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       Volume 2, Number 11                            29 April 1985
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       Publisher:              Fido #375
       Chief Procrastinator:   Thom Henderson

       Disclaimer or dont-blame-me:

       The contents of the articles contained here are not my
       responsibility, nor do I necessarily agree with them;
       everything here is subject to debate. I publish EVERYTHING
       received.

       You can take this to mean anything you want, but hopefully
       as an invitation to comment, make suggestions, or write
       articles of your own.

                            ARTICLE SUBMISSION

       All articles you see in this issue are written by users and
       sysops, and have one way or another managed to consume disk
       space on Fido #375. In order to get rid of them, and free up
       my precious disk space, I include them here, then quickly
       delete them. Then they are YOUR problem.

       EDITORIAL CONTENT:

       Totally up to you; I publish anything at all. Articles are
       generally Fido or BBS related; this is by no means a
       decision on my part, nor a requirement.

       FOR SALE, WANTED, NOTICES:

       Pretty much self explanatory. Commercial ads are welcomed,
       if of reasonable length.

       SUBMITTING AN ARTICLE:

       Manage to get a copy of your article to Fido #375,
       preferably by Fidonet mail, or by uploading.  The name of
       the file you send MUST have one of the following extensions:

           .ART      An article
           .SAL      A "For Sale" notice
           .WAN      A "Wanted" item







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       ARTICLE FORMAT: VERY IMPORTANT! PLEASE READ!

       The requirements are a little tighter in this department,
       due to purely practical constraints.  I cannot devote hours
       to converting every text format in the world to the one I
       use.

       1.  NO LEFT MARGINS! Flush left please.  We will do the
           indenting at our end, thank you.

       2.  RIGHT MARGIN AT COLUMN 60 OR LESS! Less is OK, more is
           definitely not. This includes fancy boxes, dotted lines,
           etc.

       3.  NO FUNNY CHARACTERS!  This includes formfeeds and other
           oddities.

       4.  NO GRAPHIC CHARACTERS! Believe it or not, not every one
           in the world has an IBM PC. My computer understands
           printable characters from 20 hex to 7e hex. (Space to
           tilde) This is ASCII; "American Standard Code for
           Information Interchange". We are "Interchanging
           Information". Everything else is GARBAGE. ASCII is
           universal; Graphics are not.

       5.  TOTAL ARTICLE LENGTH: Up to you; note, however, that I
           will probably avoid publishing dictionaries, bibles
           translated into NAPLPS, and ASCII encoded LANDSAT
           pictures of Russian wheat farms.

       6.  WHERE ON EARTH IS THIS ARTICLE FROM? Well ... good
           question! A good idea to identify yourself somewhere,
           unless you wish to remain anonymous. Thats okay too, but
           I may balk at publishing rude or otherwise racy
           submissions.

       7.  You don't need to put in separator lines at the top or
           bottom.  They are added automatically when Fidonews is
           assembled.

       Any article that doesn't meet the above criteria will get
       bounced, and will not be published until someone gets around
       to fixing it.  I might go over it and fix it up in time for
       the next issue, or I might ask you to try again, or I might
       just forget about it.  In any event, you must meet these
       standards if you expect your article to be published
       promptly.
















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                                 Big News

       Fidonews is a bit on the large side this week.  At the last
       minute Tom Jennings sent me a file by Bruce Webster of BYTE
       Magazine.  I'm not sure if it was meant as an article, but
       it's topical and pressing, so here it is.

       In brief, some legislation is pending in California that is
       of direct concern to sysops of bulletin boards everywhere,
       since it may well end up serving as model legislation for
       other states.  We all owe our thanks to Bruce on this one,
       since he's been spending his own time and money working with
       the congresscritters to revise the bill into something I
       think we can all live with.

       He also makes a very valid point; we can't afford to just
       sit around and ignore what's going on around us.  I suggest
       that we should form our own Political Action Committee to
       protect our interests.  Not being very political myself, I
       have no idea how one goes about doing such things, but I'm
       sure we must have people out there who do.  Can anybody help
       on this?  Or does anyone know anyone who can help?  At the
       very least, I'd like to see an article in the near future on
       how we would go about it.

       We have lot's of other goodies this issue, including a
       review of sorts from TJ about the Hayes 2400 baud modem, and
       how it will work with Fido 10H.




































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                                 NEWS
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       The following information deals with California Senate Bill
       1012, introducted by Sen. John Doolittle (R-Citrus Heights).

       SB 1012:  An act to amend Section 502 of the Penal Code,
       relating to computers.

       Under existing law, the malicious access, alteration,
       deletion, damage, destruction or disruption of a computer
       system, network, program, or data is a public offense and a
       felony.  Existing law also sets forth a separate category of
       public offenses involving the unauthorized access to a
       computer system, computer network, computer program, or
       data, punishable as specified, depending upon whether there
       is injury.

       This bill would add a new category of offenses involving the
       unauthorized placement of personal or private information on
       a computer bulletin board, as defined.  A violation of this
       offense would be classified as a public offense punishable
       in the same manner as unauthorized access is punishable
       under current law.

       SB 1012 would add the following paragraphs to Section 502 of
       the Penal Code:

       (a)(2)  "Computer bulletin board" means a service, accessed
               through the use of a computer, for the storage or
               dissemination of information to the public.

       (e)(1)  Any person who knowingly places a telephone number
               or address not listed in a public telephone
               directory, personal identification number, computer
               password, access code, credit card number, debit
               card number, bank account number, or other personal
               or private information of another on a computer
               bulletin board or otherwise makes the information
               available electronically to the public without the
               prior written authorization by the owner of the
               information is guilty of a public offense.

          (2)  Any owner or operator of a computer bulletin board
               who knowingly permits the maintenance of a telephone
               number or address not listed in a public telephone
               directory, personal identification number, computer
               password, access code, credit card number, debit
               card number, bank account number, or other personal
               or private information of a person other than the
               owner of the information on a computer bulletin
               board or otherwise makes the information available
               electronically to the public, once having been
               notified that it is private information, without the
               prior written authorization by the owner of the
               information, is guilty of a public offense.








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       History of SB 1012:

       07 Mar 1985   Introduced by Sen. John Doolittle
       16 Apr 1985   Amended by Sen. Doolittle's office
                     Passed unanimously by the Senate Judiciary
                     Committee

       Steps yet to come:

       1) Approval by the Senate Finance Committee
       2) Approval by the entire Senate (majority vote)
       3) Introduction into the Assembly
       4) Approval by two Assembly committees [I'm not sure if it
          must also be approved by the entire Assembly]
       5) Resolution of discrepancies (if any) between the Senate
          and Assembly versions
       6) Signature by the Governor
       7) Becomes law six months (I believe) after signature

                    *** My involvement in all this ***

       I learned of this bill Sunday (14 Apr 85) through two
       different BBS messages, discovering that it was to come
       before the committee on Tuesday (16 Apr).  I immediately
       sent a letter (via MCI Mail) to Sen. Bill Lockyer (Chairman
       of the Senate Judiciary Committee) expressing my concern
       over what I had heard about SB 1012.  On Monday (15 Apr), I
       spend a good part of the afternoon on the phone, talking
       with staff people in the offices of all the members of the
       Judiciary Committee and (again) registering my oppposition
       based on what I knew.  In the process, I talked with Ted
       Blanchard in Sen.  Doolittle's office (Doolittle is also on
       the committee); Blanchard was very helpful and, when he
       found out I was planning to fly up to testify against the
       bill in committee, ask me to stop by and work with him on
       the wording.  I agreed.  I then spent the rest of the
       evening preparing formal letters of oppostion for each
       member of the committee.

       I flew up late Tuesday morning and spent an hour or two
       delivering the letters to each committee member (or, more
       precisely, to their secretaries).  I then met with
       Blanchard, who was understanding of my concerns and frankly
       ask me to sit down and help him rewrite the bill.  We were
       later joined by Don Ingraham, assistant D.A. from Alameda
       County [Oakland], and another person, a consultant from the
       State Office of Information Technology.  We then spent a few
       hours hammering out different changes in the bill.  Ingraham
       was very sympathetic towards the vast majority of BBS's and
       did not want wording that would allow harrassment of those
       sysops.  He just wanted something that would let him nail
       (or, at least, threaten into closing down) the "bastard
       boards" that publish lists of credit card numbers, corporate
       computer access codes, and the like, which he currently
       can't touch under existing law.  [Point of interest:  while
       he was obviously trying to be "professional" by not
       criticizing other agencies, it became clear under repeated







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       questioning that he thought the Tcimpidis arrests should
       never have taken place, and that the L.A. City Attorney's
       office had made a *big* mistake (my words, not his).]

       The major changes in wording came in paragraph (e)(2),
       dealing with sysops.  The original bill had the phrase
       "knowingly permits the placement" (instead of "maintenance")
       and did *not* have the clause, "once having been notified
       that it is private information".  As it was, Ingraham felt
       that the original wording would have put the burden of proof
       on the D.A., not on the sysop, but we all agreed that these
       changes benefitted both the sysops and the D.A.'s, since (1)
       the sysop could not be held liable unless someone pointed
       out the existence of the message and the sysop took no steps
       to remove it, and (2) the D.A. can get a cleaner case when
       the sysop *is* guilty by being able to show that (a) the
       sysop was notified, and (b) the message was still up
       sometime later.   Other, more minor changes were or had been
       made, such as the addition of the phrase "not listed in a
       public telephone directory".

       The bill (with the modifications) came before the Judiciary
       Committee around 5:30 p.m.  No opposition came forward (I
       had agreed not to oppose the bill as modified), and it was
       passed unanimously.  As mentioned above, it still has to go
       through a number of committees in both houses, and has to
       pass by majority vote in (at least) the Senate before
       becoming law.

       I still have some reservations about the bill, which mostly
       center around two issues:  first, the interpretation of the
       phrase "personal or private information", which is a little
       too open ended for my tastes, and second, the interpretation
       of the word "maintenance", in other words, just how quickly
       the sysop must delete an offending message once he/she has
       been notified that it is "private information" to avoid
       being guilty of "maintaining" it.  However, Sen. Doolittle's
       office appears to be very eager to get feedback from the BBS
       community, and we may be able to get more acceptable
       language into it.  There is still a long road ahead before
       SB 1012 becomes law.

       I suspect that I may get some flack from some of you out
       there in BBS-land for working with Doolittle's office to
       modify the bill rather than taking a die-hard stand against
       it.  My response:  go fly a kite.  *I* was there; you
       weren't.  I spent nearly $200 out of my own pocket to fly up
       to Sacramento and back, so that I could have some say in the
       bill.  And that doesn't count the cost for an hour or two of
       prime time phone conversations between San Diego and
       Sacramento.  You know how many other people showed up, out
       of all the concerned, outraged sysops and users?  None.
       Zero.  Zip.  Peggy Watt, formerly of InfoWorld and now with
       CommunicationsWeek, was there, not to change or protest the
       bill, but to cover the hearing, but she was the only other
       computer-type person to appear.  I can't take credit for all
       the changes made--the "public telephone directory" addition







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       came as a result of a phone call on Monday by Mark Welch--
       but I can sure take credit for the rest.

       Furthermore, had I refused to work with Doolittle's office
       (and he and his staff were by no means the ogres pictured in
       some of the BBS messages I saw) but had just tried to oppose
       the bill in committee, I probably wouldn't have gotten
       anywhere.  You see, when the bill finally did come up, not
       one single member of the Judiciary Committee said anything
       to oppose it.  This suggests that very few of you took the
       time to find out who the committee members were (as I did)
       and to call or visit their offices (as I did).

       In short, if you didn't make some real effort to change the
       bill or block its approval by the committee, then you have
       no right to harp on me and my efforts.  And if you're still
       not satisfied with the bill, well, there's still a lot of
       time left to change it.  Just pick up the phone and start
       dialing.  Ted Blanchard, in Sen. Doolittle's office, can be
       reached at (916) 445-5788.  Or, if you prefer the mail, you
       can write him c/o the Sen. Doolittle, State Capitol,
       Sacramento, CA  95814.  And if you still don't do anything,
       then you had better be prepared to live with what you get.

       My apologies if I sound a tad defensive, but I was irritated
       by the tremendous lack of action on the part of the BBS
       community, and I was frankly scared at what would have gone
       through had *I* not spent the time and money.  I'll be
       damned if I'm going to take any guff for doing *something*
       when no one else was willing to do much of anything.

       By the way, while I was up there, I got a list of *all*
       bills currently floating around the capitol dealing with
       computers.  A number of them also have implications for us.
       Maybe we'd better wake up and make sure that our interests
       are represented there on a regular basis.  If I can figure
       out how to afford it, I may start trying to make monthly
       visits to Sacramento to work directly with the people making
       the laws.  Some of you might consider doing the same.

       Nothing like a close call to get one excited, eh?

                 Bruce Webster/BYTE Magazine
                 Arpanet:     bang!crash!bwebster@nosc
                 uucp:        {ihnp4 | sdcsvax!bang}!crash!bwebster
                 CompuServe:  75166,1717
                 MCI Mail:    138-5892
                 Fido #87:    (619) 286-7838 (sysop)

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                       Software and Disk Swapping
                            by Robert Briggs
                          SYSOP FIDO node #464

                I  don't  know  about the rest of the  nodes  out
       there, but I spend a tremendous amount of money dialing up
       various  other BBS systems in my endless pursuit  for  the
       perfect (read that "another") piece of software.  It seems
       to  me  that there is a way to reduce my  $406.00  monthly
       phone  bill  by a considerable amount and still  obtain  a
       great  deal of new software each month.   I am looking for
       some  other  nodes that are interested in  doing  both  as
       well.

            My idea is not new, it was at one time practiced by a
       number of user groups (and  may be still, for all I know).
       It  is simple and really quite inexpensive,  amounting  to
       maybe  a few dollars worth of postage per month.   I  will
       circulate a box of diskettes per every ten nodes that care
       to  join in.   I will fill one of the 10 diskettes up with
       software that I think is interesting,  and mail the box to
       the  next node on the route list.   The next node will  do
       the same,  after taking anything from my diskette that the
       SYSOP  finds  interesting.   He will then fill a  diskette
       with  software  and mail the box to the next node  on  the
       list.   When the box gets back to me,  there will be 9 new
       diskettes  of software to examine.   I will copy  anything
       that  I find interesting,  put different software  on  the
       diskette  assigned  to me,  and once again mail it to  the
       next  node  on  the list,  who will in  turn  find  9  new
       diskettes of software,  copy anything interesting,  refill
       his assigned diskette with software, etc.

            The  first time around,  the first few  nodes  really
       don't  see  much  in  the way  of  software  - just  blank
       diskettes.   AFTER  the first time  around,  however,  any
       given  node  should see 9 new diskettes of  software  each
       month.   (Maybe  more - if several boxes of diskettes  are
       being circulated, cross-routing the boxes could produce 18
       or  27  new diskettes each month -- at 360k per  diskette,
       that would amount to 6.5 or 9.7 MEGABYTES of new  software
       each month!)

            The  problem with this scheme is that it  depends  on
       SYSOP's being reliable enough to mail the diskettes to the
       next  node  on the list,  and in timely enough fashion  to
       keep  the diskettes (and software) flowing  smoothly  from
       one node to another.   This means that ONLY nodes that are
       interested  and committed enough should get involved.   IF
       you  are  interested in this form  of  software  exchange,
       please contact me via FIDONET and leave your node  number,
       name,  address,  and  the  type of software that  you  are
       interested in.  If enough nodes contact me, I will start a
       box of diskettes around immediately.


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                             FIDO RE-WRITE
                            by Robert Briggs
                          SYSOP FIDO node #464

       An  open  letter  in response to  various  inquiries  from
       various nodes...

          Being  of  the engineering persuasion rather  than  the
       marketing  or  sales  persuasion,  I don't  think  that  a
       "marketing  survey" is of much use to the  FIDO  area.   I
       think  that it would cost a bundle and that there would be
       very few replies.   I at least would not attempt to handle
       such a survey for lack of $$$$.

          Having  been  many things in the 14 years that  I  have
       been in the computer field,  including V.P. of engineering
       of  several  companies,  project librarian  for  a  "super
       programmer" team,  and most of the time just serving as  a
       systems  analysist,  I have to disagree on having  several
       nodes  serve  as  repository  for the  source.   It  is  a
       difficult  job to keep large amounts of source code  under
       control in one location,  much less several.  I agree with
       your fears about "keeping all of your eggs in one basket",
       i.e.  perhaps having the node responsible for handling the
       source code get tired of the whole business and just  drop
       out.

          My   node  may  not  be  ideally  located,   but  I  am
       volunteering  for  the job.   I guess that IF  there  were
       three nodes that could and would work together, and agreed
       to  share files,  ideas,  and could keep everything  under
       control,  then the ideal situation might be to have a node
       on the East coast,  West coast,  and somewhere in between.
       Experience  shows me that this would,  in all  likelyhood,
       not work out.

          I  do agree that there are any number of features  that
       could be incorporated into a re-work of FIDO,  perhaps too
       many.   I think that the first step should be to duplicate
       what  FIDO currently is,  while keeping in mind what  FIDO
       might become in the future.   This is no small undertaking
       - I suspect that just re-writing FIDO to its current level
       may take the equivalent of several man years.

          RBBS has a central location for changes/updates.  While
       many  of  its users customize the  program,  any  released
       changes come from only one source,  and I think that  this
       might  be  the  best way to handle things at  the  present
       time.  I almost dread the thought of hundreds of different
       versions of FIDO floating around....

           A possible solution to this might be to make FIDO more
       flexible to start with.  The most powerful BBS system that
       I every saw was one called TBBS,  which ran on Radio Shack
       computers.   It was menu driven,  and by changing just the
       menu files,  not the actual program,  you could make it do
       almost  anything.   It  had 255 different  privilege  (the







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       correct  spelling!) levels,  and everyone  with  different
       levels could,  at the SYSOPS discretion, see what appeared
       to be a completely different BBS,  complete with different
       menus, different message areas, and different file areas.


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       ------
       From:  Robert E. Spivack
              Fido #346
              (408) 972-8164

       [--Although I have written an article or two, and a for
       sale message, I should introduce myself and let you
       know that I am the SYSOP of Fido #346 in San Jose,
       California.

       Currently, I run Fido as a semi-private system validating
       users after they dial in once.  I do this mainly to keep
       out the lookers, anyone willing to leave their name and
       dial back in a day is welcome.  I also do this to keep the
       number of users small intentionally.  Since San Jose has
       other Fido's and RBBS, etc. I don't want my system to
       become another download garbage trap.  Also, a small
       number of users means I can use my own system without
       upsetting a lot of people who would say my system is too
       busy, they can never get on.

       Since my own interests are rather technical, I am devoting
       my Fido to the theme of "Much ado about the PC AT".  Thus,
       if you have any special patches, files, or comments (pro
       or con) about the IBM PC AT, it might be worth a
       long-distance phone call (or FidoNet message).]

       Back to the main topic of this article....
       I think the changes underway for FidoNet are quite
       interesting.  I hope the final thought process that goes
       into the node/region/admin stuff takes into account the
       possibility that in the future local sub-nets of Fido
       might be linked on some kind of wide-band lan.

       Computers like numbers, humans like words. Any chance of
       using names (even if they have to be aliased to underlying
       numbers) for the regions?

       Finally, the only real request I have:  I do wish the
       process of compiling nodelists (no matter how they are
       generated) have some sort of incremental update built-in.

       I sure would like to be able to download a 65 KB file
       only once, and then apply 5 or 10 kb updates to it.  Maybe
       once every 3 months issue a complete new file with
       incrementals every week in between.  Given that admins/and
       hosts exist, it would always be possible for each region to
       have both a completely updated full file (for new sysops) and
       the proper set of incrementals to roll forward an older list.

       Comments?

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       Tom Jennings
       Fido #1
       27 Apr 85

                       HAYES SMARTMODEM 2400 REVIEW

               This is sort of a review of the Hayes Smartmodem
       2400. I say sort of because it's more or less documentation
       on what I went through to make it work with Fido/FidoNet and
       other things.

               The Hayes 2400 supports 300, 600, 1200 and 2400
       baud, and Bell 103A, 212A, and CCITT modes. I won't even
       bother to mention all the permutations. It has a much
       extended command set, and is supposed to be compatible with
       the "old" 1200 baud Hayes. It almost is.

               This modem has many problems. Most are plain old
       "bugs" that will probably get fixed, others are just design
       problems. I don't think Hayes is going to be prepared for
       the flak they will get on the changes they made. They might
       have thought them inconsequential.

               They did a good job with the extended command set.
       Old commands haven't been changed, they added new ones or
       expanded existing ones. So far, so good.

               Most of the problems are caused by optionitis. There
       are just too many useless commands. Luckily, most can be
       ignored. Two that cannot be are &D and &C. These are "one
       time" initialization commands the control how CD (Carrier
       Detect) and DTR (Data Terminal Ready) work.

               There are many non-obvious subtlies in getting the
       damn thing to answer the phone at 2400 baud. It won't just
       do it, you have to initialize it in a very special way. The
       problem is this non volatile RAM used instead of the DIP
       switches. You will soon wish you had DIP switches again. The
       NVRAM saves just about everything, including the last used
       baud rate. Hayes went crazy saving things in this RAM, and
       to show how much they like it they keep reading things back
       from it even after you have changed things.

               For instance, to get the modem to autoanswer at 2400
       baud, you have to send AT commands to it at 2400 baud. Not
       1200. Then, save the state of things with &W, so it will
       remember that you used 2400. Whenever DTR is dropped and
       raised, it will "remember" these settings, even if you don't
       want to. Fido 10H does this automatically, but for other
       programs you will probably have to go in with Minitel or
       something at 2400 baud and do it yourself.

               An annoyance, though I see why they did it, is that
       the numeric result code for "CONNECT 2400" is "10". The old
       Hayes had single digit result codes, like "1" meant
       "CONNECT" (300), "5" means "CONNECT 1200", etc. Programs
       that look for a single digit will think the "10" is "1".







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               The &D3 command looks useful, but is not. It causes
       the modem to go onhook and disable when DTR is dropped, and
       reload all settings from NVRAM. This is fine, except that in
       this modem, when DTR is held low, CD is set true even if
       there is no carrier. Not very useful on a Fido or other BBS
       environment.

               There is no way to support DTR properly, and NOT
       have the modem autoanswer. In my application, I run a Fido
       only for outgoing mail on my home phone; I do not want the
       modem to autoanswer! As soon as DTR is lowered and raised,
       it goes into autoanswer, even if I set ATS0=0 and save it
       with &W. It insists on always setting ATS0=1.

               Since the 2400 supports 1200 in either CCITT or Bell
       modes, there has to be some way to tell the modem which to
       use. Enter the B command. However, it doesn't seem to work,
       and certainly doesnt work like they say, though the "bug" is
       actually an improvement. Calling another 2400 Smartmodem
       always connects, so I cannot tell which mode it's using.

               ATB0 is supposed to be CCITT mode. The manual says
       you will get an ERROR if you try to dial, etc at 300 baud in
       CCITT mode. This is not true, it will connect as Bell 103A.
       This is an improvement over what is in the manual. Same is
       true in Bell mode, ABT1. Supposedly, it won't let you dial
       in Bell mode at 2400; not true, it switches to CCITT and
       works fine. net result: ATBx is a no-op.

               600 baud is a total failure in the model I have. It
       connects OK, but it drops characters and bits. Presumably
       this is just a bug that will get fixed.

               Two of us had a similar, non-repeatable problem at
       2400 baud; the modem "locked up" and went into one of its
       Test Modes, with the MR light blinking. Disconnecting seemed
       to cure it. It only happened once to each of us.

               The manual, while about as clear as the old one, is
       many revisions behind the software actually in the modem.
       (The product code from my modem, returned by ATI, is 242) It
       does not even mention the side effects and interactions of
       DTR, NVRAM, and baud rate. Some things, like ATBx, are just
       plain wrong. Be prepared to experiment.

       SUMMARY:

               Overall, once you figure out how to operate the damn
       thing, it works quite well, the 2400 baud problem
       notwithstanding. In autoanswer mode, once properly set up,
       it will receive calls at 2400 CCITT, 1200 CCITT, 1200 Bell
       212A, 600 CCITT (maybe) and 300 Bell 103A. Not too shabby.
       You just have to be very careful as to how you issue
       commands, and remember to do it at the right baud rates. For
       a more or less unattended operation such as Fido and
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       for you.

               Assuming they fix the small bugs, this should be an
       excellent modem. The only drawback is the complexity coupled
       with the strange side effects such as not answering at 2400
       as mentioned above. Most users won't want to pay for all the
       unneccessary goodies such as synchronuous mode, and there
       may be other modems out that have less features but cost a
       lot less. Time will tell. It works quite well.

       OTHER STUFF:

               There may be a special deal from Hayes for FidoNet
       sysops. Don't ask yet, it will get announced if true. There
       are also U.S. Robotics 2400 baud jobs coming too, supposedly
       for $350.00. It supports 2400 CCITT, 1200 Bell 212A, and 300
       Bell 103A. Basically, a Hayes 1200 with 2400 added. This may
       end up being the hot modem, if it works as advertised. In
       any case, don't expect all these things to be compatible
       with each other; I already know of differences between the
       Hayes and USR 2400 models, though the differences shouldn't
       be fatal.

       FIDO SPECIFIC ISSUES:

               Fido 10H supports 300, 600, 1200 and 2400 baud. You
       have to hit CR twice for all baud rates. There is a problem
       at 2400 though. Sometimes the first CR doesnt get noticed;
       its not a modem problem, it's just a side effect of how
       UARTs work, and there is such a pressing need to release 10H
       that it will have to go out as is for now.

               To connect to a Fido with a 2400 baud modem, try the
       usual CRs. If no results, try hitting the space bar, then a
       CR.

       HOW TO MAKE IT WORK:

               To make CD and DTR work as in the older Hayes, do
       the following:

       Use a terminal program, at 2400 baud.

       AT&D2           DTR control
       AT&C1           CD control
       Other commands as needed; V0, E0, etc
       AT&W            Save changes in NVRAM

               You have to set &D and &C before you use the modem
       with Fido. The problem is that the modem defaults to "fake"
       CD, and Fido will think there is an incoming call, and not
       initialize the modem. Chicken and egg type problem. Just do:

       AT&C1&D3&W

               At any baud rate, then Fido will do the rest if you
       select the right modem type.







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               Note that if you connect once at, say, 300 baud, in
       order for the modem to later connect at 2400 baud you MUST
       drop DTR to make the modem reset itself from NVRAM. +++ ATH0
       won't do it. This is most annoying. This is only an issue
       for other autoanswer situations, not Fido.


























































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       ============================================================
                              COLUMNS
       ============================================================
       David Heron, Sysop, Space Coast Fido #457, Titusville, Fl

       Pat Travers, a local Florida rock musician has a song titled
       "BOOM, BOOM OUT GO THE LIGHTS".  In the true spirit of the
       space coast, we've decided to ask Pat to write us a special
       version called "BOOM, BOOM IN COMES THE SHUTTLE".

       This is due to the wonderful double-barrel sonic boom the
       shuttle creates as it makes its landing approach.  Just
       imagine that you are sound asleep at 7:15 some morning (for
       those of you who never are, adjust the time for the worst)
       and all of a sudden BOOM BOOM everything in the house
       rattles and you shoot a foot straight up off the bed (it's
       worse when you have a waterbed, the tidal waves can be
       rather large).  The first thought is that some crazy
       neighbor is out hunting in your back yard.  Then you
       remember the block at the top of yesterday's TODAY
       newspaper, SHUTTLE LANDING: Tommorrow no earlier than 7:13
       AM.

       Oh well you didn't really want to go downtown and watch it
       approach the runway anyway.

       The landing of Discovery, Friday 19-April-1985 was marred by
       several incidents.

       The wind patterns that day caused the ship to wander across
       the runway like a bouncing ball.  In an attempt to slow down
       and keep to the center line, the pilot managed to lock the
       starboard breaking system, thereby blowing out 2 tires.
       Upon inspection, all of the tires on the landing gear were
       found to be damaged by the rough landing.  Most of the 30"
       tires will have to be replaced before Discovery's next
       launch.

       Another development was a gaping hole in the port side
       thermal insulation.  Located at the juncture of the wing and
       the main body near the elevons, the hole led into the honey-
       comb interior of the wing.  NASA scientists are
       investigating the possibility that the hole was created by
       the loss of a tile at launch.




















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                               WANTED
       ============================================================
       If anyone has a bulletin board devoted to genealogy, or for
       that matter anybody that is or would be interested in
       genealogy and using computers to keep track of family
       histories, please contact Bill Ware at Fido 375.

























































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       ============================================================
                              NOTICES
       ============================================================
                                OUR MISTAKE

       In the last issue of Fidonews (vol 2, num 10), both Tom
       Jennings and Racter misspelled Ezra Shapiro's name.  It does
       not now, and never did, have a "c" in it.

       My apologies to Ezra for letting this slip through.

       ------------------------------------------------------------
                        *** Calendar of Events ***

        5 May 85 Submissions deadline for next issue of Fidonews.

        6 May 85 through 9 May 85; COMDEX (COmputer Dealers'
                 EXposition), Atlanta, GA., Georgia World Congress
                 Center and Atlanta Apparel Mart.  If you're there,
                 stop by General Datacomm booth and say hello to
                 Jim Ryan (sysop Fido 9).  Bob Depelteau of Seequa
                 Computers (sysop Fido 43) will also be there.

       27 May 85 through 31 May 85; Spring 1985 DECUS symposium,
                 New Orleans, LA.  Among other events, Kurt Reisler
                 (sysop Fido 74) will give a 1 hour talk on Fido.







       If you have any event you want listed in this calendar,
       please send a note to node 375.