F I D O N E W S --       Volume 14, Number 30          28 July 1997
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             FIDONET SELECTED FOR SOFTWARE AWARD?


                       Table of Contents
    1. EDITORIAL  ................................................  1
       News, news, everywhere news?  .............................  1
    2. GUEST EDITORIAL  ..........................................  2
       Gregg Jennings, 1:331/109  ................................  2
    3. LETTERS TO THE EDITOR  ....................................  3
       A passing of note in Zone 2  ..............................  3
       Some good news  ...........................................  4
    4. ARTICLES  .................................................  5
       Zone 3 Coordinator Election info  .........................  5
    5. COLUMNS  .................................................. 18
       Fidonet in Europe  ........................................ 18
    6. GETTING TECHNICAL  ........................................ 19
       A response to Steve Woodmore's InetTM flags  .............. 19
    7. COORDINATORS CORNER  ...................................... 22
       Nodelist-statistics as seen from Zone-2 for day 206  ...... 22
    8. NET HUMOR  ................................................ 23
       Come and listen to my tale?  .............................. 23
    9. COMIX IN ASCII  ........................................... 25
       Is there FidoNet on Mars?  ................................ 25
    10. ADVERTISE YOUR FREE SERVICE/EVENT  ....................... 26
       Announcing the WRESTLING_CHAT Echo  ....................... 26
    11. NOTICES  ................................................. 27
       Future History  ........................................... 27
    12. FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING  ................................ 28
    And more!
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                                EDITORIAL
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    FidoNet is up for a software association award according to email I
    received and passed along to Tom Jennings. I'll pass along any other
    info that comes my way.

    By the time this comes out, the Zone 3 Coordinator election should be
    over. There is an article here that gives details of the process but
    since it's already yesterday down under, the info is just for info and
    not for action. Too many time zones. [grin]

    Several Zone 2 folks have signed up to be added to the FidoNet webring
    in the past month or so but they are not putting the required code
    blurb for the webring mechanics on their listed pages. The webring
    only works when there is something on each page that will transport
    the surfer to the next site in the webring. I send email to each page
    meister but there may be language problems that are preventing my
    message from being understood. No page can be added UNTIL that piece
    of code is incorporated into their page so the webring is actually a
    ring of links. Webring site info is in the Masthead. Anyone who has a
    FidoNet related page can go there and sign up for inclusion. The
    required code blurb and GIFs are there with instructions. Your page
    doesn't have to be an official Net or Region site if you have FidoNet-
    related links on your page.

    There is a new ZEC1 listed in my Nodelist but I've received nothing of
    notice for publication. Hey, it's only Echomail. [snicker]

    Our first Asian page [other than the Z6 page] is listed this week in
    China. The details are in Chinese but some of it is in English.

    Are we having fun yet?

    C.B.

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                             GUEST EDITORIAL
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    Chopping Broccoli
    by Gregg Jennings, 1:331/109, [email protected]

    Jewish international bankers financed the Napoleonic wars
    and World War I, but these were nothing compared to World
    War II. Hitler knew what the Jews were planning and he tried
    to prevent it--that's why he invaded those other countries,
    to get rid of the Jews, just as he did in Germany. They were
    plotting a war to destroy the world, so they could take
    over. But no one understood and in the end the Jew-financed
    armies won the war. The Jews killed Hitler just like they
    killed Our Saviour. History repeats itself, and that's a
    fact too.

    Taking off the inflatable armband we find that many reader's
    blood pressure has just gone up.

    The words in the first paragraph are from a short story,
    "The Rubber Room", by Robert Bloch (a great story by a
    great writer). They are not mine.

    Your blood pressure now goes back to normal, because it's
    just a quote, just an example, just fiction (and the main
    character of the story, the one who spoke those words, in
    the end gets his do).

    Now, what if I did mean it? You can't despise the words,
    those particular words in that particular order, as used in
    this commentary, now that you know what is behind them.

    Is it only when the person behind the words means what he
    says that we should get mad? Is it the belief in the words
    that is despicable and not the words themselves?

    What if I stated that I believed in the words but really did
    not? Are the words then despicable and the writer not?

    It is the reader's fault when he or she gets angered,
    incensed, or upset by someone's words, not the writer's.
    Whether the words are in EchoMail, FidoNews, or any
    publication.

    There goes your blood pressure again!

    Free your mind instead.

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                          LETTERS TO THE EDITOR
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    We lost a friend

    By Ward Dossche

    In the middle of holidays, which are supposed to be happy times, I was
    struck by the horrible news that Louis Van Geel died.

    Why should that concern anyone else but me? Why is this an event
    worthy for mentioning in Fidonews?

    Maybe things aren't all that clear for younger people in zone-2 (and
    elsewhere) but Louis is a giant among sysops who dreamed further than
    most of us did, forced breakthroughs where others saw no solutions,
    created opportunities and shared with others.

    He invented the word 'netiquette' to define a few simple basic rules
    of Fidonet-behaviour "ask and you shall get". He co-pioneered
    tunnelling via the internet while this was a technology largely
    unknown to us. He had the vision to launch himself (and some of us
    too) into ventures such as educational stuff via K12 (then unknown in
    zone-2), backboned operations for the whole zone.

    When a modem was broken Louis always had a spare-one somewhere, there
    was always a listening ear for problems and when he could help out he
    would.

    Louis was not an angel, he had his human weak sides such as everyone
    of us.  That only serves however to demonstrate that he was one of us
    and among us, not above us!

    Louis had left Fidonet already some years ago; nevertheless he has
    made a lasting impression that will live on in the minds of those that
    knew him.

    When I learned about the dreaded disease that got to him, it was like
    a blow to myself and all those to whom I conveyed the news. Louis put
    up a fight but finally modern science had no further solutions to
    offer.

    Cancer got him down as a person, but through his achievements he lives
    on in our daily activities in Fidonet.

    He leaves behind a lovely wife and a son who don't deserve this sad
    twist of fate.

    Louis, where-ever you are, if we can find the right software to
    interface with the dimension where you are now, be assured that we
    will set-up a gateway ... so much still needs being explored and your
    place is among us!

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    Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 22:37:51 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Joe Klemmer <[email protected]>
    Reply-To: [email protected]
    To: "Joe's Humor List":  ;
    Subject: Baby pictures are up

    [the once and future Node at 1:109/370 when the motherboard is
    replaced.]

            I know this is a major spam-like message but just about
    everyone in it knows me and you will NOT get any more.  I just wanted
    to tell the world that I _finally_ have some of the baby pictures up
    on the web.  Yeah, Joseph Michael is 7 months old now, but better late
    than never.  Check out the JMEK page at -

            http://www.webtrek.com/~klemmerj/jmek

    [the baby will be 1:109/370.109 when it's back up.]

    ---
    "It's a damn poor mind that can only think of one way to spell a
                    word." -- Andrew Jackson

     -30-

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                                ARTICLES
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    From: [email protected] (Lisa Gronke)
    Subject: Seven candidates for Z3C
    To: [email protected]
    Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 16:19:40 -0700 (PDT)

    News of the week. You could mention the election, dates and candidates
    in your editorial <g>.

    [1224 / 1226]  Msg.area Net ... NetMail
    From:    Greg Hills                             Pvt Rec'd
    Orig:    Unlisted system (3:634/392)
    To:      Lisa Gronke
    Msg #1225, Jul-26-97 22:56:48
    Subject: Broken link?

    MSGID: 3:634/392@fidonet 6796b9eb
    REPLY: 1:105/61.0 33d5215c
    PID: FM 2.12.SW UNREG
    FLAGS IMM DIR
     >> From:    Gregh
     >> To:      All                          Msg #19756, Jul-17-97
     20:22:08
     >> Subject: Broken link?

     > So..... now that we've got your attention <g>, what's going on in
     > Zone 3 vis-a-vis selecting a new Z3C (since David Nugent is pulling
     > the plug at the end of July, 1997)???

     > David Nugent is still listed as Z3C in nodelist.199 here (Zone 1
     > version).

    Election is currently under way with a large slate of candidates.
    [Grin] I'll go dig out some stuff from the sysop echoes to feed your
    curiosity.  At this stage it's anyone's guess who will get up: Teddy
    (Denise Webber) is popular but there are doubts about her technical
    capabilities.  Alwyn Smith has a good chance methinks.

    -- Gregh (Greg Hills)

    From:    Gregh                                  Pvt
    Orig:    Unlisted system (3:634/392.1)
    To:      Lisa Gronke
    Msg #1222, Jul-26-97 23:03:20
    Dest:    Eastside Data Svcs  Ii (1:105/16) Portland Or
    Subject: Zone 3 Election - IMPORTANT !!

    MSGID: 3:634/392.1@Fidonet 33daba86
    FLAGS IMM DIR
    * Forwarded by Gregh (3:634/392.1)
    * Area : ZONE3_SYSOP (Fido Zone 3 Sysop)
    * From : Andrew Blume, 3:632/536 (20 Jul 97 09:15)
    FIDONEWS 14-30               Page 6                   28 Jul 1997


    * To   : All
    * Subj : Zone 3 Election - IMPORTANT !!

    @NOTE: IceEdit 2.35 G97704
    Is it just me, or do I think Chris has taken the issue a little bit
    too far here?

    I see it little more than a `How To Vote Card'

    ---[Begin]------------------------------------------------------------

         From: Chris Maddock
         To  : Andrew Blume
         Date: 19-Jul-97
         Area: "Fidonet Netmail"

    Most of you will be aware of the up-coming Zone 3 Coordinator
    (Z3C) election.

    We now have to elect a new Z3C and there are several good
    candidates standing for election.

    I have nominated Alwyn Smith as a candidate for the post of Z3C.
    The Nomination was seconded and after some persuasion, Alwyn
    accepted the nomination.

    Alwyn is steeped in the formation of Fidonet and is uniquely
    suitable for taking Z3 Fidonet through its "maturing pains".

    He is reliable and experienced at all levels of Fidonet
    Coordination having held NC, RC, and ZC posts in the past.

    He knows and expects the responsibilities and burdens of the
    position of the Z3C position.

    There are other candidates with excellent credentials but Alwyn
    Smith is the *only* candidate who has the necessary knowledge,
    experience and qualifications to get the job done.

    His track-record speaks for itself.

    Alwyn isn't afraid to face problems and deal with them correctly
    and properly.

    Decisions that *need* to be made *will* be made and not avoided,
    shelved or made hastily in error.

    Alwyn currently runs =all= the Z3 Zonegates. This is a measure
    of his acceptance of net responsibility and of his service to
    Fidonet.

    He is also involved with other networks and has a wealth of
    knowledge, experience and time to co-ordinate Zone 3 fairly and
    equally.

    It is my thought that we need a few `new ideas'.  Yet these
    FIDONEWS 14-30               Page 7                   28 Jul 1997


    ideas should be well considered and applied so they are fairer
    and more consistent than what we have had in the past.

    Fidonet's great strength is in its `warmth' and `closeness'
    which is sadly lacking in other mediums - notably the Internet.

    Fidonet has moved away from that warmth and closeness over the
    years, not deliberately, but it has changed in this direction,
    and its doing so has lessened Fidonet's attraction.

    We need to attract more people and more importantly, keep the
    people we have.

    We need the unique attraction of a `social net' again so that,
    in Dave Hatch's words ...

        "Trust is the coin of the realm" and "Please is the order of
    the day".

    Without these two very important principles, Fidonet will
    continue to wither.

    We have little else to attract people and little to keep what
    people we have, if we keep heading in this direction.

    Running around in ever decreasing circles shouting "what to do?"
    over and over demonstrably will not work.

    Neither will `knee-jerk reactionism' or `more of the same - make
    more rules'.

    It just plain and simple does not work.
    The evidence is too overwhelming to overlook yet again.

    Therefore :

    I ask that you carefully consider who you vote for in the Z3C
    election which commences on the 21st July and ends on the 27th
    July.  We need someone we can rely on now more than ever before.

    David Nugent has done a great job however he has decided to
    stand down as Z3C after closing his BBS a few weeks ago.
    I thank David for his voluntary services to both Z3, and to
    Fidonet. Well done.

    Send your vote by NETMAIL to Jackson Harding at 3:800/857
    between the 21st and the 27th July with your preferred
    candidates name and a password in the form of.......

    _ _ _ O / _ _ C_U_T_ H_E_R_E_ _ _ _
          O \
    To  : Returning Officer, 3:800/857
    From: Your name here
    Subj: Z3C Ballot
    ---------------------------------------------
    Alwyn Smith           your `keyword' here
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    _ _ _ O / _ _ C_U_T_ H_E_R_E_ _ _ _
          O \

    I urge you to consider Alwyn Smith as the only candidate we can
    rely on to get us successfully through the next two years.

    Sincerely yours,
    Chris Maddock
    3:640/302
    [email protected]

    -- Andrew R Blume, 3:632/536  Email: [email protected]

    ... MUM'S HINT #043: Smile when you change that diaper.
    -+- Fmail 1.22a+/RA 2.50+
     + Origin: Madness takes its toll. Please have correct change.
       (3:632/536)

    <==========END OF FORWARDED MATERIAL

    -- Gregh (Greg Hills)

    --- GoldED 2.41+
    Via FrontDoor 143:10000/0@Godnet, Jul 27 1997 at 0:54

    [1222 / 1226]  Msg.area Net ... NetMail
    From:    Gregh                                  Pvt
    Orig:    Unlisted system (3:634/392.1)
    To:      Lisa Gronke
    Msg #1223, Jul-26-97 23:04:48
    Dest:    Eastside Data Svcs  Ii (1:105/16) Portland Or
    Subject: Z3C Ballot

    MSGID: 3:634/392.1@Fidonet 33dabaee
    FLAGS IMM DIR
    * Forwarded by Gregh (3:634/392.1)
    * Area : ZONE3_SYSOP (Fido Zone 3 Sysop)
    * From : Alwyn Smith, 3:640/201 (23 Jul 97 18:53)
    * To   : Martin Taylor
    * Subj : Z3C Ballot

    Martin Taylor wrote in a message to Jackson Harding:

     MT> After reading this interchange between you and Peter, I am
     MT> starting to wonder WHY we're having a zone-wide poll, when in the
     MT> end the RCs will have the final say anyway.

    The RC's have indicated they will accept the result of the election by
    a majority vote.

     MT> Why didn't you and David just open nominations from the
     MT> nodes/nets, and then allow the RCs to vote on it - as per
     MT> Policy4?

    :)  Weren't you watching when the furor erupted over lack of elections
    for the R54C?
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    Alwyn

    -+-
     + Origin: Soft-Tech, Qld, Australia +61-7-3869-2666 (3:640/201)

    <==========END OF FORWARDED MATERIAL

    -- Gregh (Greg Hills)

    --- GoldED 2.41+
    Via FrontDoor 143:10000/0@Godnet, Jul 27 1997 at 0:54

    From:    Gregh                                  Pvt
    Orig:    Unlisted system (3:634/392.1)
    To:      Lisa Gronke
    Msg #1224, Jul-26-97 23:13:18
    Dest:    Eastside Data Svcs  Ii (1:105/16) Portland Or
    Subject: Z3C Ballot (Ballot Paper)

    MSGID: 3:634/392.1@Fidonet 33dabcda
    FLAGS IMM DIR
    * Forwarded by Gregh (3:634/392.1)
    * Area : ZONE3_SYSOP (Fido Zone 3 Sysop)
    * From : Jackson Harding, 3:800/857 (22 Jul 97 00:45)
    * To   : All
    * Subj : Z3C Ballot (Ballot Paper)

    =================================================================
                 ZONE 3 CO-ORDINATOR ELECTION
    =================================================================

    Below are a list of candidates who were nominated and seconded
    by the close of nominations and accepted the nomination.

    Candidate     + Address
    _________________________________________________________________
    Alwyn Smith   + 3:640/201
    Denise Weber  + 3:670/213
    Kym Gotch     + 3:800/832
    Glen Harvy    + 3:714/930
    Rob Hillis    + 3:632/107
    Carla Perry   + 3:632/360
    David Hales   + 3:800/409

    ================================================================

    Polling will be as follows:

    Polls open           July 21    0001 hrs ACST
    Polls close          July 27    2359 hrs ACST

    *IMPORTANT*IMPORTANT*IMPORTANT*
    Votes received before the opening time or after the closing time
    CANNOT be accepted.

    Votes should be in the following format:
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    To: Returning Officer, 3:800/857
    From: Your Name Here
    Subj: Z3C Ballot
    -----------------------------------------------------
    Fred Bloggs     supercallafragillisticexpialladocious


    You will receive confirmation that your vote has been
    received by netmail during ZMH as soon as practical.

    Jackson Harding@3:800/857
    Returning Officer

    ===============================================================
    Candidates Policy Statements

    (Mr Alwyn Smith has declined to provide a policy statement)

    ______________________________________________________________________
     From : Kym Gotch                           3:800/832
     Tue 08 Jul 97 09:26
     To   : Returning Officer                   3:800/857
     Subj : Z3C Policy Statement
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
      For 8 years now I have run a bbs and have be active in Fido in Sth.
      Aust., I also have taken on the Co-Ordinators job for the Australian
      BBS Registry for South Australia, only 12 months ago.
      I feel that with this knowledge I would be able to do the job of
      Zone 3 Co-Ordinator to the best of my ability, to which I would try
      to improve the harmony with in Fido.

            Kym Gotch...

            Archival Retirevalist BBS -- Sth. Australia
    ______________________________________________________________________
     From : Rob Hillis              3:632/107        Thu 10 Jul 97 05:48
     To   : Jackson Harding                     3:800/857
     Subj : Election matters
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    I'll keep it short and simple.  FidoNet Z3 needs healing, after the
    last war.  (and war is the only way to describe what happened)  I know
    I appear to have strong biases, and though this may be the case, I
    will do my best to distance myself from any decisions I have to make
    as part of my ZC duties.  First and foremost will be a resolution to
    the dramas in RG54 - I will review the situation as soon as possible,
    and deal with it according to policy.  I *will* accept some argument
    over my interpretation of policy, and take different action if I feel
    the arguments are justified.

    I do *not* intend to be a dictator - if things are working, I will
    leave everyone to their business.  If I receive a request to look into
    a situation, I will do my best to resolve it.  One of the best
    strengths I can bring to the position is the fact that I can admit
    when I feel I am WRONG, and change my actions accordingly.

    If anyone has any questions, just netmail me back.
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    ______________________________________________________________________
     From : Denise Webber                       3:670/213
     Fri 11 Jul 97 15:53
     To   : Jackson Harding                     3:800/857
     Subj : Election matters
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
        Policy Statement:

      I have been a Fido SysGoddess for over Seven years, I have been
      running a BBS in one form or another for 11 years, I have been a NC
      in fairly large OtherNet, I have been a ZC in another network,
      though I admit my technical knowledge is not as vast as most of the
      other candidates, I feel that the job of Z3C is something a LOT more
      than just looking after the Nodelist. Fido is in a state of flux,
      and to turn this around there needs to be a new direction, and part
      of this new direction needs to be a Zone3 specific Policy Document,
      which while not usurping P4 in anyway, will help contribute to a new
      positive attitude in Z3.  Even though I cannot change human nature,
      and there will always be those people who want to do nothing but
      carp and criticise, and or pull Fido down, I hope there will always
      be people in the other direction, like myself.

      Teddy

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
     From : Carla Perry             3:632/360        Mon 14 Jul 97 19:17
     To   : Jackson Harding                     3:800/857
     Subj : Policy Statement
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    Policy Statement:

    I have been in FidoNet for almost eleven years - since it first came
    to Australia, in fact.  The REAL CONNECTION, as we were known then,
    was the first node under John Blackett-Smith.  I have also
    participated in quite a few OtherNets in an administrative capacity,
    the main one being PODNet, of which I have been the Australian Co-
    ordinator for several years, bringing the mail to the southern states
    via Queensland, using TransX and an InterNet tunnel.

    While I may not be a technical guru, I know enough to do my job not
    only efficiently, but well.  I have been in FidoNet long enough to see
    that what's coming is irreversible - we have to change, and move with
    the times.  I predict that quite soon there will be a major split
    within FidoNet with each Zone going its own way, and private
    arrangements being made between either ZCs or major mail movers for
    mail exchange, each Zone having a Policy best suited to its own needs.
    Policy at the moment is a farce - it can't be changed or amended
    because there is no IC.  There has not been an IC for many years, and
    it's very unlikely that we'll get one within the foreseeable future.

    Ladies and gentlemen, we are on our own.  We need to break away and
    formulate our own Policy, keeping the parts of current Policy that are
    relevant, and discarding those that are no longer viable in Australian
    FidoNet today.  As Zone Co-ordinator, I would liase with both
    Australian Regional Co-ordinators and the other Zone Co-ordinators, by
    voice if necessary, to bring about the much needed changes and
    FIDONEWS 14-30               Page 12                  28 Jul 1997


    revitalisation that we need to remain a viable Network.

    "IF there is to be a brave new world, us old ones will have the
    hardest time living in it" - Chancellor Gorkon to Captain Kirk, Star
    Trek VI "The Undiscovered Country"

    Any queries can be sent to me at 3:632/360 or to
    [email protected]

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
     From : David Hales                         3:800/409
     Tue 15 Jul 97 16:23
     To   : Jackson Harding                     3:800/857
     Subj : Statement for Z3C Election
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    I have seen the other policy statements by the other candidates some
    short, some lengthy and detailed but policy is already set in P4 I see
    it as the duty of the Z3C to handle anything that comes the ZCs way in
    the interests of fairness to all concerned. An open minded approach is
    required and is what I would be aiming for if selected.

    On occasion I have voiced my opinions on issues from a Sysop view and
    been very much on both sides of the incoming fire. In the position of
    Z3C I believe it is a must to be able to disseminate from ones own
    personal view and concentrate on the good of the whole when handling
    issues wearing a ZC hat.

    I do not believe I should go on here like a political speech and
    promise that I'll kiss babies and give out lolly pops. All I can say
    is I would have an open mind to changes, problems and solutions.

    We are here to go forward, not back and so concentrating on the past
    seems useless although it can give guidance on circumstances to avoid.

    Let's just keep the whole thing going or risk being swallowed by
    Internet. We can sort out anything else on the fly.

    To all the candidates, good luck and thanks for being interested
    enough to put yourselves on the line to support Fido.

    Regards,
    David Hales

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
     From : Glen Harvy                          3:714/930
     Sun 13 Jul 97 18:31
     To   : All
     Subj : Policy Speech
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
          FIDONET IS A RIGHT - ECHOMAIL IS A PRIVILEGE

    This document is intended to give the voter an idea as to where I
    stand on a number of issues affecting us all in fidonet in Zone 3.

    These views are my personal views HOWEVER I strongly believe in the
    democratic process (with all it's faults) and therefor, if elected, I
    FIDONEWS 14-30               Page 13                  28 Jul 1997


    will uphold the current Policy 4 together with our Zone 3 Conventions
    until those policies and conventions are properly changed by way of
    either referendum or a real expression of support from the majority of
    active nodes.

    I am willing to debate these issues with anyone in this echo however
    to re-iterate, they are my views and cannot be implemented without
    your full support in due course.

    FIDONET AND ECHOMAIL

    For many years I have seen echomail to be an effective way of
    canvassing ideas, seeking help, learning about various subjects and at
    times, having a good chat in the less formal echoes. This has been one
    of my greatest uses of fidonet and one my BBS users have enjoyed as
    well.

    Ever since day one however, I have had to ask around to get access to
    some echoes, been ignored by some echomail providers, been abused from
    some echomail providers, simply had my echomail feed cut for no
    apparent reason and been moved from one echomail provider to the next.
    I have seen some echomail providers use the service they provide to
    bully people into accepting situations they would not otherwise accept
    because those people thought they had to get their feed from so-and-
    so.

    I have NEVER seen a message in any echo where anyone has asked or been
    asked to help out with the supply of echomail. It has always appeared
    to have been a "closed shop", particularly at Region level. Only the
    old timers and therefor technically superior nodes were entrusted with
    echomail feeds. No new blood has been openly encouraged.

    I have seen nodes threaten to "pull the plug" if they didn't get their
    own way and many nodes keep quiet because they were afraid of losing
    their echomail feed.

    When some of these echomail providers have also been given the trust
    of fidonet nodes to manage the nodelist, they have abused this trust
    by threatening nodes with excommunication if they didn't stick by the
    rules of some echomail providers and moderators.

    I believe it's time for a change.

    Simply put, I want the *C structure to divorce themselves from
    echomail control and return to what I believe is fidonet's *C
    structure's basic purpose. That is, to manage the nodelist and make
    sure the use of that nodelist is not being abused.

    I also believe echomail has a strong future. Apart from speed of
    delivery issues (and this is rapidly changing), echomail has several
    advantages over newsgroups.

    ZONE 3 POLICY

    In line with the above comments, it is time for us to formalise a Zone
    3 Policy document to support current Policy 4.
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    The policy should concentrate on management of the nodelist and
    specifically exclude echomail from netmail as far as definitions in P4
    is concerned.  I believe this will put the onus on echomail standards
    back on to whom it belongs ie the moderators of the echoes or those
    that chose to read it and/or make it available to others.

    BBS sysops can chose what they want to do with their systems. If they
    carry echoes that deal with things others don't like then that's none
    of fidonet's business. Certainly, they should not be threatened with
    loss of their node number for expressing their own beliefs. Similarly
    however, they cannot expect to demand the provision of an echo from
    someone that refuses to carry it.

    Unfortunately, there will be times when a node should be
    excommunicated from the nodelist. I can think of a few rare occasions
    eg:-

    1. Sending mail bombs that cost other people money to send.
    2. Repeated use of routed netmail solely for monetary reward.
    3. If found guilty by an appropriate Legal Court of an offence
       affecting the use of the nodelist.

    We need a draft to work from - and plenty of open discussion on the
    issue.

    I will make it my primary aim to draft a Zone 3 Policy document and
    encourage the widest input and support possible.

    *C STRUCTURE AND ELECTIONS

    I believe the current method of chosing *C's is outdated. I believe
    the nodes should elect the NC, the NC's the RC and all nodes the ZC.

    A *C should reflect the beliefs of the majority of their nodes, not
    their own personal views.

    A *C MUST be active and quickly respond to requests for help and
    assistance. The *C will be the active moderator of the Net, Region or
    Zone administrative echo as appropriate.

    A *C can be removed by the RC or ZC but must call for a fresh election
    immediately.  The majority of the nodes in a net can call for a new NC
    election whenever they like.

    2 years is the maximum term between elections of any *C.

    ZONE 3 ECHOMAIL POLICY

    I believe the above document should be established however it should
    leave the onus of management of an echo to it's moderator or users. It
    will have no direct impact on the management of fidonet and certainly
    no impact on whether a node is listed or not.

    I believe a "map" of the echomail structure (detailing the route of
    echomail in the Zone) would be of immense help to all nodes wishing to
    obtain details of available echoes and where they can get them at the
    FIDONEWS 14-30               Page 15                  28 Jul 1997


    most economical cost.

    We need to break down our reliance on the excellent work of just a few
    nodes if for no other reason than redundancy purposes. There seems to
    be a lot of duplication of effort going to waste.

    Frankly, I believe this task to be almost as important as a Zone 3
    Policy document however time to manage both as well as the
    implementation of those policies would be too demanding of one person.
    For that reason, I would ask our current excellent (if only defacto)
    ZEC if she would be willing to take on the task.

    QUALIFICATIONS

    I have been in fidonet since around 1986. I started of with Opus and
    Binkley and moved to FD and RA a year or two later for their ease of
    use.  In about 1990, I was asked to become the shareware registration
    site for FrontDoor in Australia. To help offset my costs in running my
    BBS, I also sold Commercial Editions of FrontDoor and RemoteAccess. I
    never made a living from either, my main source of income was as a
    Senior Manager with ANZ Bank in their Credit Department.

    I've held NC, RC, ZC and IC positions in SIGnet, a small International
    network with a similar administration structure to Fidonet. I believe
    my experience with nodelist admin, resolution of disputes, revision of
    policy and assisting new *Cs in that network stands me in good stead
    for the Fidonet Z3C position.

    I have been a hub in net 713 and made many mistakes. I believe I have
    learned from those mistakes and more importantly, enjoyed the
    camaraderie that belonging to an active net can bring.

    In 1995 I obtained a 24 hour connection to the internet and have tried
    many differing programs to provide internet access to my BBS users.
    Some of these have been disasters and some of them I have taken on the
    commercial sale of here in Australia. At present I am a modest ISP
    providing full services including uucp feeds. There are five BBS's
    using my services for uucp feeds (both dial-in and remote) as well as
    about six nodes that hub of me for their echomail feed. I import many
    echoes direct from the USA and Europe (nothing to do with their star
    setup nor Pearces ftp system) and provide them free to dial-in nodes
    and free to my ISP customers.

    I have recently been retrenched from the ANZ and now devote much of my
    time to the BBS and internet interests.

    In summary, I have the technical experience, time and wherewithal to
    undertake the duties of the Z3C.

    FTSC

    I have little knowledge of the workings of the FTSC but I believe it
    to be the essential and authoritative source of what constitutes FTSC
    compatible networks.  The internet has RFC's - we have the FTSC.

    The FTSC has no political standing (or at least should not have).
    FIDONEWS 14-30               Page 16                  28 Jul 1997


    I believe it needs to be reconstituted and be seen to be effectively
    working.

    It is not simply a Zone 3 issue however and will require someone to
    become actively involved in its use.

    I bow to greater and more experienced minds in this respect.

    MY COMMERCIAL INTERESTS

    Over the years, many of you have come to realise that I am keenly
    involved in FTSC compatible networks, both fidonet, SIGnet and
    commercial applications.

    I openly admit to being an ISP, sell FrontDoor, TransX and any other
    good BBS related software I can get my hands on. I would like to make
    a living from my hobby - who wouldn't :-) .

    I also strongly believe in supporting the shareware concept and will
    try to foster other people to do the same.

    Notwithstanding my own commercial and personal beliefs, I certainly
    refuse to allow myself to use my hobby to impinge on others beliefs or
    standards.  If elected Z3C I will encourage everyone to respect the
    shareware concept and register what they use. I will not however abuse
    the *C structure to force adherence to my or anybody else's personal
    beliefs. In fact, I will actively pursue anybody that attempts to do
    so as there is no place in the *C structure for such persons.

    SUMMARY

    I think you will now understand my motto -

    FIDONET IS A RIGHT, ECHOMAIL IS A PRIVILEGE

    With very few restrictions, everyone has a right to be listed in the
    nodelist. To get an echomail feed you have to respect other peoples
    rights and freely given time and services as well as agree to abide by
    the moderators requests and judgements. You, as the BBS sysop, also
    have a right to do with your own system as you like - but you need to
    respect the views and rights of others.

    We need to look and move forward.

    Please consider the above statement carefully. Please also actively
    seek out other candidates views.

    I have great faith in the future of fidonet. With your active support
    I hope we can put into place a new policy structure that reflects what
    we have learnt from our past collective experiences.

    Sincerely,

    Glen
    ([email protected])

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     + Origin: Automatically created at The Cockpit (3:800/857)

    <==========END OF FORWARDED MATERIAL

    -- Gregh (Greg Hills)

    --- GoldED 2.41+
    Via FrontDoor 143:10000/0@Godnet, Jul 27 1997 at 0:54

    -----------------------------------------------------------------

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    =================================================================
                                 COLUMNS
    =================================================================


    FIDONET IN EUROPE
    -----------------
    by David Meikle (2:259/27.4 , [email protected])

    Hi, I have one bit of news this week that the Fidonet in Europe
    homepage is now up and running at
    http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/way/8351/ . You can eMAIL me at
    [email protected] . If you are going to connect to the page
    please wait until Saturday at 7pm (GMT).

    I offered to fix a laptop for a friend a T3100e and all I need is a
    systems disk for that type of machine. If anyone has one could they
    please contact me. Thank you in advance.

    ---+
       +---> Greetings from David Meikle
    --- TerminateMail

    -----------------------------------------------------------------

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    =================================================================
                            GETTING TECHNICAL
    =================================================================

    A response to Steve Woodmore's InetTM flags
    by Lee kindness, 2:259/7, [email protected]

    A response to the proposal posted by Steve Woodmore titled:

       "Internet as a transport mechanism for fidonet
                A proposal for Nodelist flags"

     SW> by Steve Woodmore, 2:440/410 (2:2/200 ZEC/2)
                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Pointless flag waving by the power-hungry Z2EC, Steve what relevance
    has that to a technical specification? You are 2:440/410, nothing
    more, nothing less. Anyway, let's move away from this pointless hohee
    and onto something more constructive...

     SW> 1: FTP (File Transfer protocols)
     SW> 2: Email attaches MIMES/UUencodes (this also assumes tunneling
     SW>    programs)
     SW> 3: Virtual Modems

    4: BinkP, direct mailer usage over IP - differs from VModem.

     SW> M  - This Node is able to transfer mail either by UUencoded
     [ snip ]
     SW>      A node must dial-up their ISP to collect/send fidonet
     SW>      mail at least Once daily to qualify for this flag

    As with everything else in fidonet we should not force any node to
    do anything.

     SW> The Internet is here to stay, we in fidonet can no
     SW> longer hide our heads in the sand and hope it goes
     SW> away.  The flags indicate that we are using the
     SW> nodelist as an alternative transport mechanism, and
     SW> we are in no way becoming a part of the Internet.

    The flags would show a node has the ability to use the internet
    (via a number of methods) to transfer mail. However they do not
    give any information with regards of how to deliver that mail,
    say an email address for email transfer, an IP address for the other
    methods. Without this information these flags really just boil down
    being status symbols, with no real use. An additional nodelist
    kept somewhere on the 'net with this information rather than
    phonenumbers might be desirable - one exists already for BinkP users

    The real solution is to update the nodelist format itself to allow
    for multiple (pnone)lines and transport mechanisms behind one node
    entry. For example consider:

    ; [ snip ]
    ,7,Kooosliam,Lee_Kindness,Edinburgh,PSTN,44-1314-425563,MO,V34b,Tuh
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    Extra,EMAIL,[email protected],MIME
    Extra,PSTN,44-1314-425564,CM
    Extra,ISDN,44-1314-425565,CM,MO
    Extra,BINKP,kooosliam.co.uk,CM
    Extra,VMODEM,kooosliam.co.uk,CM
    Extra,FTP,ftp.kooosliam.co.uk,Tuh
    ; [ snip ]

    as a nodelist entry for 2:259/7 in a new format nodelist (most
    entries are mythical). It basically describes a 'super-system' with 2
    normal phone lines, an ISDN line, and VModem, ftp, BinkP connectivity.

    In general the nodelist entry format would be (where "" denotes a
    literal, <> a term that will be substituted, ()* a sequence that can
    be repeated multiple times and \n a return/linefeed):

    <type>,<node>,<sysop>,<loc>,<protocol>,<address>(,<flag>)*\n
    ("Extra",<protocol>,<address>(,<flag>)*\n)*

    type:     A la the current nodelist format, Zone, Region, Host, Hub,
              blank for node and Point (extension).
    node:     The fidonet address part.
    sysop:    Name of the system operator.
    loc:      Physical location of system.
    protocol: Protocol or type of connection, ie PSTN, ISDN, FTP, EMAIL,
              VMODEM, BINKP and whatever else.
    address:  The connection address, datatype is protocol specific, for
              example with PSTN it's be the phone number, email the email
              address, VModem the IP or host address...
    flag:     Flags for supplying additional information, with a common
              subset and protocol specific flags.

    Such a nodelist could be brought into use with relative ease as the
    new format can easily be converted from the 'Edinburgh' format <grin>
    to the 'St Louis' format: (a sample awk script that does the dirty)

    ######### nlconv.awk ############################################
    BEGIN {
            NF = ","
    }
    # a base node line
    (NF >= 6) && ($1 != "Extra") {
            # is the first entry PSTN?
            if( $5 == "PSTN" ) {
                    # print out old format nodelist line
                    printf("%s,%s,%s,%s,%s,9600", $1, $2, $3, $4, $6)
                    # and the flags
                    for( n = $7, n <= NF, n++ )
                            printf(",%s", $n)
                    printf("\n")
            }
            # goto next line in file
            next
    }
    # Extra nodelist info, ignore
    /^Extra/ {
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            next
    }
    # anything else, dump out as is
    {
            print
    }
    #################################################################

    C and BASIC versions for any platform would be as simple.

    This is an idea that has been playing around in my head for a while,
    nothing above is concrete and more than likely it needs a lot of
    playing around with before it's anything approaching an FSC document
    that could be adopted by Fidonet. I'll post this article into NET_DEV
    for further comments.

    --
     Lee Kindness [email protected]
     Fidonet 2:259/7 [email protected] hufunglun
     http://www.scms.rgu.ac.uk/students/cs_yr94/lk

    -----------------------------------------------------------------

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    =================================================================
                           COORDINATORS CORNER
    =================================================================


    Nodelist-statistics as seen from Zone-2 for day 206
    By Ward Dossche, 2:292/854
       ZC/2

     +----+------+------------+------------+------------+------------+--+
     |Zone|Nl-178|Nodelist-185|Nodelist-192|Nodelist-199|Nodelist-206|%%|
     +----+------+------------+------------+------------+------------+--+
     |  1 |  8182| 7828  -354 | 7828     0 | 7655  -173 | 7482  -173 |30|
     |  2 | 15640|15577   -63 |15485   -92 |15477    -8 |15488    11 |61|
     |  3 |   743|  728   -15 |  718   -10 |  704   -14 |  704     0 | 3|
     |  4 |   519|  517    -2 |  517     0 |  518     1 |  515    -3 | 2|
     |  5 |    87|   87     0 |   87     0 |   87     0 |   87     0 | 0|
     |  6 |  1079| 1079     0 | 1079     0 | 1079     0 | 1079     0 | 4|
     +----+------+------------+------------+------------+------------+--+
          | 26250|25816  -434 |25714  -102 |25520  -194 |25355  -165 |
          +------+------------+------------+------------+------------+

    -----------------------------------------------------------------

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    =================================================================
                                NET HUMOR
    =================================================================


    Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 13:08:45 -0700
    From: "Shari - Oregon, USA" <[email protected]>
    To: [email protected]
    Subject: a man named Jed
    Sender: [email protected]
    Reply-To: [email protected]

    Come and listen to a story 'bout a man named Jed,
    A poor college kid, barely kept his family fed,
    But then one day he was talking to a recruiter,
    Who said, "they pay big bucks if ya work on a computer..."

    Windows, that is... PCs... Workstations...

    Well, the first thing ya know ol' Jed's an Engineer.
    The kinfolk said "Jed, move away from here".
    They said "California is the place ya oughta be",
    So he bought some donuts and he moved to Silicon Valley...

    Intel, that is... Pentium ... big amusement park...

    On his first day at work, they stuck him in a cube.
    Fed him more donuts and sat him at a tube.
    They said "your project's late, but we know just what to do.
    Instead of 40 hours, we'll work you 52!"

    OT, that is... unpaid... mandatory...

    The weeks rolled by and things were looking bad.
    Schedules started slipping and some managers were mad.
    They called another meeting and decided on a fix.
    The answer was simple... "We'll work him sixty-six!"

    Tired, that is... stressed out... no social life...

    Months turned to years and his hair was turning gray.
    Jed worked very hard while his life slipped away.
    Waiting to retire when he turned 64,
    Instead he got a call and escorted out the door.

    Laid off, that is... de-briefed... unemployed...

    Now the moral of the story is listen to what you're told,
    Companies will use you and discard you when you're old.
    So gather up your friends and start your own firm,
    Beat the competition, watch the bosses squirm.

    Millionaires, that is... Bill Gates... Steve Jobs...

    Y'all come back now... ya hear'

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                             COMIX IN ASCII
    =================================================================


    Date: 21 Jul 97  08:45:38
    From: SB Perelman
      To: All
    Subj: Life on Mars?
    _____________________________________________________________________

            Slow ride!
                \                  Yes, but
                                     free.              __
                  '\__/'     '\__/'   /           _____/__O
                   (oo)       (oo)               //
                  //~~\\     //~~\\             //
                 //\  /\\   //\  /\\           //
        _.======""/^/\^\""=""/^/\^\""=======._//
       | NASA     \ \/ /     \ \/ /           |
       | USA      (_)(_)     (_)(_) sojourner |
       |__.-"""-._______.-"""-.______.-"""-.__|
         /  o o  \     /  o o  \    /  o o  \        ___
        (  o   o  )   (  o   o  )  (  o   o  )     _/   \__
        (  o   o  )   (  o   o  )  (  o   o  )    /        \_
         \  o o  /     \  o o  /    \  o o  /    /           \
    ______`-...-'_______`-...-'______`-...-'____/__jro________\
    ~  .   """"" .  '   """""""   .  """"""" . '~  ~ -- .,  '
     ~~ ---- ..  '  .  ,  ~  ~ . '   ~  ~ `   . ..     '   ..
    ... -  `  .   .  '   ~~  ~ .  . "  ' . , ' .  ~~~      . , '

       NASA admits it is not likely that sojourner will
        locate any life on Mars, but is still hopeful.

     ---

            o       SB Perelman, 1:103/505
          )/\,[_)   [email protected]
          `T7 ]=[   Moderator & Curator: ASCII_ART
         ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

     Origin: Shofar _714-838-3837_ ASCII & Ye Shall Receive (1:103/505)




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                    ADVERTISE YOUR FREE SERVICE/EVENT
    =================================================================


    Emanuel Edwards
    1:348/963
    [email protected]

                  IMPORTANT NOTICE TO ALL SYSOPS!!!!!!

    Hello all Sysops and Co_Sysops:

    If you want to get lots of User on your BBS I suggest you request the
    WRESTLING_CHAT on your BBS:

    On the wrestling_chat you can get all the Latest News, great wrestling
    scoops and great wrestling advertisement.  Plus there are professional
    wrestlers reading the messages and posting messages on the echo. The
    echo tag is called WRESTLING_CHAT.

    Sysops around the world is requesting that echo daily.  Please request
    the Wrestling_chat today and don't get left behind from some great
    excitement and entertainment on the WRESTLING_CHAT.  Mark my words
    "YOU WON'T REGRET IT"

    Regards

    Emanuel   Moderator
    Barry Laws Jr   Co_Moderator

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                                 NOTICES
    =================================================================

                               Future History

     1 Aug 1997
       International FidoNet PENPAL [Echo] meeting in Dijon, France

    13 Oct 1997
       Thanksgiving Day, Canada.

     1 Dec 1997
       World AIDS Day.

    10 Dec 1997
       Nobel Day, Sweden.

    12 Jan 1998
       HAL 9000 is one year old today.

    30 Apr 1998
       Queens Day, Holland.

    22 May 1998
       Expo '98 World Exposition in Lisbon (Portugal) opens.

     1 Dec 1998
       Fifteenth Anniversary of release of Fido version 1 by
       Tom Jennings.

    31 Dec 1999
       Hogmanay, Scotland. The New Year that can't be missed.

     1 Jan 2000
       The 20th Century, C.E., is still taking place thru 31 Dec.

    15 Sep 2000
       Sydney (Australia) Summer Olympiad opens.

     1 Jan 2001
       This is the actual start of the new millennium, C.E.

    -- If YOU have something which you would like to see in this
       Future History, please send a note to the FidoNews Editor.

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                        FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING
    =================================================================

    [from a previous Issue] Ed.

    Latest Greatest Software Versions
    by Peter E. Popovich, 1:363/264

    Whew. Been a big month for me, but a relatively slow one for the list.

    -=- Snip -=-

    Submission form for the Latest Greatest Software Versions column

    OS Platform                             :
    Software package name                   :
    Version                                 :
    Function(s) - BBS, Mailer, Tosser, etc. :
    Freeware / Shareware / Commercial?      :
    Author / Support staff contact name     :
    Author / Support staff contact node     :
    Magic name (at the above-listed node)   :

    Please include a sentence describing what the package does.

    Please send updates and suggestions to: Peter Popovich, 1:363/264

    -=- Snip -=-

    MS-DOS:
    Program Name   Version  F C Contact Name      Node        Magic Name
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    Act-Up         4.6      G D Chris Gunn        1:15/55     ACT-UP
    ALLFIX         4.40     T S Harald Harms      2:281/415   ALLFIX
    Announcer      1.11     O S Peter Karlsson    2:206/221   ANNOUNCE
    BGFAX          1.60     O S B.J. Guillot      1:106/400   BGFAX
    Binkley Docs   2.60     M F Bob Juge          1:1/102     BDOC_260.ZIP
    BinkleyTerm    2.60     M F Bob Juge          1:1/102     BDOS_260.ZIP
    BinkleyTerm-XE XR4      M F Thomas Waldmann   2:2474/400  BTXE_DOS
    CFRoute        0.92     O G C. Fernandez Sanz 2:341/70    CFR
    CheckPnt       1.0a     O G Michiel vd Vlist  2:500/9     CHECKPNT
    FastEcho       1.45a    T S Tobias Burchhardt 2:2448/400  FASTECHO
    FastEcho/16    1.45a    T S Tobias Burchhardt 2:2448/400  FE16
    FastLst        1.36     N S Alberto Pasquale  2:332/504   FASTLSTD
    FidoBBS (tm)   12u      B S Ray Brown         1:1/117     FILES
    FrontDoor      2.12     M S JoHo              2:201/330   FD
    FrontDoor      2.20c    M C JoHo              2:201/330   FDINFO
    GEcho          1.00     T S Bob Seaborn       1:140/12    GECHO
    GEcho/Plus     1.11     T C Bob Seaborn       1:140/12    GECHO
    GEcho/Pro      1.20     T C Bob Seaborn       1:140/12    GECHO
    GIGO           07-14-96 G S Jason Fesler      1:1/141     INFO
    GoldED         2.50     O S Len Morgan        1:203/730   GED
    GoldED/386     2.50     O S Len Morgan        1:203/730   GEX
    GoldED Docs    2.50     O S Len Morgan        1:203/730   GEM
    GoldNODE       2.50     O S Len Morgan        1:203/730   GEN
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    Imail          1.75     T S Michael McCabe    1:1/121     IMAIL
    ImCrypt        1.04     O G Michiel vd Vlist  2:500/9     IMCRYPT
    InfoMail/86    1.21     O F Damian Walker     2:2502/666  INFOMAIL
    InfoMail/386   1.21     O F Damian Walker     2:2502/666  INFO386
    InterEcho      1.19     T C Peter Stewart     1:369/35    IEDEMO
    InterMail      2.29k    M C Peter Stewart     1:369/35    IMDEMO
    InterPCB       1.52     O S Peter Stewart     1:369/35    INTERPCB
    IPNet          1.11     O S Michele Stewart   1:369/21    IPNET
    JD's CBV       1.4      O S John Dailey       1:363/277   CBV
    Jelly-Bean     1.01     T S Rowan Crowe       3:635/727   JELLY
    Jelly-Bean/386 1.01     T S Rowan Crowe       3:635/727   JELLY386
    JMail-Hudson   2.81     T S Jason Steck       1:285/424   JMAIL-H
    JMail-Goldbase 2.81     T S Jason Steck       1:285/424   JMAIL-G
    MakePl         1.9      N G Michiel vd Vlist  2:500/9     MAKEPL
    Marena         1.1 beta O G Michiel vd Vlist  2:500/9     MARENA
    Maximus        3.01     B P Tech              1:249/106   MAX
    Max User Ed.   0.18     O F Larry Cooke       1:300/53    MUE
    McMail         1.0      M S Michael McCabe    1:1/148     MCMAIL
    MDNDP          1.18     N S Bill Doyle        1:388/7     MDNDP
    Msged          4.10     O G Andrew Clarke     3:635/728   MSGED41D.ZIP
    Msged/386      4.10     O G Andrew Clarke     3:635/728   MSGED41X.ZIP
    NEF            2.38     O S Alberto Pasquale  2:332/504   NEFD
    Opus CBCS      1.79     B P Christopher Baker 1:374/14    OPUS
    O/T-Track      2.66     O S Peter Hampf       2:241/1090  OT
    PcMerge        2.8      N G Michiel vd Vlist  2:500/9     PCMERGE
    PlatinumXpress 1.3      M C Gary Petersen     1:290/111   PX13TD.ZIP
    QuickBBS       2.81     B S Ben Schollnick    1:2613/477  QUICKBBS
    RAR            2.01     C S Ron Dwight        2:220/22    RAR
    RemoteAccess   2.50     B S Mark Lewis        1:3634/12   RA
    Silver Xpress
      Door         5.4      O S Gary Petersen     1:290/111   FILES
      Reader       4.4      O S Gary Petersen     1:290/111   SXR44.ZIP
    Spitfire       3.51     B S Mike Weaver       1:3670/3    SPITFIRE
    Squish         1.11     T P Tech              1:249/106   SQUISH
    StealTag UK    1.c...   O F Fred Schenk       2:284/412   STEAL_UK
    StealTag NL    1.c...   O F Fred Schenk       2:284/412   STEAL_NL
    T-Mail         2.600    M S Ron Dwight        2:220/22    TMAIL
    Telegard       3.02     B F Tim Strike        1:259/423   TELEGARD
    Terminate      4.00     O S Bo Bendtsen       2:254/261   TERMINATE
    Tobruk         0.33     T G Paul Edwards      3:711/934   TOBRUK
    TosScan        1.01     T C JoHo              2:201/330   TSINFO
    TransNet       1.00     G S Marc S. Ressl     4:904/72    TN100ALL.ZIP
    TriBBS         11.0     B S Gary Price        1:3607/26   TRIBBS
    TriDog         11.0     T F Gary Price        1:3607/26   TRIDOG
    TriToss        11.0     T S Gary Price        1:3607/26   TRITOSS
    WaterGate      0.92     G S Robert Szarka     1:320/42    WTRGATE
    WWIV           4.24a    B S Craig Dooley      1:376/126   WWIV
    WWIVTOSS       1.36     T S Craig Dooley      1:376/126   WWIVTOSS
    xMail          2.00     T S Thorsten Franke   2:2448/53   XMAIL
    XRobot         3.01     O S JoHo              2:201/330   XRDOS

    OS/2:
    Program Name   Version  F C Contact Name      Node        Magic Name
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    ALLFIX/2       1.10     T S Harald Harms      2:281/415   AFIXOS2
    BGFAX          1.60     O S B.J. Guillot      1:106/400   BGFAX
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    Binkley Docs   2.60     M F Bob Juge          1:1/102     BDOC_260.ZIP
    BinkleyTerm    2.60     M F Bob Juge          1:1/102     BOS2_260.ZIP
    BinkleyTerm-XE XR4      M F Thomas Waldmann   2:2474/400  BTXE_OS2
    CFRoute        0.92     O G C. Fernandez Sanz 2:341/70    CFR
    FastEcho       1.45a    T S Tobias Burchhardt 2:2448/400  FE2
    FastLst        1.36     N S Alberto Pasquale  2:332/504   FASTLST
    FleetStreet    1.19     O S Michael Hohner    2:2490/2520 FLEET
    GEcho/Pro      1.20     T C Bob Seaborn       1:140/12    GECHO
    GIGO           07-14-96 G S Jason Fesler      1:1/141     INFO
    GoldED         2.50     O S Len Morgan        1:203/730   GEO
    GoldED Docs    2.50     O S Len Morgan        1:203/730   GEM
    GoldNODE       2.50     O S Len Morgan        1:203/730   GEN
    ImCrypt        1.04     O G Michiel vd Vlist  2:500/9     IMCRYPT
    Maximus        3.01     B P Tech              1:249/106   MAXP
    Max User Ed.   0.18     O F Larry Cooke       1:300/53    MUEP
    Msged/2        4.10     O G Andrew Clarke     3:635/728   MSGED41O.ZIP
    NEF            2.38     O S Alberto Pasquale  2:332/504   NEF
    PcMerge        2.3      N G Michiel vd Vlist  2:500/9     PCMERGE
    RAR            2.01     C S Ron Dwight        2:220/22    RAR2
    Squish         1.11     T P Tech              1:249/106   SQUISHP
    T-Mail         2.600    M S Ron Dwight        2:220/22    TMAIL2
    Tobruk         0.33     T G Paul Edwards      3:711/934   TOBRUK
    XRobot         3.01     O S JoHo              2:201/330   XROS2

    Windows (16-bit apps):
    Program Name   Version  F C Contact Name      Node        Magic Name
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    BeeMail        1.0      M C Andrius Cepaitis  2:470/1     BEEMAIL
    FrontDoor APX  1.12     P S Mats Wallin       2:201/329   FDAPXW

    Windows (32-bit apps):
    Program Name   Version  F C Contact Name      Node        Magic Name
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    Argus 95       2.62     M S Max Masyutin      2:469/77    ARGUS95
    Argus NT       2.62     M S Max Masyutin      2:469/77    ARGUSNT
    Argus NT/IP    2.62     M S Max Masyutin      2:469/77    ARGUSIP
    BeeMail        1.0      M C Andrius Cepaitis  2:470/1     BEEMAIL
    Binkley Docs   2.60     M F Bob Juge          1:1/102     BDOC_260.ZIP
    BinkleyTerm    2.60     M F Bob Juge          1:1/102     BW32_260.ZIP
    CFRoute        0.92     O G C. Fernandez Sanz 2:341/70    CFR
    FastLst        1.36     N S Alberto Pasquale  2:332/504   FASTLSTW
    GoldED         2.50     O S Len Morgan        1:203/730   GEO
    GoldED Docs    2.50     O S Len Morgan        1:203/730   GEM
    Maximus        3.01     B P Tech              1:249/106   MAXN
    Msged/NT       4.10     O G Andrew Clarke     3:635/728   MSGED41W.ZIP
    NEF            2.38     O S Alberto Pasquale  2:332/504   NEFW
    PlatinumXpress 2.00     M C Gary Petersen     1:290/111   PXW-INFO
    T-Mail         2.600    M S Ron Dwight        2:220/22    TMAILNT
    WinFOSSIL/95   1.12 r4  F S Bryan Woodruff    1:343/294   WNFOSSIL.ZIP
    WinFOSSIL/NT   1.0 beta F S Bryan Woodruff    1:343/294   NTFOSSIL.ZIP

    Unix:
    Program Name   Version  F C Contact Name      Node        Magic Name
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    ifmail         2.10     M G Eugene Crosser    2:293/2219  IFMAIL
    ifmail-tx      ...tx8.2 M G Pablo Saratxaga   2:293/2219  IFMAILTX
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    ifmail-tx.rpm  ...tx8.2 M G Pablo Saratxaga   2:293/2219  IFMAILTX.RPM
    Msged          4.00     O G Paul Edwards      3:711/934   MSGED
    Tobruk         0.33     T G Paul Edwards      3:711/934   TOBRUK

    Amiga:
    Program Name   Version  F C Contact Name      Node        Magic Name
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    CrashMail      1.23     T X Fredrik Bennison  2:205/324   CRASHMAIL
    CrashTick      1.1      O F Fredrik Bennison  2:205/324   CRASHTICK
    DLG Pro BBOS   1.15     B C Holly Sullivan    1:202/720   DLGDEMO
    GMS            1.1.85   M S Mirko Viviani     2:331/213   GMS
    Msged          4.00     O G Paul Edwards      3:711/934   MSGED
    Tobruk         0.33     T G Paul Edwards      3:711/934   TOBRUK

    TrapDoor       1.86.b2  M S Maximilian Hantsch
                                                  2:310/6     TRAPDOOR
    TrapDoor       1.86.b2  M S Maximilian Hantsch
                                                  2:310/6     TRAPBETA
    TrapToss       1.50     T S Rene Hexel        2:310/6     TRAPTOSS

    Atari:
    Program Name   Version  F C Contact Name      Node        Magic Name
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    ApplyList      1.00     N F Daniel Roesen     2:2432/1101 APLST100.LZH
    BinkleyTerm/ST 3.18pl2  M F Bill Scull        1:363/112   BINKLEY
    BTNC           2.00     N G Daniel Roesen     2:2432/1101 BTNC
    JetMail        0.99beta T S Joerg Spilker     2:2432/1101 JETMAIL
    Semper         0.80beta M S Jan Kriesten      2:2490/1624 SMP-BETA

    Function: B-BBS, P-Point, M-Mailer, N-Nodelist, G-Gateway, T-Tosser,
              C-Compression, F-Fossil, O-Other. Note: Multifunction will
              be listed by the first match.

    Cost: P-Free for personal use, F-Freeware, S-Shareware, C-Commercial,
          X-Crippleware, D-Demoware, G-Free w/ Source

    Please send updates and suggestions to: Peter Popovich, 1:363/264

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    the FidoNews homepage listed in the Masthead information.

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                           FIDONET BY INTERNET
    =================================================================

    This is a list of all FidoNet-related sites reported to the Editor as
    of this appearance.

    ============

    FidoNet:

      Homepage     http://www.fidonet.org
      FidoNews     http://ddi.digital.net/~cbaker84/fidonews.html
      HTML FNews   http://www.geocities.com/Athens/6894/
      WWW sources  http://www.scms.rgu.ac.uk/students/cs_yr94/lk/fido.html
      FTSC page    http://www2.blaze.net.au/ftsc.html
      Echomail     http://www.portal.ca/~awalker/index.html
      WebRing      http://ddi.digital.net/~cbaker84/fnetring.html

    ============

    Zone 1:       http://www.z1.fidonet.org

      Region 10:  http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html

      Region 11:  http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/

      Region 13:  http://www.smalltalkband.com/st01000.htm

      Region 14:  http://www.netins.net/showcase/fidonet/

      Region 15:  [disappeared?]

      Region 16:  http://www.tiac.net/users/satins/region16.htm

      Region 17:  http://www.portal.ca/~awalker/region17.htm
          REC17:  http://www.westsound.com/ptmudge/

      Region 18:  http://www.citicom.com/fido.html

      Region 19:  http://www.compconn.net

    ============

    Zone 2:       http://www.z2.fidonet.org

    ZEC2:         http://www.proteus.demon.co.uk/zec.htm
    Zone 2 Elist: http://www.fbone.ch/z2_elist/

      Region 20:  http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)

      Region 24:  http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (in German)

      Region 25:
                  http://members.aol.com/Net254/

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      Region 27:  http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm

      Region 29:  http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/  (in French)

      Region 30:  http://www.fidonet.ch  (in Swiss)

      Region 33:  http://www.fidoitalia.net (in Italian)

      Region 34:  http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm  (in Spanish)
          REC34:  http://pobox.com/~chr

      Region 36:  http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/

      Region 41:  http://www.fidonet.gr (in Greek and English)

      Region 48:  http://www.fidonet.org.pl

    ============

    Zone 3:       http://www.z3.fidonet.org

    ============

    Zone 4:       (not yet listed)

      Region 90:
        Net 904:  http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (in Spanish)

    ============

    Zone 5:       (not yet listed)

    ============

    Zone 6:       http://www.z6.fidonet.org

      Region 65:  http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html (China)

    ============

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                          FIDONEWS INFORMATION
    =================================================================

    ------- FIDONEWS MASTHEAD AND CONTACT INFORMATION -------

    Editor: Christopher Baker

    Editors Emeritii: Tom Jennings, Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell,
                      Vince Perriello, Tim Pozar, Sylvia Maxwell,
                      Donald Tees

    "FidoNews Editor"
        FidoNet  1:1/23
        BBS  1-904-409-7040,  300/1200/2400/14400/V.32bis/HST(ds)

     more addresses:
        Christopher Baker -- 1:18/14, [email protected]
                                      [email protected]
                                      [email protected]

    (Postal Service mailing address)
        FidoNews Editor
        P.O. Box 471
        Edgewater, FL 32132-0471
        U.S.A.


    voice:  1-904-409-3040 [1400-2100 ET only, please]
                           [1800-0100 UTC/GMT]

    ------------------------------------------------------

    FidoNews is published weekly by and for the members of the FIDONET
    INTERNATIONAL AMATEUR ELECTRONIC MAIL system.  It is a compilation
    of individual articles contributed by their authors or their
    authorized agents.  The contribution of articles to this compilation
    does not diminish the rights of the authors.  OPINIONS EXPRESSED in
    these articles ARE THOSE OF THE AUTHORS and not necessarily those of
    FidoNews.

    Authors retain copyright on individual works; otherwise FidoNews is
    Copyright 1997 Christopher Baker.  All rights reserved.  Duplication
    and/or distribution permitted for noncommercial purposes only.  For
    use in other circumstances, please contact the original authors, or
    the Editor.

                           =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=

    OBTAINING COPIES: The most recent issue of FidoNews in electronic
    form may be obtained from the FidoNews Editor via manual download or
    file-request, or from various sites in the FidoNet and Internet.
    PRINTED COPIES may be obtained by sending SASE to the above postal
    address.  File-request FIDONEWS for the current Issue.  File-request
    FNEWS for the current month in one archive.  Or file-request specific
    back Issue filenames in distribution format [FNEWSEnn.ZIP] for a
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    particular Issue.  Monthly Volumes are available as FNWSmmmy.ZIP
    where mmm = three letter month [JAN - DEC] and y = last digit of the
    current year [7], i.e., FNWSFEB7.ZIP for all the Issues from Feb 97.

    Annual volumes are available as FNEWSn.ZIP where n = the Volume number
    1 - 14 for 1984 - 1997, respectively. Annual Volume archives range in
    size from 48K to 1.4M.


    INTERNET USERS: FidoNews is available via:

                         http://www.fidonet.org/fidonews.htm
                         ftp://ftp.fidonet.org/pub/fidonet/fidonews/
                         ftp://ftp.aminet.org/pub/aminet/comm/fido/

                                     *=*=*

    You may obtain an email subscription to FidoNews by sending email to:

                         [email protected]

    with a Subject line of: subscribe fnews-edist

    and no message in the message body. To remove your name from the email
    distribution use a Subject line of: unsubscribe fnews-edist with no
    message to the same address above.

                                     *=*=*

    You can read the current FidoNews Issue in HTML format at:

                         http://www.geocities.com/Athens/6894/

    STAR SOURCE for ALL Past Issues via FTP and file-request -
    Available for FReq from 1:396/1 or by anonymous FTP from:

                         ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/fnews/

    Each yearly archive also contains a listing of the Table-of-Contents
    for that year's issues.  The total set is currently about 11 Megs.

                                =*=*=*=

    The current week's FidoNews and the FidoNews public-key are now also
    available almost immediately after publication on the Editor's new
    homepage on the World Wide Web at:

                 http://ddi.digital.net/~cbaker84/fidonews.html

    There are also links there to jim barchuk's HTML FidoNews source and
    to John Souvestre's FTP site for the archives. There is also an email
    link for sending in an article as message text. Drop on over.

                           =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=

    A PGP generated public-key is available for the FidoNews Editor from
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    1:1/23 [1:18/14] by file-request for FNEWSKEY or by download from
    Rights On! BBS at 1-904-409-7040 as FIDONEWS.ASC in File Area 18.  It
    is also posted twice a month into the PKEY_DROP Echo available on the
    Zone 1 Echomail Backbone.

                               *=*=*=*=*

    SUBMISSIONS: You are encouraged to submit articles for publication in
    FidoNews. Article submission requirements are contained in the file
    ARTSPEC.DOC, available from the FidoNews Editor, or file-requestable
    from 1:1/23 [1:18/14] as file "ARTSPEC.DOC".  ALL Zone Coordinators
    also have copies of ARTSPEC.DOC. Please read it.

    "Fido", "FidoNet" and the dog-with-diskette are U.S. registered
    trademarks of Tom Jennings, P.O. Box 410923, San Francisco, CA 94141,
    and are used with permission.

            "Disagreement is actually necessary,
             or we'd all have to get in fights
             or something to amuse ourselves
             and create the requisite chaos."
                               -Tom Jennings

     -30-

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