Network Working Group                                 John Davidson
Request for Comments #355                             UH-ALOHA SYSTEM
NIC # 10597                                           9 June 72
Category:  Local Echoing, Remote Echoing, Satellite
References:  RFC 346














                       RESPONSE TO NWG/RFC 346

















                            John Davidson

                             June 9, 1972











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  Long transmission delays such as those inherent in satellite
  communication are most certainly a cause for concern among users of
  remote interactive systems.  Since the University of Hawaii will, by
  the end of this year, be linked to the ARPANET via satellite, the
  consequences of such delays are perhaps of more immediate concern to
  us than to current members of the surface net.  Consequently the BCC
  500 research group here has been studying various solutions to the
  problems of buffer allocation, partitioned echoing, etc. re-introduced
  in RFC 346.

       Generally, the solutions come from extensions to the original
  design concepts of the BCC 500 distributed communication system.  The
  500 was designed to serve a large number of geographically-scattered
  users each of whom accessed the central computing facility through one
  of several remote concentrators.  [The concept is not too unlike that
  of users at different TIPs all accessing a single host.] Since it was
  felt that in full-duplex, character-by-character interaction, echo
  delays of any noticeable length should not be tolerated, a facility
  was provide whereby the concentrator could provide local (to the
  terminal) echoing when deemed appropriate.  (A character input/output
  microprocessor, the CHIO, in implicit conjunction with the terminal
  user's process executing in the CPU dictated when it was appropriate.)
  The problems associated with coordinating the concentrator and CHIO in
  the partioning of echoing were solved for the BCC 500, but are not
  immediately extensible to the asynchronous message transmissions of
  the ARPANET - especially with the introduction of satellite delays.
  As stated, we are working on some viable alternatives.

       It is not known, at present, what effects the incorporation of
  these partitioned echoing techniques might have on the existing net.
  Perhaps local echoing will become a function of User TELNETs; most
  certainly local echoing should be available in the TIP.  But could it
  be incorporated into the IMP so that TIP and User TELNETs can be used
  without change?  If so, what happens to the concentrator's local
  echoing capability in a system such as the BCC 500?

       These questions do not have immediate answers.  Other problems
  obviously exist because of the differences in serving system
  conventions for terminal control.  We, in conjunction with the ILLIAC
  group at NASA-AMES, are seeking solutions to such problems in general,
  with an eye toward their implementation








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  on the net.  I would appreciate hearing of any other research being
  performed in this area, and will be happy to discuss the findings of
  our group with any interested parties.















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