seriousness,
         was  asking  for  a  definition  of  freeware,  specifically
         wondering  if his company (a major New York bank) should pay
         for it.  We told him thjat his company  could  not  credibly
         plead  poverty,  so  he  must.  But why was he asking in the
         first place?  This to me indicates  a  regrettable  lack  of
         understanding about what is really going on here.

         I see freeware licensing as  a  tacit  admission  that  copy
         protection  can't  really  be  enforced,   coupled  with  an
         ingenious  marketing  idea  that   woould   really   benefit
         everyone.  But  only  if  everyone is truly capable of being
         trusted to the extent that  freeware  authors  are  trusting
         their  users.  Let's  face  it,  if  you  are  still using a
         freeware package after  two  weeks,  then  it  is  obviously
         useful to you, and you should pay the fee.

         Are you are freeware pirate?

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                                     NEWS
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         J Hobbs
         Fido 104/56

         After reading an article by Paula Giese ( Nov 4, 1985 )
         which part of it discussed how GTE is selling Sysop's
         services, I thought I would give another opinion.

         First of all, I'm not a Sysop so my views may differ from
         those of you who are Sysops.  However I am a user of a lot
         of BBS's, most of them being various Fidos, both local and
         not so local.  I own a DEC Rainbow and unfortunately there
         are no local DEC Fidos.  I have to utilize a long distance
         carrier to get to a DEC Fido to obtain customized utilities
         that are created specifically for the DEC machines.
         (Perhaps you noticed the generic use of 'long distance
         carrier')

         If a Sysop runs a PUBLIC, SEMI-PUBLIC, or PRIVATE Fido (or
         other BBS) that I have access to, and I must use someone's
         service to access that bulletin board, why cannot the
         choice be the cheapest one.  Why should it matter to the
         Sysop if I use MCI, SPRINT, LDX, AT&T or GTE.  These are
         all large corporations that make big bucks, so why punish me
         (a single person, the PUBLIC who you are using Fido to
         service) to have to spend more money out of my pocket to
         gain access to a remote BBS. Currently I have not decided
         whether or not I am going to use another service other than
         AT&T because I have heard about problems with noise and bad
         lines.

         Granted the local users may call more often and have more to
         offer in the sence of uploads (since they are not paying $$$
         by the minute) but is not the purpose of BBS's to allow the
         FREE (or relatively free) exchange of ideas, comments and
         solution of problems? (A few games and other utilities are
         nice too!)   The few long distance callers a BBS may have
         probably don't last that long (because of the $$$) or occur
         that often.  But as in my case are necessary, utilities like
         SEDT (a very good full screen editor), AME86 (allows CPM
         .CMD programs to run under DOS), KERMIT, PACMAN and other
         games for my Rainbow are not available locally.

         I guess what it boils down to is this, if you are a Sysop
         and decide to run a PUBLIC Fido, and you voluntarily list
         your phone number for others to use, WE the PUBLIC (whether
         we live 5 or 5000 miles away) should have the right to use
         any long distance carrier WE desire to reach out and compute
         with someone.


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         I have trouble understanding Paula Giese's reaction to
         Pc-Pursuit. I think it represents a great opportunity for
         most sysops. Here's why: It allows long distance users to
         join in the message sections (probably for the first time)

             All the sysops I know hate "board rapers". You know,the
         guy who logs on time after time and goes straight to the
         downloads without reading your new editorial or even
         scanning the message section. Face it, Most long distance
         callers can't afford the luxury of scanning and entering
         messages...it's just too costly..so by and large most long
         distance callers are in search of downloads.

            Enter PC-PURSUIT. For a measly $25 you can call any board
         in the 12 cities currently offering the service for up to an
         hour at a time. Now at last it's practical for long distance
         users to become active in the message sections and really
         start contributing.

           On Fido 123/4 we try to emphasize the message areas. Sure
         we have downloads, 12 file areas in fact but what makes the
         board thrive is the discussion and debates held in several
         of our message sections.

           Currently we are not in a city where PC-PURSUIT is
         available but I look forward to the day when we get it. I
         expect to pick up quite a few valuable users.

         Charles Grisamore
         Subsysop IBM Section
         Grape-Vine
         123/4



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         Andy Kanter, Sysop Beyond War/IPPNW BBS
         Fido 101/301

                         Beyond War Fido Returns

         For  those of you familiar with the Beyond War BBS (OLD FIDO
         301),  you will be happy to know that it is back on-line  in
         Cambridge,  Massachusetts.   It  is  now called  the  Beyond
         War/IPPNW  BBS (FIDO 101/301),  and now includes information
         relating to the 1985 Nobel Peace Prize winning International
         Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War.   Operating 22
         hours  a  day (except 0400-0600 EST for  mail),  it  accepts
         300/1200,  8/N/1.   Offering  more information and  programs
         than ever before.   This is the computer to call if you  are
         interested in peace and the prevention of nuclear war.  Give
         us a call:

                 ( 6 1 7 )  8 7 6  -  0 4 2 2

         NEWSFLASH!!!   NEWSFLASH!!!   NEWSFLASH!!!   NEWSFLASH!!!

         Important!!!   On  December 14,  1985,  the 1985 Beyond  War
         Award  will  be  presented to the six signers  of  the  Five
         Continent   Peace  Initiative  via  a  7-way,   5-continent,
         satellite broadcast.   This is the first time such a  space-
         bridge  has connected five continents in the history of  the
         planet.   At  the  ceremony,  a petition in support  of  the
         Initiative  will  be  presented with (hopefully)  1  million
         signatures from people around the world.

         If  you would be interested in signing the  below  petition,
         send  me  a  fidonet message to SYSOP of FIDO  101/301  (the
         Beyond  War/IPPNW BBS) and I will include your name  on  the
         petition.   IF YOU ARE SO MOTIVATED... please take the below
         petition,  copy  it,  and  have  as many people sign  it  as
         possible.   Then  mail  them back  to:   Andy  Kanter,  1580
         Massachusetts Ave.  Apt.  8A,  Cambridge,  MA  02138! Before
         December 7, 1985.

         If  you would like more information about  the  presentation
         (it  can  be  viewed  at 140+ locations  around  the  globe,
         including the U.N.),  or more info about Beyond War, you can
         also  send a message to FIDO 101/301 or call Andy  at  (617)
         876-0931,  or the Beyond War Office at (415) 328-7756.  This
         is of the utmost importance and EVERY SIGNATURE COUNTS!!!

         Please sign!!!

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                         A CALL TO END THE THREAT OF WAR
                     Six World Leaders have spoken, issuing
         The Delhi Declaration of the Five Continent Peace Initiative
                      on January 28, 1985, saying in part:

         "Forty years ago,  when atomic bombs were blasted over Hiro-
         shima  and  Nagasaki,  the human race became aware  that  it
         could destroy itself...



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         "We  find  ourselves in this situation because  the  nuclear
         weapons  states have applied traditional doctrines of a  war
         in a world where new weapons have made them obsolete.   What
         is the point of nuclear 'superiority' or 'balance' when each
         side  has  enough weapons to devastate the earth  dozens  of
         times over?  If the old doctrines are applied in the future,
         the  holocaust  will be inescapable sooner  or  later.   But
         nuclear  war can be prevented if our voices are joined in  a
         universal demand in defense of our right to live.

         "It is imperative to find a remedy to the existing situation
         where hundreds of billions of dollars,  amounting to approx-
         imately one and a half million per minute, are spent annual-
         ly  on  weapons.   This stands in dramatic contrast  to  the
         poverty,  and  in some cases misery,  in which two-thirds of
         the world population lives.

         "We urge the people,  parliaments and governments the  world
         over  to lend forceful support to this appeal...  Only  then
         will  governments  summon  the necessary political  will  to
         overcome the many obstacles which lie in the path of peace.

         "For centuries,  men and women have fought for their  rights
         and freedoms.  We now face the greatest struggle of all--for
         the right to live, for ourselves and for future generations.
                               Signed by:

         H.E. Mr. Raul Alfonsin          H.E. Mr. Olof Palme
          Pres. of Argentina              P.M. of Sweden
         H.E. Mr. Miguel de la           H.E. Mr. Rajiv Gandhi
          Madrid Pres. of Mexico          P.M. of India
         H.E. Mr. Julius Nyerere         H.E. Mr. Andreas Papandreou
          Pres. of Rep. of Tanzania       P.M. of Greece

                         STATEMENT OF PERSONAL RESPONSE
         I  support  the above principles as expressed in  the  Delhi
         Declaration and join the voices calling upon the parliaments
         the world over to end the threat of war.

                   ___________________________________________
                   Name                    State    Country
                   ___________________________________________
                   Name                    State    Country
                   ___________________________________________
                   Name                    State    Country
         Return by 12/1/85 to: A. Kanter, 1580 Mass. Ave. #8A,
          Cambridge, MA 02140
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         5 to: A. Kanter, 1580 Mass. Ave. #8A,
          Cambridge, MA 02140
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         Chuck Lawson
         Sysop Fido 124/12
         The Inside Track Edition

                       PC Pursuit for the Uninitiated

         With all of the articles in  FidoNews lately,  there appears
         to be some misunderstanding of what PC Pursuit is and  does.

         As an active user of  PC Pursuit,  I'd  like  to  take  this
         opportunity to explain a little bit about what PC Pursuit is
         and  what it means to sysops and users  alike.  The issue of
         GTE's  compensation  to  Tom Jennings  has  been  adequately
         discussed in (many) other articles,  so I won't  discuss  it
         here.

         PC Pursuit allows  "Free"  access  to 300 and 1200 baud data
         numbers  from and  to many  numbers in  12 citys in the  US.
         If  you don't live within the local  calling area of one  of
         these citys,  PC Pursuit  cannot  benefit  you (nor  can  it
         exploit you).

         If  you  do live within a local call of one of these cities,
         PC Pursuit presents an excellent opportunity for you to take
         advantage of  low-cost  calling to the other areas supported
         by the service,  and  if  you  are a  sysop  (of any kind of
         board), will provide  you  with many new users from all over
         the country.

         If you are a Fido sysop in an enterprising network in one of
         these areas,  you  might find an even greater benefit:  free
         mail  to and from  other  networks in  PC Pursuit  supported
         areas.

         To use PC Pursuit to place calls,  you  need to subscribe to
         the service. The cost (as of this writing) is $25 per month,
         and  a one time $25 installation fee.  This  entitles you to
         place   calls  through  the  service   during  evenings  and
         weekends. The only limit is 60 minutes per call, but you can
         place as many 60 minute calls as you like,  even if they are
         all to the same number.

         Once set up, to use the service you simply call the local PC
         Pursuit  phone  number,  and give it your phone number,  the
         name of the city that you wish to call,  and  the number you
         wish to call. PC Pursuit will then disconnect.

         You must set your modem/comm package to autoanswer, and from
         one  to  five  minutes after you place the call,  PC Pursuit
         will  call YOU,  and  attempt  to  place  your  call.  After
         thrashing  around  with the  internals  of Telenet for a few
         minutes,  PC Pursuit will call the requested number.  If the
         number doesn't answer,  it will disconnect after two  tries.
         If the number is busy,  Pursuit will retry for approximately
         10 minutes.  Otherwise,  if  it  can  make a connection,  it
         announces that you are connected, and you are on your own.

         As  a  sysop,  to  get callers via PC Pursuit,  you  need do


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         nothing.  In  fact,  they  will  come  to  you  whether  you
         encourage  them   or  not.      A   PC  Pursuit  caller   is
         indistiguishable  from  any other caller. If you do not care
         for long distance users,  or wish to keep the board open for
         your regulars during evening hours,  you  can  simply follow
         Tom Jennings' example,  and  not allow new callers during PC
         Pursuit hours.

         In  order  to get free fidomail via PC Pursuit,  you need to
         either be willing to do the work involved in  setting up the
         facilities, or have someone else in your net do the work and
         provide it to the rest.  In our net,  net 124,  we have been
         lucky enough to have someone who has been willing to do  the
         work  and  share it with the rest of us.  The same thing has
         happened in San Francisco Bay Net, Net 125, and I'm sure has
         happened or will happen in other places.  The details of how
         this is done will vary from net to net, but in our net it is
         completely  transparent  to those not directly participating
         in the project.  We simply set the price to $00.00, and send
         the mail.  Once  it  is routed to the host,  it is re-routed
         through the "Pursuit Net" and is gone.

         Using PC Pursuit  is  not without it's irritations.  Telenet
         causes delays in the line,  and sometimes the echo back from
         the board at the other end will fall behind your typing, but
         the  effect is not as  pronounced as I  have  seen  on  some
         boards which are multitasked.

         Having to use the "place a call - get a call back" system is
         frustrating as well, but this is a blessing to users who pay
         metered charges for local calls - you only have to pay for a
         one  minute  local call.  Inventive  use of script files and
         command files in  CrossTalk and  ProComm 2.0 make short work
         of the details involved in placing calls through PC Pursuit.

         Other  irritations are relatively minor.  PC Pursuit  places
         the  call  back at the same speed  and  parity that you used
         calling  in.  This  wouldn't  be a  problem,  except that PC
         Pursuit wants  7 bit even parity for your  call in,  and  we
         know how well protocals like XMODEM like that. To get around
         this,  one  can  simply call at 8/N/1  and  PC  Pursuit will
         synchonize after your first few lines of input.  After using
         it a few times,  you  know what the prompts are anyway,  and
         it's relatively easy to live with garbaged prompts.

         Shortcomings  to the service at this point include a lack of
         2400 baud service,  and limited access  to  area codes other
         than the primary area code in many cities. GTE has indicated
         that it will address both of these problems around the first
         of the year.

         That, in a nutshell, is what PC Pursuit is all about. It has
         it's problems,  but  it  is as much bang for your  telephone
         buck that is available at the moment.  I  easily spent three
         to four times  the  monthly fee placing calls through Sprint
         or MCI before I started using PC Pursuit.

         Disclaimer: I have  no  association  with  GTE  except  as a


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         satisfied customer of PC Pusuit, and a sometimes disgruntled
         customer of it's local phone service.

         Chuck Lawson, Sysop Fido 124/12

         The Inside Track Edition (214) 422-4772
           Dallas's News Fido
           300/1200/2400, 24 hrs, 7 days a week
           Full access to first time callers, with questionaire.
           Real Names Only, Please.
           Accessible Via PC Pursuit / Dallas.
           Long distance callers welcome!
           (yes, this is a plug!)

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         From:    David Drexler/Mark Grennan, sysops REMARK 19/202
         Subject: R.O.A.P.: Reach Out And Play
         Date:    20 NOV 85

         Are there any Go players in the crowd?  Have you ever  tried
         to play a game by mail?  It's pretty hard to keep your moti-
         vation  up,  since there may be many hundreds of moves in  a
         typical  game,  and even if the turnaround is only 24 hours,
         that works out to be a VERY long time...

         I  had  an  idea awhile back for  playing  long-distance  Go
         without  overly  enriching Mother Bell in  the  process.  It
         involved a couple of pc's & modems at each end (of  course),
         and two cooperative amateur radio operators in the middle.

         The pc's would run a specialized communications program that
         could also plot the board graphically on screen and printer,
         verify the moves,  store them, take them off the board, etc.
         Multiple  games could be conducted at the same time by  pre-
         fixing each move transmitted with an identifying header.  It
         seemed possible to hold remote tournaments that way.

         It never got off the ground.  Turned out to be more  trouble
         to  coordinate  all the events and people than I thought  it
         would be,  the program never got finished,  and everybody in
         my Go club lost interest.  The whole project was pushed into
         background  and  forgotten  -- until  last  night,  when  it
         occured to me that there was a much better alternative to Ma
         Bell than ham radio: Compuserve.

         Using "chat" mode, we could do everything that we were going
         to do with the hams,  do it anytime we wanted to,  and still
         for  minimal cost.  At 300 baud,  during the  "cheap"  time,
         it'll  cost only $6 per hour,  and two hours would be plenty
         enough  time to play a couple games.  With three players  at
         each end splitting the charge, it comes out to just a couple
         bucks apiece.

         But why stop at Go?  Why not Pente,  Chess,  Othello, or any
         other board game? All that's needed at each end is a program
         that  can  display the board and verify the  moves.  A  real
         smart program could handle several of those games.

         Comments, anyone?

         For the chess players out there who want to play by the more
         conventional move-at-a-time by mail,  feel free to drop us a
         line here. We promise to give you a strong game.

                          REMARK Information System
                         (405) 728-2463 - Fido 19/202
                      The board for serious computerists

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         From Robert Lederman
              Met-Chem Fido 16/42


                       NEW VERSION OF SHUFFLE
                       ===-=======-==-=======

         Thanks to everyone for the overwhelming response I
         received to SHUFFLE.   I have just released a significant
         upgrade.

         SHUFFLE is a Fido sysop utility for maintaining download
         file areas.   Files and corresponding FILES.BBS entries can
         be redirected among directories.

         Version 2.0 supports full-screen operation and a host of new
         features.  FILES.BBS entries can be redirected to specific
         points in the destination FILES.BBS.  File dates can be
         changed and can be automatically added to FILES.BBS.
         Remote full screen sessions are supported under PibTerm,
         ProComm, Mintel, and FANSI-console.   A generic MS-DOS
         version is now under test.

         You can get the current version of SHUFFLE by calling
         Met-Chem BBS, Fido 16/42, at 203/281-7287.

         Thanks,
         Robert
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                        FidoNet Route Files Explained
                       Part 4 -- LISTGEN and ROUTE.CTL

                          by Ben Baker, Fido 100/76


              LISTGEN  Version  2  will  automatically generate route
         files for you if you desire.  The advantage is that  LISTGEN
         is driven by a control file, ROUTE.CTL, in which you specify
         the statements necessary with symbolic parameters  that  you
         define  in  terms  of  nets,  area  codes, etc..  A properly
         designed ROUTE.CTL need only change when your routing  needs
         change.  LISTGEN will continue to create correct route files
         week after week as the nodelist changes.

              Before I begin, I'd like to do a quick  review  of  the
         route file commands and their effect.

         SCHEDULE <tag> <list> or
         SEND-TO <list>               Determines which nodes may have
                                      packets build to SEND mail to.
         ROUTE-TO <target> <list>     Directs that messages  to  par-
                                      ticular  addressees  be SENT in
                                      packets to another node.
         ACCEPT-FROM <list>           Specifies  which   oritinators'
                                      messages may be SENT.
         RECV-ONLY                    States that packets may only be
                                      SENT by being picked up.
         HOLD <list>                  States that  packets  to  part-
                                      icular  nodes  may only be SENT
                                      by being picked up.
         PICK-UP <list>               States that it is OK to receive
                                      mail from particular nodes when
                                      we originate calls to SEND them
                                      packets.
         POLL <list>                  Directs that packets (empty  if
                                      necessary)   be  generated  and
                                      SENT  to  particular  nodes  in
                                      order to pick up mail.
         SEND-ONLY                    States  that  calls may be made
                                      rapid-fire  to  SEND  as   many
                                      packets as possible.

              Note that each definition above includes the verb  SEND
         or  SENT.   I  did that deliberately to emphasize that these
         commands all control some aspect of sending mail.

              LISTGEN has been adaquately documented  and  I  do  not
         intend  to re-document it here, but I would like to show you
         how ROUTE.CTL  commands  map  to  the  ROUTE.<tag>  commands
         covered above.

         SCHEDULE <tag> <target list>



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              When  LISTGEN  encounters  this command in ROUTE.CTL it
         does two things.  First it closes any route file it  may  be
         working  on  and  creates a new ROUTE.<tag> file for the new
         <tag>.  Then it generates  a  SCHEDULE  statement  from  the
         specifications   in   this  one  for  the  new  ROUTE.<tag>,
         expanding any symbolic parameters to lists of nodes from the
         nodelist.  In other words, it begins a new route file as you
         would expect it to by defining the <target list>.

         FROM <accept list>

              This phrase, when encountered, generates an ACCEPT-FROM
         statement.

         TO <addressee list> [ VIA <target> ]

              If  the VIA clause is present, this statement generates
         a  "ROUTE-TO  <target>  <addressee  list>."  Successive   TO
         phrases  without  VIA  clauses  accumulate  to make a larger
         <addressee list> until a VIA  clause  IS  found.   Then  the
         entire  list  is  routed to the <target>.  (I'm not entirely
         happy with this "feature," but that's the way it works.)  If
         no  VIA  clause  is  ever  found, the TO phrase generates no
         output at all!  It  does  serve  as  documentation  in  your
         ROUTE.CTL file, saying "I expect to be sending mail TO these
         nodes in this schedule."

              All of the other route file  commands  discussed  above
         map  one-for-one  in  the  same  format  from  ROUTE.CTL  to
         ROUTE.<tag>.

              The big advantage in using LISTGEN is to be able to use
         simple  symbols  which  it will translate into long lists of
         nodes.  To illustrate, net 100 spans two area codes, 314  in
         Missouri  and  618  in  Illinois.  To minimize the number of
         toll calls placed accross the Mississippi, I serve as "Metro
         East"  hub  to concentrate the Illinois traffic.  I have the
         following statements (among others) in my ROUTE.CTL file:

         define Metro-East as Net-100 except Area-314 ; Area 618
         define Outbound as 100/10
         define World as all except Metro-East
           *  *  *
         FROM Metro-East TO World VIA Outbound

              Nodes may come and go, both in our net and  across  the
         country,  and  these  statements  need  not change.  LISTGEN
         interprets them week after week and builds the  right  route
         files  every  time.   And in several months, if our outbound
         host should change making it necessary to change  ROUTE.CTL,
         I  can  look  at this and not have to say to myself "What on
         earth was I trying to do here?" It's all pretty obvious.

              Before I wrap it up, there are two important exceptions
         to  the things I have said.  First, schedule A is special in
         that the <target list> always is  the  entire  nodelist,  no
         matter  what  ROUTE.A  says.  For that reason, if you do any
         routing not defined by the node list, I recommend  that  you


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         DO  NOT  USE SCHEDULE A.  For all other schedules, Fido does
         exactly what ROUTE.<tag> tells it to do  and  nothing  more.
         And  second,  ROUTE.BBS is a special route file that affects
         all schedules for which there are no ROUTE.<tag> files.  For
         that  reason,  I recommend that you FORGET YOU EVER HEARD OF
         ROUTE.BBS.  It'll cause more problems than it'll ever solve!

              So,  routing  can  get  pretty complex (just ask 'em in
         Southern California), but it doesn't need to be  complicated
         once  you  know  what the objective of each schedule is from
         your point of view, and what your Fido needs to do  to  meet
         those objectives.

              In  fact, it's pretty easy if you just remember the two
         points I have been hammering at you since we began:

              1) Route files control the way you send  messages,  not
         the  way you receive them.  Every command we discussed above
         controls some aspect of sending messages.  And.  .  .

              2) A particular route file only  affects  the  schedule
         with  the  matching  <tag>.   What you say in ROUTE.B has no
         bearing whatever on  schedule  C.   Each  schedule  must  be
         separately spelled out.

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                                    WANTED
         ============================================================

         Steve Nyman
         Fido 107/22

                        NEED FIDO'S TO PRINT E-MAIL

         My company, Micro Information Services, needs Fido's from
         across the U.S. to receive our customer's e-mail, print it
         and mail it via U.S. Mail. We anticipate moderate mail
         volume, depending upon the region.

         NO COST TO YOU: All envelopes, paper, and postage will be
                         provided in advance.

                PROFITS: You will be paid for your services.

          IF INTERESTED: Direct inquiries via e-mail to Steve Nyman
                         on Fido 107/22.  Thanks.
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                        Need DEC Rainbow accessories.

         I have a DEC Rainbow 100 (old version) and would like to run
         Fido on it.  I also have a Microscience 10 MB Hard Disk.  Do
         any of you know of a controller that I could use with a
         ST506 hard disk?

         I also would like to run MS-DOS on the Rainbow.  Where is it
         available?

         Thanks in advance.  Please contact me at address below:

         Submitted by:  David Messer - SYSOP Fido 14/415
                                       UUCP:  ihnp4!quest!dave


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         ============================================================
                                   NOTICES
         ============================================================

                                      ARC
                                  Version 4.5

         We are pleased to announce the release of ARC  version  4.5.
         This   version  adds  compression  suppression  and  archive
         "freshening".  We've also changed our naming scheme  to  use
         .ARC  and  .$$$  instead of .BAK and .ARC,  which allows for
         more painless error recovery.  In case  of  an  error,  your
         original archive will be preserved with its original name.

         We  are  gratified  at the positive response you've shown to
         our little utility.  Thanks to you all for making ARC such a
         success.

             Thom Henderson and Andy Foray
             System Enhancement Associates
             Fido 107/7

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                              The Interrupt Stack


         27 Nov 1985
            Halley's Comet passes closest to Earth before perihelion.

          9 Dec 1985
            DECUS Anaheim.  The first session (Roadmap session) of
            the PC Special Interest Group will meet at 11:30 in the
            PC Campground (Bonita Tower, Santa Cruz room).  See you
            there...

         24 Jan 1986
            Voyager 2 passes Uranus.

          9 Feb 1986
            Halley's Comet reaches perihelion.

          9 Feb 1986
            Diana Overholt (109/74) has another birthday.

         11 Apr 1986
            Halley's Comet reaches perigee.

         19 May 1986
            Steve Lemke's next birthday.

         24 Aug 1989
            Voyager 2 passes Neptune.







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         If you have something which you would like to see on this
         calendar, please send a message to Fido 1/1.

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