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       Volume 2, Number 24                             29 July 1985
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       The contents of the articles  contained  here  are  not  our
       responsibility,  nor  do  we  necessarily  agree  with them;
       everything here is subject to debate.  We publish EVERYTHING
       received.





                             Fido in the News

       We seem to be getting alot of press these days, mostly bad.

       The latest story I've heard is about a bunch of kids in New
       Jersey who hacked away at a Pentagon computer.  They don't
       seem to have caused any harm, just made general nuisances of
       themselves, but the media had a field day.

       I saw a news broadcast on one of the New York stations where
       they interviewed a Pentagon official about it.  He firmly
       stated that there is no way any hacker can do any real harm
       (the reporter was concerned about kids getting control of
       satellites).  Having studied Naval Intelligence, I know he's
       right.  Government systems holding confidential data DO NOT
       have phone lines!  This is nothing new; confidential
       information is never transmitted by phone.

       Once the reporter established that these kids were basically
       harmless, she went on to cover some "background" about home
       computers, modems, phone lines, and so forth.  This mainly
       consisted of a short piece on remote bulletin board systems.








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       In fact, they actually demonstrated a person logging onto a
       bulletin board.  And, here's the cute part, the Fido doggie
       was plain as day.  Now, maybe I'm biased, but it strikes me
       that Fidonet is the cleanest collection of boards in the
       country.

       She wrapped up her whole piece by stating that while she
       didn't see anything illegal or immoral on the system she was
       looking at, that didn't mean it wasn't there, since there
       are different levels of access and not everyone sees
       everything.

       Nice, eh?  She didn't say anything that wasn't true, but the
       way she said it implies secret cabals of subversive
       criminals, conspiring to overthrow The American Way Of Life.

       Face it, kiddos.  The powers that be don't like us.  Here we
       are, with unprecidented powers of communication, and nobody
       really knows what we can or will do with it.  We have
       nothing less than our own private electronic mail system.  I
       can sit here in my own little room and contact thousands of
       (more or less) like-minded people all over the country.  You
       may not beleive it, but this translates into tremendous
       political power.

       It reminds me of something I was once told about military
       tactics.  It matters not what they are doing, nor what we
       think they will do, but only what they CAN do if they want
       to.  We are seem as being able to do a great deal, possibly
       much more than we are actually able to do.  And we don't fit
       any of the established categories.  Just look at where we
       are:

       o   A guy sits in his room and types a message.  It isn't
           printed in a newspaper or published in a magazine, but
           the next day hundreds of people read it.  Within a few
           weeks thousands of people all over the country have read
           it.  All of the normal channels of news distribution
           have been totally bypassed, for a cost counted in
           pennies.

       o   A guy writes a program, and gives it away.  Friends pass
           it on to their friends, and soon it's in use all over
           the country.  People mail in voluntary donations.  The
           guy isn't a non-profit organization, or a major
           corporation, or even a reasonably normal small company,
           yet he's making money without contracts, without
           dealers, without even charging anyone for anything.

       o   A guy goes into business as a consultant.  His startup
           costs are minimal; less than the cost of a used car.  He
           has no office, no employees, no inventory, and no
           overhead, but he makes good money.

       Now I ask you, how possible was any of this ten years ago?
       We simply don't fit any of the established categories.  This
       is a new industry, and it's working in totally different







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       ways from anything that's ever come before.

       Which is not to say that nothing new has ever happened; it
       has many times.  But the normal reaction to new things is to
       try and shove them into old boxes, or to get rid of them if
       they won't fit.

       The independant consultant is being shoved into the old
       boxes.  A bill has been introduced in California that would
       make an independant consultant legally an employee of his
       client.  Federal legislation has been proposed to make a
       consultant's office in the home illegal, and to force
       consultants to hire only union employees.  Tax rulings that
       are unfavorable to the independant abound, as many of you
       well know.

       Bulletin boards won't fit into any established category,
       though some people are trying.  Classing a bulletin board as
       a "common carrier" is an attempt to define us in previously
       understood terms.  Other attempts are a good deal more
       harmfull, as they sound like an attempt to classify a sysop
       as an accessory before the fact, and bulletin boards as
       conspiracies to commit felonies.

       We need to act NOW, before it's too late!  We need to write
       our senators and representatives and tell them how we feel.
       We need to set up our own political action group to
       represent our interests.  We need to make our voices heard.

       You should also write to your local newspapers, television
       stations, and radio stations telling them that you are
       willing to provide background on any computer related
       stories they get.

       To ban bulletin boards because a few of them are used for
       hacking is on par with shutting down the phone company
       because criminals use phones.



























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                                 NEWS
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       BBSLAW01.MSG   From Chip Berlet, Public Eye Magazine.

                       HELP FIGHT BAD BBS LAWS - 01

          FEDERAL LEGISLATION RESTRICTING BBS OPERATION DUE SOON!

                POST THIS MESSAGE ON EVERY BBS IN AMERICA!



            A new federal law that would outlaw some BBS systems
       and severely restrict all others could be passed by Congress
       in 1985.  A mobilization of SYSOPS and BBS users is urgently
       needed to ensure we have a chance to speak out on the new
       law.

            Watch BBS's for messages with "BBSLAWXX.MSG" headers or
       "HELP FIGHT BAD BBS LAWS - XX" titles. An ad-hoc group will
       be posting these messages on BBS's and the commercial
       systems.

            LAWMUG SYSOP Paul Bernstein and I have learned the law
       could be introduced as soon as MID JULY!  Although aspects
       of the new law have been discussed for months by "experts"
       in Washington, NOT ONE SYSOP WAS CONSULTED until a June 20
       conference in Chicago which Paul and I attended.

            Vague language in another telecommunications law
       already introduced in Congress might also restrict BBS
       activities.

       We urged the Congressional aide involved in that legislation
       to exempt BBS systems until we could let SYSOPS and lawyers
       study the language more carefully.  We must also monitor
       this law.

            The law restricting BBS operations was prompted by
       panic over the possibility that children (minors) might read
       pornographic material, and by the wave of publicity
       regarding the malicious hackers and illegal credit card and
       phone information posted on BBS's by electronic graffiti
       vandals.

            Among the ideas SERIOUSLY DISCUSSED for the new federal
       law restricting BBS's are provisions which would require:

            * Registration of all BBS's as a public utility.

            * BBS users to log in with, and post their legal names.

            * SYSOPS to keep a log of all names of users.

            * SYSOPS to keep a log of all messages & access times.








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            * Criminal penalties for SYSOPS whose BBS's have
              illegal messages posted on them - even if the SYSOP
              was not aware of the message and had not been
              informed the message was there nor given a chance to
              remove it!

            While the law is currently only being discussed, there
       is much pressure to restrict and regulate BBS's.  A good BBS
       law could protect BBS's and SYSOPS.  A bad law could destroy
       BBS's in their infancy as a telecommunications phenomena.

            BBS's put the individual back into mass society in the
       age of telecommunications.  BBS's encourage information
       sharing and remove barriers to discussion posed by social
       status, wealth, class, race, sex, physical size, and many
       physical handicaps.  BBS's encourage the democratic process
       and are a powerful new communications system which deserves
       Constitutional protection and First Amendment Rights.

            NO LEGISLATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION!  There will be
       differing views of wording, law, and tactics; all should be
       given a chance to be heard.  Congress should delay passage
       of any BBS legislation until BBS users and SYSOPS have a
       chance to discuss the legal issues and make their opinions
       known in a series of Congressional hearings. Our discussion
       must start immediately and we must organize to block bad BBS
       legislation until our voices are heard.

            We share the responsibility.  Time is short.  Spread
       the word.  It is the electronic age.  We are all Paul
       Revere....

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            THE FOLLOWING IS A SAMPLE LETTER THAT IS TO BE COPIED AND
       ADDRESSED TO YOUR TWO SENATORS AND CONGRESSMAN.  IF YOU HAVE
       ANY INTEREST IN PRESERVING YOUR FREEDOM OF SPEECH, I STRONGLY
       RECOMMEND YOU SIGN AND MAIL OUT COPIES OF THIS LETTER.

            SPREAD IT AROUND TO ALL THE BBSES YOU CALL - ONLY A FLOOD
       OF LETTERS TO CAPITOL HILL WILL PROTECT US FROM REACTIONARY
       LAWS!

                                         Joseph P. Salemi


       _______________________________

       United States _________________

       Washington, DC

            As a user of a personal computer for telecommunications,
       and as a member of the new "electronic community," I wish to
       strongly protest the current proposals for laws regulating
       electronic Bulletin Board Systems.

            Recent negative publicity about a few such systems being
       used to spread illegal long-distance access codes and stolen
       credit card numbers has cast public doubt on our hobby.  It is
       time that the record is set straight.

            Electronic BBSes are the freest form of interpersonal
       communications ever created.  The people who use them do so as
       a way of sharing their thoughts, ideas, and information on the
       rapidly changing computer technology.  Also shared are
       thoughts and ideas about the world in general; many systems
       have ongoing debates about National and world issues.  Not
       since the days of the American Revolution, when thoughts and
       ideas were first spread around through pamphlets and flyers,
       has such a system of rapid communication been developed.

            The vast majority of BBSes and their users are honest
       people, who use this new technology in their work and as a
       hobby.  We should not be punished for the illegal actions the
       few misguided people about whom there has been so much
       publicity.

            I therefore recommend that before any laws restricting
       the use of BBSes are passed, input is received from the
       operators and users of these systems.  Representation of our
       interests in promoting the freedom of speech we exercise on
       the BBSes is the answer to reactionary laws.   I urge you to
       support our position in this matter.

       Sincerely,

       ___________________________

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                               FIDO Re-Write

               This is a response to Jim Lynn and Paul Kelly who
       wrote an article for the last issue of FIDONEWS about the
       re-write of FIDO.  I guess that I have a basic problem with
       the article in that as far as I know, there is no FIDO
       "re-write committee".  From all of the information that I
       have been able to gather, there are simply a number of
       individuals who have taken it upon themselves to try and
       re-write FIDO.  I don't know of any group that has as yet
       successfully emulated the entire range of FIDO operations.
       I myself have started a re-write project of my own, and so
       far I have about 90% of the message section written and
       working from the console keyboard.  Any sysops interested
       in beta testing this software should call my board at
       (603) 888-8179 and dowload the file 'ROVER.ARC' which is
       the executable program, and some short documentation.

               As far as the ideas presented in the article go, I
       liked them a lot.  The idea of overlays for FIDO is
       something that I simply never thought of, but now that I
       have thought about it, the question of how to implement it
       arises.  This area would have to be more thoroughly
       explored to see if it is feasible.  I could see FIDO being
       distributed as 2 .OBJ modules, one that would be the inner
       guts of FIDO, and 1 that would be a standard do-nothing
       overlay which could be tailored by each individual sysop
       that had the programming tools necessary to do such a job.

               I would welcome any input from groups that are
       also working on a FIDO re-write.  Perhaps a lot of work
       could be saved by pooling our resources.

       Bob Hartman
       Sysop Fido 101/101 - The UN*X Gateway
       or if your nodelist is old
       Sysop Fido 101/10101 - SPARK SOFTWARE

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       Jami Morgan
       15/1001

                        E.R.A. on Fido & FidoNet

       OK....first of all, all you male sysops DON'T FREAK
       OUT!!  I am not a radical feminist....just another Fido
       Sysop who happened to notice there aren't many female
       sysops (in fact, glancing at the latest nodelist...I may
       be it!!)  I haven't seen any bias in Fido regarding
       gender, so Congratulations!!  But, with so many women in
       the computer field, it does seem odd to me that there
       aren't more female sysops.  If I'm overlooking anyone...
       please contact me at 15/1001.  Thanks!!

       Now, my REAL beef--  It seems that lately Fido News has
       been over run with articles about pirating.  A topic
       that is more upsetting to me is "Crackers" and board
       crashers.  In both Albuquerque, NM & Denver, CO, there
       seems to be a recent serious rash of this activity. So
       bad that we have possibly lost a few good sysops.  Node
       104/341 (DASUG) and a great sysop is down due to Trojan
       Horse type programs on his board, and he may not come
       back.  Other non-fido boards in Albuquerque have been
       victimized and may not try putting their boards back up.
       Can't we as Legimate Sysops band together and do
       something about this plague?  We can certainly "turn in"
       pirate boards.  I don't like playing the role of
       "squealer"....BUT, laws are forthcoming on bulletin
       boards and electronic communications, and we need to
       stand up for the legitimate uses and make sure lawmakers
       recognize the difference between "Crackers" & pirates,
       and lawful uses of telecommunication.

       I would like to know if there is an organization that
       can lobby on behalf of this issue?  This is serious,
       because if we don't stand up for ourselves, no one else
       will!!  Any information on this issue would be greatly
       appreciated at 15/1001.  Thank you for the time and
       space for this type of forum!!

                     A Most Concerned Sysop,

                       Sanyo BUGS BBS -- Albuquerque, NM
                         Mt. Region 15, Node # 1001

       7              Sanyo BUGS BBS -- Albuquerque, NM
                         Mt. Region 15, Node # 1001

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               There is a wonderful, new world out there for
       communication by PC.  It revolves around references to man's
       best friend -- Fido!  Like its namesake, Fido can be a
       worker, a thing of wonder, a fun pastime and a pain in the
       neck.  Those of you who aren't involved have no idea and to
       you this article is addressed.  The rest of you are saying
       "amen!"

               I never had a pup of my own before Fido.  I couldn't
       really compare electronic Fido with the flesh and blood kind
       until I got both about the same time.  PC Fido is much
       neater in many senses of the word.  Nice people were
       responsible for both my dogs moving in.  My mother-in-law
       decided my son needed a pup and Bob Klahn decided my office
       needed one.  Both folk are tenacious.  I have one dog at
       home that barks when I call sometimes and a dog at the
       office that usually will bark at those of you who own
       modems.

               Fido was created to help a couple programers keep
       abreast of their progress on a mutual project.   Strange
       thing, though -- they were on opposite coasts.  Tom
       Jennings, our doggy daddy, was in San Francisco and his
       counterpart was in Baltimore.  Tom fathered Fido so they
       could compare source code, hence the FidoNet standard time
       of 1:00 A.M. Pacific time.  From the two original NetMembers
       we have grown to more than 400 visible nodes.  There are
       numerous Fido boards, or nodes, that aren't public and can't
       be enumerated.  Safe to say, there are lots of Fidos out
       there on which you may use your typing talents.

               For a public domain program, Fido is well supported.
       The current version in distribution is 10K, --and there was
       a version 1.  You will find fleas on Fido from time to time,
       but the flea powder troops are very active.  Tom Jennings
       deserves a medal.  This is a long way of saying R* is the
       most unreliable command in the lexicon.  But, as it says on
       the Woodstock I album, "treat the imperfections as marks in
       fine leather -- proof of its authenticity.

       Anyone can be a Fido Sysop.  You don't have to own a 3088
       with VMS.  I started my board with a 300 baud Hayes and two
       floppies for storage.  Bob Klahn came to my office one
       Saturday afternoon and installed it.  You may wish to
       download the files to make it run from many of the Fido
       boards.  If you plan to put it to business use, your
       software consultant probably can offer some advice or
       assistance making it fit your hardware configuration.  Fido
       is a public domain program and nobody should collect money
       for it, save Tom Jennings.  There are some applications out
       there that dogfight with Fido and good business practice
       says you should check with a consultant who knows those
       conficts.  See me for their names.  It will cost you hourly
       rates but it's good insurance.  If you want to use it for
       personal stuff there are countless people who will help you
       join the throng.  I love it.  I have been known to spend
       voluntary hours playing with it.  I have also saved DAYS of







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       work due to the information that I could receive and send
       through it.  I have saved weeks of travel time.  One sysop
       has it trigger a beeper.  He gets out of more lengthy
       meetings that way.  Another Fido wakes his master and
       mistress with Bach a la PC.  When Jim Goldschneider set up
       his Fido, two guys I know made his board exit to DOS at
       midnight, play him and his wife some classical music, and
       return to Fido.  I forget their names.  Moral:  be
       thoughtful of your choice of folk to whom you extend sysop
       privileges.  And that brings up a thought.  I have seen many
       try to crash my system.  I have seen no one succeed.  Nor
       has anybody else.  You can get in.  Only those you allow to
       do so can get in.  Some sysops do not let anyone in until
       they are asked first.  And they frequently say no.  Some
       sysops keep their boards a secret.  It's fun.  It's safe and
       profitable.  Only conversation, good books and sex rank
       higher.

       Van Olmstead 107/214
       (302)655-6342
       hours 8:00 PM to 8:00 A.M.











































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       From: Dan Taylor
       Sysop of 102/411
       (213) 970-9238

       I am trying to find some back issues of FidoNews from  1984.
       I  have  Vol.  1  #'s  1 and 2,  but am missing the rest for
       December.  I've been looking around the local boards, but no
       luck.  If anyone has them (after all this time), or knows of
       someone who does,  please let me know.  My intent is to keep
       an on-line archive of all Fido Newsletters.

       Thanks very much!  Dan Taylor...

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       WANTED: Cbasic2 CP/M De-Compiler
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       I am looking for a De-Compiler for
       CP/M Cbasic2.  That is a program
       that takes a .INT file, and converts
       it back into some form of source code.

       If you have any information on one of
       these, please contact me.

       Randy Berndt

       Fido_Net: Net 106 / Node 356

       US Mail:  AUA
                 6900 Fannin, Suite 546
                 Houston, TX  77030

       Phone:    (713) 791-1470 (days)

       Thank you.









































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                              NOTICES
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                       Correction to National USER LIST

       Bob Hartman
       SYSOP Fido 101/101
       the UN*X Gateway

       For those of you that have received the National FIDO user
       list, there is one small change that you should make.  My
       old node number (it should have been changed the Friday
       before this is published) was 101/10101.  Unfortunately,
       the SHIPUSER program created a file NNNNnnnn.USR where NNNN
       was my net number (0101), and nnnn was my node number, which
       came out as 1010 instead of 10101.  Unlike the FIDO software
       itself, they did not use a hexadecimal representation for
       the net and node numbers, and any node number that was 5
       digits got truncated.  Anyway, to get to the point, my new
       node number is 101/101 (to avoid such problems in the near
       future), and if you have the user list please change all
       occurences of 1010 to 101.

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                            The Interrupt Stack


       27 Nov 1985
          Halley's Comet passes closest to Earth before perihelion.

       24 Jan 1986
          Voyager 2 passes Uranus.

        9 Feb 1986
          Halley's Comet reaches perihelion.

       11 Apr 1986
          Halley's Comet reaches perigee.

       24 Aug 1989
          Voyager 2 passes Neptune.





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