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       Volume 2, Number  8                             1 April 1985
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       |    - FidoNews -                           /|oo \         |
       |                                          (_|  /_)        |
       |  Fido and FidoNet                         _`@/_ \    _   |
       |    Users  Group                          |     | \   \\  |
       |     Newsletter                           | (*) |  \   )) |
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       |                            / FIDO \       _//|| _\   /   |
       |                           (________)     (_/(_|(____/    |
       |                                                (jm)      |
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       Publisher:              Fido #375
       Chief Procrastinator:   Thom Henderson

       Disclaimer or dont-blame-me:

       The contents of the articles contained here are not my
       responsibility, nor do I necessarily agree with them;
       everything here is subject to debate. I publish EVERYTHING
       received.

       You can take this to mean anything you want, but hopefully
       as an invitation to comment, make suggestions, or write
       articles of your own.

                            ARTICLE SUBMISSION

       All articles you see in this issue are written by users and
       sysops, and have one way or another managed to consume disk
       space on Fido #375. In order to get rid of them, and free up
       my precious disk space, I include them here, then quickly
       delete them. Then they are YOUR problem.

       EDITORIAL CONTENT:

       Totally up to you; I publish anything at all. Articles are
       generally Fido or BBS related; this is by no means a
       decision on my part, nor a requirement.

       FOR SALE, WANTED, NOTICES:

       Pretty much self explanatory. Commercial ads are welcomed,
       if of reasonable length.

       SUBMITTING AN ARTICLE:

       Manage to get a copy of your article to Fido #375,
       preferably by Fidonet mail, or by uploading.  The name of
       the file you send MUST have one of the following extensions:

           .ART      An article
           .SAL      A "For Sale" notice
           .WAN      A "Wanted" item







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       ARTICLE FORMAT: VERY IMPORTANT! PLEASE READ!

       The requirements are a little tighter in this department,
       due to purely practical constraints.  I cannot devote hours
       to converting every text format in the world to the one I
       use.

       1.  NO LEFT MARGINS! Flush left please.  We will do the
           indenting at our end, thank you.

       2.  RIGHT MARGIN AT COLUMN 60 OR LESS! Less is OK, more is
           definitely not. This includes fancy boxes, dotted lines,
           etc.

       3.  NO FUNNY CHARACTERS!  This includes formfeeds and other
           oddities.

       4.  NO GRAPHIC CHARACTERS! Believe it or not, not every one
           in the world has an IBM PC. My computer understands
           printable characters from 20 hex to 7e hex. (Space to
           tilde) This is ASCII; "American Standard Code for
           Information Interchange". We are "Interchanging
           Information". Everything else is GARBAGE. ASCII is
           universal; Graphics are not.

       5.  TOTAL ARTICLE LENGTH: Up to you; note, however, that I
           will probably avoid publishing dictionaries, bibles
           translated into NAPLPS, and ASCII encoded LANDSAT
           pictures of Russian wheat farms.

       6.  WHERE ON EARTH IS THIS ARTICLE FROM? Well ... good
           question! A good idea to identify yourself somewhere,
           unless you wish to remain anonymous. Thats okay too, but
           I may balk at publishing rude or otherwise racy
           submissions.

       7.  You don't need to put in separator lines at the top or
           bottom.  They are added automatically when Fidonews is
           assembled.

       Any article that doesn't meet the above criteria will get
       bounced, and will not be published until someone gets around
       to fixing it.  I might go over it and fix it up in time for
       the next issue, or I might ask you to try again, or I might
       just forget about it.  In any event, you must meet these
       standards if you expect your article to be published
       promptly.
















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                         The New Kid on the Block


       That's me.  This is my first issue as editor of Fidonews.
       Since you are reading this, then obviously I've at least
       figured out how to put the paper together.  So far, so good.

       I've already made a few changes, but almost all of them are
       internal things, dealing with how Fidonews is assembled, and
       shouldn't really affect anyone but me.  No big deal, really.
       Everyone develops their own methods for doing things.  Tom
       Jennings and I have developed different methods, is all.

       My short range goal is to totally automate the production of
       Fidonews, so that it will get out on time even if I'm out of
       touch for awhile.  This should be no big problem, as long as
       contributors abide by the submission standards (above).
       This is really more your newsletter than mine, anyway.  I
       just put together the pieces and send it out, maybe with a
       little note from me to you tucked away somewhere.

       So don't think of this as "my" paper, or even as Fido's
       paper (pun NOT intentional).  Think of it as YOUR paper.

                                   * * *

       I've seen at least four different methods of naming
       Fidonews.  The one I've decided to go with is:

                FIDOvnn.NWS

       Where "v" is the volume number, and "nn" is the issue
       number.  I've renamed all my back copies this way, and I
       plan on naming all future issues this way.  What you will
       do, I have no idea.

       But speaking of issue numbers, there seems to have been some
       confusion on this in the past.  Here's the record for 1985,
       as best as I've been able to determine:

               Old                                     New
               Vol,    Publication     Issue           Vol,
               Num     Date            Date            Num
               ====    =======         =======         ====
               2, 1    06 Jan 85       06 Jan 85       2, 1
               2, 2    16 Jan 85       16 Jan 85       2, 2
               2, 3    21 Jan 85       21 Jan 85       2, 3
               2, 3    04 Feb 85       04 Feb 85       2, 4
               2, 4    19 Feb 85       19 Feb 85       2, 5
               2, 5    06 Mar 85       01 Mar 85       2, 6
               2, 6    18 Mar 85       15 Mar 85       2, 7


       The publication date is the date the issue was actually
       assembled, as given in the page headers.  The issue date is
       the nominal "date of issue", as given just above the picture
       of the doggie.  These are never required to match, which is







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       why you get the March issue of a magazine in January.

       The "old" issue number is the number given in the issue
       itself.  As you can see, there was a trivial error in the
       issue numbering, so I numbered my back copies according to
       the "new" issue numbers.  So, by my count, this should now
       be volume 2, number 8.  And so it is.



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                                 NEWS
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       From FIDO #66                     Orange County, California

                      UPGRADE YOUR FidoBBS SYSTEM TO
                     MULTI-TASKING FOR LESS THAN $160
                                   OR TO
             MULTI-TASKING AND MULTI-USER FOR LESS THAN $255.

                          By Robert Bosche', Jr.
                Co-SYSOP Fido #66 (714) 642-4408 - 24-Hours

       If you are like most SYSOPS, you probably run your Fido BBS
       during the hours you're not using the computer for local
       tasks. One computer is not just enough to handle FIDO BBS 24
       hours a day and run your other programs at the same time.
       Until recently we found ourselves in the same situation, and
       disappointed many of our faithful callers while we burned
       the midnight oil. We now run Fido #66 on a 24-Hour basis on
       our only computer and plan to add a second Fido to the same
       computer in the near future.

       During working hours we run other programs such as R:Base
       4000, Microrim's XRW, Wordstar, 1-2-3, PC-TALK III, and
       various editors and DOS files in the `foreground' while Fido
       #66 runs in the `background', on the same computer.

       To say there is no noticeable degradation would be
       stretching the truth, but I will say that the degradation is
       acceptable, even with three tasks/programs running at the
       same time.

       Over the past three months, we tested a number of multi-
       tasking/multi-user packages for compatibility with Fido and
       other popular packages, as well as for speed, degradation,
       other quirks, and finally cost.  We can recommend two of
       them, one for about $160, and one for about $495. Most users
       can get by well with the $160 package. At these prices, it
       certainly beats buying another computer for the present. I
       will explain the differences later. Let's call them p$160
       and p$495 for short.

       P$160 turns your PC-DOS 2.10 & 3.x (not MS-DOS) compatible
       computer into a true timesharing system running up to 9 PC-
       DOS compatible programs concurrently.








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       Up to 9 separate jobs can be run at the same time, but this
       really depends on the CPU and RAM demands of each program
       you run. For our purposes, we find 2 or 3 jobs to be the
       reasonable maximum for our own application mix.

       You don't have to bring FIDO down any more to run other
       programs, or get out of your wordprocesssor to copy a file
       in another directory, just switch back and forth between
       jobs. It's like switching between computers.

       With p$160 the keyboard and screen can be assigned to any
       job, and all other jobs continue to run unattended.

       P$160 requires no additional hardware. An additional $90
       buys the Multi-user version of the package. It uses one
       standard serial port for each additional user (NOT BAD for a
       MULTIUSER SYSTEM). Remote users can be connected either by
       modem or direct via a null modem cable.

       Direct connection yields transmission rates up to 19.2K
       baud. RAM size may need to be increased according to program
       requirements. We recommend 640K, which is the maximum
       directly accessable memory for the IBM-PC/XT & Compatable.

       P$160 is simple to install, and requires only a one-line
       addition to your AUTOEXEC.BAT to allocate memory to each
       job's partition. Once booted, any program compatible with
       IBM PC-DOS may be loaded.

       Simple keystrokes can then cause any job/program to appear
       on the foreground screen, while the other jobs/programs
       continue to run in the background partition.

       Additional p$160 parameters allow you to assign processing
       priorities/time to specific jobs according to your needs.

       We have been and continue to work with the developers of
       this package to enhance its capabilities even further.

       P$495 surpasses p$160 in a few respects which may be
       requisites of your system. P$495 allows use of many IBM
       compatible computers running under PC-DOS in a multitasking
       and multiuser environment.

       P$495 also allows you to implement a number of background
       routines which actually control the way certain `unfriendly'
       software packages manipulate video RAM. The unfriendly
       software then performs normally from the user's vantage
       point, but in such a way that it cannot interfere with or
       overwrite allocated portions of video RAM. The best example
       of an unfriendly program is one that manipulates screen
       memory.

       P$495 supports remote access to DOS, so you can run programs
       from a remote location.

       P$495 also supports a memory expansion card which allows DOS







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       to direct-access up to 4 megabytes of memory.

       Think about the capabilities and use of these package(s).
       The 4 megabyte memory expansion card and multi-port (4 to 8)
       serial cards are also available.

       Please give us a call for additional information. We'll be
       more than happy to work with you to resolve any questions
       and supply any of the required software or hardware at very
       reasonable prices.

       For your information, Fido #66 runs on a Compaq portable
       packed with 640K, 2 DSDD floppies, a 33.5 meg hard disk, a
       ProModem 1200, 3 serial ports, a Kimtron (PC lookalike)
       terminal, a Heathkit/Zenith terminal, a Citizen MSP-15
       printer and a few other `put-togethers'.


           Bob Bosche'
           The ASC/US Group
           The ASC/US Computer Price Club
           Fido #66:    (714) 642-4408      24-Hours
           Voice lines: (714) 642-7949      10:00AM - 6:00PM PST
                        (714) 642-2582         "        "     "


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       From: Jon Tara on FIDO #92
       Subject: AT hard disk rumors

       Disclaimer: This is pure conjecture.  I've take a few slips
       of the tongue from various sources, and put them together to
       make a viable rumor...

            IBM will soon announce the availabilty of a "40MB"
       PC-AT.  Because consumer confidence in the ill-fated 20MB AT
       drive is so low, IBM may even offer the 40MB AT at the same
       price as the current 20MB model, and offer to upgrade
       existing 20MB drives.

            The new drive is actually a 33MB (formatted) drive from
       CMI - the same company that makes the 20MB drive.  Some
       marketing genius at IBM decided, though, to follow the lead
       of the sleazier end of the micro industry, and use the
       unformatted capacity of 40MB in the company's literature.

            Many theories have been offered about the cause of the
       problems with the 20MB drive.  One is that the controller
       leaks write current during reads, resulting in the slow
       erasure of data.  But users have experienced no problems
       using non-CMI drives on the AT.  The problem is actually
       with the 20MB CMI drive.  The thermal stability of the case
       is insufficient to maintain head alignment, resulting in all
       sorts of havoc, as tracks get recorded and re-recorded at
       different locations.

            The 33MB drive is of a completely different design,







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       which avoids the thermal problems of the 20MB drive.  The
       other difference is that the 33MB drive is (currently) made
       in the U.S., while the 20MB drive is made in the orient.


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       MIKE HAMILTON       SYSOP FIDO #313 & 370

       I'm sure that all Rainbow owners have found as I have that
       there is a bottleneck in system recovery between programs.
       This is generally caused by having to reread COMMAND.COM
       from the disk. Following is the procedure I use for moving
       COMMAND.COM into memory in a RAMDISK.

       Two programs are used RAMDISK and COMSPEC, both of which are
       avaliable on numerous boards around the country.

       In CONFIG.SYS add the following:

          RAMDISK.SYS 21K    (This will create a ramdisk of 21k in
                               size)

       In AUTOEXEC.BAT add the following (G: is used for reference
                                          only the real drive will
                                          be the next one
                                          avaliable)

       COPY COMMAND.COM G:
       SET COMSPEC=G:\COMMAND.COM
       COMSPEC G:\COMMAND.COM
       PATH=G:\;E:\                      (THE E:\ SHOULD BE WHAT
                                          EVER DRIVE IS YOUR
                                          PRIMARY)

       This procedure works for me and inproves system performance
       about 10%.


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       Mike Hamilton       SYSOP FIDO #313 & 370

       I have several scare stories lately about using reinforced
       center floppies. In my company we have over 100 RAINBOWS and
       use exclusively DYSAN disks (they have a re-inforced center)
       to the tune of 1000 per quarter for the past 6-9 months. We
       have experienced no problems excpet with people who insist
       in jerking the disks out of the machine when there is a
       little resistance to removal.

       I don't know where the information got started but it sounds
       like the NY Times article about DEC and their RAINBOWS.

       Anyone else have any experience that can be documented about
       the ???problem???.


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       Article from Kent Leonard
       Fido #77, Boulder, CO.

            First of all thanks to Tom Jennings for all the
       Newsletters until now, and thanks to Thom Henderson
       for his accepting the editorship of the Newsletter.

            I hope that everyone has heard all about the
       dismissal of the Tom Tcimpidis vs PacTel case.
       What is still very unclear to me is just what
       should be the lessons learned by this case, and
       what practical actions should Sysops take as a
       result?

            I am seeing many boards become a registration/
       subscription system, i.e. first time in, you only
       get to leave your name address and phone number.
       The Sysop will then allegedly verify your information
       before allowing real access.  I for one am not
       willing to undertake that kind of overhead to keep
       a Board running, and I really fail to see its
       value in protecting oneself against legal liability
       from abusive users.

            I would appreciate comments from anyone in this
       matter, privately or in this newsletter.  THANKS.

            I might relate one or two interesting comments
       that I heard regarding this case:  The first was
       from a lawyer who was incredulous when told about it.
       Ever since the Greeks has a public posting been
       considered Free Speach and the property owner could
       not possibly be held liable.  He thought the case
       would collapse immediately upon submittal to any court.
       The second comment I got was "What if I go over to the
       Kiosks on the Mall and start posting Credit Card numbers?
       Will the city be held liable?  The merchant who owns the
       store that it's in front of?  How about the bulletin
       board that's in the local supermarket?"  Food for
       thought.



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                             FOR SALE
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            A S C / U S   C O M P U T E R   P R I C E   C L U B

            BBS: (714)642-4408  VOICE:(714)642-2582 or 642-7949


       Although we've spent the last two months down more than up,
       FIDO #66 is back and better than ever. Try it and let us
       know what you think.








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       complete line of products for the IBM user.


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        MIKE HAMILTON                        SYSOP FIDO #313 & 370









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       Seems like everyone and their cousins are in the chip
       selling business these days. So I figured Mike why don't you
       join the crowd. Since I frequently listen to myself here is
       the deal.

       9 chip set of 256k chips for $125.
       3 sets for $115 apeice
       5 sets for $105 apiece
       larger orders call for prices.

       I realise that these prices are below what others are
       offering. I have no excuse for them. My prices will come
       down as the market drops its prices.

       Contact me at fido #313 for arrangements.


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       Here at ADS the computer answers your call, greeting your
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            WANTED

            Does anyone know of any utilities for converting RBBS
       user lists to Fido user lists?  I understand the reluctance
       of some sysops to convert their RBBS systems to Fido just
       because of this one task.  Thanks.

       ---Kent Leonard, Sysop Fido 77



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                          *** UPCOMING EVENTS ***

       14 Apr 85 - Submission deadline for next issue of Fidonews.

       20 Apr 85 - New York/New Jersey sysop meeting.