F I D O N E W S --       Volume 14, Number 48          1 December 1997
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               The Christmas Season is Upon Us!


                       Table of Contents
    1. EDITORIAL  ................................................  1
       Talk is cheap?  ...........................................  1
    2. ARTICLES  .................................................  2
       FidoNet on the Internet project starting  .................  2
       FidoNet dies a slow death!  ...............................  3
       Nodelist flags  ...........................................  3
       Responses to articles in 14-47  ........................... 11
       New Echos  ................................................ 12
    3. NET HUMOR  ................................................ 13
       Are programmers that hard to understand?  ................. 13
    4. ADVERTISE YOUR FREE SERVICE/EVENT  ........................ 14
    5. NOTICES  .................................................. 15
       Future History  ........................................... 15
    6. FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING  ................................. 16
       Latest Greatest Software Versions  ........................ 16
    7. FIDONEWS PUBLIC-KEY  ...................................... 20
       FidoNews PGP public-key listing  .......................... 20
    8. FIDONET BY INTERNET  ...................................... 21
    9. FIDONEWS INFORMATION  ..................................... 23
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                                EDITORIAL
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    FidoNet Policy4 is like the weather. It changes depending on where you
    are and everyone talks about it but nobody does anything about it.

    We still don't have an International Coordinator to take the reins of
    this debate and throw the darn thing out.

    Other than that, nothing else is new, either.

    C.B.

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                                ARTICLES
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    From: [email protected] (Dave Carter)
    Date: 26 Nov 97 02:48:07 +0000
    Subject: FOTI (Fidonet On The Internet)
    Organization: The TRAK-ONE! BBS
    To: [email protected]

    Hi Chris,

    For the first time in my life, I'd like to submit something to
    Fidonews please!  :-)

                              --/// Snip ///--

    Hi Folks!,

    FOTI (Fidonet On The Internet) is a new project being coordinated by a
    number of people in the UK with an interest in the future of Fidonet,
    and we're looking for help from any Fidonet echo moderators and
    Fidonet shareware authors around the world.

    FOTI includes sections about Fido-related shareware/freeware programs,
    and echomail conferences available around the world - there is even an
    opportunity for each program or echo to have it's own mini web-site,
    if it doesn't already have one elsewhere :-)

    Initially, it would be great if any author or moderator with WWW
    access could pop onto the site at http://www.trak-one.co.uk/foti, and
    take a look at the format of the information we're already carrying.
    Then, put together some information that you'd like shown (if it's
    already in HTML, then great), and send it to us so that we can include
    it.

    Once you have something to send, please use one of the following
    methods to submit your info:

    * Upload it to ftp://ftp.trak-one.co.uk/incoming (active from Friday
    28th November), and send an e-mail to [email protected]
    telling us it's there (Please give the filename and program/echo-tag
    it refers to).

    * File attach it to an e-mail to [email protected] or netmail
    to me at 2:25/999 or 2:254/60.

    This part of the FOTI project relies on YOU make it a success!

    The site will be updated each Saturday with submissions received
    during the previous week .... Please help - Don't miss out! :-)

    Join us every Saturday at 11 am on the site for live chat about the
    future of Fidonet!

     Cheers,
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      Dave   -[ [email protected] ]-

      FOTI (Fidonet On The Internet) * http://www.trak-one.co.uk/foti

                             --/// Snip ///--

    Thanks,

    Dave

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     | Dave Carter  -[ [email protected] ]-  Fidonet: 2:254/60
     | Sysop of the TRAK-ONE! BBS and Fidonet <> Internet Gateway
     | Data: +44 (0)181-407-0013   Web: http://www.trak-one.co.uk

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    FidoNet dies a slow death!
    by: Bobby Queen 1:3667/5 changes to 1:18/178 on 11/28/97

    Well to show how bad FidoNet is hurting our local Net 3667 is being
    dissolved this week due to the NC/NEC and 3 more BBS's quitting all at
    once.

    This means my node number is being changed to a regional independent
    due to the fact that the next closest net is still LD to me.

    I am going to do my best in the limited time my RC Ken Tuley is giving
    me to try to get enough BBS's here in town hooked up so we can
    resurrect Net 3667 again out of the ashes.

    I think the reason Net 3667 never took off was the NC/NEC was charging
    an outrageous amount of CRP.  That is one of the main problems that is
    still hiding in FidoNet today.

    As the Internet becomes more popular it is hurting us BBS's but it is
    also making it easier for us to get our FidoNet mail and files via FTP
    and other Internet means.  So lets each one contact a few local boards
    this next week that are not in FidoNet and see if we can not reverse
    this backwards slide that FidoNet is in.

    Bobby Queen

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    Nodelist flags

    Publication:    FSP-Z2 (number to be assigned)
    Revision:       6
    Title:          Zone 2 nodelist flags
    Author:         Frank Ellermann, 2:240/5815.1
    Revision Date:  27 November 1997
    Expiry Date:
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------
    Contents:
                    1. Introduction
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                    2. FTS-0005 flags
                    3. User flags
                    4. Approved zone 2 user flags
                    5. Flag implications
                    6. Invalid combinations
                    7. Baud rate field
                    8. Thanks to...
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    1. Introduction
    ---------------
       This document informs about known differences of FidoNet zone 2
       nodelist flags from FTS-0005.003.  The ultimate sources for these
       informations are the current Z2 nodelist epilogue and the setup
       for flag corrections at Z2C, but it may be difficult to get these
       sources for readers in other zones.

    |  All changes since version 5 are marked by a bar at the left edge.
       It is (again) possible to list V32b and V42b in zone 2, upper case
       V32B or V42B is not more enforced.  Currently new flags needed for
       IP-connectivity are under test in zone 2 (only internally), e.g.

       ->   VM      VModem, default port  3141, dummy country code 000-
       ->   IFC     IFCico, default port 60179, dummy country code 000-
       ->   BND     BinkP,  default port 24544, dummy country code 000-
       ->   IP      general IP connectivity,    dummy country code 000-
       ->   TELN    Telnet                      dummy country code 000-


    2. FTS-0005 flags
    -----------------
       The following flags are used as specified in FTS-0005.003:

            CM      Continuous Mail, node accepts mail 24 hours a day
            MO      Mailer Only (no BBS)
            LO      Listed Only, node accepts calls only from listed
                    node numbers in the current FidoNet nodelist

       ->   V21     ITU-T V21      300 bps full duplex (obsolete)
            V22     ITU-T V22     1200 bps full duplex (obsolescent)

    |  In zone 2 the value 1200 in the baud rate field implies V22.  Only
    |  two nodes not supporting at least V22bis, ISDN, or IP still exist
    |  in the zone 2 segment.  Flag V22 is almost obsolete, and V21 is
    |  already removed in Z2.  Both flags should be dropped from the next
    |  FTS-0005 version.

            V29     ITU-T V29     9600 bps half duplex (obsolescent)
       ->   V33     ITU-T V33    14400 bps half duplex (obsolete)

       V33 cannot be used in connecting FidoNet nodes over public dial-up
       lines and is most probably a historical error in FTS-0005.  A very
       similar argument is applicable on V29, all nodes flying this flag
       support at least V32.  Today only one node in Z2 still flies V29,
       and V33 is already removed in Z2.  Both flags should be dropped in
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       the next FTS-0005 version.

            V32     ITU-T V32     9600 bps full duplex
            V32b    ITU-T V32bis 14400 bps full duplex (implies V32)
    |       V34     ITU-T V34    28800 bps full duplex (33600 bps option)

       FTS-0005 specifies V32b and V42b (capital V and small b), current
       nodelist practice in FidoNet shows all combinations of small and
       capital letters for flags.  This was no problem before FSC-0062
       introduced case-sensitive flags.  The best solution is to stick to
       the current practice and treat all old flags as case-insensitive.

            H96     Hayes V9600
            HST     USR Courier HST up to 9600  (implies MNP)
            H14     USR Courier HST up to 14400 (implies HST)
       ->   H16     USR Courier HST up to 16800 (implies H14 and V42b)
            MAX     Microcom AX/96xx series (almost obsolete)
            PEP     Packet Ensemble Protocol
            CSP     Compucom Speedmodem
       ->   ZYX     Zyxel series 16800 bps (implies V32b and V42b)
       ->   V32T    V.32 Terbo   19200 bps (implies V32b)
            VFC     V.Fast Class 28800 bps (should imply V32b and V42b)

       If a flag directly or indirectly implies other flags, then these
       other flags are not shown in a nodelist entry, because this would
       be redundant.  Unfortunately the rules for redundancies in zone 2
       and FTS-0005 are different.  Zone 2 continued to avoid redundancy
       with most "new" flags, but FTS-0005.003 specified no redundancies
       for "new" flags like ZYX, H16, V32T, or VFC.  "New" flags in this
       context are flags approved by FidoNet International Coordinators
       since 1989, when FTS-0005.TXT, the predecesssor of FTS-0005.003,
       was published.

       For details see the chapter "implications" below, for now only
       note, that in zone 2 H16 implies V42b, ZYX implies V32b and V42b,
       and V32T implies V32b.

       Zone 1 and zone 2 have introduced a user flag Z19 approved by the
       corresponding Zone Coordinator.  User flags are discussed later,
       for now only note, that in zone 2 ZYX is specified as Zyxel 16k8,
       while FTS-0005.003 not knowing Z19 specifies ZYX as generic flag
       for all Zyxel protocol speeds.

       Today only one node in FidoNet still really flies MAX, this flag
       is obsolete and should be dropped from FTS-0005.  The flags CSP
       (7 nodes worldwide) and H96 should be marked as obsolescent.

    |       MNP     Microcom Networking Protocol 2-4 error correction
    |       V42     ITU-T LAP-M error correction w/ fallback to MNP 2-4
    |       V42b    ITU-T V.42bis BTLZ data compression over V.42 LAP-M

       The next version of FTS-0005 should adopt the better V42b and
       MNP definitions of the zone 3 nodelist epilogue.  FTS-0005.003
       specifies an implication of V42 by V42b, but the exact meaning of
       the flag MNP is unclear.  Most probably this flag was meant to
    |  indicate support of MNP 2-4, and in this sense V42 implies MNP.
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    |  Note the difference between the flag V42b (implying V42) and the
    |  standard V.42bis (not necessarily based on LAP-M as data link
    |  layer protocol), without this difference the flag V42b would be
    |  ambiguous for combined modem and ISDN node entries.

            MN      No compression supported in insecure inbound

            XA      Bark and WaZOO file/update requests
            XB      Bark file/update requests, WaZOO file requests
            XC      Bark file requests, WaZOO file/update requests
            XP      Bark file/update requests
            XR      Bark and WaZOO file requests
            XW      WaZOO file requests
            XX      WaZOO file/update requests

       These flags are equivalent in FTS-0005 and in the zone 2 segment.

            Gx..x   Gateway to domain 'x..x'

       Valid values for this flag are assigned by the Fido International
       Coordinator, FTS-0005.003 explicitly mentions GUUCP.  In zone 2
       only GUUCP gateways are flagged.

            #01     Zone 5 mail hour (01:00 - 02:00 UTC) w/ Bell 212A
            #02     Zone 2 mail hour (02:30 - 03:30 UTC) w/ Bell 212A
       ->   #08     Zone 4 mail hour (08:00 - 09:00 UTC) w/ Bell 212A
            #09     Zone 1 mail hour (09:00 - 10:00 UTC) w/ Bell 212A
            #18     Zone 3 mail hour (18:00 - 19:00 UTC) w/ Bell 212A
            #20     Zone 6 mail hour (20:00 - 21:00 UTC) w/ Bell 212A

       The variants !01, !02, !08, !09, !18, and !20 indicate missing
       Bell 212A support.  In zone 2 #02 or !02 would be obviously
       redundant.

       Today less than four 1200 modems (V22 or Bell 212A) are listed.
       A future version of FTS-0005 should drop !mn variants together
       with V21 and V22 flags.

       Further most non-CM systems flagging #mn or !mn today probably
       want to show additional online times instead of additional mail
       hours.  As soon as FSC-0062 flags have been approved by the IC
       or adopted as FTS by the FTSC, the following version of FTS-0005
       should mark #mn as obsolescent and recommend the more flexible
       FSC-0062 flags (see below).


    3. User flags
    -------------
       An example for one of several problems in zone 2 with user flags:

            ...,U,Z19,V110H,V120L,V120H,X75,ENC,NEC

       These flags indicate a modern Zyxel ISDN-modem and two additional
       user flags ENC and NEC.  This possible user flags string contains
       34 characters, but at most 32 characters are allowed in FTS-0005.

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            ...,U,Z19,V110L,V110H,X75,ISDNA,ISDNB,ISDNC

       During the period for the replacement of old by new ISDN flags
       (several months !) many nodes listed both old and new flags for
       maximal compatibility, and no problems with nodelist compilers
       or mailers caused by too long user flags strings were reported.

       Therefore the length limit in FTS-0005 is probably unnecessary
       and at least inconsequent:  Other nodelist fields like the system
       name are unlimited, so why only restrict the user flags string ?
       To help developpers an upper limit of e.g. 255 characters for a
       nodelist line and 63 characters for fields 3 to 6 would be more
       useful.

       The next problem with user flag strings as specified in FTS-0005
       is their introduction by the letter U with no comma following:

       Nodelist compilers could parse ...,UISDN,USR in user flags ISDN
       and USR.  But USR cannot be approved as "real" flag, because the
       combination ...,USR,UISDN would then be parsed in SR and UISDN.

       Other side effects of the FTS-0005 specification are additional
       difficulties in finding flags.  Almost all flags are separated
       by a comma, only the first user flag can be an exception to this
       simple rule.  If the order of user flags has no meaning, then...

            ...,UV120L,V120H
            ...,UV120H,V120L

       ... are equivalent.  A "simple" solution of this problem could be
       to treat UV120L as synonym for V120L, and UV120H as synonym for
       V120H.  Similar problems show up, if user flags are counted, etc.

       Obviously a nodelist compiler looking for user flags has always
       to consider the case "user flag separated by comma".  In zone 2
       this idea was simply extended to the first user flag:

       All flags are separated by commas.  Flags not yet approved by the
       International Coordinator or the FTSC (i.e. user flags only used
       experimentally or locally) are separated by a new pseudo flag U.

       ->   U       pseudo flag to the left of at least one user flag

       All flags following this pseudo flag U are user flags, all flags
       before this pseudo flag are "real" flags specified in FTS-0005 or
       approved by the International Coordinator.

       Because this definition should be compatible with any reasonable
       software implementation based on FTS-0005.003, and simplifies the
       handling of user flags significantly, a future FTS-0005 version
       will hopefully adopt it.


    4. Approved zone 2 user flags
    -----------------------------
       In zone 2 user flags have to be approved by the Zone Coordinator.
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       Currently the following zone 2 user flags exist:

       ->   V110L   ITU-T V.110 19k2 async 'Low'    (former ISDNA)
       ->   V110H   ITU-T V.110 38k4 async 'High'   (former ISDNB)
       ->   V120L   ITU-T V.120 56k6 async, N1 = 259, W = 7, modulo 8
       ->   V120H   ITU-T V.120 64k  async, N1 = 259, W = 7, modulo 8
       ->   X75     ITU-T X.75 SLP (single link procedure),
                    64kbit/s B channel; layer 2 max. framesize N1 = 2048,
                    window size W = 2, frame numbering modulo 8;
                    layer 3 transparent (no packet layer)
       ->   ISDN    Other configuration, used only if none of above fits

       These ISDN flags follow the specification in FSC-0091.

       ->   Tyz     Online time flags as specified in FSC-0062

       The flag Tyz is used by non-CM nodes online not only during ZMH,
       y is a letter indicating the start and z a letter indicating the
       end of the online period as defined below (times in UTC):

            A  0:00,  a  0:30,   B  1:00,  b  1:30,   C  2:00,  c  2:30,
            D  3:00,  d  3:30,   E  4:00,  e  4:30,   F  5:00,  f  5:30,
            G  6:00,  g  6:30,   H  7:00,  h  7:30,   I  8:00,  i  8:30,
            J  9:00,  j  9:30,   K 10:00,  k 10:30,   L 11:00,  l 11:30,
            M 12:00,  m 12:30,   N 13:00,  n 13:30,   O 14:00,  o 14:30,
            P 15:00,  p 15:30,   Q 16:00,  q 16:30,   R 17:00,  r 17:30,
            S 18:00,  s 18:30,   T 19:00,  t 19:30,   U 20:00,  u 20:30,
            V 21:00,  v 21:30,   W 20:00,  w 20:30,   X 23:00,  x 23:30.

       For example TuB shows an online period from 20:30 until 1:00 UTC.

       ->   Z19     Zyxel series 19200 bps (implies ZYX)
       ->   X2C     x2 client w/ 56000 bps (should imply V34 and V42b)
       ->   X2S     x2 server w/ 64000 bps (should imply V34 and V42b)

       ->   K12     Systems offering all educational K12-conferences
       ->   ENC     The node accepts inbound encrypted mail

       ->   NC      Network Coordinator (only if the NC is not the host)
       ->   NEC     Net Echomail Coordinator    (at most one per net)
       ->   REC     Region Echomail Coordinator (at most one per region)

       Redundant AKAs used to indicate echomail coordination in zone 2
       are no longer permitted.  One *EC flag is valid for all AKAs of
       a given sysop.


    5. Flag implications
    --------------------
       Flag implications directly or indirectly specified in FTS-0005:

            HST     => MNP
            H14     => MNP HST
            H16     => MNP HST H14
            V42b    => V42 (MNP ?)
            V32b    => V32
    FIDONEWS 14-48               Page 9                    1 Dec 1997


       Flag implications specified in the zone 2 nodelist epilogue:

            HST     => MNP
            H14     => HST MNP
       ->   H16     => V42 MNP V42b H14 HST
       ->   V42b    => V42 MNP
       ->   ZYX     => V42 MNP V42b V32 V32b
       ->   Z19     => V42 MNP V42b V32 V32b ZYX
            V32b    => V32
       ->   V32T    => V32 V32b

       ->   V110L   => ISDN
       ->   V110H   => ISDN
       ->   V120L   => ISDN
       ->   V120H   => ISDN
       ->   X75     => ISDN

       The latter ISDN flag redundancies are a consequence of FSC-0091.
       Maybe some of the following implications could be added in zone 2:

            VFC     => V32 V32b MNP V42 V42b
            X2C     => V34 MNP V42 V42b
            X2S     => V34 MNP V42 V42b

       Flag implications (i.e. not listing redundant flags) have several
       advantages:  Some old nodelist tools are unable to handle too long
       lines.  Old flags like HST, MNP, V42, or V32 vanish automatically,
       if they are implied by H16, V42b, V32b, or better.  Redundancies
       defined globally for the whole nodelist help to avoid flag errors.


    6. Invalid combinations
    -----------------------
       All file request flags exclude each other (at most 1 is possible):
       XA, XB, XC, XP, XR, XW, and XX.  For flag checkers only supporting
       implications a good approximation based on FTS-0005 definitions is

    |       XA      => XW XR XP XB XC XX,
    |       XB      => XW XR XP,
    |       XC      => XW XR XX,
    |       XR      => XW,
    |       XX      => XW.

       Further X2C cannot be combined with X2S, and FSC-62 Tyz-flags are
       not possible with CM.  Also Tyz with y = z is of course incorrect.

       Some modem protocols are "proprietary" in a sense, that all today
       known modems can fly at most one of the corresponding modem flags:
       MAX, CSP, H96, PEP, HST, H14, H16, ZYX, and Z19.

       A few "old" modem protocol flags are known to be invalid if used
       together with "new" protocol flags, i.e. each "old" flag excludes
       all "new" flags and vice versa:

       "Old" in this sense are MAX, CSP, H96, HST, H14, V32, and PEP.
       "New" in this sense are X2S, X2C, V34, VFC, V32T, and H16.
    FIDONEWS 14-48               Page 10                   1 Dec 1997


       For Z2 add ZYX as "old" and Z19 as "new".  A simple REXX script to
       test some known inconsistencies is available as NLSCHECK.REX at
       the site of the author.  While erroneously listing redundant flags
       causes no harm, other errors like combining V34 with HST or Z19
       with H16 indicate serious problems, which can result in connection
       failures or other damage.


    7. Baud rate field
    ------------------
       The baud rate field 7 in the nodelist as specified in FTS-0005 is
       nearly useless today:  Except from a few remaining 1200 and 2400
       nodes almost all nodelist entries show either 9600 for all modem
       protocols better than V22bis or 300 for ISDN (or IP) only nodes.
       No more V21 or Bell 103 modems are listed for more than 2 years.

       The baud rate values 19200 and 38400 specified in FTS-0005.003
       have not been used in the FidoNet nodelist.  So all a reasonable
       nodelist compiler can do today, is treat 300 as indicator for
       ISDN or IP only, and treat unknown or missing values in field 7
       like 9600.

       A new meaning for field 7 as speed field could be really useful.
       An example is ZYX, if we would have 16800, 19200, 28800, and 33600
       as speed values, then their combination with ZYX is all we need
       technically, Z19 would be unnecessary.  Another example is HST,
       flags H14 and H16 are unnecessary, if HST is combined with 9600,
       14400, 16800, 28800, or better.  Variants of PEP could be shown in
       the speed field without new flags.  "Enhanced V32.terbo" could be
       shown by 21600.

       Most important:  V34 may have the famous bug not allowing connects
       from new "V34+", unless the caller disabled symbol rate 3429.  If
       "V34+" is indicated by speed 33600 or better, then an appropriate
       setup for all kinds of V34 connects is possible.

       A future version of FTS-0005 hopefully allows the following speed
       values in field 7:

              300   reserved for ISDN or IP only (for historical reasons)
             1200   obsolete (either V.22 in Z2 / Z3, or Bell 212A in Z1)
             2400   implies V22bis, qualifies as least common denominator
             9600   default, used with PEP, V32, HST, H96, (CSP), (MAX)
            12000   rare variant of V32
            14400   used with V32b or HST (obsoleting H14)
            16800   used with ZYX  or HST (obsoleting H16)
            19200   used with V32T or ZYX (obsoleting Z19)
            21600   rare variant of V32T (no "H21" needed)
            28800   used with VFC or V34
            33600   used with V34 (no V34+ or V34b needed)
    |       56000   used with X2C, X2S, or V.PCM

       Allowing more than 12 speed values or allowing speed values above
       64000 could break existing software (MakeNL, V7).  Therefore the
       next step in FidoNet could be, to add 12000, 14400, 16800, 19200,
       21600, 28800, 33600, and 56000, where 19200 is already specified
    FIDONEWS 14-48               Page 11                   1 Dec 1997


       in FTS-5 since 1989.


    8. Thanks to...
    ---------------
       Ben Baker            St. Louis nodelist format
       Rick Moore           FTS-0005.TXT
       David Nugent         FTS-0005.003 and NLTOOLS
       Jonny Bergdahl       ERRFLAGS 2.6
       Ward Dossche         Zone 2 nodelist epilogue
       David J. Thomas      FSC-0062.003 (FRL-0062)
       Jan Ceuleers         FSC-0075.001 (FRL-0075)
       Arjen Lentz          FSC-0091.001 (FRL-0091)
       Leonard Erickson     CHECKNL 2.14 and many discussions in NET_DEV
       Jim Barchuk          LNDL 2.7
       Marius Ellen         FASTV7 2.04
    |  Jan Vermeulen, Ian Smith, Gisbert Rudolph, Carlos Fernandez Sanz,
    |  Tom Schlangen, Craig Ford, Pedro Lima, and many others...

    - eof -

    -----------------------------------------------------------------

    Responses to articles in 14-47
    by Lee Kindness, [email protected]

    A number of responses from articles in FIDONEWS 14-47


    Things really do from bad to worse...

     > From: Rich Veraa
     > Subj: Unsolved Mysteries, "How far from Ontario to Malaysia?"
     > Host,163,Ottawa_163,Ottawa_ON,Christine_Labonte,
     >  1-613-742-7612,9600,XA,CM,V42b,V32b
     > ,134,Valley_of_Wind,Kuala_Lumpur_MALAYSIA,Maulvi_Bakar,
     >  60-3-712-5570,9600,V34, V32b,V42b,ZYX,MNP,CM,XA
     > Does anyone know howcome a net in Ontario lists a node in Malasia?

    And can I ask you why it matters? This sort of geographical nonsense
    is damaging to Fidonet - it merely gives some "power hungry fiends"
    something to worry about. Do a bit of research and find out about
    Fidonet in Asia and you might see why a node would want to be in zones
    1 or 2...

     > From: "Piotr Kosibowicz" <[email protected]>
     > Subject: How to defend against defaming in a public
     > conference?, "Echomail defamation?"
     > I am writing for the advice how to force a fidouser to send
     > an apology note to a Polish conference BUY_SELL.POL.

    Dry your eyes man. Fidonet is not about forcing anyone to do
    anything.

     > From: Steve Woodmore <[email protected]>
     > Subject: Re: have your retired again?, "Ex-ZEC2 confirms
    FIDONEWS 14-48               Page 12                   1 Dec 1997


     > leaving FidoNet"
     > The same old thing, every time you try and achieve
     > something, there are always people being destructive
     > and disruptive. [...]

    Life then?

     > Come and visit the worlds fastest talker If you thought
     > you could talk fast, then you are wrong As featured in
     > the 1990,1991,1992,1993,1994,1995,1996,1997 Guinness Book of

    <Yawn>, yes Steve - but you never could COMMUNICATE!


    But it's nice to see some people still doing the 'decent' thing. Hail
    Damian Walker and congratulations to Odinn Sorensen, lets hope you're
    a touch more active than Mr. Nugent was in his later years as FTSCC.

    -----------------------------------------------------------------

    New Echos you may not be aware of!
    by: Bobby Queen 1:3667/5 changing to 1:18/178 on 11/28/97

    I just wanted to make everyone aware of some new echos that i have
    been able to get backboned recently.  Some are a month old or older
    but not many participants yet.

    LORD2_CHAT   These 3 are devoted to Lord II the new Online game from
    LORD2_SYSOP  Seth Able Robinson the author of the original L.O.R.D.
    LORD2_IGM    and Planets TEOS!
    IRC_CHAT     These are real new and are devoted to Internet Relay
    IRC_SCRIPTS  Chat discussions known as IRC.
    ART_BELL     Devoted to discussing the Art Bell show.

    Then here are some older ones that I recently updated or are still
    needing participants.

    ET_SIGHTINGS  Devoted to sightings of Extra Terrestrials.
    I_UFO         May soon be merged with ET_SIGHTINGS.  Watch for a
                  notice on this in the future.
    WILDCAT4     For discussions pertaining to the dos version of Wildcat.
    WC4DOS       For discussions pertaining to the dos version of Wildcat.

    And then 2 that are going strong but I still welcome more of you to
    AREAFIX.

    NASCAR       For discussions of NASCAR stock car racing in all forms.
    CLASSIFIEDS  For individuals to buy, sell and trade their personal
                 items.

    So AREAFIX your choices today and join in on the fun in all these
    exciting echos.

    Bobby Queen

    -----------------------------------------------------------------
    FIDONEWS 14-48               Page 13                   1 Dec 1997


    =================================================================
                                NET HUMOR
    =================================================================

    From: "Mike Riddle" <[email protected]>
    To: "Baker, Christopher" <[email protected] (Christopher Baker)>
    Date: Mon, 24 Nov 97 08:49:22 -0600
    Reply-To: "Mike Riddle" <[email protected]>
    Subject: FWD - Humor

    ==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE==================

    A man was walking along the beach and found a bottle.  He looked
    around and didn't see anyone so he opened the bottle.  A genie
    appeared and thanked the man for letting him out.  The genie said, "I
    am so grateful to get out of that bottle that I will grant you one
    wish." I can only grant one."

    The man thought for a while and finally said, "I have always wanted to
    go to Hawaii.  I've never been able to go because I cannot fly.
    Airplanes are too frightening for me.  On a boat, I see all that water
    and I become very claustrophobic.  So I wish for a road to be built
    from here to Hawaii.  The genie thought for a few minutes and finally
    said, "No, I don't think I can do that.  Just think of all the work
    involved.  Consider all the pilings needed to hold up a highway and
    how deep they would have to go to reach the bottom of the ocean.
    Imagine all the pavement needed.  No, that is just too much to ask."

    The man thought for a few minutes and then told the genie, "There is
    one other thing I have always wanted.  I would like to be able to
    understand programmers.  What makes them laugh and cry, why are they
    temperamental, why are they so difficult to get along with.
    Basically, what makes them tick."

    The genie considered for a few minutes and said, "So, do you want two
    lanes or four?"

    ===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE===================

     -30-

    -----------------------------------------------------------------

    FIDONEWS 14-48               Page 14                   1 Dec 1997


    =================================================================
                    ADVERTISE YOUR FREE SERVICE/EVENT
    =================================================================

     *Announcing the WRESTLING_CHAT Echo

    Emanuel Edwards
    1:348/963
    [email protected]
                    __       __ ___ __
                    \ \  /\ / // __\\ \  /\ / /
                     \ \/ // /| |    \ \/ // /
                      \  // / | |___  \  // /                       <WCW>
                       \/ \/   \___/   \/ \/

                       _____    __    ___
                       \  \ \  /  \  / _____/
                        \  \ \/ /\ \/ /_____                 <WWF>
                         \  \  /  \  / ____/
                          \  \/ /\ \/ /
                           \___/  \__/

    Hello All Sysops & Co_Sysops:

    What is the biggest problem on fidonet these days?  Most users are
    leaving fidonet and going on the internet.  Well if you want to get
    more users on your BBS I suggest you request the WRESTLING_CHAT  on
    your BBS.

    The WRESTLING_CHAT provide all the latest news, rumors, Scoops and
    Upcoming events in the Wrestling world.  Plus the users can enjoy
    chatting about the sport with other great wrestling fans.  The
    WRESTLING_CHAT provide a great atmosphere for the users on your BBS.

    If you need additional information please contact me either on my
    fidonet or internet address.

    Thank you

    Emanuel  Fidonet 1:348/963
                       Internet  [email protected]

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    FIDONEWS 14-48               Page 15                   1 Dec 1997


    =================================================================
                                 NOTICES
    =================================================================

                               Future History

    10 Dec 1997
       Nobel Day, Sweden.

    12 Jan 1998
       HAL 9000 is one year old today.

    30 Apr 1998
       Queens Day, Holland.

    17 May 1998
       Independence Day, Norway.

    22 May 1998
       Expo '98 World Exposition in Lisbon (Portugal) opens.

    14 Sep 1998
       Start of International BBS Week [thru 20 Sep 98].

    22 Sep 1998
       First anniversary of the FidoNews domain of www.fidonews.org.

     1 Dec 1998
       Fifteenth Anniversary of release of Fido version 1 by
       Tom Jennings.

    24 Jul 1999
       XIII Pan American Games [through 8 Aug 99].

    31 Dec 1999
       Hogmanay, Scotland. The New Year that can't be missed.

     1 Jan 2000
       The 20th Century, C.E., is still taking place thru 31 Dec.

     1 Jun 2000
       EXPO 2000 World Exposition in Hannover (Germany) opens.

    15 Sep 2000
       Sydney (Australia) Summer Olympiad opens.

     1 Jan 2001
       This is the actual start of the new millennium, C.E.

    -- If YOU have something which you would like to see in this
       Future History, please send a note to the FidoNews Editor.

    -----------------------------------------------------------------

    FIDONEWS 14-48               Page 16                   1 Dec 1997


    =================================================================
                        FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING
    =================================================================

    Latest Greatest Software Versions
    by Peter E. Popovich, 1:363/264

    Got a little behind here. With one exception that requires a bit of
    clarification, this catches things up.

    -=- Snip -=-

    Submission form for the Latest Greatest Software Versions column

    OS Platform                             :
    Software package name                   :
    Version                                 :
    Function(s) - BBS, Mailer, Tosser, etc. :
    Freeware / Shareware / Commercial?      :
    Author / Support staff contact name     :
    Author / Support staff contact node     :
    Magic name (at the above-listed node)   :

    Please include a sentence describing what the package does.

    Please send updates and suggestions to: Peter Popovich, 1:363/264

    -=- Snip -=-

    MS-DOS:
    Program Name   Version  F C Contact Name      Node        Magic Name
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    Act-Up         4.6      G D Chris Gunn        1:15/55     ACT-UP
    ALLFIX         4.40     T S Harald Harms      2:281/415   ALLFIX
    Announcer      1.12     O S Peter Karlsson    2:206/221   ANNOUNCE
    BGFAX          1.60     O S B.J. Guillot      1:106/400   BGFAX
    Binkley Docs   2.60     M F Bob Juge          1:1/102     BDOC_260.ZIP
    BinkleyTerm    2.60     M F Bob Juge          1:1/102     BDOS_260.ZIP
    BinkleyTerm-XE XR5      M F Thomas Waldmann   2:2474/400  BTXE_DOS
    CFRoute        0.92     O G C. Fernandez Sanz 2:341/70    CFR
    CheckPnt       1.0a     O G Michiel vd Vlist  2:500/9     CHECKPNT
    FastEcho       1.46.1   T S Tobias Burchhardt 2:2448/400  FASTECHO
    FastEcho/16    1.46.1   T S Tobias Burchhardt 2:2448/400  FEX
    FastLst        1.36     N S Alberto Pasquale  2:332/504   FASTLSTD
    FidoBBS (tm)   12u      B S Ray Brown         1:1/117     FILES
    FrontDoor      2.12     M S JoHo              2:201/330   FD
    FrontDoor      2.20c    M C JoHo              2:201/330   FDINFO
    GEcho          1.00     T S Bob Seaborn       1:140/12    GECHO
    GEcho/Plus     1.11     T C Bob Seaborn       1:140/12    GECHO
    GEcho/Pro      1.20     T C Bob Seaborn       1:140/12    GECHO
    GIGO           07-14-96 G S Jason Fesler      1:1/141     INFO
    GoldED         2.50     O S Len Morgan        1:203/730   GED
    GoldED/386     2.50     O S Len Morgan        1:203/730   GEX
    GoldED Docs    2.50     O S Len Morgan        1:203/730   GEM
    GoldNODE       2.50     O S Len Morgan        1:203/730   GEN
    Imail          1.75     T S Michael McCabe    1:1/121     IMAIL
    FIDONEWS 14-48               Page 17                   1 Dec 1997


    ImCrypt        1.04     O G Michiel vd Vlist  2:500/9     IMCRYPT
    InfoMail/86    1.21     O F Damian Walker     2:2502/666  INFOMAIL
    InfoMail/386   1.21     O F Damian Walker     2:2502/666  INFO386
    InterEcho      1.19     T C Peter Stewart     1:369/35    IEDEMO
    InterMail      2.29k    M C Peter Stewart     1:369/35    IMDEMO
    InterPCB       1.52     O S Peter Stewart     1:369/35    INTERPCB
    IPNet          1.11     O S Michele Stewart   1:369/21    IPNET
    JD's CBV       1.4      O S John Dailey       1:363/277   CBV
    Jelly-Bean     1.01     T S Rowan Crowe       3:635/727   JELLY
    Jelly-Bean/386 1.01     T S Rowan Crowe       3:635/727   JELLY386
    JMail-Hudson   2.81     T S Jason Steck       1:285/424   JMAIL-H
    JMail-Goldbase 2.81     T S Jason Steck       1:285/424   JMAIL-G
    MakePl         1.9      N G Michiel vd Vlist  2:500/9     MAKEPL
    Marena         1.1 beta O G Michiel vd Vlist  2:500/9     MARENA
    Maximus        3.01     B P Tech              1:249/106   MAX
    Max User Ed.   0.18     O F Larry Cooke       1:300/53    MUE
    McMail         1.0      M S Michael McCabe    1:1/148     MCMAIL
    MDNDP          1.18     N S Bill Doyle        1:388/7     MDNDP
    Msged          4.10     O G Andrew Clarke     3:635/728   MSGED41D.ZIP
    Msged/386      4.10     O G Andrew Clarke     3:635/728   MSGED41X.ZIP
    NEF            2.38     O S Alberto Pasquale  2:332/504   NEFD
    NorthStar      3.31.29  B S A&B Darin         1:285/82    NSTAR
    Opus CBCS      1.79     B P Christopher Baker 1:374/14    OPUS
    O/T-Track      2.66     O S Peter Hampf       2:241/1090  OT
    PcMerge        2.8      N G Michiel vd Vlist  2:500/9     PCMERGE
    PlatinumXpress 1.3      M C Gary Petersen     1:290/111   PX13TD.ZIP
    QuickBBS       2.81     B S Ben Schollnick    1:2613/477  QUICKBBS
    RAR            2.01     C S Ron Dwight        2:220/22    RAR
    RemoteAccess   2.50     B S Mark Lewis        1:3634/12   RA
    Searchlight    4.5      B S Paul Casey        1:343/117   DEMO450.ZIP
    Searchlight    5.02     B C Paul Casey        1:343/117   SLBBS50.TXT
    Silver Xpress
      Door         5.4      O S Gary Petersen     1:290/111   FILES
      Reader       4.4      O S Gary Petersen     1:290/111   SXR44.ZIP
    Spitfire       3.51     B S Mike Weaver       1:3670/3    SPITFIRE
    Squish         1.11     T P Tech              1:249/106   SQUISH
    StealTag UK    1.c...   O F Fred Schenk       2:284/412   STEAL_UK
    StealTag NL    1.c...   O F Fred Schenk       2:284/412   STEAL_NL
    T-Mail         2.600    M S Ron Dwight        2:220/22    TMAIL
    Telegard       3.02     B F Tim Strike        1:259/423   TELEGARD
    Terminate      5.00     O S Bo Bendtsen       2:254/261   TERMINATE
    Tobruk         0.33     T G Paul Edwards      3:711/934   TOBRUK
    TosScan        1.01     T C JoHo              2:201/330   TSINFO
    TransNet       1.00     G S Marc S. Ressl     4:904/72    TN100ALL.ZIP
    TriBBS         11.0     B S Gary Price        1:3607/26   TRIBBS
    TriDog         11.0     T F Gary Price        1:3607/26   TRIDOG
    TriToss        11.0     T S Gary Price        1:3607/26   TRITOSS
    WaterGate      0.93     G S Robert Szarka     1:320/42    WTRGATE
    WWIV           4.24a    B S Craig Dooley      1:376/126   WWIV
    WWIVTOSS       1.36     T S Craig Dooley      1:376/126   WWIVTOSS
    xMail          2.00     T S Thorsten Franke   2:2448/53   XMAIL
    XRobot         3.01     O S JoHo              2:201/330   XRDOS

    OS/2:
    Program Name   Version  F C Contact Name      Node        Magic Name
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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    ALLFIX/2       1.10     T S Harald Harms      2:281/415   AFIXOS2
    BGFAX          1.60     O S B.J. Guillot      1:106/400   BGFAX
    Binkley Docs   2.60     M F Bob Juge          1:1/102     BDOC_260.ZIP
    BinkleyTerm    2.60     M F Bob Juge          1:1/102     BOS2_260.ZIP
    BinkleyTerm-XE XR5      M F Thomas Waldmann   2:2474/400  BTXE_OS2
    CFRoute        0.92     O G C. Fernandez Sanz 2:341/70    CFR
    FastEcho       1.46.1   T S Tobias Burchhardt 2:2448/400  FE2
    FastLst        1.36     N S Alberto Pasquale  2:332/504   FASTLST
    FleetStreet    1.21     O S Michael Hohner    2:2490/2520 FLEET
    FP-OS/2        97-03-21 O F Mike Bilow        323/107     FPOS2
    GEcho/Pro      1.20     T C Bob Seaborn       1:140/12    GECHO
    GIGO           07-14-96 G S Jason Fesler      1:1/141     INFO
    GoldED         2.50     O S Len Morgan        1:203/730   GEO
    GoldED Docs    2.50     O S Len Morgan        1:203/730   GEM
    GoldNODE       2.50     O S Len Morgan        1:203/730   GEN
    ImCrypt        1.04     O G Michiel vd Vlist  2:500/9     IMCRYPT
    Maximus        3.01     B P Tech              1:249/106   MAXP
    Max User Ed.   0.18     O F Larry Cooke       1:300/53    MUEP
    Msged/2        4.10     O G Andrew Clarke     3:635/728   MSGED41O.ZIP
    NEF            2.38     O S Alberto Pasquale  2:332/504   NEF
    PcMerge        2.3      N G Michiel vd Vlist  2:500/9     PCMERGE
    RAR            2.01     C S Ron Dwight        2:220/22    RAR2
    Squish         1.11     T P Tech              1:249/106   SQUISHP
    T-Mail         2.600    M S Ron Dwight        2:220/22    TMAIL2
    Tobruk         0.33     T G Paul Edwards      3:711/934   TOBRUK
    WaterGate      0.93     G S Robert Szarka     1:320/42    WTRGATE
    XRobot         3.01     O S JoHo              2:201/330   XROS2

    Windows (16-bit apps):
    Program Name   Version  F C Contact Name      Node        Magic Name
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    BeeMail        1.0      M C Andrius Cepaitis  2:470/1     BEEMAIL
    FrontDoor APX  1.12     P S Mats Wallin       2:201/329   FDAPXW

    Windows (32-bit apps):
    Program Name   Version  F C Contact Name      Node        Magic Name
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    Argus 95/IP    2.704    M S Max Masyutin      2:469/77    A9I
    Argus NT/IP    2.704    M S Max Masyutin      2:469/77    ANI
    BeeMail        1.0      M C Andrius Cepaitis  2:470/1     BEEMAIL
    Binkley Docs   2.60     M F Bob Juge          1:1/102     BDOC_260.ZIP
    BinkleyTerm    2.60     M F Bob Juge          1:1/102     BW32_260.ZIP
    BinkleyTerm-XE XR5      M F Thomas Waldmann   2:2474/400  BTXE_W32
    CFRoute        0.92     O G C. Fernandez Sanz 2:341/70    CFR
    FastLst        1.36     N S Alberto Pasquale  2:332/504   FASTLSTW
    GoldED         2.50     O S Len Morgan        1:203/730   GEO
    GoldED Docs    2.50     O S Len Morgan        1:203/730   GEM
    Maximus        3.01     B P Tech              1:249/106   MAXN
    Msged/NT       4.10     O G Andrew Clarke     3:635/728   MSGED41W.ZIP
    NEF            2.38     O S Alberto Pasquale  2:332/504   NEFW
    PlatinumXpress 2.00     M C Gary Petersen     1:290/111   PXW-INFO
    Searchlight    5.02     B C Paul Casey        1:343/117   SLBBS50.TXT
    T-Mail         2.600    M S Ron Dwight        2:220/22    TMAILNT
    WinFOSSIL/95   1.12 r4  F S Bryan Woodruff    1:343/294   WNFOSSIL.ZIP
    WinFOSSIL/NT   1.0 beta F S Bryan Woodruff    1:343/294   NTFOSSIL.ZIP

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    Unix:
    Program Name   Version  F C Contact Name      Node        Magic Name
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    ifmail         2.12     M G Eugene Crosser    2:293/2219  IFMAIL
    ifmail-tx      ...tx8.6 M G Pablo Saratxaga   2:293/2219  IFMAILTX
    ifmail-tx.rpm  ...tx8.6 M G Pablo Saratxaga   2:293/2219  IFMAILTX.RPM
    Msged          4.00     O G Paul Edwards      3:711/934   MSGED
    Tobruk         0.33     T G Paul Edwards      3:711/934   TOBRUK

    Amiga:
    Program Name   Version  F C Contact Name      Node        Magic Name
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    CrashMail      1.31     T X Rene Laederach    2:301/133   CRASHMAIL
    CrashTick      1.2      O F Rene Laederach    2:301/133   CRASHTICK
    DLG Pro BBOS   1.15     B C Holly Sullivan    1:202/720   DLGDEMO
    GMS            1.1.85   M S Mirko Viviani     2:331/213   GMS
    Msged          4.00     O G Paul Edwards      3:711/934   MSGED
    Tobruk         0.33     T G Paul Edwards      3:711/934   TOBRUK
    TrapDoor       1.86.b2  M S Maximilian Hantsch
                                                  2:310/6     TRAPDOOR
    TrapToss       1.50     T S Rene Hexel        2:310/6     TRAPTOSS

    Atari:
    Program Name   Version  F C Contact Name      Node        Magic Name
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    ApplyList      1.00     N F Daniel Roesen     2:2432/1101 APLST100.LZH
    BinkleyTerm/ST 3.18pl2  M F Bill Scull        1:363/112   BINKLEY
    BTNC           2.00     N G Daniel Roesen     2:2432/1101 BTNC
    JetMail        0.99beta T S Joerg Spilker     2:2432/1101 JETMAIL
    Semper         0.80beta M S Jan Kriesten      2:2490/1624 SMP-BETA

    Function: B-BBS, P-Point, M-Mailer, N-Nodelist, G-Gateway, T-Tosser,
              C-Compression, F-Fossil, O-Other. Note: Multifunction will
              be listed by the first match.

    Cost: P-Free for personal use, F-Freeware, S-Shareware, C-Commercial,
          X-Crippleware, D-Demoware, G-Free w/ Source

    Please send updates and suggestions to: Peter Popovich, 1:363/264

    -----------------------------------------------------------------

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                           FIDONET BY INTERNET
    =================================================================

    This is a list of all FidoNet-related sites reported to the Editor as
    of this appearance.

    ============

    FidoNet:

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      FidoNews     http://ddi.digital.net/~cbaker84/fidonews.html
      HTML FNews   http://www.fidonews.org
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      FTSC page    http://www.portal.ca/~awalker/ftsc/ftscmirr.htm
      Echomail     http://www.portal.ca/~awalker/index.html
      WebRing      http://ddi.digital.net/~cbaker84/fnetring.html

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    Zone 1:       http://www.z1.fidonet.org

      Region 10:  http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html

      Region 11:  http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/

      Region 13:  http://www.smalltalkband.com/st01000.htm

      Region 14:  [disappeared?]

      Region 15:  [disappeared?]

      Region 16:  http://www.tiac.net/users/satins/region16.htm

      Region 17:  http://www.portal.ca/~awalker/region17.htm
          REC17:  http://www.westsound.com/ptmudge/

      Region 18:  http://www.citicom.com/fido.html

      Region 19:  http://www.compconn.net

    ============

    Zone 2:       http://www.z2.fidonet.org

    ZEC2:         http://www.proteus.demon.co.uk/zec.htm
    Zone 2 Elist: http://www.fbone.ch/z2_elist/

      Region 20:  http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)

      Region 24:  http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (in German)

      Region 25:
                  http://www.trak-one.co.uk/net254

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      Region 27:  http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm

      Region 29:  http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/  (in French)

      Region 30:  http://www.fidonet.ch  (in Swiss)

      Region 33:  http://www.fidoitalia.net (in Italian)

      Region 34:  http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm  (in Spanish)
          REC34:  http://pobox.com/~chr

      Region 36:  http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/

      Region 38:  http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html

      Region 41:  http://www.fidonet.gr (in Greek and English)

      Region 48:  http://www.fidonet.org.pl

    ============

    Zone 3:       http://www.z3.fidonet.org

    ============

    Zone 4:       (not yet listed)

      Region 90:
        Net 904:  http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (in Spanish)

    ============

    Zone 5:       http://w3.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/index.htm

    ============

    Zone 6:       http://www.z6.fidonet.org

      Region 65:  http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html (China)

    ============

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    homepage on the World Wide Web at:

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    There are also links there to jim barchuk's HTML FidoNews source and
    to John Souvestre's FTP site for the archives. There is also an email
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