Network Working Group                                    M. A. Padlipsky
Request for Comments: 967                              Mitre Corporation
                                                          December 1985

                         All Victims Together


STATUS OF THIS MEMO

  This RFC notes a significant omission from the networking literature
  and proposes to remedy it.  Distribution of this memo is unlimited.

DISCUSSION

  An interesting thing happened the other day. Some people were up
  visiting from IBM Federal Systems Division and, during the course of
  the conversation, one of them pointed out that they had just as much
  if not more trouble with the operating system purveyors about making
  OS "changes" in behalf of networking as anyone else. At the time I
  just observed that it looked as if we were all victims together and
  went on to the next point, but further reflection prompts me to offer
  a few thoughts on the topic to the RFC community:

  o   To us, it's axiomatic that networking code is system code when it
      has to be.

  o   To Them, it's anathema.

  o   We haven't really hit very hard on the point in the literature
      (although I guess I have made a few strong assertions along those
      lines, here and there, and it's at least implicit in some of Dave
      Clark's stuff), unless in my usual slipshod fashion I've just
      missed seeing it.

  o   It would probably be responsible of us to rectify the omission
      (assuming there is one) since the literature is supposed to be
      the way the researchers educate the practioners.

  o   Therefore, I propose a new subseries of RFCs on how the
      networking code was integrated with various OSs, with an eye
      toward subsequent publication of the collection in the open
      literature (RFCs being only semi-open, after all). I'll even
      volunteer to coordinate, at least to the extent of taking offers
      from people who are willing to tackle various systems and telling
      them who else is having a bash at the same one for purposes of
      possible collaboration--and possibly even merging the results of
      separate efforts if people just send in things they've already
      done. (I suppose I even have to offer to do a bit of editing, if
      people want.)




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RFC 967                                                    December 1985
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  What I'd like to see emerge is a bunch of little essays along the
  lines of what I attempted to do on Multics in RFC 928, pp.14-21,
  which would probably be a waste of electrons to reproduce here, but I
  will if Jon thinks it's worthwhile at some level. With luck,
  volunteers will emerge to discuss all of the major operating systems
  currently on the net and most of the minor ones as well, since one of
  the most interesting philosophical aspects of the exercise is to see
  just what cuts and pastes get made to any OS if it's networked. My
  guess is that given more modern systems' tendencies to make adding
  device drivers more straightforward and to offer interprocess
  communication primitives at the system level, the likeliest
  difficulties to encounter would be getting on the process creation
  path appropriately for Telnet--but that's reasoning ahead of the
  data. Suffice it to say that each piece should address Host-Host
  protocol interpreter(s) integration as well as Host-Comm Subnet
  Processor PI (including device driver, if one), plus something about
  Telnet and something else about FTP (at least to the extent of
  whether it's per-user or "monolithic"--on the server side, that is),
  and, of course, some relevant anatomizing of the OS itself.

  The moral, it seems to me, is that we have a chance to strike back at
  the oppressors by showing them what they should be furnishing with
  their silly off-the-rack systems if they are going to continue to
  object to our alterations to make the bloody things fit anywhere near
  right. It's a little extra effort on our part, but it's probably a
  worthy goal. Indeed, if anybody from IPTO is watching I suppose I'd
  even go so far as to suggest a pro tem System Integration Task force
  if I hadn't already volunteered once in this thing and used up my
  quota.

  Think about it.

EDITOR'S NOTE

  The editor recalls a session at the 5th Data Communication Symposium
  (the one at Snowbird) titled "Impact of Networks on Host-System
  Design and Architecture". (1977)












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