F I D O N E W S Volume 17, Number 24 12 Jun 2000

F I D O N E W S Volume 17, Number 24 12 Jun 2000
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Table of Contents
1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1
What's Not Happening - Policy 4 Abolished ................ 1
2. LETTERS TO THE EDITOR .................................... 3
Tom Davison .............................................. 3
3. COLUMNS .................................................. 4
Ol'WDB: Prayer sent by a Vet ............................. 4
This week's Web Page ..................................... 4
4. NET HUMOR ................................................ 6
Thin no more ............................................. 6
5. COMIX IN ASCII ........................................... 7
Famous Cows .............................................. 7
6. INTERNET INFO ............................................ 8
Fidonet-related sites .................................... 8
7. FIDONEWS INFO ............................................ 12
Masthead ................................................. 12
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EDITORIAL
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.-- -- -- -- -- -- WHAT'S NOT HAPPENING -- -- -- -- -- --.
| There isn't always something happening on Fidonet, but |
| there's always something which isn't happening. This |
| column is dedicated to the lost causes which make Fido |
| what it isn't today. Published semi-occasionally... |
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Policy 4 Abolished
Doug Myers

In a remarkable display of international harmony and cooperation
earlier this week, sixty six of Fidonet's Regional Coordinators met
in the super secret WW_REGCON echo to repeal Fidonet's decade old
Policy 4.07. The unanimously adopted Policy 5.00 brings about
sweeping changes to Fidonet, among them:

- elections at all coordinator levels, except where it conflicts
with local tradition.

- equality for all individuals, except that sysops are more equal
and elected or appointed individuals are even more equal than
that.

- geographic organization is abandoned in recognition of the
improved interconnection patterns brought about by the internet.
The new basic unit of organization will be known as a "fiefdom."

- echomail is finally recognized as a matter of policy. Though it
doesn't fall under the traditional coordinator structure, a
multiple backbone structure is defined. Freedom of speech in all
echoes is guaranteed except where it conflicts with moderator
rulings.

Though informal polls indicate that the policy change is supported
by all 66 regional coordinators, it isn't official yet due to an
untimely failure of the WW_REGCON echo. Though it isn't widely
known, this super secret echo was actually the creation of Doc
Logger who, though he couldn't post on the echo, found it convenient
to establish clandestine connections to it so he could monitor the
elflords as they plotted to keep Fido under their thumb.
Ironically, all of the elflords accepted Doc's clandestine
connection through his old XT computer and never bothered to connect
amount themselves. This set up a situation where all traffic
through this echo flowed through the XT in Doc's basement (somehow
given an administrative node number). Those of you who remember Doc
Logger know that he departed Fidonet some time back, headed for his
retirement home in the South Seas. Though he remembered to take his
advanced system (the 286), he completely forgot about his XT in the
cellar.

Fidonews has learned through discrete sources that the machine
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failed earlier this week because the local electric utility finally
shout off electricity after two years of uncollected bills.
Unfortunately, this failure occurred after the Policy Change
Referendum had been posed, but before any votes were actually
gathered. It is suspected that Doc's old place will ultimately be
sold for back taxes and the machine is expected to gather votes when
electric service is restored.

In the meantime, this is what's not happening on Fidonet.

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LETTERS TO THE EDITOR
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Tom Davison
Netmail from Lesley-Dee Dylan
1:250/535
---------------

Dougie, this one looks like a good capture for an article.

Dee

* Original Area: Sysop.REG12
* Original From: Darrell Salter (1:250/201)
* Original To : All (1:250/201)

* Forwarded from NETMAIL by Darrell Salter (1:229/2).
* Originally by: David Moufarrege (1:2613/404), 09 Jun 00 18:57.
* Originally to: Darrell Salter (1:12/0).

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Hello Darrell,

Ten days ago I flew from Chicago, IL to San Jose, CA. During the
flight I started a conversation with my "neighbor", who turns out to
be Tom Davison, a former node from Ottawa who recently moved to
Colorado.

We had a great chat comparing notes on Fidonet, a few good laughs
about common acquaintances and generally a good time.

Tom was interested in some of the new things we're into today, such
as Fido via IP, etc. However, he asked me to pass along greetings to
the region and to the Ottawa net.

Done! :-)

-=David=-
TCP/IP Node kraut.dyndns.org IBN & ITN:60177
[email protected]

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COLUMNS
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Ol'WDB's Column
A prayer sent to me from a Veteran & Pal
[email protected]
[email protected]

Dear Lord,
Every evening
As I'm lying here in bed
This tiny little prayer
Keeps running through my head
God bless my mom and dad
And bless my little pup
And look out for my sister
When things aren't looking up
And God, there's one more thing
I wish that you could do
Hope you don't mind me asking
But please bless my computer too?
Now I know that's not normal
To bless a mother board
But just listen a second
While I explain to you 'My Lord'
You see, that little metal box
Holds more to me than odds & ends
Inside those small compartments
Rest a hundred of my 'BEST FRIENDS'
I know for sure they like me
By the kindness that they give
And this little scrap of metal
Is how I travel to where they live
By faith is how I know them
Much the same as you
I share in what life brings them
From that our friendship grew
"PLEASE" Take an extra minute
From your duties up above
To bless this scrap of metal
That's filled with so much love!

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This weeks Web Page
By Frank Vest

This weeks page is "Tiny's" Web page.

Where? http://members.home.com/t1ny/
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What's it got?

Lots of stuff here. Shawn Highfield (Tiny) is a programmer. You can
tell this by his page. I found Tiny's page a long time back while
looking for some doors for my BBS. He has a great "Hangman" game,
"Wall of Babble" and some other BBS doors and utilities. There's
even a L.O.R.D IGM that I run on my BBS called "Sommer's Shiny
Things". :)

I drop by this site on occasion to see what has been added. I
noticed that there is a free Telnet client on the main page for
download. Of course, I'm gonna try it. :)

It seems that Tiny is into a lot of things from networking to
programming and about anything else that deals with computers. I'd
suggest that you visit this site and take a good look around. As far
as the BBS and Fidonet areas go, I'll let Tiny tell you about his
history in that area.

----- cut -----
My History with BBS's

I've been running BBS's off and on since 1985 when I wrote BBS
software for the Commodore 64. I still have a copy of the "Perfect:
BBS" system on a floppy disk, though after over 10 years I doubt the
disk as any good. <G>

After moving to the PC Platform in 1991, I again started running a
BBS, this one was known as --==>Pern<==-- . As the system became
popular and went multinode, I changed the name to Online Information
Xchange.

OIX expanded and became an Internet Service Provider. I ran that
until April 1996, when I sold my shares to my partners.

Shortly after I sold OIX, a good friend of mine who runs a local
Echomail network called me up in a panic, His main HUB had went
down and he was stuck. I threw a mailer up and became HUB 400 in
powernet. Shortly after that I saw a copy of Telegard 3.0 on another
system in town. I started setting it up so I could use my favorite
offline mail reader instead of Front door's folders. One thing led
to another and Tiny's BBS was born.

----cut----

That's the story from Tiny. Drop by and read the rest of the stuff
on his page and check out some of the programs he's written as well
as the products offered.

Regards,

Frank - [email protected]

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NET HUMOR
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Thin No More...
Thanks to Peggy Hollinger
[email protected]

There was a Scottish tradesman, a painter called Jock, who was very
interested in making a pound where he could, so he often would thin
down paint to make it go a wee bit further.

As it happened, he got away with this for some time, but eventually
the Presbyterian Church decided to do a big restoration job on the
roof of one their biggest churches. Jock put in a bid, and because
his price was so competitive, he got the job.

And so he set to, with a right good will, erecting the trestles and
setting up the planks, and buying the paint and, yes, I am sorry to
say, thinning it down with the turpentine.

Well, Jock was up on the scaffolding, painting away, the job nearly
done, when suddenly there was a horrendous clap of thunder, and the
sky opened the rain poured down, washing the thin paint from all
over the church and knocking Jock fair off the scaffold to land on
the lawn, among the gravestones, surrounded by telltale puddles of
the thinned and useless paint.

Jock was no fool. He knew this was a judgment from the Almighty, so
he got on his knees and cried: "Oh, God! Forgive me! What should I
do?"

And from the thunder, a mighty voice spoke:
"Repaint! Repaint and thin no more!"

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COMIX IN ASCII
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Famous Cows

________________
(__) ^__^ / \
>----(oo)----> (oo) ( Milk is logical. )
/-------\/ /-------\/ --'\________________/
/ | || / | ||
* ||----|| * ||W---||
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
Steve Martin's cow Mr Spock's cow

() ()
()()
(oo)
/------UU
/ | ||
* ||w---||
^^ ^^
Eh, What's up Doc?

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INTERNET INFO
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! = New entries this week
? = not responding
?? = unknown content, doesn't look like fidonet

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Zone 1: http://www.z1.fidonet.org
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http://texoma.net/~flv
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http://www.was-ist-fido.de/
Fido-IP: http://home.nrh.de/fido/ (English/German)
Region 25: http://www.literary.freeserve.co.uk/net2502/
Region 26: http://www.nemesis.ie
REC 26: http://www.nrgsys.com/orb
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http://Welcome.to/skynetbbs/
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Fidonet Via Internet Hubs

See also: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidoip.html

a @ preceding an individual's name implies a virtual email
address. The email is translated as follows
[email protected] will automatically route to the
appropriate individual's email. Anyone in this list will
also receive routed notice of this feature. In my case, it
would still be [email protected], but you get the idea.

Also, as information is provided to me, I will be adding a
latency field to each node, which is defined as the maximum
time between when the message is received, and when it is
sent on to other nodes, or available to be sent onward,
defined in minutes. A latency of ! implies that there is an
immediate response, and an attempt to deliver immediately
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after processing, or a "MinuteMail System", as it were.

v-email flag [email protected]
| email address or
Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate
| | |latency|
-----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------
Zone 1 | | | |
10/3 @ Brenda Donovan | FTP,UUE,BinkP | 384K,30| n/c
10/345 @ Todd Cochrane | FTP,BinkP,VMOT | T1,! | n/c
12/12 @ Ken Wilson | FTP | T1 | $24mo.
13/25 @ Jim Balcom | FTP | 56k | $20mo.
103/5 @ Mark Luetger | BinkP | 384k,!| n/c
103/153 @ Michael Box | BinkP | aDSL,!| n/c
103/301 @ Joe Jared | BinkP,FTP,NFS | 384k,!| n/c
103/401 @ Warren Bonner | BinkP | aDSL,!| n/c
105/8 | Russ Johnson | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k | n/c
105/72 @ Larry James | FTP, BinkP | aDSL | $50/yr
106/1 @ Matt Bedynek | BinkP, FTP | 128k | n/c
106/6018 | Lawrence Garvin | FTP, VMoT | aDSL,60| n/c
107/453 @ Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo.
140/1 @ Bob Seaborn | FTP,BinkP | T3,30 | $5/$16
167/133 | Stephen Monteith | BinkP | 128k+ | n/c
211/417 @ Korombos | BinkP,UUE,FTP | T1 | n/c
218/109 @ Matt Munson | BinkP,UUE | 33.6k | n/c
244/2 | Kari Suomela | FTP,VMoT,BinkP,UUE| T1,! | $25.00/mo
246/160 @ Mason Vye | FTP, UUE | 56K | n/c
271/140 @ Tom Barstow | UUE,FTP | T1 | n/c
280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo.
342/3 @ Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP | 128K+ | n/c
395/670 | Arthur Stark | BinkD,FTP | 128k | n/c
396/1 @ John Souvestre | FTP,VMoT | T1,10 | $5/mo
396/45 | Marc Lewis | UUE | 33.6 | $26/yr
2604/104 @ Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo
2613/404 @ David Moufarrege | BinkP,FTP,VMoT | 128k+,!| n/c
2624/306 @ David Calafrancesco | VMoT | 33.6 | n/c
3613/2 @ [email protected] | UUE | 28.8 | n/c
3632/84 | Robert Todd |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
3639/93 @ Ross Cassell | FTP, BinkP |128K+,!| n/c
3651/9 @ Jerry Gause | FTP,VMoT | 33.6 | $3/$6
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Zone 2 |
20/11 | Henrik Lindhe | BinkP | ??? | n/c
31/1 | Gabriel Plutzar | BinkP | T1+ | n/c
203/600 | Mikael Karlsson | UUE | 64k | n/c
221/360 @ Tommi Koivula | BinkP,UUE | ??? | n/c
236/205 @ Michael Kaaber | BinkP | ??? | n/c
246/2098 | Volker Imre | BinkP | ??? | n/c
284/800 @ Jeroen VanDeLeur | FTP,UUE | 64k | n/c
292/620 | Eddy Missoul | VMoT, UUE | 64k |N/C
292/624 | Steven Leeman | UUE | 64k | N/C
292/2003 | Eric Vaneberck | BinkP | 768k | n/c
301/1 | Peter Witschi | BinkP | 768k | n/c
332/807 | Roberto Mascolo | BinkP | ??? | n/c
335/535 @ Mario Mure | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k | n/c
335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
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344/201 | Julio Garcia | BinkP | ??? | n/c
346/3 @ Carlos Navarro | UUE | ??? | n/c
382/100 | Sinisa Burina | BinkP | ??? | n/c
406/555 | Ofir Michaeli & | BinkP | ??? | n/c
406/555 | Marius Kaizerman | BinkP | ??? | n/c
423/81 | Milos Bajer | BinkP | ??? | n/c
464/4077 | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE | 19.2 | n/c
465/204 | Va Milushnikov | BinkP | 33.6k | n/c
469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c
480/112 | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k | n/c
2411/413 @ Dennis Dittrich | UUE,BinkP | 64k | n/c
2446/301 @ Lothar Behet | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K | n/c
2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn
5030/115 | Andrey Podkolzin | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5100/8 | Egons Bush | BinkP | ??? | n/c
5020/1159 | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
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Zone 3
633/260 @ Malcolm Miles | FTP,BinkP | 64K | n/c
640/954 | Rick Van Ruth | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c
774/605 @ Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c

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Zone 4
905/100 | Fabian Gervan | VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 128k | n/c
902/18 | Javier Tejedor | UUE | 33,6 | n/c

--
* FTP = Internet File Transfer Protocol
* VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
* UUE = uuencode<->email type transfers
* BinkP = front end mailer for TCPIP networks
* NFS = Linux Networking
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| (Fido Via Internet Hubs column) |
| Columnist: Warren D. Bonner, 1:103/401, [email protected] |
| (Warren uses the pen name "Ol'WDB") |
| Humor: Roy Reed, [email protected] |
| Features: Frank Vest, 1:124/6308.1 |
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