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       Volume 2, Number 19                             24 June 1985
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       Chief Procrastinator:   Thom Henderson

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                       The Answer to Copy Protection

       I've already spoken in defense of copy protection.  I don't
       like it, but I can see why they do it.  The big question is,
       what else can be done?

       When radio was first invented it was envisioned as
       "telephone without the wires".  It was a neat idea.  It
       could be alot of fun for alot of people.  It could even be
       useful in certain cases.  But there aren't too many ways it
       can compete with the more usual sort of telephone.

       Then David Sarnoff got a bright idea.  He came up with
       broadcasting.  This is more revolutionary than it sounds.
       His idea was to transmit entertainment, news, whatever
       people wanted to listen to.  All the expensive equipment
       would be at his end, so anyone could listen even if they
       didn't have much to spend.

       The big thing is, he put in all the money and all the work,
       and GAVE it away!  Anybody who wanted to was more than
       welcome to listen in.  The trick, of course, is that he
       figured out how to make money some other way.







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       I think that software marketing is in that kind of a
       position today.  People are still thinking of marketing
       software in terms of the mainframe market, and it just isn't
       working very well.  It's just too easy to make pirate
       copies, and there are simply too many small fish to go
       after.

       The traditional answer is copy protection, but nobody likes
       it, and it doesn't even work.  People seem able to figure
       out how to bust copy protection schemes almost as fast as
       they can be devised.  Even the proposed "key" system isn't
       an answer.  How is a physical key any different from a key
       sector on a disk?

       The one original answer I have heard is the Freeware
       approach.  It has the virtue of being revolutionary, and it
       solves many of the inherent problems of copy protection.  By
       taking the approach that "if you don't pay, then you would
       have pirated it anyway, so take it!" it does manage to make
       piracy impossible, but few people ever seem to get around to
       paying at all.

       What we need is for someone to have a flash of insight, and
       figure out another way to make money by writing good
       software.  We need some means whereby the more people who
       use a program the more money the author makes, but not by
       charging for the software.  Regretfully, I have not had that
       sort of stroke of genius, and I tend to doubt I ever will.
       I'd thought of advertising, but I can't quite handle the
       image of a "Big Mac" ad popping up whenever I run my
       compiler.

       In closing, I will state publicly something I've said many
       times in private:

           "There is some solution to software piracy, and it isn't
            copy protection."


























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                                 NEWS
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       I am unhappy, is anyone else out there unhappy?  I am talking
       about the "improved" fido with nets/nodes/regions/hosts, etc.
       I was under the impression that fido was running very smoothly
       before the change (Don't get me wrong, I know a lot of people
       spent alot of time coordinating the whole shebang and for that
       I am very thankful), But was the direction fido took the best?

       I know that the number of nodes had to be expanded, but that
       could have been done without the nets.  (Currently there can
       be over 32,000 nodes / net.  Obviously that should be large
       enough for quite a while).  Too much work was being done by
       fido 51 and I agree that it makes a lot of sense that
       "geographical regions" be set up to assign new nodes.

       One of the major problems with the newest version is that the
       routing is included with the node list.  That means that most
       of the time, there will be at least 2 phone calls made to send
       fido mail.  The problems with this approach are:

       1).  The host is VERY! busy.  It sometimes takes many days to
            get through to the host.
       2).  There is NO way to know if the fidomail ever got through
            to the destination
       3).  More phone calls are generated / evening which increases
            the congestion.

       For those (few?) people who send mail each evening to more
       than 1 node served by a host, there is a savings using the
       routing.  I am sure that some of the busy nodes want the
       routing, but some of us (most of us?) probably don't see the
       savings.

       It makes sense that the node list is sorted by region and this
       should have been done in the past.  Since I am going to assume
       that most sysops have better editors than edlin, It should not
       be a problem to put your "region" at the top so they are the
       first ones displayed.  For those of us who use fidomail often,
       we probably remember the 2 or 3 nodes that we usually send
       mail to.

       Minor complaint; I find it easier to remember 1 number (even a
       4 digit number which allows 10,000 nodes than a net/node
       number combination.  I am fido #208 and I would rather not
       have another #208 even in a different region.  Most people are
       probably smarter than me so maybe this will not cause problems
       for others.

       I have been a software consultant for over 10 years now and
       there are 2 sayings that I try to live by.

       1.  K.I.S.S. (Keep It Simple Stupid)
       2.  If the damn thing works, LEAVE IT ALONE!

       So far, they have not failed me.  I just hope that by making







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       the current changes we have not opened a can of worms.


       Bruce Lomasky
       Fido #208 (net 16 I think)
       West Hartford, CT


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       Mike Ringer
       Fido 117/437
       College Station, TX

                              The first call

       I can remember when my parents bought our first and only
       computer!.  It was an IBM PC that I was very proud of.  We
       bought it in the summer of 81, It had an amazing 48k which
       we quickly upgraded to 64k and eventually to 256 when dad
       found he could not run Lotus on 128k.  I got my modem a year
       later after whinning one for weeks.  I signed on to my first
       board to find that there was nothing not any thing for the
       IBM! Now what do I do? well you leave messages, but I did
       not understand how to leave them or get rid of the ones I
       screwed up! After many futile tries the sysop broke in and
       said "I thought IBM's were business machines?" This scared
       the pajeebers out of me and I turned my modem off, calmed
       down and called the board back back and the sysop explained
       what had happened.  This is something you just don't do to a
       first time user folks! I don't care how nice the sysop is
       you just don't tell a 13 year old kid that there are no
       games for his computer (by the way I have forgiven Paul for
       doing this).  So I sat down and wrote a game called Zor and
       then wrote ZorII and I'm in the process of writing ZorIII
       but I haven't gotten very far.  After playing my game about
       ten times I decided it was no fun to play your own adventure
       games because yo knew how to win them.  Finaly the sysop I
       had my first encounter with got some games and I was
       satisfied for a while but not for ever.  Now I have about 30
       disks full of games and another 20 full of utilities progams
       I don't have time to use because I'm to busy trying to
       scrape enough money together so I can install a phone line
       and put up a board and share my games and ancient wares but
       till then I'll try to upload to the other boards in College
       Station.  Your probably wondering though why I don't make
       long distance calls to other boards well I have two very
       good reasons! 1)Don't have the money to call long distance
       2)You must be validated on most boards before you can
       download.  I have been helping alot of my friend with thier
       computers though.  I even have one paying 15 dollars and
       hour to convert wordstar files to ascii and then uploading
       them to his Commodore 64.  Along with doing that I have been
       trying to write a program that allows my Pc to be a burgular
       alarm.  Along with working 4:30-9:00 Tues,Thurs and 4:30-
       11:00 on Fri, Sat and 2:00-7:00 on Sunday, and fighting my
       family for the use of the computer I don't see how I get any
       thing done.  Maybe I should but my own computer instead of a
       phone line! hmmmm lets see, 3400 dollars for a new computer?
       well maybe I'll get the new phone line at 3.50 an hour I
       don't think I will be able to get a new computer maybe a
       used one but not a new one.  Oh well life does go on but my
       article can't! Be on the look out for Ollie's board near the
       end of the month.  I think I'll have a game review on the
       board and expand it to Fido news so Fido users will know
       what Pd games are worth playing!








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       Hello from Fido 17/35
       Greg Martz

         I run a relatively new bbs, and one with a different
       flavor.  I wanted to have a place to call and get info and
       numbers to other BBS's around the nation.  Since I could not
       find one, I decided to start my own.  Since this is the
       first Fido to be devoted to the upkeep of other BBS's, I
       don't have a preset format to follow.  I know that most all
       BBS's have their own list of local and national numbers, but
       I thought there might just be a need for a "National" number
       keeper.  The reason I'm writing this is because I would like
       to ask for help.  If all the Fido's would compile their list
       of numbers and send them to me via Netmail, that would be of
       great help.  I also need some help verifying the numbers.

         I am thinking of putting in a file section so that any BBS
       who has a pay system can Advertise their systems, and can
       keep a current catalog on file.  Any input or suggestions?
       If you would like to help out, or want some further info.
       send a message via netmail to me at net 17 node 35.

         Note: My system is semi-restricted.  If you would like
       advance sign-up send Name, Pwd, Phone#, etc.



                                               Greg Martz
                                               Sysop Fido 17/35



































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       The Computer Farm now carries Hard Drives for the Sanyo MBC
       55x Computers.  We are operating these systems on our Fido
       node 428. The system is an External 5 or 10 meg system with
       controler and driver for up 4 drives. We have Tested the
       driver with MSDOS 2.11, DS-DOS and AOK DOS. The hard drive
       system only   takes 10-20 min. to install.

       5 Meg External ................ 995.00
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       For more information on thes systems send mail to Node 428
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       495-3815.


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                              NOTICES
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                               Fidonews Bugs

       You may have noticed that last week's issue of Fidonews came
       out a little late in some areas.  It seems we made what
       appears to be a fairly common mistake.

       Fido treats its node list as gospel.  If you have a 1200
       baud modem and try to send mail to a node with a 2400 baud
       modem, Fido will try to make the call at 2400 baud.
       Obviously, this won't work very well.  (You are in a
       similar, or worse, position if you have a 300 baud modem.)

       The answer is to edit your node list, making sure that
       nobody is listed with a higher baud rate than you can
       support.

       We overlooked this for the simple reason that NODELIST.EXE
       used to take care of this for us.

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