F I D O N E W S --       Volume 14, Number 47          24 November 1997
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                       Table of Contents
    1. EDITORIAL  ................................................  1
       Gobble, gobble!  ..........................................  1
    2. LETTERS TO THE EDITOR  ....................................  2
       FTSC Administrator Vote results  ..........................  2
       How far from Ontario to Malaysia?  ........................  3
       Needs an email link at Fordham  ...........................  4
       Echomail defamation?  .....................................  4
       Ex-ZEC2 confirms leaving FidoNet  .........................  5
    3. ARTICLES  .................................................  7
       Newly-available Echoes  ...................................  7
    4. NET HUMOR  ................................................  8
       Goofing with Excel?  ......................................  8
    5. COMIX IN ASCII  ...........................................  9
       Happy Thanksgiving!  ......................................  9
    6. ADVERTISE YOUR FREE SERVICE/EVENT  ........................ 11
       Announcing the WRESTLING_CHAT Echo  ....................... 11
    7. NOTICES  .................................................. 12
       Future History  ........................................... 12
    8. FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING  ................................. 13
       Latest Greatest Software Versions  ........................ 13
    9. FIDONEWS PUBLIC-KEY  ...................................... 17
       FidoNews PGP public-key listing  .......................... 17
    10. FIDONET BY INTERNET  ..................................... 18
    11. FIDONEWS INFORMATION  .................................... 20
    FIDONEWS 14-47               Page 1                   24 Nov 1997


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                                EDITORIAL
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    Here in the U.S.A., it's about to be Thanksgiving Day [Thursday, 27
    Nov] when we get together with family and food to celebrate the fact
    we're still alive and eating. [snicker]

    Turkeys are the primary victims of our carnivorous tendencies but
    it varies from place to place and sub-culture to sub-culture. Hams,
    pork roasts, beef roasts, vegetarian fare, and all sorts of other
    comestibles made only once or twice a year can come to the fore. At my
    house, there'll be plenty of the top two [turkey & ham] along with
    tons of accouterment and then the major dessert table covered with
    pies of every description.

    In FidoNet, we can only eat our words while looking at ASCII pictures
    of traditional symbols.

    Following in the footsteps of last week's cyberHugs, let's give thanks
    to everyone who works, without reward, to make FidoNet function
    every day.

    Thanks, to ALL Coordinators. Thanks, to all mail hubs. Thanks, to all
    file movers. Thanks, to all the software authors. Thanks, to all
    HelpNodes. Thanks, to ALL Sysops who make this the first and largest
    amateur electronic communication network in the world.

    Cooperation...What a concept!

    C.B.

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    FIDONEWS 14-47               Page 2                   24 Nov 1997


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                          LETTERS TO THE EDITOR
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    --- Following message extracted from FTSC_PUBLIC @ 1:18/14 ---
        By Christopher Baker on Sun Nov 23 20:09:02 1997

    From: Ken Tuley
    To: all
    Date: 22 Nov 97  20:40:00
    Subj: FTSC Administrator election results

    Here are the results of the voting for FTSC Administrator:

    Craig Box        3 (20%)
    Odinn Sorensen  12 (80%)
    Abstentions      1

    Odinn Sorensen is declared the winner.

    Passwords voting for Craig Box (3:774/950):
        BLUE5491
        urbanhymn
        FIDOFREEDOM

    Passwords voting for Odinn Sorensen (2:2613/477):
        DuGnoU
        DNISNOLONGERTHETRUECHAIRPERSON
        56_down_64_to_go
        moonlightshadow
        ENTOVERSE
        grade
        BOROMIR
        fnord
        LovelyEva
        ALPHA
        amscray
        SlaveToTheGrind

    Passwords voting to abstain:
        Goran_Eriksson

    Although I was originally advised by Adrian Walker when I agreed to
    accept and count the votes that posting the list of voters would not
    be necessary, I will post that list if I am requested to do so by any
    member of the committee.

    -=ken=-

    ---
     * Origin: SCAM (1:374/98)

     -30-

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    FIDONEWS 14-47               Page 3                   24 Nov 1997


    --- Following message extracted from FIDONEWS @ 1:18/14 ---
        By Christopher Baker on Sun Nov 23 20:08:34 1997

    From: Rich Veraa
    To: Christopher Baker
    Date: 20 Nov 97  08:29:35
    Subj: Unsolved Mysteries

    Host,163,Ottawa_163,Ottawa_ON,Christine_Labonte,1-613-742-
    7612,9600,XA,CM,V42b, V32b
    ,99,Cause_Cheap_Is_How_I_Feel,Ottawa_ON,Dave_Beach,1-819-685-
    1610,9600,CM,XA, V32b,V42b,V34,VFC,UNEC
    Hub,100,Acoustic_Plains,Ottawa_ON,Steve_Fredette,1-613-742-
    7612,9600,CM,XA,V32b,V42b
    ,105,Club_Las_Velas,Ottawa_ON,Dave_Fleming,1-613-728-
    7050,9600,CM,XA,H16,V34, VFC,V32b,V42b,V32T
    ,107,Reptile_Ranch,Perth_ON,Terry_O'Hearn,1-613-264-
    8513,9600,XA,CM,H16,V32b, V32t,V34,V42b,VFC
    Pvt,108,Mau's_Hole,Ottawa_ON,Allan_Mau,-Unpublished-,2400,
    ,109,Smurfs_In_Rage_BBS,Ottawa_ON,Mike_Militia,1-613-744-
    4983,9600,CM,XA,V32B, V42b,MNP
    ,111,The_Apartment_Size_BBS,Ottawa_ON,Deryl_Charlebois,1-613-820-
    4270,9600,CM, XA,V32B,V42,V34
    ,113,Murphys_Law,Gatineau_PQ,Jim_Murphy,1-819-669-
    2392,9600,CM,XX,V32b,V42b
    ,114,Myles'_Games_Extraviganza,Ottawa_On,Myles_Bunbury,1-613-234-
    0975,9600,XA, CM,V32B,V42B
    ,115,Glow_In_The_Dark,Ottawa_ON,Gerry_Dowe,1-613-820-
    6020,9600,CM,XA,V32B,V42B, V34,VFC,V32T
    ,117,The_Offspring_BBS,Orleans_ON,Perry_Smith,1-613-834-
    8587,9600,CM,XR,V34, V32b,V42b
    ,118,Kings_Knights,Ottawa_ON,Perry_Davis,1-613-728-
    4122,9600,XA,CM,V34,VFC, V32b,V42b
    ,119,Liar's_Club,Cumberland_ON,Gerry_Goulet,1-613-833-
    0672,9600,XA,CM,H16,VFC, V34,V32T,V32b,V42b
    ,120,The_Land_of_ID,Glocester_ON,Ian_Porter,1-613-731-
    1544,9600,CM,XA,V32b,V42b ,121,A.C.E.,Vanier_ON,Jean_Emmell,1-613-741-
    0630,9600,XA,CM,VFC,V34,V32b,V42b
    ,122,Twisted_Nastiness,Ottawa_ON,Jim_Sorofty,1-613-823-
    6670,9600,CM,XA,V32b, V42b
    ,125,Beatitudes,Gloucester_ON,Gary_Cassidy,1-613-834-
    2054,9600,XA,CM,V32b,V34, V42b
    ,126,C.U.B.E.,Ottawa_ON,Glenn_Verrall,1-613-728-
    8136,9600,XA,CM,V32b,V42b ,127,Pig_Pen,Nepean_ON,Frank_Sexton,1-613-
    723-9591,9600,XA,CM,V32b,V42b
    ,133,872's_Home_BBS,Kanata_ON,Rob_St._Denis,1-613-831-
    3390,9600,CM,XA,V32B,V42B
    ,134,Valley_of_Wind,Kuala_Lumpur_MALAYSIA,Maulvi_Bakar,60-3-712-
    5570,9600,V34, V32b,V42b,ZYX,MNP,CM,XA
                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    ,136,No_Files,Ottawa_ON,Fred_Ennis,1-613-723-5712,9600,XX,CM,V32b,V42b

    Does anyone know howcome a net in Ontario lists a node in Malasia?

           Cheers,
               Rich
    FIDONEWS 14-47               Page 4                   24 Nov 1997


    http://www.netside.net/~rveraa/
     * Origin:    Birdsoft - North Miami       (1:135/907)

     -30-

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    Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 15:00:33 -0500
    From: "Nicholas D. Lombardi, S.J." <[email protected]>
    To: [email protected]
    Subject: Mailed from FidoNews homepage

    Hi,
     My name is Nick Lombardi and I've been running a Fidonet board here
    in NYC since the mid-80's.  I've haven't been keeping up with what's
    been reported in Fidonet for a couple of years almost - but I'd like
    to know how I can find a gateway to connect my board to the internet
    for a simple EMAIL connection.  Is there any gateway left around?
    Ours in this area went down a while ago.

     My Email address is:  [email protected]
     I'm a Jesuit priest teaching Computer Science here at Fordham
    University.  Thanks for any leads you can give me.

     -30-

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    [high ASCII removed without regard to translation. Ed.]

    [I refer this guy's request for info to you. Ed.]

    From: "Piotr Kosibowicz" <[email protected]>
    To: <[email protected]>
    Subject: How to defend against defaming in a public conference?
    Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 20:01:04 +0100

    Dear Chris

    I am writing for the advice how to force a fidouser to send an apology
    note to a Polish conference BUY_SELL.POL.

    Maksymilian Wrzesinski (2:480/80)  named me a thief in this conference
    just because he is ignorant  about a trial subscriptions of Business
    Central Europe and European Voice and some computer magazines about
    which I spread a word in Net under the subject: "free computer
    magazines"

    I need to know this before I will take a legal action in Polish court.

    Below is his letter in extenso and the mentioned offending word i
    underlined.

    Please send advice, comments or the way how he could turn back this
    offence because the court action could be damaging for him due to huge
    costs.
    FIDONEWS 14-47               Page 5                   24 Nov 1997


    Regards, Piotr Kosibowicz

    [email protected]
    [email protected]
    [email protected]
    tel: +48 012 4155974  Propaganda, POB 12, Kr. 42, PL
    http://www.webspawner.com/users/propaga/   Fax:  +49-2561-91316-06849
    Czy Chrystus siedzacy na osle, jest czescia osla, czy tez osiol
    czescia Chrystusa?


    - BUY_SELL.POL (2:486/10.26) ------------------------------------
    BUY_SELL.POL
     Msg  : #10580 [1612] +10609                Rcv
     From : Maksymilian Wrzesinski     2:480/80        16 Nov 97 13:38:33
     To   : Piotr Kosibowicz                           21 Nov 97 10:09:17
     Subj : Re: Darmowe Pisma Komputerowe
    -1298-----------------------------------------------------------------
     MG>> + Origin: Brakuje mi kogos takiego jak ja... (2:480/80.101)
     PK>  nieycz sobie jakichkolwiek kontaktw z tob - bo ju kilka razy
     PK> dales si pozna jako skoczony idiota, a potem jeszcze mnie
     PK> przpraszae. Nie sigasz mi do pit dupku i id lepiej obraaj a
     PK> potem przepraszaj sobie rwne Miernoty.

        i kto to mowi? kosibowitz - znany kretacz i kombinator. czyli
    mowiac krotko zlodziej.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^
        twoje listy z newsgroup inetowych sa po prostu zenujace. poziom
    lamerii i bezprecedensowego cwaniactwa bija na glowe najwiekszych
    kretynow.

    --
        -- [mcson] -- maksymilian maria wrzesinski -- terrorgarden inc. --
    -- +48-22-648-55-88 -- http://terrorgarden.waw.pl -- from ashes to
    ashes --

    --- TeRRoRGaRDeN Inc.
     * Origin:  ,, ...from ashes to ashes... '' (2:480/80)

     -30-

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    From: Steve Woodmore <[email protected]>
    To: Christopher Baker <[email protected]>
    Subject: Re: have your retired again?
    Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 01:38:52 GMT
    Organization: The Worlds Fastest Talker
    Reply-To: [email protected]
    References: <[email protected]>

    On Sun, 16 Nov 1997 19:08:03 -0500, you wrote:


    CB>again for the last time? [grin]

    FIDONEWS 14-47               Page 6                   24 Nov 1997


    No this time its for good (check the nodelist)

    CB>what pushed you over the edge this time?

    The same old thing, every time you try and achieve something, there
    are always people being destructive and disruptive.

    I would like fido to have moved forward into the next millennium,
    however the "fidodinosaurs" don't seem to want it.

    Its a pity, but there you go what can i do?, i tried, i failed :(,
    time to cut my losses and move onto more challenging and productive
    projects, and yes you have my permission to print this in fidonews

    Come and visit the worlds fastest talker
    If you thought you could talk fast, then you are wrong
    As featured in the
    1990,1991,1992,1993,1994,1995,1996,1997 Guinness Book of
    WORLD records
    Check it out
    http://www.proteus.demon.co.uk/talk.htm

     -30-

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                                ARTICLES
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    Newly-available Echoes
    Damian Walker, 2:2502/666

    The following echoes are now available to international readers via
    the internet:

        STRATEGY    For strategy and war games,
        ASTROWAR_UK The international support echo for the Astrowar game,
        INFOMAIL    The Infomail support echo

    You can now get these echoes from Sy Hughes at Gold Flash BBS,
    2:254/510, using Fido2Int.  Details about all of these echoes are
    available in the ELIST and the zone 2 echolist.  Please do join us!

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                                NET HUMOR
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    Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 08:06:49 -0500
    To: [email protected]
    From: Doug Paul <[email protected]>
    Subject: Anyone ever try this?

    >Return-Path: [email protected]
    >From: "Val Valek" <[email protected]>

    1.  Open Excel for Windows 95 with a blank worksheet.
    2.  Scroll down to row 95.
    3.  Click on the number 95 to select the whole row.
    4.  Press Tab once to move to column B.
    5.  Select Help/About.
    6.  Hold down Ctrl+Alt+Shift and click on the Tech Support button.
    7.  A window labeled Hall of Tortured Souls appears.  It is a 3-D
        texture-mapped environment reminiscent of Doom/DukeNukeEm/etc.
    8.  Directly ahead of you are stairs with a scrolling cast list. Go up
        and take a look around.  Use the cursor keys to move, and 'd' or
        'c' to look up or down.
    9.  But there's more!  Go back down the stairs and type "excelkfa"
        (without the quotes).
    10.  The wall disappears [it's the rear wall], and there's a winding
         path to navigate to see pictures.

    Tread carefully!
    ===========================================
    Doug Paul                        [email protected]
    Rockledge, Florida
    http://www.geocities.com/hollywood/hills/6994
    ===========================================
    I am Dyslexic of Borg...prepare to have your ass laminated!
    ===========================================
    Pursuant to US Code Title 47, Ch 5, Subch 2, _227,
    unsolicited commercial Email received at this address
    is subject to a US $500 download and archival fee.
    By Emailing such, you agree to these terms.
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                             COMIX IN ASCII
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    [from TurkeyDays past...one raw, one cooked. [grin] Ed.]

    Date: 24 Nov 94  14:44:06
    From: [email protected]
      To: All
    Subj: Happy Thanksgiving!
    ______________________________________________________________________
    Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 17:44:06 -0500 (EST)
    From: PNEWS <[email protected]>

    [*********PNEWS CONFERENCES************]

    From: [email protected]


                                  ,+*^^*+___+++_
                            ,*^^^^              )
                         _+*                     ^**+_
                       +^       _ _++*+_+++_,         )
           _+^^*+_    (     ,+*^ ^          \+_        )
          {       )  (    ,(    ,_+--+--,      ^)      ^\
         { (@)    } f   ,(  ,+-^ __*_*_  ^^\_   ^\       )
        {:;-/    (_+*-+^^^^^+*+*<_ _++_)_    )    )      /
       ( /  (    (        ,___    ^*+_+* )   <    <      \
        U _/     )    *--<  ) ^\-----++__)   )    )       )
         (      )  _(^)^^))  )  )\^^^^^))^*+/    /       /
       (      /  (_))_^)) )  )  ))^^^^^))^^^)__/     +^^
      (     ,/    (^))^))  )  ) ))^^^^^^^))^^)       _)
       *+__+*       (_))^)  ) ) ))^^^^^^))^^^^^)____*^
       \             \_)^)_)) ))^^^^^^^^^^))^^^^)
        (_             ^\__^^^^^^^^^^^^))^^^^^^^)
          ^\___            ^\__^^^^^^))^^^^^^^^)\\
               ^^^^^\uuu/^^\uuu/^^^^\^\^\^\^\^\^\^\
                  ___) >____) >___   ^\_\_\_\_\_\_\)
                 ^^^//\\_^^//\\_^       ^(\_\_\_\)
                   ^^^ ^^ ^^^ ^^

    HAPPY THANKSGIVING!

    Ribaud

    ---
      Origin: Usenet: (1:343/70)

    ***

    Date: 23 Nov 95  18:57:07
    From: Tom Mckeever
      To: All
    Subj: 'Appy 'Oliday!
    ______________________________________________________________________

    FIDONEWS 14-47               Page 10                  24 Nov 1997


    Greetings, All!!

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                       H A P P Y   T H A N K S G I V I N G

                       From the MCKEEVER Family!!!!


    Take care!!

    Tom..
    ([email protected])
    ([email protected])
    SPACECON/BRAVEHEART BBS (1:374/22)
    (407) 459-0969 452-8969 453-5393 (1200-28800 Baud)
    (Home of INFOLOG, OTVIEW, & POST_POLIO and CARDIAC Echoes!!)

    Origin: SPACECON Medical/Disabilities/Law Enforcement BBS!(1:374/22.0)

     -30-

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                    ADVERTISE YOUR FREE SERVICE/EVENT
    =================================================================


    Emanuel Edwards
    1:348/963
    [email protected]

                  IMPORTANT NOTICE TO ALL SYSOPS!!!!!!

    Hello all Sysops and Co_Sysops:

    If you want to get lots of User on your BBS I suggest you request the
    WRESTLING_CHAT on your BBS:

    On the wrestling_chat you can get all the Latest News, great wrestling
    scoops and great wrestling advertisement.  Plus there are professional
    wrestlers reading the messages and posting messages on the echo. The
    echo tag is called WRESTLING_CHAT.

    If and when you request the echo on your bbs please send a test
    message to the moderator Emanuel Edwards.  See you all sysops and
    co_sysops on fidonet  WRESTLING_CHAT

    You can also visit my wrestling news bulletin homepage at
    http://www.pangea.ca/~emanuel/latest.html

    Regards

    Emanuel   Moderator
    Barry Laws Jr   Co_Moderator

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                                 NOTICES
    =================================================================

                               Future History

     1 Dec 1997
       World AIDS Day.

    10 Dec 1997
       Nobel Day, Sweden.

    12 Jan 1998
       HAL 9000 is one year old today.

    30 Apr 1998
       Queens Day, Holland.

    22 May 1998
       Expo '98 World Exposition in Lisbon (Portugal) opens.

    14 Sep 1998
       Start of International BBS Week [thru 20 Sep 98].

    22 Sep 1998
       First anniversary of the FidoNews domain of www.fidonews.org.

     1 Dec 1998
       Fifteenth Anniversary of release of Fido version 1 by
       Tom Jennings.

    24 Jul 1999
       XIII Pan American Games [through 8 Aug 99].

    31 Dec 1999
       Hogmanay, Scotland. The New Year that can't be missed.

     1 Jan 2000
       The 20th Century, C.E., is still taking place thru 31 Dec.

     1 Jun 2000
       EXPO 2000 World Exposition in Hannover (Germany) opens.

    15 Sep 2000
       Sydney (Australia) Summer Olympiad opens.

     1 Jan 2001
       This is the actual start of the new millennium, C.E.

    -- If YOU have something which you would like to see in this
       Future History, please send a note to the FidoNews Editor.

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                        FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING
    =================================================================

    [from 1446]

    Latest Greatest Software Versions
    by Peter E. Popovich, 1:363/264

    Hmm. Not much to say.

    -=- Snip -=-

    Submission form for the Latest Greatest Software Versions column

    OS Platform                             :
    Software package name                   :
    Version                                 :
    Function(s) - BBS, Mailer, Tosser, etc. :
    Freeware / Shareware / Commercial?      :
    Author / Support staff contact name     :
    Author / Support staff contact node     :
    Magic name (at the above-listed node)   :

    Please include a sentence describing what the package does.

    Please send updates and suggestions to: Peter Popovich, 1:363/264

    -=- Snip -=-

    MS-DOS:
    Program Name   Version  F C Contact Name      Node        Magic Name
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    Act-Up         4.6      G D Chris Gunn        1:15/55     ACT-UP
    ALLFIX         4.40     T S Harald Harms      2:281/415   ALLFIX
    Announcer      1.11     O S Peter Karlsson    2:206/221   ANNOUNCE
    BGFAX          1.60     O S B.J. Guillot      1:106/400   BGFAX
    Binkley Docs   2.60     M F Bob Juge          1:1/102     BDOC_260.ZIP
    BinkleyTerm    2.60     M F Bob Juge          1:1/102     BDOS_260.ZIP
    BinkleyTerm-XE XR5      M F Thomas Waldmann   2:2474/400  BTXE_DOS
    CFRoute        0.92     O G C. Fernandez Sanz 2:341/70    CFR
    CheckPnt       1.0a     O G Michiel vd Vlist  2:500/9     CHECKPNT
    FastEcho       1.46.1   T S Tobias Burchhardt 2:2448/400  FASTECHO
    FastEcho/16    1.46.1   T S Tobias Burchhardt 2:2448/400  FEX
    FastLst        1.36     N S Alberto Pasquale  2:332/504   FASTLSTD
    FidoBBS (tm)   12u      B S Ray Brown         1:1/117     FILES
    FrontDoor      2.12     M S JoHo              2:201/330   FD
    FrontDoor      2.20c    M C JoHo              2:201/330   FDINFO
    GEcho          1.00     T S Bob Seaborn       1:140/12    GECHO
    GEcho/Plus     1.11     T C Bob Seaborn       1:140/12    GECHO
    GEcho/Pro      1.20     T C Bob Seaborn       1:140/12    GECHO
    GIGO           07-14-96 G S Jason Fesler      1:1/141     INFO
    GoldED         2.50     O S Len Morgan        1:203/730   GED
    GoldED/386     2.50     O S Len Morgan        1:203/730   GEX
    GoldED Docs    2.50     O S Len Morgan        1:203/730   GEM
    GoldNODE       2.50     O S Len Morgan        1:203/730   GEN
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    Imail          1.75     T S Michael McCabe    1:1/121     IMAIL
    ImCrypt        1.04     O G Michiel vd Vlist  2:500/9     IMCRYPT
    InfoMail/86    1.21     O F Damian Walker     2:2502/666  INFOMAIL
    InfoMail/386   1.21     O F Damian Walker     2:2502/666  INFO386
    InterEcho      1.19     T C Peter Stewart     1:369/35    IEDEMO
    InterMail      2.29k    M C Peter Stewart     1:369/35    IMDEMO
    InterPCB       1.52     O S Peter Stewart     1:369/35    INTERPCB
    IPNet          1.11     O S Michele Stewart   1:369/21    IPNET
    JD's CBV       1.4      O S John Dailey       1:363/277   CBV
    Jelly-Bean     1.01     T S Rowan Crowe       3:635/727   JELLY
    Jelly-Bean/386 1.01     T S Rowan Crowe       3:635/727   JELLY386
    JMail-Hudson   2.81     T S Jason Steck       1:285/424   JMAIL-H
    JMail-Goldbase 2.81     T S Jason Steck       1:285/424   JMAIL-G
    MakePl         1.9      N G Michiel vd Vlist  2:500/9     MAKEPL
    Marena         1.1 beta O G Michiel vd Vlist  2:500/9     MARENA
    Maximus        3.01     B P Tech              1:249/106   MAX
    Max User Ed.   0.18     O F Larry Cooke       1:300/53    MUE
    McMail         1.0      M S Michael McCabe    1:1/148     MCMAIL
    MDNDP          1.18     N S Bill Doyle        1:388/7     MDNDP
    Msged          4.10     O G Andrew Clarke     3:635/728   MSGED41D.ZIP
    Msged/386      4.10     O G Andrew Clarke     3:635/728   MSGED41X.ZIP
    NEF            2.38     O S Alberto Pasquale  2:332/504   NEFD
    NorthStar      3.31.29  B S A&B Darin         1:285/82    NSTAR
    Opus CBCS      1.79     B P Christopher Baker 1:374/14    OPUS
    O/T-Track      2.66     O S Peter Hampf       2:241/1090  OT
    PcMerge        2.8      N G Michiel vd Vlist  2:500/9     PCMERGE
    PlatinumXpress 1.3      M C Gary Petersen     1:290/111   PX13TD.ZIP
    QuickBBS       2.81     B S Ben Schollnick    1:2613/477  QUICKBBS
    RAR            2.01     C S Ron Dwight        2:220/22    RAR
    RemoteAccess   2.50     B S Mark Lewis        1:3634/12   RA
    Searchlight    4.5      B S Paul Casey        1:343/117   DEMO450.ZIP
    Searchlight    5.02     B C Paul Casey        1:343/117   SLBBS50.TXT
    Silver Xpress
      Door         5.4      O S Gary Petersen     1:290/111   FILES
      Reader       4.4      O S Gary Petersen     1:290/111   SXR44.ZIP
    Spitfire       3.51     B S Mike Weaver       1:3670/3    SPITFIRE
    Squish         1.11     T P Tech              1:249/106   SQUISH
    StealTag UK    1.c...   O F Fred Schenk       2:284/412   STEAL_UK
    StealTag NL    1.c...   O F Fred Schenk       2:284/412   STEAL_NL
    T-Mail         2.600    M S Ron Dwight        2:220/22    TMAIL
    Telegard       3.02     B F Tim Strike        1:259/423   TELEGARD
    Terminate      5.00     O S Bo Bendtsen       2:254/261   TERMINATE
    Tobruk         0.33     T G Paul Edwards      3:711/934   TOBRUK
    TosScan        1.01     T C JoHo              2:201/330   TSINFO
    TransNet       1.00     G S Marc S. Ressl     4:904/72    TN100ALL.ZIP
    TriBBS         11.0     B S Gary Price        1:3607/26   TRIBBS
    TriDog         11.0     T F Gary Price        1:3607/26   TRIDOG
    TriToss        11.0     T S Gary Price        1:3607/26   TRITOSS
    WaterGate      0.93     G S Robert Szarka     1:320/42    WTRGATE
    WWIV           4.24a    B S Craig Dooley      1:376/126   WWIV
    WWIVTOSS       1.36     T S Craig Dooley      1:376/126   WWIVTOSS
    xMail          2.00     T S Thorsten Franke   2:2448/53   XMAIL
    XRobot         3.01     O S JoHo              2:201/330   XRDOS

    OS/2:
    Program Name   Version  F C Contact Name      Node        Magic Name
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    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    ALLFIX/2       1.10     T S Harald Harms      2:281/415   AFIXOS2
    BGFAX          1.60     O S B.J. Guillot      1:106/400   BGFAX
    Binkley Docs   2.60     M F Bob Juge          1:1/102     BDOC_260.ZIP
    BinkleyTerm    2.60     M F Bob Juge          1:1/102     BOS2_260.ZIP
    BinkleyTerm-XE XR5      M F Thomas Waldmann   2:2474/400  BTXE_OS2
    CFRoute        0.92     O G C. Fernandez Sanz 2:341/70    CFR
    FastEcho       1.46.1   T S Tobias Burchhardt 2:2448/400  FE2
    FastLst        1.36     N S Alberto Pasquale  2:332/504   FASTLST
    FleetStreet    1.21     O S Michael Hohner    2:2490/2520 FLEET
    FP-OS/2        97-03-21 O F Mike Bilow        323/107     FPOS2
    GEcho/Pro      1.20     T C Bob Seaborn       1:140/12    GECHO
    GIGO           07-14-96 G S Jason Fesler      1:1/141     INFO
    GoldED         2.50     O S Len Morgan        1:203/730   GEO
    GoldED Docs    2.50     O S Len Morgan        1:203/730   GEM
    GoldNODE       2.50     O S Len Morgan        1:203/730   GEN
    ImCrypt        1.04     O G Michiel vd Vlist  2:500/9     IMCRYPT
    Maximus        3.01     B P Tech              1:249/106   MAXP
    Max User Ed.   0.18     O F Larry Cooke       1:300/53    MUEP
    Msged/2        4.10     O G Andrew Clarke     3:635/728   MSGED41O.ZIP
    NEF            2.38     O S Alberto Pasquale  2:332/504   NEF
    PcMerge        2.3      N G Michiel vd Vlist  2:500/9     PCMERGE
    RAR            2.01     C S Ron Dwight        2:220/22    RAR2
    Squish         1.11     T P Tech              1:249/106   SQUISHP
    T-Mail         2.600    M S Ron Dwight        2:220/22    TMAIL2
    Tobruk         0.33     T G Paul Edwards      3:711/934   TOBRUK
    WaterGate      0.93     G S Robert Szarka     1:320/42    WTRGATE
    XRobot         3.01     O S JoHo              2:201/330   XROS2

    Windows (16-bit apps):
    Program Name   Version  F C Contact Name      Node        Magic Name
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    BeeMail        1.0      M C Andrius Cepaitis  2:470/1     BEEMAIL
    FrontDoor APX  1.12     P S Mats Wallin       2:201/329   FDAPXW

    Windows (32-bit apps):
    Program Name   Version  F C Contact Name      Node        Magic Name
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    Argus 95/IP    2.704    M S Max Masyutin      2:469/77    A9I
    Argus NT/IP    2.704    M S Max Masyutin      2:469/77    ANI
    BeeMail        1.0      M C Andrius Cepaitis  2:470/1     BEEMAIL
    Binkley Docs   2.60     M F Bob Juge          1:1/102     BDOC_260.ZIP
    BinkleyTerm    2.60     M F Bob Juge          1:1/102     BW32_260.ZIP
    BinkleyTerm-XE XR5      M F Thomas Waldmann   2:2474/400  BTXE_W32
    CFRoute        0.92     O G C. Fernandez Sanz 2:341/70    CFR
    FastLst        1.36     N S Alberto Pasquale  2:332/504   FASTLSTW
    GoldED         2.50     O S Len Morgan        1:203/730   GEO
    GoldED Docs    2.50     O S Len Morgan        1:203/730   GEM
    Maximus        3.01     B P Tech              1:249/106   MAXN
    Msged/NT       4.10     O G Andrew Clarke     3:635/728   MSGED41W.ZIP
    NEF            2.38     O S Alberto Pasquale  2:332/504   NEFW
    PlatinumXpress 2.00     M C Gary Petersen     1:290/111   PXW-INFO
    Searchlight    5.02     B C Paul Casey        1:343/117   SLBBS50.TXT
    T-Mail         2.600    M S Ron Dwight        2:220/22    TMAILNT
    WinFOSSIL/95   1.12 r4  F S Bryan Woodruff    1:343/294   WNFOSSIL.ZIP
    WinFOSSIL/NT   1.0 beta F S Bryan Woodruff    1:343/294   NTFOSSIL.ZIP
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    Unix:
    Program Name   Version  F C Contact Name      Node        Magic Name
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    ifmail         2.12     M G Eugene Crosser    2:293/2219  IFMAIL
    ifmail-tx      ...tx8.6 M G Pablo Saratxaga   2:293/2219  IFMAILTX
    ifmail-tx.rpm  ...tx8.6 M G Pablo Saratxaga   2:293/2219  IFMAILTX.RPM
    Msged          4.00     O G Paul Edwards      3:711/934   MSGED
    Tobruk         0.33     T G Paul Edwards      3:711/934   TOBRUK

    Amiga:
    Program Name   Version  F C Contact Name      Node        Magic Name
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    CrashMail      1.23     T X Fredrik Bennison  2:205/324   CRASHMAIL
    CrashTick      1.1      O F Fredrik Bennison  2:205/324   CRASHTICK
    DLG Pro BBOS   1.15     B C Holly Sullivan    1:202/720   DLGDEMO
    GMS            1.1.85   M S Mirko Viviani     2:331/213   GMS
    Msged          4.00     O G Paul Edwards      3:711/934   MSGED
    Tobruk         0.33     T G Paul Edwards      3:711/934   TOBRUK
    TrapDoor       1.86.b2  M S Maximilian Hantsch
                                                  2:310/6     TRAPDOOR
    TrapToss       1.50     T S Rene Hexel        2:310/6     TRAPTOSS

    Atari:
    Program Name   Version  F C Contact Name      Node        Magic Name
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    ApplyList      1.00     N F Daniel Roesen     2:2432/1101 APLST100.LZH
    BinkleyTerm/ST 3.18pl2  M F Bill Scull        1:363/112   BINKLEY
    BTNC           2.00     N G Daniel Roesen     2:2432/1101 BTNC
    JetMail        0.99beta T S Joerg Spilker     2:2432/1101 JETMAIL
    Semper         0.80beta M S Jan Kriesten      2:2490/1624 SMP-BETA

    Function: B-BBS, P-Point, M-Mailer, N-Nodelist, G-Gateway, T-Tosser,
              C-Compression, F-Fossil, O-Other. Note: Multifunction will
              be listed by the first match.

    Cost: P-Free for personal use, F-Freeware, S-Shareware, C-Commercial,
          X-Crippleware, D-Demoware, G-Free w/ Source

    Please send updates and suggestions to: Peter Popovich, 1:363/264

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    File-request FNEWSKEY from 1:1/23 [1:18/14] or download it from the
    Rights On! BBS at 1-904-409-7040 anytime except 0100-0130 ET and Zone
    1 ZMH at 1200-9600+ HST/V32B. The FidoNews key is also available on
    the FidoNews homepage listed in the Masthead information.

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                           FIDONET BY INTERNET
    =================================================================

    This is a list of all FidoNet-related sites reported to the Editor as
    of this appearance.

    ============

    FidoNet:

      Homepage     http://www.fidonet.org
      FidoNews     http://ddi.digital.net/~cbaker84/fidonews.html
      HTML FNews   http://www.fidonews.org
      WWW sources  http://www.scms.rgu.ac.uk/students/cs_yr94/lk/fido.html
      FTSC page    http://www.portal.ca/~awalker/ftsc/ftscmirr.htm
      Echomail     http://www.portal.ca/~awalker/index.html
      WebRing      http://ddi.digital.net/~cbaker84/fnetring.html

    ============

    Zone 1:       http://www.z1.fidonet.org

      Region 10:  http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html

      Region 11:  http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/

      Region 13:  http://www.smalltalkband.com/st01000.htm

      Region 14:  [disappeared?]

      Region 15:  [disappeared?]

      Region 16:  http://www.tiac.net/users/satins/region16.htm

      Region 17:  http://www.portal.ca/~awalker/region17.htm
          REC17:  http://www.westsound.com/ptmudge/

      Region 18:  http://www.citicom.com/fido.html

      Region 19:  http://www.compconn.net

    ============

    Zone 2:       http://www.z2.fidonet.org

    ZEC2:         http://www.proteus.demon.co.uk/zec.htm
    Zone 2 Elist: http://www.fbone.ch/z2_elist/

      Region 20:  http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)

      Region 24:  http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (in German)

      Region 25:
                  http://www.trak-one.co.uk/net254

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      Region 27:  http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm

      Region 29:  http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/  (in French)

      Region 30:  http://www.fidonet.ch  (in Swiss)

      Region 33:  http://www.fidoitalia.net (in Italian)

      Region 34:  http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm  (in Spanish)
          REC34:  http://pobox.com/~chr

      Region 36:  http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/

      Region 38:  http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html

      Region 41:  http://www.fidonet.gr (in Greek and English)

      Region 48:  http://www.fidonet.org.pl

    ============

    Zone 3:       http://www.z3.fidonet.org

    ============

    Zone 4:       (not yet listed)

      Region 90:
        Net 904:  http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (in Spanish)

    ============

    Zone 5:       http://w3.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/index.htm

    ============

    Zone 6:       http://www.z6.fidonet.org

      Region 65:  http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html (China)

    ============

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                          FIDONEWS INFORMATION
    =================================================================

    ------- FIDONEWS MASTHEAD AND CONTACT INFORMATION -------

    Editor: Christopher Baker

    Editors Emeritii: Tom Jennings, Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell,
                      Vince Perriello, Tim Pozar, Sylvia Maxwell,
                      Donald Tees

    "FidoNews Editor"
        FidoNet  1:1/23
        BBS  1-904-409-7040,  300/1200/2400/14400/V.32bis/HST(ds)

     more addresses:
        Christopher Baker -- 1:18/14, [email protected]
                                      [email protected]
                                      [email protected]
                                      [email protected]

    (Postal Service mailing address)
        FidoNews Editor
        P.O. Box 471
        Edgewater, FL 32132-0471
        U.S.A.


    voice:  1-904-409-3040 [1400-2100 ET only, please]
                           [1800-0100 UTC/GMT]

    ------------------------------------------------------

    FidoNews is published weekly by and for the members of the FIDONET
    INTERNATIONAL AMATEUR ELECTRONIC MAIL system.  It is a compilation
    of individual articles contributed by their authors or their
    authorized agents.  The contribution of articles to this compilation
    does not diminish the rights of the authors.  OPINIONS EXPRESSED in
    these articles ARE THOSE OF THE AUTHORS and not necessarily those of
    FidoNews.

    Authors retain copyright on individual works; otherwise FidoNews is
    Copyright 1997 Christopher Baker.  All rights reserved.  Duplication
    and/or distribution permitted for noncommercial purposes only.  For
    use in other circumstances, please contact the original authors, or
    the Editor.

                           =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=

    OBTAINING COPIES: The most recent issue of FidoNews in electronic
    form may be obtained from the FidoNews Editor via manual download or
    file-request, or from various sites in the FidoNet and Internet.
    PRINTED COPIES may be obtained by sending SASE to the above postal
    address.  File-request FIDONEWS for the current Issue.  File-request
    FNEWS for the current month in one archive.  Or file-request specific
    FIDONEWS 14-47               Page 21                  24 Nov 1997


    back Issue filenames in distribution format [FNEWSEnn.ZIP] for a
    particular Issue.  Monthly Volumes are available as FNWSmmmy.ZIP
    where mmm = three letter month [JAN - DEC] and y = last digit of the
    current year [7], i.e., FNWSAUG7.ZIP for all the Issues from Aug 97.

    Annual volumes are available as FNEWSn.ZIP where n = the Volume number
    1 - 14 for 1984 - 1997, respectively. Annual Volume archives range in
    size from 48K to 1.4M.


    INTERNET USERS: FidoNews is available via:

                         http://www.fidonews.org
                         http://www.fidonet.org/fidonews.htm
                         ftp://ftp.fidonet.org/pub/fidonet/fidonews/
                         ftp://ftp.aminet.org/pub/aminet/comm/fido/

                                     *=*=*

    You may obtain an email subscription to FidoNews by sending email to:

                         [email protected]

    with a Subject line of: subscribe fnews-edist

    and no message in the message body. To remove your name from the email
    distribution use a Subject line of: unsubscribe fnews-edist with no
    message to the same address above.

                                       *

    You may retrieve current and previous Issues of FidoNews via FTPMail
    by sending email to:

                         [email protected]

    with a Subject line of: help

    and FTPMail will immediately send a reply containing details and
    instructions. When you actually make a file request, FTPMail will
    respond in three stages. You find a link for this process on
    www.fidonews.org.

                                     *=*=*

    You can read the current FidoNews Issue in HTML format at:

                         http://www.fidonews.org

    STAR SOURCE for ALL Past Issues via FTP and file-request -
    Available for FReq from 1:396/1 or by anonymous FTP from:

                         ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/fnews/

    Each yearly archive also contains a listing of the Table-of-Contents
    for that year's issues.  The total set is currently about 11 Megs.
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                                =*=*=*=

    The current week's FidoNews and the FidoNews public-key are now also
    available almost immediately after publication on the Editor's new
    homepage on the World Wide Web at:

                 http://ddi.digital.net/~cbaker84/fidonews.html

    There are also links there to jim barchuk's HTML FidoNews source and
    to John Souvestre's FTP site for the archives. There is also an email
    link for sending in an article as message text. Drop on over.

                           =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=

    A PGP generated public-key is available for the FidoNews Editor from
    1:1/23 [1:18/14] by file-request for FNEWSKEY or by download from
    Rights On! BBS at 1-904-409-7040 as FIDONEWS.ASC in File Area 18.  It
    is also posted twice a month into the PKEY_DROP Echo available on the
    Zone 1 Echomail Backbone.

                               *=*=*=*=*

    SUBMISSIONS: You are encouraged to submit articles for publication in
    FidoNews. Article submission requirements are contained in the file
    ARTSPEC.DOC, available from the FidoNews Editor, or file-requestable
    from 1:1/23 [1:18/14] as file "ARTSPEC.DOC".  ALL Zone Coordinators
    also have copies of ARTSPEC.DOC. Please read it.

    "Fido", "FidoNet" and the dog-with-diskette are U.S. registered
    trademarks of Tom Jennings, P.O. Box 410923, San Francisco, CA 94141,
    and are used with permission.

            "Disagreement is actually necessary,
             or we'd all have to get in fights
             or something to amuse ourselves
             and create the requisite chaos."
                               -Tom Jennings

     -30-

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