F I D O N E W S Volume 18, Number 25 18 Jun 2001

F I D O N E W S Volume 18, Number 25 18 Jun 2001
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Copyright 2001 by Frank L. Vest, Editor for Fidonews Globally.

Table of Contents
1. FOOD FOR THOUGHT ......................................... 1
2. GENERAL ARTICLES ......................................... 2
COMPOSITION of a ONE DOLLAR BILL ......................... 2
3. EDITORIAL ................................................ 4
"Dead Horses" and "Wet Apes" ............................. 4
4. EDITOR'S CORNER .......................................... 6
?? ERN Charting Committee ?? ............................. 6
5. HUMOR IN A FIDO VEIN ..................................... 8
How Policy Begins & Why it won't change .................. 8
Policy Standards on "Dead Horses" ........................ 8
6. COMIX IN ASCII ........................................... 10
Owls ..................................................... 10
7. CLEAN HUMOR & JOKES ...................................... 11
ButtFirst ................................................ 11
8. FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ................................. 12
Fidonet Software listing ................................. 12
9. FIDONET BY INTERNET ...................................... 16
Fidonet-related sites .................................... 16
10. FIDONEWS INFORMATION .................................... 22
How to Submit an Article ................................. 22
Credits, Legal Infomation, Availability .................. 23
Nodelist Stats ........................................... 24
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FOOD FOR THOUGHT
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Tact is the art of convincing people that they know more than you do.

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GENERAL ARTICLES
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COMPOSITION of a ONE DOLLAR BILL

From Ed Driver
[email protected]

Take out a one dollar bill and look at it. The one dollar bill you're
looking at first came off the presses in 1957 in its present design.
This so-called paper money is in fact a cotton and linen blend, with
red and blue minute silk fibers running through it. It is actually
material. We've all washed it without it falling apart.

A special blend of ink is used, the contents we will never know. It
is overprinted with symbols and then it is starched to make it water
resistant and pressed to give it that nice crisp look.

If you look on the front of the bill, you will see the United States
Treasury Seal. On the top you will see the scales for the balance --
a balanced budget. In the center you have a carpenter's T-square,
a tool used for an even square cut. Underneath is the Key to the
United States Treasury.

That's all pretty easy to figure out, but what is on the back of that
dollar bill is something we should all know. If you turn the bill
over, you will see two circles Both circles, together, comprise the
Great Seal of the United States. The First Continental Congress
requested that Benjamin Franklin and a group of men come up with a
Seal. It took them four years to accomplish this task and another
two years to get it approved.

If you look at the left hand circle, you will see a Pyramid. Notice
the face is lighted and the western side is dark. This country was
just beginning. We had not begun to explore the West or decided what
we could do for Western Civilization. The Pyramid is uncapped, again
signifying that we were not even close to being finished. Inside the
capstone you have the all seeing eye, and ancient symbol for divinity.
It was Franklin's belief that one man couldn't do it alone, but a
group of men, with the help of God, could do anything.

"IN GOD WE TRUST" is on this currency. The Latin above the pyramid,
ANNUIT COEPTIS, means "God has favored our undertaking." The Latin
below the pyramid, NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM, means "a new order has
begun." At the base of the pyramid is the Roman Numeral for 1776.
If you look at the right-hand circle, and check it carefully, you
will learn that it is on every National Cemetery in the United
States. It is also on the Parade of Flags Walkway at the Bushnell,
Florida National Cemetery and is the centerpiece of most hero's
monuments. Slightly modified, it is the seal of the President of the
United States and it is always visible whenever he speaks, yet no one
knows what the symbols mean.

The Bald Eagle was selected as a symbol for victory for two reasons:
first, he is not afraid of a storm; he is strong and he is smart
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enough to soar above it. Secondly, he wears no material crown. We
had just broken from the King of England. Also, notice the shield is
unsupported. This country can now stand on its own. At the top of
that shield you have a white bar signifying congress, a unifying
factor. We were coming together as one nation. In the Eagle's beak
you will read, "E PLURIBUS UNUM," meaning "one nation from many
people." Above the Eagle you have thirteen stars representing the
thirteen original colonies, and any clouds of misunderstanding
rolling away.

Again, we were coming together as one. Notice what the Eagle holds in
his talons. He holds an olive branch and arrows. This country wants
peace, but we will never be afraid to fight to preserve peace. The
Eagle always wants to face the olive branch, but in time of war, his
gaze turns toward the arrows.

They say that the number 13 is an unlucky number. This is almost a
worldwide belief. You will usually never see a room numbered 13, or
any hotels or motels with a 13th floor.

But, think about this:

13 original colonies,
13 signers of the Declaration of Independence,
13 stripes on our flag,
13 steps on the Pyramid,
13 letters in the Latin above,
13 letters in "E PLURIBUS UNUM,"
13 stars above the Eagle,
13 plumes of feathers on each span of the Eagle's wing,
13 bars on that shield,
13 leaves on the olive branch,
13 fruits, and if you look closely,
13 arrows. :
13th Amendment for the minorities.
And 13 items in this list of items on the dollar bill.
Do you know this?
Do your children know this?
Do History Teachers know and teach this?
Too may veterans have given up too much to ever let the meaning fade.
Many veterans remember coming home to an America that didn't care.
Too many veterans never came home at all.
"IN GOD WE TRUST" & "GOD BLESS AMERICA"

Note: Ol'wdb wants that all countries peoples feel the same for their
country. submissions to Frank would be received with pleasure I am
sure. Some may feel this history reminder is ill placed, I beg that
you remember what this country did not once but twice for other
countries that they keep their boundaries and their freedom, and is
still contributing to world peace in several places in the world.

WDB

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EDITORIAL
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"Dead Horses" and "Wet Apes"

I direct your attention to the "Humor in a Fido Vein" section.
Skip to that section first. Then come back here.

Ok... Yeah, those are cute, and kind of funny, but they are also "too
true"....

We have an organization called Fidonet. It has what passes for a
policy. It has members who thump (wank) policy and members who thump
(wank) non policy. Those apes that want no policy are attacked by
those that have always had policy. Those apes that have always had
policy feel correct in their attack "Because that's the way it's
always been around here.". Of course, there must be some kind of
policy or guidelines or this Fidonet falls apart. The real problem
is... The policy that passes in Fidonet doesn't work right. Why?

It's out of date for the times. Get real, ZMH is not that critical
now. Most traffic is done via the Internet. Yes, like it or not,
Fidonet is part of the Internet which is just a big collection of
nets. Crash Netmail, while still useful, is over rated. How often is
it used? In some areas Crash mail is probably still used, but most
files, Netmail and echomail go via the Internet in some form. Heck,
the Fidonews is hatched out via an Internet link. But don't forget the
apes. It is written that policy must be obeyed "Because that's the way
it's always been around here.".

So, why can't policy be changed?? Come on, do you want to get
sprayed with cold water?!? That's what will happen if you try to
change policy. Just ask the apes. It's was tried in the "FIDOECHOPOL"
echo a long time back, a proposal was being worked on about a year or
so ago for Policy5 and, most recently, an attempt was made in the
"FIDOPOLS" echo. Guess what? Yup. That "cold water" and them apes got
it then and again.

I guess we're riding a "Dead Horse"here.... Speaking of which...

Fidonet has three backbone mail systems in Zone1. Yes, three...
Backbone.na, Backbone.zib and Backbone.ww. It seems that there is
always a problem with someone or group there. I don't know about other
Zones since they haven't spoken out. Maybe that "cold water" got them
too? I just wonder why Fidonet needs three echomail distribution
systems? Is it just because some can't work with others? Maybe it's
just that they are "Providing additional Echos to feed the dead horse
to increase performance". Maybe there have been some problems, but are
three backbones the answer? It does seem that the apes who want to
control these things continue to stop new apes from climbing them
stairs "Because that's the way it's always been around here".

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Please note that the "FIDOPOLS" echo is still around. Sure, it will
die in time. One backbone will remove it for low traffic in time.
Maybe others will for some reason(s) as well. Just another "dead
horse" that was killed to be ridden.

Speaking of horses again. I really can't wait until the next election
in Zone1. Judging from past elections, there will be a lot of "dead
horses" to ride. One thing is for sure, the best way to win an
election is to be unknown... or have enough supporters to find more
"dead Horses" for your opponents to ride than your opponents find for
you to ride. Either way, if you're known to anyone, you can bet that
all the "dead horses" you have ridden in the past will be brought back
to you and there will be "bigger whips" for use on them as well as
"new riders", "changing standards", attempts to "revive the dead
horse(s)", "blaming", "harnessing several dead horses together" and
all that other stuff. Of course, if there aren't enough "dead horses"
for you to ride, someone will be happy to kill some new ones for you.
Now, you try to say that you'll change policy, but watch out for that
"cold water" and those apes that will attack you and don't *even*
think of discussing things. Just get your flame proof underwear out
and saddle that "dead horse" that you will be forced to ride.

It's been said that Fidonet is dieing. Nodelist stats seem to agree.

Maybe so.... with all them dead horses and wet apes around, it does
smell in places. Of course, that banana has been hanging there for a
while too. Yuck! Bet that's a little ripe! You can bet that this will
never ever change because "This is the way we've always ridden dead
horses". You can't change policy "Because that's the way it's always
been around here".

So what's the final score?? I don't know. You decide. Make it quick,
before that final horse dies and that banana gets too much riper. Of
course, you'd best watch out for that cold water and them wet apes.

Just remember. When all else fails, "Blame the dead horse's parents".

Me?? I say "Promote the dead horse to a *C position. :)

Oops! Looks like this horse is dead. That's ok. I'll just keep going
by "declaring that no horse is too dead to ride".

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EDITOR'S CORNER
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?? ERN Charting Committee ??

What is this ERN Charting Committee?

Is this another group of apes reaching for that banana? Where are the
old, experienced apes, that know that you can't get that banana?

Maybe this is a group of apes with a new banana. Could be that they
just want to put a new banana up for the old apes to look at. Of
course, they could just be "riding a dead horse" in a different way.

Anyway, I've received Netmail asking me about the routing in my Net.
Why it was sent to me is unknown. I'm not the NC or the NEC. I do
handle some of the "Routed Netmail" for my Net, but not the "Echo
Routed Netmail" as far as I know.

Still... It would be nice to know what the purpose of this
"committee" is and what/why they are doing this. From what I Think I
understand, they wish to remain anonymous and only one is willing to
stand up and be counted for this endeavor. I guess that's ok... if
that's what they want. Still, it does make one wonder....

I've connected to the "Z1ROUTING" Echo and there has been at least one
question from a Node in regards to who and what this "ERN Charting
Committee" is.

Kind of makes one wonder what the others have to hide, don't it?

So, what is this ERN Charting Committee?? Which ape runs this? Is
this a Backbone thing? If so, which one? Is this a "quality committee
to find additional uses for dead horses"?

Maybe they are just new apes that haven't learned to leave that
banana alone "because that's the way it's always been done around
here". Could be that they are "Harnessing several dead horses together
to increase speed, efficiency and echo traffic".

Is this something that Zone 1 has "cooked up"? What does the rest of
Fidonet think of this?

Is the sending of Netmails to people asking questions about who they
route to and "private" links considered "annoying behaviour"?

I don't know, but I would like to invite them to write an article for
the Fidonews introducing themselves. If this "ERN Charting Committee"
wants some validity, it won't happen if they hide behind one person
and remain in the "backrooms" with no information given to the general
Fidonet population as to what they are and what they are trying to do.

For now, I think I'll start working on next week's Fidonews....

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BUTTFIRST! <BG>

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HUMOR IN A FIDO VEIN
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How Policy Begins & Why it won't change

Start with a cage containing five apes. In the cage, hang a banana on
a string and put stairs under it. Before long, an ape will go to the
stairs and start to climb towards the banana. As soon as he touches
the stairs, spray all of the apes with cold water.

After a while, another ape makes an attempt with the same result - all
the apes are sprayed with cold water.

Now, turn off the cold water.

If later another ape tries to climb the stairs, the other apes will
try to prevent it even though no water sprays them.

Now remove one ape from the cage and replace it with a new one. The
new ape sees the banana and wants to climb the stairs. To his horror,
all of the other apes attack him. After another attempt and attack, he
knows that if he tries to climb the stairs, he will be assaulted.

Next, remove another of the original five apes and replace it with a
new one. The newcomer goes to the stairs and is attacked. The previous
newcomer takes part in the punishment with enthusiasm.

Again, replace a third original ape with a new one. The new one makes
it to the stairs and is attacked as well. Two of the four apes that
beat him have no idea why they were not permitted to climb the stairs,
or why they are participating in the beating of the newest ape.

After replacing the fourth and fifth original apes, all the apes which
have been sprayed with cold water have been replaced. Nevertheless, no
ape ever again approaches the stairs. Why not?

"Because that's the way it's always been around here."

*THAT'S* how policy begins and *WHY* it won't change.

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Policy Standards on "Dead Horses"

Dakota tribal wisdom says that when you discover that you are
riding a dead horse, the best strategy is to dismount.

In Fidonet we often systematically follow other strategies, as a
matter of policy, to deal with dead horses. Our research has uncovered
the following:

1. Using a bigger whip.

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2. Changing riders.

3. Saying things like "This is the way that we've always ridden dead
horses."

4. Appointing a committee to study the dead horse.

5. Arranging to visit other echos to see how they ride dead horses.

6. Increasing (or lowering) the standards to ride dead horses.

7. Appointing a *CC team to revive the dead horse.

8. Creating a training session to increase ability to ride dead
horses.

9. Make rules declaring, by fiat, that the horse is not dead.

10. Blaming the dead horse's parents.

11. Harnessing several dead horses together to increase speed,
efficiency and echo traffic.

12. Declaring that no horse is too dead to ride.

13. Providing additional Echos to feed the dead horse to increase
performance.

14. Do an Echo search to see if other Fidonet members are more capable
of riding dead horses.

15. Declare that horses are, in general, better, faster, stronger and
cheaper when dead.

16. Form a quality committee to find additional uses for dead horses.

17. Revisit the original requirements for horses to see if dead horses
were undervalued.

18. Say the horse was procured by accedent as an independent variable.

19. Blame the farm on which it was born.

20. Promote the dead horse to a *C position.

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COMIX IN ASCII
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Owls

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<+,+> <@,@> <*,*> <-,-> <$,$>
[`-'] [`-'] [`-'] [`-'] [`-']
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drunk owl owl junkie one legged owl shrewd owl greedy owl

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CLEAN HUMOR & JOKES
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**BUTTFIRST**
[email protected]

I have a condition often found in folks of my age. The scientific
world is frantically searching for a cure.

This is an ailment many of us suffer from and may not as yet have
been diagnosed. However, now you may be able to discuss it with
your loved ones and try to explain what really happened to you all
those times you tried so hard to accomplish something...

It's call the "BUTTFIRST Syndrome."

It's like when I decide to do the laundry - I start down the hall and
notice the newspaper on the table. Okay, I'm going to do the laundry
-- BUTTFIRST I'm going to read the newspaper.

After that, I notice the mail on the table. Okay, I'll just put the
newspaper in the recycle stack, BUTTFIRST I'll look through that
pile of mail and see if there are any bills to be paid. Now where's
the checkbook?

Oops! There's the empty glass from yesterday on the coffee table. I'm
going to look for that checkbook, BUTTFIRST I need to put the glass
in the sink.

I head for the kitchen, look out the window, notice my poor tomatoes
need a drink of water. I put the glass in the sink, and darn it,
there's the remote for the TV on the kitchen counter. What's it
doing here? I'll just put it away, BUTTFIRST I need to water those
plants.

Head for door and Ack! I stepped on the cat's tail. The cat needs to
be fed. Okay, I'll put that remote away and water the plants.
BUTTFIRST I need to feed the cat.

At the end of day: Laundry is not done, Newspapers are still on the
floor, Glass is still in the sink, Bills are unpaid, Checkbook is
still missing, The cat ate and then dispursed kitty-litter on the
floor around the litter box, and the remote control is in the sink
with the glass.

AND, when I try to figure out how come nothing got done all day, I'm
baffled, because I KNOW I was BUSY ALL DAY!

I realize this condition is serious....and I should get help,
BUTTFIRST I think I'll read Fidonews and the e-mail.

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FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING
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This list is up for adoption. If you are interested in producing,
updating and submitting this list for publication, contact the Editor.

The format of this list is currently;

Name
Internet address (if available)
Fido style address (if available)

This list is in no way complete. Additions and updates are welcome;
mail to; [email protected]

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The Elevator Software Productions Web Page
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Hermes II Project (Mac)
http://www.hermesii.org/

MBSE BBS for Linux
http://freezer-burn.org/mbse/

The Official Mystic BBs Web Page
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Horizon/9426/index.html

RemoteAcces BBs Software World Wide Sales and Support Site
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Renegade BBs Software
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Through a Looking Glass Mirror Telegard Support
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The Maximus Home page
http://oeonline.com/~garyg/maximus/

BBBS Home Page
http://www.bbbs.net/

Synchronet BBS
http://www.synchro.net

Nexus Bulletin Board System
http://www.nexusbbs.net/
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Jibben Software
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Sunrise Door Software
http://www.sunrisedoors.com/

Vagabond Software
http://vagabond.virtualave.net/

Legend Of The Red Dragon Reborn (L.O.R.D.)
http://lord.darktech.org/

Trade Wars Door Game
http://www.eisonline.com/tradewars/

JNS Software Door Games by Rusty Johnson
http://www.geocities.com/jnssoftware/

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Mail Tossers
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http://fmail.nl.eu.org/

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Definite Solutions - FrontDoor, FrontDoor APX, Mailer/Point Software
http://www.defsol.se/

BeeMail Home Page
http://www.bise.tzo.com/beemail/

BinkleyTerm XE Frontend Mailer Software
http://btxe.sourceforge.net/

Santronics Software Inc.
http://www.santronics.com/

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Fidonet via Internet Software
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Internet Rex (Internet mail software)
http://plaza.v-wave.com/InternetRex/

Argus
http://www.ritlabs.com/argus/

Bink D
http://2f.ru/binkd/
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Fidonet to Internet Mailer
http://www.terminate.com/fido2int.htm

TransX
http://www.multiboard.com/software/transx.html

Fidogate
http://www.fidogate.org/

Tmail (Russian /w English DL)
http://www.tmail.spb.ru

TransNet
http://www.ressl.com.ar/transnet/

Watergate
http://www2.sbbs.se/hp/ramon/

GiGo Software
http://www.gigo.com/

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Point Software
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Definite Solutions FrontDoor APX
http://www.defsol.se/

JetSys - Home of JetMail, JetStat and other Atari Fidonet utilities
http://www.jetsys.de/

APoint
http://www.apoint.websale.net/index.htm

CrossPoint
http://www.crosspoint.de

WinPoint95
http://www.schenksmir.de/wp/english

The OpenXP CrossPoint Projekt
http://www.happyarts.de/xp

Terminate Terminal
http://www.terminate.com

PPoint-FTS compatible E-Mail System
http://www.alcuf.ca/ppoint.htm

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Other Software, Utillities and such
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F-Prot Anti-Virus Home Page
http://www.complex.is/cgi-bin/home_pager

BGFAX Home Page
http://blkbox.com/~bgfax/
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SIO, Vmodem for OS/2
http://www.gwinn.com

NetModem for Windows
http://www.allensoftware.com

Com/IP
<http://pcmicro.com/comip

Husky - Portable Fido Software
http://husky.physcip.uni-stuttgart.de/

cFos Fossil driver
http://www.cfos.com/index_e.htm

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Region 24: http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German)
http://www.was-ist-fido.de/
Fido-IP: http://home.nrh.de/fido/ (English/German)
Region 25: <Vacant>
Region 26: http://www.nemesis.ie
REC 26: http://www.nrgsys.com/orb
Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm
Region 29: http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (French)
http://Welcome.to/skynetbbs/
Region 34: http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (Spanish)
REC34: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/4552/
Region 36: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/
Region 38: http://public.st.carnet.hr/ blagi/bbs/adriam.html
Region 41: http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English)
Region 42: http://www.fido.cz
Net422: http://www.fido.sk (Slovak/English)
Region 50: http://www.fido7.com/ (Russian)
Net 5010: http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/ (Russian)
Net 5015: http://www.fido.nnov.ru/ (Russian)
Net 5028: HTTP://5028.nordnet.ru/
Net 5030: http://kenga.ru/fido/ (Russian & English)
?? Net 5049: http://www.n5049.z2.fidonet.org (English/Russian)
Net 5074: http://www.n5074.z2.fidonet.net
?? Net 5085: http://www.fidonet.uz/ (Russian)

Zone 3: http://www.z3.fidonet.org

Zone 4:
Region 80: http://fidobrasil.8m.com (Portuguese)
Region 90:
Net 904: http://members.tripod.com/ net904 (Spanish)

Zone 5: http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/

Zone 6: http://www.z6.fidonet.org
Region 65: http://r65.yeah.net
http://www.cfido.com (Chinese)

Fidonet Via Internet Hubs

a @ preceding an individual's name implies a virtual email
address. The email is translated as follows
[email protected] will automatically route to the
appropriate individual's email. Anyone in this list will
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also receive routed notice of this feature.

v-email flag [email protected]
| email address or
Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate
| | |latency|
-----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------
Zone 1 | | | |
10/3 @ Brenda Donovan | FTP,UUE,BinkP | 384K,30| n/c
10/345 @ Todd Cochrane | FTP,BinkP,VMOT | T1,! | n/c
18/500 @ Ross Cassell | FTP, BinkP |128K+,!| n/c
18/600 | Jerry Gause | FTP BinkP | ??? | n/c
103/5 @ Mark Luetger | BinkP | CABLE | n/c
103/301 @ Joe Jared | BinkP,FTP,NFS | 384k,!| n/c
103/401 @ Warren Bonner | BinkP | aDSL,!| n/c
105/8 @ Russ Johnson | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k | n/c
105/72 @ Larry James | FTP, BinkP | aDSL | $50/yr
106/1 @ Steve Loupe | BinkP, FTP | 128k | ???
106/2000 | Bob Juge | BinkP VMoT FTP TX| ??? | n/c
106/6018 | Lawrence Garvin | FTP, VMoT | aDSL,60| n/c
107/453 @ Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo.
138/146 | Marc Blakely | BinkP,FTP | ??? | n/c
140/1 @ Bob Seaborn | FTP,BinkP | T3,30 | $5/$16
142/906 | Chris Griffin | BinkP | ??? | n/c
150/220 | Dave Nemeth | UUE | ??? | n/c
153/7715 | Dallas Hinton | BinkD, FTP | CABLE | ???
167/133 | Stephen Monteith | BinkP | 128k+ | n/c
167/166 | Jesse Dooling | POP? UUE TX FTP| ??? | n/c
218/109 @ Matt Munson | BinkP,UUE,TX | 33.6k | n/c
220/10 | [email protected] |BinkP,FTP,UUE|1.5M+ | n/c
229/1 | Phil Simpson | BinkP UUE FTP | ??? | n/c
229/2000 | Robert Couture |BinkP FTP UUE TX| ??? |
229/622 | Dave Hamilton | BinkP | ??? | n/c
249/116 | Carl Austin Bennett | FTP, UUE |ADSL,60 | n/c
250/98 | Darin McBride | BinkP FTP TX | ??? | n/c
250/99 | Brent McLaren | FTP BinkP | ??? | n/c
250/102 | Darin McBride | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c
267/169 | Philip Lozier | FTP TX | ??? | n/c
261/1380 | Joe Davis | UUE TX | ??? | n/c
280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo.
297/11 | Michael McCabe | TX | ??? | n/c
323/120 | Craig Healy | VMoT FTP | ??? | n/c
342/3 @ Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP | 128K+ | n/c
360/5 | Bennie Hutto | FTP VMoT | ??? | n/c
395/670 | Arthur Stark | BinkD,FTP | CABLE | n/c
379/1 @ Dale Ross | FTP, BinkP,UUE | 256K+,! n/c
379/1200 | Chris Cranford | BinkP FTP TX | ??? | n/c
393/9005 | Steve Quarrella |BinkP TX UUE VMoT| ??? | n/c
395/670 | Arthur Stark | BinkP VMoT FTP | ??? | n/c
396/45 | Marc Lewis | UUE | 33.6 | $26/yr
396/48 | Ben Ritchey | UUE:BFDS? | 33.6k | n/c
2320/38 | Janis Kracht | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c
2410/400 | Gary Gilmore | FTP BinkP | ??? | n/c
2410/213 | Kevin Bentz | FTP, BinkP, UUE| Cable | n/c
2604/104 @ Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo
2624/306 | David Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | n/c
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3613/1275 | @ [email protected] | UUE,FTP | 28.8 | n/c
3407/4 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
3632/84 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
3651/9 @ Jerry Gause | FTP,VMoT | 33.6 | $3/$6
3830/5 | Jeff Schrunk |BinkP FTP TX UUE| ??? | n/c
--------------------------------------------------------------
Zone 2 |
20/11 | Henrik Lindhe | BinkP | ??? | n/c
22/222 | Kim Heino | BinkP | ??? | n/c
28/1 | Lody Caenen | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c
31/1 | Gabriel Plutzar | BinkP | T1+ | n/c
37/37 | Gabor Z. Papp | BinkP | ??? | n/c
47/999 | Andrej Kirejev | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
201/329 | Mats Wallin | VMoT TX | ??? | n/c
201/505 | Goran Eriksson | BinkP | ??? | n/c
203/600 | Mikael Karlsson | UUE | 64k | n/c
211/37 | Torbjorn Mohn | BN IFCICO | ??? | n/c
221/360 @ Tommi Koivula | BinkP,UUE | ??? | n/c
236/205 @ Michael Kaaber | BinkP | ??? | n/c
240/6298 | Steve Tell | BinkP UUE | ??? | n/c
246/2098 | Volker Imre | BinkP | ??? | n/c
252/110 | David Rance | UUE | ??? | n/c
255/90 | Simon Avery | UUE | ??? | n/c
263/950 | Sean Rima | TX UUE | ??? | n/c
280/1027 | Lukas de Groen | BinkP FTP | ??? | n/c
280/1601 @ Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c
280/4312 | Jos Huijnen | BinkP ifcico UUE TX| ??? | n/c
280/5003 | Kees van Eeten | BinkP ifcico | ??? | n/c
292/620 | Eddy Missoul | VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 64k | n/c
292/624 | Steven Leeman | UUE | 64k | n/c
292/854 | Ward Dossche | BinkP UUE TX | ??? | n/c
292/907 | Bart Verhaeghe | BinkP,VMoT,UUE | 64K | n/c
292/2003 | Eric Vaneberck | BinkP | 768k | n/c
301/1 | Peter Witschi | BinkP | 768k | n/c
332/807 | Roberto Mascolo | BinkP | ??? | n/c
333/0 | M Gianformaggio | BinkP | ??? | n/c
335/534 @ Mario Mure | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k | n/c
335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
341/14 | Rafael Suarez | BinkP VMoT | ??? | n/c
344/201 | Julio Garcia | BinkP | ??? | n/c
346/3 @ Carlos Navarro | UUE | ??? | n/c
382/100 | Sinisa Burina | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
400/555 | Ofir Michaeli | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
400/557 | Marius Kaizerman | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
400/558 | Vlad Hrusca | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
406/555 | Ofir Michaeli & | BinkP | ??? | n/c
406/555 | Marius Kaizerman | BinkP | ??? | n/c
423/81 | Milos Bajer | BinkP | ??? | n/c
461/256 | Andrew Rutkas | BinkP | ??? | n/c
461/640 | Alex Semenyaka |BinkP ifcico UUE| ??? | n/c
465/204 | Va Milushnikov | BinkP | 33.6k | n/c
469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c
469/128 | Oleg Vasenyoff | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
480/112 | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k | n/c
550/4077 | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE | ----- | n/c
2410/201 | Karsten Ebeling | BinkP UUE | ??? | n/c
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2411/413 @ Dennis Dittrich | UUE,BinkP | 64k | n/c
2432/200 | Sven Dueker | BinkP TX UUE | ??? | n/c
2446/301 @ Lothar Behet | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K | n/c
2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn
2476/419 | Tobias Ernst | BinkP | ??? | n/c
2487/3000 | Steffen Gross | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5002/5002 | Victor Belyakov | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5014/4 | Alex Bagmanov | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
5020/52 | Peter Didenko | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5020/54 | Serge Wizgounoff | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
5020/69 | B Chernivetsky | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5020/238 | Sergey Gubanov | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5030/115 | Andrey Podkolzin | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5030/1251 | K Stepanekov | UUE | ??? | n/c
5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5020/1159 | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
5049/12 | Amir Shabashvili | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5054/3 | Andrew Popov | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5080/80 | Eugene Zorin | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
5083/21 | Alexander Uskov | BinkP,ifcico | ??? | n/c
5090/2 | Andrew Titov | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c
--------------------------------------------------------------
Zone 3
633/260 @ Malcolm Miles | FTP,BinkP | 64K | n/c
640/954 | Rick Van Ruth | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c
712/311 | Bob James | TX | ??? | n/c
774/605 @ Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c
--------------------------------------------------------------
Zone 4
801/161 @ Renato Zambon | UUE | 33.6 |n/c
902/18 | Javier Tejedor | UUE | 33,6 | n/c
905/100 | Fabian Gervan | VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 128k | n/c
--------------------------------------------------------------
Zone 6
65/3000 | Lawrence Fan | UUE | 33600 | free
653/1009 | Maorong Chen | UUE | ??? | free
654/0 | Bin Li | UUE,BinkP | 33600 | free
654/1501 | Lawrence Fan | UUE,BinkP | 28800 | free

--
* FTP = Internet File Transfer Protocol
* VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
* UUE = uuencode<->email type transfers
* BinkP = front end mailer for TCPIP networks
* TX = TransX
* NFS = Linux Networking
* ifcico = ifcico-compatible virtual mailer
----------------------------------------------
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Nodelist Stats

INPUT NODELIST FILE : NODELIST.166
File has a Date Stamp of : 6/15/2001
File Size (uncompressed) : 1247.96 KBytes.

The Input Nodelist file has 11712 Nodes in it
and a total of 14680 non-comment entries.

The list has 6 Zones listed.
68 Region Coordinators listed.
507 Network Hosts listed.
798 Hubs listed.
421 DOWN Nodes listed.
808 PRIVATE Nodes listed.
360 HOLD Nodes listed.

Administrative overhead = 1379 ( 11.77 %)
PRIVATE NODES overhead = 808 ( 6.90 %)

Baud Rate Summary (or, BPS, for the die-hard technocrats):
9600 = 10061 ( 85.90 %)
(HST's = 226 or 2.25 % of the 9600 baud modems.)
(CSP's = 2 or 0.02 % of the 9600 baud modems.)
(PEP's = 20 or 0.20 % " " " " )
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(MAX's = 0 or 0.00 % " " " " )
(HAY's = 6 or 0.06 % " " " " )
(V32's = 5642 or 56.08 % " " " " )
(V32B's = 845 or 8.40 % " " " " )
(V42's = 5225 or 51.93 % " " " " )
(V42B's = 901 or 8.96 % " " " " )
2400 = 123 ( 1.05 %)
1200 = 8 ( 0.07 %)
300 = 545 ( 4.65 %)

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F_Req Flag Applicable Software Number of Systems
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XA Frontdoor <1.99b 4775
Frontdoor 2.02+
Dutchie 2.90c
Binkleyterm >2.1
D'Bridge <1.3
TIMS
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XB Binkleyterm 2.0 12
Dutchie 2.90b
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XC Opus 1.1 14
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XP Seadog 6
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XR Opus 1.03 80
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XW Fido >12M 418
Tabby
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XX D'Bridge 1.30 4815
Frontdoor 1.99b,2.01
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CrashMail capable = 4527 ( 38.65 %)
MailOnly Nodes = 5843 ( 49.89 %)
Listed-Only Nodes = 862 ( 7.36 %)

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