The Hobbit
A Guide for Minimums
By Logan West (A.K.A. The Shadow A.K.A. ShadowN64),
Expressly for the Nintendo GameCube:
Copyright (c) 2004-2005. All rights reserved.
Table of Contents:
1. Introduction (INTRDCTN)
2. Basic Stuff Every Minimum Hunter Should Know (BSC)
3. Walkthroughs (WLKTHRGHS)
3a. Chapter 1 - An Unexpected Party (CHPTR1)
3b. Chapter 2 - Roast Mutton (CHPTR2)
3c. Chapter 3 - Troll Hole (CHPTR3)
3d. Chapter 4 - Overhill and Underhill (CHPTR4)
3e. Chapter 5 - Riddles in the Dark (CHPTR5)
3f. Chapter 6 - Flies and Spiders (CHPTR6)
3g. Chapter 7 - Barrels out of Bond (CHPTR7)
3h. Chapter 8 - A Warm Welcome (CHPTR8)
3i. Chapter 9 - Inside Information (CHPTR9)
3j. Chapter 10 - Gathering of the Clouds (CHPTR10)
3k. Chapter 11 - The Clouds Burst (CHPT11)
4. Rankings of Participants (RNKNGS)
5. Copyright Information (CPYRGHT)
6. Version History (VRSN)
7. Contact Information (CNTCT)
8. Credits (CRDTS)
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1. Introduction (INTRDCTN)
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Notice! If you've just bought this game, don't bother to read further. Hit the
"Back" button and check out my other guide. If you're a thrill seeker, read on.
Well, you've gone through the game once. Maybe twice. Then you went back and
achieved the ultimate goal: a perfect score on every single level, a goal even
more proud if you did it without using a walkthrough. So now you're wondering
"what's left to do in this game? I guess the replay value isn't that great."
Well that's where you're wrong my friend! There is always some replay value in
every game, it's just harder to find it in some games......
However, there is one more quest in front of us, before the game goes on the
shelf forever: Minimums. Ah! The very word inspires a sense of awe, a vast
field of adventure awaiting to be discovered, the challenges that await, the
puzzles that will befall you, all passes in quickly in front of your eye's mind
and then fades away into permanent oblivion. MINIMUMS???!!!!!!
Okay, so maybe it's not the best way to spend your time, but it can be more fun
than going for perfects. Allow me to explain.
Take a trial run on the very first level, it shouldn't take more than ten
minutes. Go through and try to get the lowest score you can. Hard isn't it?
There are some Courage Points that you just HAVE to get, and then there's the
annoying fact that Sandyman gives you 75 whole Courage Points just for helping
him out. Talk about CHEEK! As you can see, it's much more of a puzzle to figure
out how to get AROUND all these Courage Points littering the path than it is to
collect them all. Running around collecting Courage Points is for normal
people, not adventurers like us! How would you like to tell your friends "hey,
I got 87 Courage Points on the first level of The Hobbit, I dare YOU to get
that low" and of course if they don't a lot of neat little tricks, they'll
never be able to do it and they will be in awe of your minimum catching
abilities! Well, maybe.
But it is a lot of fun and I encourage you to try it a little, I plan on
keeping some sort of rankings so you'll be able to see how you place against
other gamers. Good luck and I hope you stay the course!
Shadow
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2. Basic Stuff Every Minimum Hunter Should Know (BSC)
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The only bad thing about using this particular Hot Key, is every time I type
"abscond" or some similar word, the search will pick it up. Oh well, such is
life.
The basic stuff you need to know is to not pick up Courage Points. Courage
Points are bad, they hurts us precioussss.
There are a few things I'd like to mention though, whenever possible, avoid
Silver Pennies at all costs. You have to get SOME Courage Points but you don't
always have to get Silver Pennies (none at all up to the time of this writing).
So if you have the choice between Courage Points and Silver Pennies (you HAVE
to take one or the other) then chose the Courage Points and leave the Pennies.
Since we're going for low scores here, and since all the vile creatures drop
Courage Points, we've since decided that we won't kill any of the critters.
They are more beneficial to us alive. Just jump a lot to avoid them.
This said, there sometimes occurs a phenomenon which I call "Spontaneous
Courage Points" where you'll be walking along fine and dandy and all of a
sudden Bilbo will sprout a bunch of Courage Points out of the top of his head.
Strange isn't it? I figure it's from creatures that you left behind before
suddenly disappear and the Courage Points are teleported to you. This is most
inconvenient but thankfully predictable, if it keeps happening to you, restart
from your former save point, wait about the length of time it usually happens,
and just be running around. If you're running, the Courage Points will just
spurt out and leave a trail on the ground. I've noticed this mainly on Chapter
3: Troll Holl so far but it may happen on later levels.
There are times where it is perfectly acceptable, and even beneficial to skip
objectives such as on Chapter 2: Roast Mutton where it is possible to skip
opening the floodgates. This is useful because you don't have to pick up all
the nasty rewards that spill out when you complete those two objectives.
As always, I suggest going through this and trying a level on your own and see
how low you can get, then compare with my walkthrough, if you don't do as well
as me, then you can of course try again (remember to always keep at least two
save files for whatever chapter you're on!) or if you get better, or have a
better method then I'll be happy to hear about it! See the contact section.
Have fun and enjoy yourself is the key. Let me know your scores and I'll give
you a ranking-when I get around to updating of course :S
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3. Walkthroughs (WLKTHRGHS)
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Prologue: DreamWorld
We don't really have to worry about anything in this area, there are no Courage
Points, no Silver Pennies, nothing of value (thankfully!) so just run through
this area as normal
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3a. Chapter 1: An Unexpected Party (CHPTR1)
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As the level starts out of course you have to get your walking stick before you
can get outside (and it proves helpful later on in this quest so it's best to
get in anyway) but on your way, rats! They had to stick a large red Courage
Point in your way! This is unfortunate but unavoidable. Pick it up and then out
the front door.
Outside, Bilbo complains about the hole in his pocket but we're not on a quest
to collect Silver Pennies! We're out to save the world here!-Okay, not really,
but we can pretend it's something important like that.
I would suggest saving at the save station outside Bilbo's front door, because
you may have to try some of the tactics in this level a couple of times. It
doesn't really matter because you'll restart at the beginning of this level
anyway but hey! It can't hurt!
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Checkpoint! 5 Courage Points
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Head on down the path, it's pretty easy to avoid all the Courage Points and
that lone Silver Penny on your way past Gammer's house, then continue all the
way down the path toward the river. Before reaching it though, the group of
Hobbit Children greet you (Incidentally, one of them happens to become the
father of Sam later on) but we don't have time to play, the first thing to do
is go talk to Sandyman. If you try going behind him instead of going right in
front, the cutscene warps you to standing in front of him, I don't know if this
helps, but it allows you to only collect two of the three CP leading up to him.
He tells you to go get the hammer and nails so we'll go ahead and do that.
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CheckPoint! 7 Courage Points
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There are two methods for getting inside the mill, I'll detail both, it's up to
you to choose the route you prefer. MirrorFoil confirmed Method two which is
actually probably easier than mine, but gets you the same amount of Courage
Points ;)
Method 1:
Rather than gallavanting in the front door, we'll take the long route and go
around the right hand side of the mill, past the wheel, and to the back door.
Here's a tricky part and it might take a few tries if you're not careful:
You want to get inside this doorway and only collect two of the three Courage
Points that are waiting inside the doorway. It is possible, if you hug the
right hand doorjam and just barely slip inside the doorway. If you aren't
hugging that wall, the third CP will jump at you. Another tip is to walk
slowly, if you run, it seems as though Bilbo's feet kick up too much, getting
too close to that lone Courage Point and it snags him. Maybe it's silly, but
every Courage Point counts!
Once you get inside the doorjam and are awaiting further orders, I'm going to
tell you to do a Pole Jump off of the corner of this upper level, and grab onto
that rope in the center of the barn. No further stray Courage Points should be
acquired in this level before you get to the door of the Green Dragon Inn. Got
that? NONE.
So where were we? Oh yes, you were hanging precariously on that rope....right.
Well hop on over and collect the three jars of nails and get back onto the rope
again. Now do a jump carefully (ever so carefully) to the very corner of that
upper area that has the door we entered by. We're going back out that same
door.
Slip out the same way you came in, going VERY slowly and carefully and hugging
that wall, staying as far away from that lone blue Courage Point as possible.
Alternatively you can jump down from the rope to the floor, save, and then
carefully get on the hay bales from the side and edge yourself to a point where
you can jump onto the upper level, wiggle over to the corner and hop up. This
is rather harder though and I would suggest skipping it.
Method 2:
You can jump right inside the front door by going to the building and dropping
down, this should net you one Courage Point, now save at the save station right
inside the door.
Now if you get on top of that large grindstone in the center of the room and
jump for the corner of the upper platform (the same level the back door is on)
it's possible to grab onto the upper level and pull yourself up, alternatively,
you can get on the side of that stack of hay bales that goes under the platform
and work your way so you can grab onto the ledge. You don't want to get any of
the Courage Points on the hay bales though! Once you are hanging onto the upper
level, wiggle your way to the outer corner and then get up, if you don't move
all the way to the outer corner then you'll pick up a Courage Point from the
next platform up.
Turn around now and look for the rope hanging in the center of the room, do a
pole-jump to it (careful not to get those Courage Points up where the next
little platform is to your right) and then from the rope jump to the nails and
gather all three!
Now drop down to the bottom floor and save, this next part may take a couple of
tries. Edge up the ramp out of the front of the mill and jump up to the right
side, if you do it right, you should be able to miss the third Courage Point,
so you basically got two Courage Points getting into this mill.
Congratulations!
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CheckPoint! 9 Courage Points
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Outside! Phew! The hard stuff is over! Walk around the left side of the pond
and when you reach the place where the cliffs start going up, get into the
water and walk over (careful not to grab the Courage Points or Silver Pennies
on the cliff) and get to an empty spot that should be obvious (I believe you
have to pass a Silver Penny and a Courage Point on the way) and then climb up
to the top without getting anything. It's not hard.
At the top, save.
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Checkpoint! 9 Courage Points
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Now go over on the left hand side. We don't want to climb up the rope like
normal people though! We're much too smart for that! What we'll do is instead,
walk up that steep hill on the left and either jump or pole-jump over to that
tall area where Carl is. It's easily possible to grab onto the ledge if you run
up that steep hill on the left and then quickly do a pole-jump back towards
Carl. Ask him for the hammer and then I would suggest picking up that health
potion, you might need it later ;)
Now hightail it all the way back down the cliffs, past the pond, and over to
Sandyman (careful not to get that one Courage Point we left near him from
before). Unfortunately I haven't been able to skip having to repair the bridge.
Sandyman gives you 75 Courage Points for you help and the bridge is repaired
now.
A normal person would saunter on over the bridge, but let's be different and
walk over to the left side of the bridge and into the water. If you hop onto
the last pier/post, you can get around that invisible wall that seems to be
associated with the fence running along the river and you'll be able to skip
all the Courage Points on the bridge as well. Bombur may now catch you but that
doesn't bother us, we're happy now! Circle around the CP leading over towards
the Green Dragon Inn.
Now here's the trick for skipping another three Courage Points that MirrorFoil
discovered. I would suggest saving.
If you run as fast as you can toward the door, press B (to trigger the
cutscene) and then immediately press Start, you'll skip the cutscene and
thereby not allow the Courage Points to reach you! They are of course en route
to you but if you're fast enough, you can end the level before they get there.
Fabulous eh?! Thanks MirrorFoil!
Courage Point Listing
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5-Before Walking Stick
2-In front of Sandyman
2-Getting inside Mill
75-Reward from Sandyman
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3b. Chapter 2: Roast Mutton (CHPTR2)
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This level is really challenging to get a good, low score on, but it's so
rewarding when you do!
Start out and head down the hill, Thorin will talk to you but we'll just skip
him. Continue down past the flower and drop to the bottom. Bilbo sees an
"unfriendly" wolf, but he won't hurt you if you just run past him.
Now, the normal way to get up to where the next dwarf is, is to walk into the
open area, past all the wolves and up the steps, however, there are Courage
Points blocking the way! So my suggestion is to instead go over to where the
rope is hanging down from a wooden crossbar, and if you manage to get up on the
side of the hill and jump up, it is possible to grab onto the very end of that
rope and pull yourself up.
There is a row of CP leading to where you are supposed to do a Pole-Jump to a
platform that has two flowers on it. We want to skip the Courage Points that
are right next to us right now (leading to the platform) so just run alongside
of them. I want you to do a pole-jump out to that platform and grab on. If you
land on your feet you might catch the CP on that platform so you should just
grab onto the edge of the platform.
Then wiggle your way over to the right and climb up. You want to line up the
camera so the edge of the platform is going straight away from you and you want
to have one foot on the platform and one foot off. You're going to run right
along this outside edge like this (parallel the line of CP on this platform).
If you try running past the flower however, he'll (she'll, whatever) attack you
so right as you come abreast of it, do another Pole-Jump to the side that has
the Save Station on it.
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Checkpoint! 0 Courage Points
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All Right! Can't get much better than this! So go ahead and save.
This next part is tricky. As you make your way toward the pond a cutscene takes
place and Bilbo says he has to close the floodgate. The only problem is that
there are three Courage Points leading to the floodgate (we can skip at least
one though) and even worse, when you close the floodgate, a flood of CP rewards
you! How miserable!
So I tried to find a way to get up to that zip-line without lowering the water.
It is possible to hop around the left side of the pond and even though you dip
underwater, if you keep jumping and hugging the wall you can go quite a ways!
However, on the last stretch the water is slightly deeper and so I always died
there. I just could NOT get over there :(
The other alternative was that right underneath the chain on the Zip-line,
there was a spot on the wall you could kind of "stick" onto. I sat there
jumping and jumping for perhaps 15 minutes off and on (Okay, so I'm stubborn
and didn't want to get the CP from the floodgate) and finally was able to get
in three jumps and just barely catch the tip of that chain hanging down!
Whoopeee! I was so excited!
There are 40 Courage Points on the zipline and 4 on the ground next to it which
you most likely got while trying to jump. Getting to this zipline is not easy
to do but it IS possible!
Now carefully go around the flowers and down the hill, there should be a Save
Point there so use it so we don't have to go through that past ordeal all over
again!
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Checkpoint! 44 Courage Points
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Now at this next part, I also didn't want to get the Courage Points from the
floodgate so I looked for some way to get around that without having to raise
the water level.
There was a little spot (where you're trying to get to) that looked kind of
close enough to Pole-jump to but every time I barely caught the edge (it's far)
and since it was rounded as well, I would just slide off. Well.....I kept
trying (every good gamer should have a streak of stubborness) and was finally
able to hit the side of the cliff wall (that is on the right as you jump toward
your goal) and if you hit it at the right angle, it kind of "pops" you up into
the air and you can get far enough to land past where the hill rounds down on
the edges. This spot is off to the right of the rope that you would normally
climb down to the bottom (where the wolves and frogs are).
Just avoid the stack of Silver Pennies on the side.
I was able to do this only twice in about 10 to 15 tries so if it takes you a
while, don't give up! Just keep Pole-jumping sort of partly into the side wall
and hopefully it will bounce you up so you can reach your goal. If you fall
down (as will likely happen) you can jump to avoid the Wolves and just climb
back up the rope to where you were and try some more.
Once you are over, saunter on down the hill and save at the next save station,
we're about to go try to navigate that vortex.
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Checkpoint! 44 Courage Points
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There are lots of Green CP hanging over the vortex that the platforms carry you
next to but we want to miss these. The way to do that is just to stay on an
edge (either front or back) of each wooden platform you hop to. Work your way
into the center and avoid all the Green Courage Points. There are three blue
ones on the rope that are unavoidable, so climb up the rope and go towards the
Troll campfire.
Of course you'll want to walk around the three CP leading into the place where
the Trolls are!
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Checkpoint! 47 Courage Points
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Once inside, the cutscene will take place and after the cutscene, the game
dumps 125 Courage Points on you as a reward. Well that stinks!
Go to the right, avoiding the CP, there is a narrow area where it is impossible
(at least to my knowlege) to skip at least one Courage Point, usually you'd get
all three but if you hug the left side (where the bushes are) and jump at the
right moment, you'll only pick up one. That's the last Courage Point we're
going to collect on this level.
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Checkpoint! 173 Courage Points
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Go to where you can see Bert walking back and forth, when he heads over to the
left, follow him but avoid the leaves on the ground. Normally we would walk up
those steps in front of us but that gives too many Courage Points!
If you quickly do a pole-jump and hide behind the tree, Bert will say something
like "What was that?" And start looking around (so you better be behind the
tree) and then he'll say something like "must have been the wind." And
continue.
When he stops walking (with his back toward you, I think he's facing the
campfire) do a pole-jump toward the next tree. If you just walk then Bill
(William) will spot you, so pole-jump and it triggers a cutscene before you
even land!
It shows Bert walking over to his second track spot. So run over behind the
tree and there is a spot you can jump between the bushes and a rock. If you get
in there (back on the normal path), Bert won't spot you. Then run over to where
the path through the leaves is, when you have the chance (like normal, you'll
have to wait for Bert to be in the right positions to sneak over here).
Anyway, we're back on the normal path and going to where you would sneak behind
Tom who is sitting with his back to you. However, there are three red CP on the
path! So either do a regular jump or a pole jump onto the leaves, then another
regular jump onto the path. He may hear you but sometimes he doesn't and even
if he does hear you, he usually doesn't spot you. But anyway, we got past those
Red Courage Points and back onto the path! Now go onto the first platform, and
then jump to the next really tall one in front of you, you can grab it with the
tips of your fingers. Now to the left is another platform.
Normally I suppose from here you would jump through that path of Blue CP to the
next platform but if you jump instead onto the leaves in the direction we want
to go (towards the next wave station) then the troll shouldn't hear you, just
stick to the left and walk through the leaves to skip the blue and that green
CP.
All right! We've gotten to the save station here and have only picked up one
Courage Point since we started this area!
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Checkpoint! 173 Courage Points
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Now instead of sneaking past Tom like normal while he yawns (since he has three
blue CP in front of him) what we'll do is jump up onto the save station and
then jump over the rocks out into the open, you can hide behind a little
jutting point in order to not get spotted by Bert who is still parading out
here.
When you have the opportunity, run around the dried leaves on the ground and
get over to where you would have ended up if you had snuck past Tom in the
ordinary manner. Good!
Now when Bert comes marching along, then turns his back, keep to the right wall
and then jump over the rock that is next to it. There is a small opening that
you can jump through between the rock and the side wall (this skips the blue
Courage Point on the left side of the rock). Sometimes you get stuck though so
jump around a lot and hope you get out in time and down to where you can hide
behind another rock so Bert doesn't spot you. He walks toward you, then away
again so hightail it up and to the right to hide behind a tree.
Watch for Bert. He should have stopped and then starts walking to the LEFT
again, here's your chance to run down to where you can hide behind another
rock, the one between the rock that has LOTS of CP next to it, and the one that
has one CP next to it. The one we want to hide behind has no Courage Points.
Now wait for Bert (this is the tricky part) and he comes back, as soon as he
turns away again, run up toward the outer wall of this area and do a pole-jump
over the leaves, DO NOT LAND ON THEM! whatever you do! You want to get up here,
run to the left on this little strip against the wall that has no leaves (so
you're more or less right behind the wallet) and then do another pole-jump over
the leaves again towards the wallet, Stick to the right, near that rock so
that you don't pick up that Pink CP.
William may hear you but if you're fast enough and can get to the wallet before
he turns around, you can press B on the wallet and end the level before getting
caught! You should have 173 Courage Points total!
Courage Point Listing
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44-Riding the zip-line
3-Climbing rope out of Vortex
125-"Reward" for finding Trolls
1-On your way to where Bert is marching back and forth at first.
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3c. Chapter 3: Troll-Hole (CHPTR3)
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This level is fairly simple compared to the last one.
Head on down the hill. I chose to skip the weapons upgrade scroll just because
I wanted to. It really doesn't matter if you grab it or not, I can't think of
any place later on in the game that it will help you because you're not
supposed to be killing any enemies anyway, but......if it makes you feel
better, go ahead and grab it. You can chain together two swings with your stick
if you do (like I said, not helpful for abnormal people like us).
There are a total of six CP leading into the area where the wolves are but they
are easy to pass. Likewise the wolves are easy to avoid, just jump on over to
the steps and work your way up the hill, past Gloin (you don't need to talk to
him), be careful though, after using some switchbacks you'll come to a spot
where you'll have to jump up and grab onto the edge in order to get up. Be
careful.
Jump up, grab onto the edge and then wiggle over to the right. We're going to
do the same thing we did with that "pole-jump platform" in the previous level,
run right along the edge of this platform (one foot on and one foot off) and
skip the three CP on it. So line up your camera and go for it.
This next part is rather interesting. It IS possible to skip all three CP
leading into the caves, I did it by doing a pole-jump on the right side of them
(kind of against the side wall) because everytime I tried climbing over that
white rock I picked up one.
Make your way through this first part of the cave and onto the vine to continue
on (not the vine that breaks after a while, the other one) from that vine, jump
to the next and instead of jumping to the pillar that has the Courage Points on
it, jump way over to a spot that doesn't. I haven't figured out how to get
around that lone Courage Point sitting on top of this wall, perhaps it is
possible and I just haven't figured it out yet.
Anyway, continue on into the next cavern, of course avoiding those frogger
thingys and jump up the platform/pillars to get over the next wall. You
shouldn't have to pick up that Green CP on top of it (go to the left of that
CP), but be careful of the ones behind the wall on the other side!
Now hop over the sets of spikes in the ground and walk over and the cutscene
will take place with Lianna.
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Checkpoint! 1 Courage Point
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Lianna asks you to go get her healing draught in the next room. I haven't
figured out a way to skip this either (since you need the witch king crystal)
and unfortunately, Lianna gives you 100 Courage Points for giving her the
healing draught.
Save in this next room. You're supposed to fight a boss here but, uh, lets not.
Let's just wait until his back is turned and then start jumping up the
platforms and mushrooms along the center of the room. He WILL start throwing
mud bombs at you, never fear. Even if he misses, they seem to damage you (one
health bubble per hit) so hurry and get up to the healing draught! Once you
grab it, rush back down and give it to Lianna. I would save after you do this
though.
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Checkpoint! 101 Courage Points
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Okay, now go toward the right and through the middle of the two patches of
those snake things. You can find some mushrooms laying around if you need them
as well. Walk through the middle of the two patches of snakes, straying neither
to the right nor the left (kind of reminds me of going past the lions in
Pilgrim's Progress)
There are three Courage Points right next to the Witch King Crystal stand, pick
them all up, they're too close to try to put in the crystal without getting
them.
Hop onto the now moving platform and ride to the other side, then jump off and
work your way through the tunnels, first going up and right, avoiding all of
the armadillo-like creatures and then jump over the set of spikes in the
ground, continue up and hightail it left and down to get out of the caves into
sunlight again! A pack of the horrible creatures should be on your tail so
hurry and go around the wall to the left to get on a vine and climb up out of
their reach.
There are three Courage Points on the vine that you have to get. Once up, jump
onto the top of that small white rock and see that Courage Point atop that next
little cliff? Well, just jump off of that white rock toward where you see that
you can grab onto that ledge with your hands, it may take a couple tries but
eventually you'll grab on and be able to climb up! You just collected your last
Courage Point for this level too.
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CheckPoint! 108 Courage Points
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We're right next to the Troll's gate so if we had the key, we could end this
level right away but unfortunately we don't so let's do a pole-jump across the
gap into the caves (we're kind of going backwards here). There is a row of
Courage Points ahead of you but if you jump up to the rock on the right side of
this tunnel, you can get past them.
There is a gap coming up and right down below you there is the pathway that you
would NORMALLY come into these caves by, but there were three Courage Points
that you would pick up then.
So jump onto the vine and get to the other side of this gap, go up until the
set of spikes come out of the wall, then walk back, by triggering those spikes
(or by going to a certain point in this tunnel) we triggered that vine we just
crossed on to drop down. This will be useful later.
Go down into that tunnel and continue into that large cavern the normal way.
The cutscene triggers and then you run on, towards the save station. You can
save if you wish, but after you do, go around the nearest stalactite (if that's
what it's called, "pillar" for those of you in Rio Linda) and jump like normal
across the platforms to the other side.
Now....we COULD get the witch king crystal but then that would mean we'd have
to get the three Courage Points around the crystal stand, so we'll skip that,
just continue past those Armadillos, and up that slimy slope, past all of the
little hoppers and see where the Troll Key is at? Well, just jump onto the pods
on the ground next to that platform (be careful not to break them or let those
little hoppers break them!) and then just jump up to the key! Simple as that!
Alternatively you could have continued past those spikes a little while ago (up
in that tunnel) and out of the tunnel done a pole jump to that green vine, done
a jump to the stationary witch king platform, and then done a pole-jump from
there to the troll key but as awsome as you feel doing all of this, I never
could figure out how to get out of that tunnel (across from the troll key)
without picking up at least one of the 8 Courage Points there. Oh well.
Disregard this whole paragraph :)
So you've got your key. There's two ways to get out of here, one (the way I did
it), you can jump to that green vine near you that just dropped, jump past the
eight Courage Points in the mouth of that tunnel (maybe hard to avoid) and
continue on through the tunnel, or two (the recommended way), go back across
the waterfall area and past the armadillos and out the other tunnel, either
way, we're going back to that vine we caused to drop a while back.
Now, somewhere around this time I had problems with something I call
spontaneous Courage Points, where for no apparent reason, Bilbo sprouts Courage
Points out of the top of his head. If you're running then you shouldn't have a
problem, they just drop out behind you on the ground, but if you're on a vine
or standing still....ouch. It can ruin a good run real fast.
I'm not sure where these come from but I think it's from some of the armadillos
we skipped before killing eachother off or something.
Anyway, get on that vine, climb up (or go across) and jump up on the rocks on
the left side to skip those same three Courage Points in the middle of this
tunnel and when you reach the open air, pole-jump across to the other side.
All right! We've got the troll key, all we have to do is place it! Watch out
for the White Courage Points in this area (and the wolves of course) what I do
is go over to the right side and jump over the treasure chest, this allows me
to skip all of the Courage Points. Congratulations on a 108 run!
Courage Point Listing:
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1-On a wall on the way to Lianna
100-For giving Lianna the draught (couldn't the crystal have been enough?)
3-In front of the crystal stand
3-On the wall vines going up to the next area
1-On the wall near the end (where you pole-jump to just before the troll door)
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3d. Chapter 4: Overhill and Underhill (CHPTR4)
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Your only job on this first part is to get to the firewood, which of course is
down along this narrow path on the side of the cliff, I haven't figured out how
to skip those three Courage Points that are right in the middle of the path so
just pick them up if you can't figure it out either ;)
I went ahead and picked up the Sword Tactics scroll because that will be
helpful later on when we fight the Necromancer and such.
Take the wild ride down the hill. No going back up there now!
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Checkpoint! 3 Courage Points
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Not as though we'd have any more anyway though.....but anyway, head on over to
the water area, jump down onto the first platform (but below it, on that ledge
WITHOUT the Courage Point) and be careful not to pick up any CP. Now do a pole-
jump over to the rope hanging out past where the water is dropping off to, then
up, and work your way over to the save station on the other side of this water
area. It shouldn't be too much of a problem to get over there and save without
picking up any Courage Points.
Now bypass the three Courage Points in the middle of this pathway and continue
on over to that rope that is hanging down, there are four Courage Points on
this rope but I don't think you can skip them.
Now go along the little ledge and there are another three Courage Points that
must be picked up on that handhold area. Bummer.
Then on down the path there is another set of three Courage Points! Gosh! We're
really racking them up this time aren't we?! I haven't been able to skip any of
these three, perhaps you can. Anyway, go ahead and save.
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CheckPoint! 13 Courage Points
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Now hop across that gap and over to the ledge, a cutscene wil ensue showing the
stone giants etc. etc. so go around, through the archway and then do a pole-
jump across that gap so we don't pick up any of those nasty Courage Points.
There is a small incline ahead, I think you have to pick up one of those
Courage Points though, go to the left of the group to only pick up one.
There are going to be a couple of wolves nipping at your heels so walk over to
that wall/pile of rocks that has a lone Courage Point atop it and pick it up.
Down the hill and around the legde to where there is two rotten vines and one
good one. Here's where we're going to do a little tricky stuff though. Jump to
the first one and climb up until it's just about ready to break, then jump to
the second one and climb up that one to the very top, now jump to the third one
and you should be at the top of this one, jump off of this toward the ledge and
if you did it right, you shouldn't have picked up any Courage Points off of the
vine! Wowser!
There are three on this ledge that we have to pick up though, so that may
dampen your spirits.....
Go ahead and save at this next save station.
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CheckPoint! 18 Courage Points
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Now, I figured out that you can get the giants to throw a rock and make the
bridge for you without your having to get that red Courage Point, but after
that I can't figure out how to get on the bridge without picking it up anyway
so you may as well grab it at the first. Get on the newly made bridge and
halfway through it, do a pole-jump off to the right so we don't pick up that
Courage Point.
Now avoid these horrible wolves (who apparently can shoot projectiles out at
you or something. Odd.) and run around that second pillar you're supposed to
get the giants to break. Once broken, go to the left side of this new walkway
and hop up on the rock and hop onto the bridge, in this manner we can skip that
red CP at the base, I don't think you can skip the two small blue CP on the
bridge itself but you can easily get around that green one, go into the tunnel.
After a short walk you'll come to a narrow skinny bridge, if you recall, this
bridge breaks when you cross it so just before the middle, do a pole jump and
land safely on the other side, you'll have to pick up the three Courage Points,
at least I did. Save at the save station.
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CheckPoint! 28 Courage Points
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Now if you hang onto the ledge while your just above that rope out there, you
can press B to drop down but then also catch the rope with your hands, be
careful not to pick up those sacks of Silver Pennies though! Get down to the
bottom and run through the exit to the outside, picking up three Courage Points
as you go, drop off to the left and around the corner into a canyon sort of
area, and then into a tunnel, picking up three more Courage Points. Funny how
those little frogmen follow you around isn't it?
After a short loading scene, the music will change and you're down in the dwarf
ruins now!
Go ahead and save.
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CheckPoint! 34 Courage Points
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Now go through the hole at the far end (near the save station) and down inside
after a loading scene you'll find a Courage Point, go into the next cavern and
off to the left of the group of dancing frogmen you'll find the Gold Shank Head
on a low platform, get it and then run back to that rope we just passed, climb
up and jump over to the little ledge with the Courage Point on it (and of
course you got the one on the rope too) and then go over to the left, picking
up three more Courage Points and the Gold Shank Arm. Go back and make your way
to the save station across the top of these pillars.
An interesting note, here was where I just discovered that Bilbo could climb
around on those huge stalactites on the ceiling (if that's the correct term). I
never knew that before! He climbs just like he's on wall vines.
From the save station, jump to the nearest rope gathering in that CP. Now
here's a little trick, climb almost to the top of this rope but not quite and
jump for the next rope, instead of grabbing the rope (and getting that CP on
it) you should grab the ledge that the rope is hanging from! Climb up and jump
the rest of the way over to where the Medium Gold Gear is. Now drop down to the
bottom level, go over to the rope (the first one we climbed in this room) and
go back to the save station. Save.
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CheckPoint! 41 Courage Points
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Now this next part is a little tricky, if you mess up and get the Courage
Point, then go back to the save station platform and jump off to quickly kill
yourself and start over.
What we want to do is either land on the very right edge of this next platform
that has the lone CP on it (we're trying to get into that tunnel) or you can
jump and grab onto the edge of this platform and wiggle your way around to the
backside. Probably the latter is easier.
So anyway, whether you're on the top or hanging onto the edge, get around to
the backside without picking up the Courage Point and jump to the cave! You'll
have to pick up the one inside but hey! At least we skipped the other!
Inside this cave, grab the gear right in front of you, then go around to the
left, we're going to jump to the far left pillar (second from highest) in this
room, get ready, do a pole-jump to the pillar, preferably on the left side of
it as it seems to give you a better chance of grabbing on. Hop up (you'll get a
blue Courage Point) and then jump to the next platform, now turn around and do
a pole-jump to where the save station is. Save.
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CheckPoint! 43 Courage Points
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Now before you go into the tunnel, turn around and get that last part we need
(near the chest) and after the cutscene, go into the tunnel.
Now go place them! Unfortunately you are rewarded with 125 Courage Points, but
I guess we can't skip everything!
It's easy to avoid the three Courage Points right near the entrance we just
opened, so go down into the caves.....
Save off to the right.
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CheckPoint! 168 Courage Points
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Was that really necessary? Anyway, you'll have to get two Courage Points going
along the edge of this lake, jump over to the steps of the tower and when you
get to the last few, do a pole-jump way over there to the raft with the lone
Courage Point on it (kind of towards the steps with the save station on it).
From there, do a pole-jump between the blue and green Courage Point to land on
the stone ledge that also has the green Courage Point. Now carefully do a pole-
jump toward the railing on those steps. You should not pick up the Courage
Point on the steps. Now walk up the railing (right hand side as you're going up
the steps) and jump over and save!
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CheckPoint! 171 Courage Points
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Before I tried going to the raft, I was able to get across on those ropes but I
got an extra Courage Point that way :(
Now this next part you're supposed to place all of the cogs and gears and parts
into those boxes, then do it all over again and get like 250 Courage Points
from it all. Wouldn't it be easier to just skip it? Sure! And I FINALLY figured
out how! I was able to skip the first box but not the second for a long time
but finally figured it out (and felt kind of dumb for not thinking of it
sooner).
Go up the steps after the save station, jump off to the left to avoid those CP
and that shank in the middle, go around them all and keep to the left to avoid
them, run on down past everything until you get to where you can see the steps
going up to the gear box on your right, a Gear is right in front of you, and
off to your left is an island with a pink CP on it. Get out to that island and
land on the very right so you don't pick up that Pink Courage Point. Now keep
pretty close to the right and do a perfect pole-jump just to the left of that
bright patch on the other side. You should be able to barely make it and grab
onto the ledge (sometimes) but you may have to try over and over, sometimes
you'll accidentally grab that Pink Courage Point and then have to drown
yourself to retry.
Climb up, grab the key and quickly press B then A on the keyhole to open the
door! Whooooopeeeeee! I've got great news! We just saved a bunch of money on
car insurance by switching to Geico! Er....or maybe just a bunch of Courage
Points. Careful in this cavern, there is one spot where a sack of Silver
Pennies hides behind a pillar and I accidentally grabbed this one time.
Grrrrrr.
Weave your way right, around a couple pillars (watch out for thos Silver
Pennies!) and left around another pillar to avoid everything, drop down into
the hole and save!
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CheckPoint! 171 Courage Points
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Close enough for jazz! Now out of these nasty caves.
Along the edge you'll have to pick up two Courage Points, then I did a pole
jump way out there to the green vine, I only got one Courage Point this way, I
always got two if I tried going onto the other ropes before I went to the green
one.
All right! We're on top! There's Gandalf! And the dwarves! Keep going along the
edge to the save station and save, most likely you'll be using this a lot!
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CheckPoint! 174 Courage Points
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Now you can hug the right hand cliff and circle easily around those three
Courage Points before the mine-cart area but once inside......Hoooooboy.
Gandalf starts talking to you and when he's done (or you end the cutscene) a
big fighting scene will ensue, Just let Gandalf do all the fighting while you
run around and avoid. As soon as I have control of Bilbo, I jump behind me and
to the right (by the door I came in) and then jump my way clockwise around the
room as I need to, there are mushrooms behind a wooden cart-stopper thingy.
However, after Gandalf finishes with all of them, Bilbo is warped to a certain
spot (you'll get used to where that spot is after a while) and whatever Courage
Points happen to be lying there you will pick up. It's totally random how many
are there. A Couple of times I got only 2 or 3 red ones (10 or 15) and twice I
only got 1 (five) bringing my total up to 179 Courage Points, but once and only
once I got none! However I had muffed it by picking up a Courage Point on the
way into this place (I was trying over and over and over to get none and
finally I get that one time in a thousand and I happened to have picked up a
Courage Point which 90% of the time I don't get. *sigh* Such is life).
So I know it's possible to get at least one Courage Point lower than my score
but I'm through with this level for a while! I tried this one part for over an
hour!
If you do happen to get a good run and pick up either 1 or 2 of those red ones
(or better yet none) then don't muff it by trying to work your way out of here,
stand still for about a minute and the Courage Points will begin to vanish and
you can saunter out as nice as you please! You'll have to get those two large
Pink Courage Points though......
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CheckPoint! 174 Courage Points
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Huh, I wish! I only have 175. Bummer.
So just hurry up and run into the last tunnel without talking to anyone. That
was rather an annoying level to figure out for the first time. It's so long! Oh
well, we're well on our way now!
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3e. Chapter 5: Riddles in the Dark (CHPTR5)
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This level starts out very dark, the first part may take many more than just
one try so, er, unless you want to be constantly annoyed by "Thank the Elves
for this Glowing Blade" I suggest you save AFTER Bilbo says that ;)
Okay, equip Sting and find your way to the area where a little light comes,
there are two fire-breathing bats *gasp* facing you, as the first one spits
flame just jump and hopefully you won't get hit, the second one almost always
misses me so I don't worry about that. Jump onto the first platform, collecting
a Courage Point, then to the second for another, then the third for another
Courage Point.
As you jump to the highest point, hop to the right to avoid the fourth Courage
Point, go around and then jump down the other side to a pillar. From here,
equip your Stick and do a Pole-jump way over to the left side of the row of
Courage Points way down there. It is possible to skip all three of them.
Now go over to the right side and just stick to the right wall and jump your
way through, there's lots of those wormy-snakey things but you can get through
pretty easily if you go fast. Save. Phew!
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CheckPoint! 3 Courage Points
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Now jump down into the hole (don't go on that strand of web hanging down) and
drop all the way down, you'll eventually be on the bottom floor of a large
cavern filled with webs blocking everything, hurry and to the left of that huge
column in front of you, we want to get to the other side and climb up a web
hanging down there. You'll have to cut through two large webs with Sting.
Get on the "rope" quickly! The spiders can't reach your from here!
Now, climb up the rope a way and make a jump for the left side (the entrance
here is blocked by a web) and you should be able to skip that Courage Point in
front of this web. Cut through and up and off to your left should be a little
pathway, grab ahold of the left side, wiggle your way all the way left and then
climb up, jump forward from there so you don't get that Courage Point right in
the middle.
Now stick to the left side of this tunnel and get on top of a rock. In front of
you you'll see an Antidote potion, a Courage Point, and beyond that, a rope
hanging down, do a pole jump to the right side of this tunnel (from the rock on
which you are standing) and you should have skipped that Courage Point in the
center of the tunnel. I'd suggest going over and grabbing the Antidote potion
though.
Now run forward toward the rope and drop off the edge running, you should grab
the bottom of the rope (this is so you don't get that Courage Point hanging on
the rope). Jump to the next rope and from there just to the high spot with a
web hanging over the opening. I don't think it's possible to skip this Courage
Point. Cut the web and go through the tunnel, sticking to the left side.
I was able to stick to the left and missed the first Courage Point but the next
two I'd always catch, so I tried a few times to jump over them along the left
wall but the best I could manage was to only get one from the three there.
Jump for the rope and drop down to the floor, we're on the other side of the
large gate so we're finally safe from those spiders!
Follow the tunnel along avoiding the Courage Points until you get to the
cutscene where the Dwarf is held captive. Save here.
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CheckPoint! 8 Courage Points
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Now you COULD go aroung counter-clockwise on those wooden platforms to get to
the bottom but what I did was jump from the top for the left wall, pressed the
attack button to do a jump attack (since you're in mid-air) into the wall about
midway, which halted my descent briefly, and then landed on one of the higher
wooden platforms with half a health bubble left :) But hey! It's better than
getting all those Courage Points!
Then you drop down against the wall, which is slanted so you won't hurt
yourself, avoid the goblins and especially those snake holes on the way out,
around the left corner and save without getting a single Courage Point!
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CheckPoint! 8 Courage Points
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Okay, from the save station, go to the left of that rotating gear thingy that
has the platforms spinning around and drop down on the left side, we're not
even going to go on these platforms but instead drop down to one of the lower
ones way down there. If you rotate the camera up you'll see the platforms
spinning down there. Jump on one as it comes to it's peak and then from there,
ride it down to the floor.
There are three or so Goblins running around, hug the right wall and run past
them and get mushrooms if you need them like I did. Circumvent a rather large
circle and then go over to where the bridge is supposed to extend out if you
activate it. As you're running there, either pole-jump or jump to the wooden
walkway beyond it (leading down to the bridge switch) but skip the two CP on
the left, just get the one that is actually on that walkway.
Jump down to the next level and gather in that Courage Point as well. I don't
think you can skip this one but if you do a good pole-jump then MAYBE you might
be able to. I didn't pick up the scroll either because it was just Expert
Throwing Tactics and I don't see a use for that.
Okay, here's a neat little shortcut, instead of activating the bridge and going
all the way around the hard way (and possibly picking up some Courage Points)
It's totally possible to do a Pole-Jump from this platform that has the switch,
over to where the Wart-lift panel is. Do so, it's actually not that hard.
That seemed to cut off a lot didn't it? Climb up the ladder, get onto the
rotating lift and ride it around until you can get onto that upper wooden
walkway leading to the left. Hop down to the next one and then you'll see the
gate, a couple of large goblins, possibly some small ones, and beyond them is a
Save station! I jumped down and ran over there and saved as fast as I could,
the goblins following me. As always, I suggest using as many of the Save Files
as you have available to you, so that if you make a mistake you can back up to
a previous save point.
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CheckPoint! 10 Courage Points
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If you're low on health and the goblins are too close, it might not be wise to
save there though, because then every time you reappear they might kill you.
Once saved, drop off quickly to the left (near the ladder) without picking up
the Courage Points near it. Fill up on the mushrooms if you need to and then go
on the left side of that large jagged rock near the edge (opposite the gate).
If you work on jumping a little you can get to where you up between the rock
and the wall, if you jump back and position yourself, then you'll be standing
on the very peak of the rock, actually you'll be standing above it and looking
rather silly ;)
This is probably the best glitch I've come across yet!
Turn towards the wall and make a jump straight into it, there is a "soft" spot
on this wall that we can jump through and if you're lucky, you'll catch your
fingers on the wooden beam that is sticking into the wall from the other side.
Sometimes you fall right through to your unseen death (the camera won't go past
the wall) and if so, you'll just have to try again.
Bear with me here. If you edge on the control stick forward a little, you'll
hear Bilbo wiggling along the beam, whatever you do, don't get on top of the
beam or you'll be stuck in the wall. After wiggling a ways you'll be able to
rotate the camera around so you can actually see what you are doing, you should
see Bilbo kind of wiggling along coming out of the wall. There is a platform
above his head so wiggle to the point where you can jump up and get to that
little platform but be careful not to get the Pink Courage Point right on this
beam you're wiggling on!
Get up, run past the goblin and jump onto one of the rotating platforms. Wasn't
that great! We just skipped finding all of the levers and keys and riding on
all the lifts and everything! WOW!
Work your way up these rotating lifts like normal, just being careful not to
get the Green Courage Points that are in the center of each.
Save at the station up here.
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CheckPoint! 10 Courage Points
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You're on your way to becoming an expert Minimum Hunter!
Now go up the ladder and just run past the guy up there and work on the chest,
when I did it, he didn't even notice me but it shouldn't matter much even if he
does.
You got the Wart Stone! So go back down to the save station.
Right here I just walked slowly off the edge and then pressed against the wall
to get back down to where I first jumped onto the rotating lifts, but if you
want to, you can ride down the lifts too I suppose.
Run past the goblin and drop down near where that jagged rock was (where we
performed that awesome glitch) and then keep to the left of that line of
Courage Points and talk to the Gatekeeper. Bilbo says something like "Here's
that Wart Stone you wanted" which is rather odd, because how did Bilbo know
that he wanted the Wart Stone if he didn't talk to him earlier? Hmmmmm ;)
Don't bother with the Goblin, just keep away from him and continue down the
tunnel behind him, I went to the left of the row of Courage Points in order to
avoid them all, if I went to the right I always picked up one.
Now at this next part you'll see some boxes with Courage Points on them,
leading to the wooden platforms that we use to climb up to the top of this
place. However, don't use the boxes, go to the left of them and jump up to the
lowest wooden platform, that way we skip the first two Courage Points, I then
climbed up but had to get Seven Courage Points in the process (just about had a
heart attack each time one of them jumped at me too!).
When you get to the top of the chain, jump off of it to the left of the row of
Courage Points leading to the Save Station (you can skip them all) and then
save.
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CheckPoint! 17 Courage Points
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Now here's where we have to save Balfor.
When the Goblin starts walking from the right to the left, run over to the
right of the box straight in your path, but then go right up to the center
pillar and hide behind the boxes there, there is another goblin that parades
kind of in front of Balfor's cell, when he goes basically to the left, run past
him and talk to Balfor, you shouldn't have gone behind any boxes with Courage
Points, you should have stayed more in the middle of the room.
Balfor can't believe his eyes! "Baggins!"
Now after the cutscene (or you skip it) stay in the position you are but whirl
around to face away from Balfor. When you get a certain distance away from
Balfor it triggers him to insult the Goblin and we don't want that to happen
just yet.
Wait until that goblin parading in front of you passes to your left (if you're
facing away from Balfor) and then run forward, Balfor should shout an insult
but by the time he's done, you should be behind the boxes in the center of the
room (I hide to the right of the small one but behind the large one). Sometimes
the goblin in front of the switch will go to the left, which is best, but
sometimes he comes straight at you. If this happens, jump over the boxes (to
the left) and then just run up to the switch and press B on it. If the goblin
walks over to the left, just run up and hit the switch like "normal."
Balfor saves the day! I have not found a way to skip getting the Courage Points
from the enemies he kills though, I get 75 EVERY time, giving me a total of 92.
Rats.
Okay, I would suggest going and saving at the previous Save station now, before
we go on to the next part. Just don't get any Courage Points!
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CheckPoint! 92 Courage Points
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Now go into the tunnel that we were supposed to exit by. If you stick to the
right you can skip the first two Courage Points, now go across the tunnel to
the left side and if you stick to the left the rest of the way you shouldn't
pick up any more Courage Points.
See the ladder with the three Courage Points leading up the the platform we
need to climb? We don't need to climb it. Just go to the right and jump up and
grab on with your fingers. Start the ascent.
You'll have to pick up the next three Courage Points though :(
You can skip the fourth by walking around to the left of it (hugging the wall).
Now jump up to the little platform to the right, you'll get a Courage Point
from it.
There is another Courage Point on the last platform, but if you jump to the
very right of that platform and grab on with your fingers, then wiggle around
the corner and then hoist yourself up onto the platform it's on, you can skip
it.
Jump to the chain and climb up, I wasn't able to skip any of the Courage Points
on these two chains so there's another six right there that I got.
From the second chain, jump to the right (near the save station) past the
Courage Points, I wouldn't suggest using the save station though because there
are several goblins around that would make short work of you, I would just run
past the save station, around the left of those Courage Points and behind the
Mining Cart. Press B to get in and B again to start it, I always picked up one
Courage Point though (it leapt at me from that group of three) but if you
happend to not get it, great!
Ride the cart through, you shouldn't pick up any Courage Points. Just hit all
of the red signs to get them green and you're out at last!
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CheckPoint! 103 Courage Points
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From here, go into the tunnel (you don't HAVE to save since the next part isn't
hard) and then go down to the lake.
Follow the shorline (you can't get into the water so don't worry about
drowning) and all the way to the wall. You should find a Health Potion.
Then jump up the steps from the backside here (so you don't pick up the Courage
Points) and grab the Ring! This should help our quest a LOT!!!!
Courage Point Listing:
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3 - Beginning before snakes
5 - Spider Sequence
2 - On way from Save Station to Wart Lift box
7 - After the GateKeeper
75 - From Balfor's rampage. Ouch.
11 - Between Prisons and Mine Cart
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3f. Chapter 6: Flies and Spiders (CHPTR6)
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This level is by FAR the worst for getting Minimums! I was on the verge of a
nervous breakdown by the time I was through! This is not going to be a thorough
walkthrough because I absolutely refuse to go through again.
Start out the level by saving. That's a good start. Then jump up onto the vine
and get on top, there are flowers down there that have hmmm, explosive seeds?
Well anyway, put on your ring and go to the right side of the root leading on
top of that log. You don't want to pick up those three CP on the root do you?
If you do a jump attack at the side of the log, you should be able to sort of
spurt out over top of it, kind of glitchy yes, but it works. It may take a few
tries, just keep on doing a jump attack on the side of the log, wait until your
meter fills back up and then try again, eventually you should be able to make
it over the log, now continue on all the way down to that poisonous swamp,
avoiding all the little spiders.
Jump over the vines and save.
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CheckPoint! 0 Courage Points
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Go down to the river, a minion of the Necromancer should appear, just run away
from him and hop up on that root over on the left side of the river bank and
throw a rock at that rotten branch above the water, it drops down so you can
get across the river, it's not hard to avoid that minion.
Now get on the log and jump to the right so you can avoid those Courage Points
right up on the edge, get up and over to where all those flowers are.
If you jump up on that root off to the left, you can pole jump from there to
that log/wall so that you don't have to climb the rope to get into the camp, so
do so and then save at the station.
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CheckPoint! 0 Courage Points
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Doesn't get much better than that! If only it would stay this way......
Talk to Corwin and then be prepared for some tricky stuff, it is totally
possible to not go to the other camp to get the oil to burn that huge web with,
you can go to the right of the web and there is a gap between the wall and the
tree, if you do repeated jump attacks (I did it with the stick) at the wall,
eventually you should shoot up to the top and if you're lucky, over the other
side and behind that little web back there, then all you have to do is hack it
with Sting and you're through!
Most of the time though, I got stuck and had to reload my game.
About this time I was getting some of those Spontaneous CP around here so watch
out for those. You may want to figure out just about when they are coming (time
it) and then be running/jumping around Corwin's Camp when they appear, then
save.
Then go around that tree by the river and climb up the vine, unfortunately I
have not figured out how to get across the river without going through this
roundabout way.
Walk through the logs, avoid the spiders and any Courage Points you can and
save.
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CheckPoint! 8 Courage Points
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At least I think that's how many I had, my memory is a little foggy, it was
over a week ago......
Now about this time I had some more Spontaneous Courage Points coming after me,
perhaps it's the same with you, perhaps not, it will be different for every
player I assume.
I had to follow this branch along to that green vine that drops down, if you do
a pole-jump toward that green vine from a ways back on the log, it's possible
to only get the bottom of the three Courage Points on that log, I think you
pick up four Courage Points from walking along the log to the vine.
Jump to the vine, picking up a fifth Courage Point.
The vine starts to drop, jump to that little straight edge on the left side of
that rock straight in front of you, then wiggle as far to the left as you can.
There are two Green and one Red Courage Point on this rock I believe.
Now climb up and carefully hug the edge of this rock until you can drop down
and wiggle around, you'll pick up that far Green Courage Point, get up and jump
over that web strung in bewteen the two rocks to get to the far platform, it
has a three Blue Courage Points on it.
I was unable to skip the Red Courage Point on the vine, so get it and then
save.
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CheckPoint! 31 Courage Points
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That is if I'm counting correctly :(
I also was unable to figure out how to get around those three Courage Points in
the log, or that stack of Silver Pennies. My first Silver Pennies in this game!
ACK!
Run out of the log, we're on the other side of the river now. For some reason
(maybe because I didn't burn the web) I did not have any of the Necromancer's
Minion's attacking me on this side of the log....
Jump up on the log and from the highest point on the right, quickly jump out
toward that vine (you're facing that swirling pool of water with the raft
floating on it).
You should be able to grab onto the very end of that hanging rope, quickly
climb up (you'll have lots of things flying all around you soon) and grab the
two Red Courage Points on the rope as you climb up, jump onto the limb and then
Pole-jump over to the Red Urn, skipping those Courage Points on the limb it's
on. Then jump back skipping the same Courage Points of course.
Now from this first limb, you'll jump toward the rope that is really close to
the tree trunk, it is in front of the Blue Urn so you'll grab that.
Unfortunately, while pole-jumping over to this rope in front of the Blue jar, I
had to pick up a Green and Red Courage Point. Grab the Blue Urn. You should
have 59 Courage Points.
Now jump down on that side of the log that the swirling pool is on, you'll have
to dodge those minions running around and find some way to get onto that raft
without getting any Silver Pennies. Easy enough.
Now watch out for that projectile firing maniac over back on the shore, he'll
take you out really quick with your three health bubbles you have right now.
Jump to the first of the two ropes hanging and from there, jump across to where
the Yellow Urn is, you'll have picked up three more Courage Points.
Now I would really suggest going back and saving before the Wight Lord, you may
have to fight him multiple times, just watch out for those monkeys on shore.
Anyhow, when placing the Urns, you only have to get two out of the three
Courage Points there, so when you enter the Wight Lord's battle area you should
have:
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CheckPoint! 63 Courage Points
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Hmm, my numbers aren't quite right, I know for certain that I had 63 Courage
Points here, yet adding up the previous ones I listed I came up with 64. No
matter.
Wight Lord is probably going to be hard to beat, the best thing to do is keep
running around, I would take out maybe two of the minions if you can but it
really doesn't matter, what you're going to be doing is running around avoiding
the projectiles and when your jump attack meter is full, doing a jump attack on
him with Sting. It will take a while.
When I did it, I placed all of the Urns in order, opened the gate and then went
back and saved. From there I timed it so I could get the Explosive Rocks and
jump on the floating raft and get back as fast as possible, then skipped the
cutscene and was able to fire two rocks at the Wight Lord before he could shoot
me with his projectile. I don't think the Exploding Rocks really help much but
you can try it if you like.
So just jump attack and run. Run in there, jump attack him and jump back out to
avoid his swings (he's pretty slow but a lucky shot could end your life really
fast!).
Soon he'll be dead and he leaves you.....a HUNDRED COURAGE POINTS! COME
ON!!!!!! Oh well.
Now run out of there so his minions don't kill you and save.
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CheckPoint! 163 Courage Points
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Now run out of here, go on the left side of the Courage Points to avoid them in
that narrow pass, then run away from all those spiders and get to the next save
station, I suggest jumping on top of it and saving. Then jump to the rope.
Work your way up, you should pick up seven Courage Points from the last save
station to the tunnel in the tree. You only have to get one of that last group
of three, by pole-jumping to the left of them.
It is possible to get inside this tunnel and only get one of the three sitting
in the mouth of it, anyway, work your way to the treetops and save.
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CheckPoint! 171 Courage Points
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Now you'll have to experiment, I got lucky one time and by starting my descent
down that log by jumping to one side or another, I finally succeeded in getting
to the bottom and skipping three of the Green Courage Points, that's thirty! So
at the bottom, save.
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CheckPoint! 299 Courage Points
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That hurt, but we're on our way now!
Run through this area, slashing webs left and right and jumping around like a
madman to avoid the spiders, up ahead is the log that leads to the Queen
Spider's lair! Walk to the left of the log. There is a hidden pathway on the
left that leads up to the tunnel, circumventing those three Courage Points on
the log leading up.
This next part is a nightmare, I went around and freed all the dwarves fine but
after that?! *shivers*
There were Spontaneous Courage Points Popping out everywhere and each of the
Queen Spiders gives you at least a hundred Courage Points each, I think it's
actually 125 each.
It's not hard to avoid regular Courage Points in here, but avoiding killing all
these little spiders is a nightmare!
I would run around the room, hopping to avoid any Spontaneous CP and then rush
in and do a jump attack at the Queen, run around, maybe do a second one, and
then save at one of the save stations, usually the one up the vine that is to
the right of the exit.
Then I'd whack it a couple more times and then save etc. until the next queen.
That one was easy, all you had to do was get Fire Rocks, jump up on a low ledge
and throw them at her. The third was not so easy. The best thing to do is grab
a freezing rock, run around and then hop on a ledge, throw it at the queen and
keep throwing them to knock her away from the rest of the crowd (there is a
HUGE crowd of spiders by now) and then run over there and jump attack her.
This is especially important on the final whack, because once she is dead, ALL
of the spiders transform into Courage Points, so you want her as far away from
the others when you kill her so you only pick up her Courage Points.
I had 685 Courage Points but I know that it could be better, I simply refuse to
try any more though >:|
Courage Point Listing:
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8 - In logs after large, burnable web
25 - En route to other side of river
25 - Getting Blue and Red Urns
5 - After riding raft, getting inside Wight Lord's arena
9 - Climbing to the treetops.
128 - Inside slippery log
386 - From Spider Queen Battle area
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3g. Chapter 7: Barrels out of Bond (CHPTR7)
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This level starts out fairly straightforward, you need to get across the river!
It seems like this level should be fairy chock full of shortcuts that I should
have been able to find but for the most part, it was just a Courage Point here
and there that I was able to skip, I picked up quite a few just from finishing
quests and helping the dwarves escape.
My first idea was to get across the river not using the vine, and thereby skip
three of the Courage Points, but even though I tried walking along the outside
of the bridge (on the right side) I couldn't get over the fence. And I tried
jumping it by the waterfall as well but no luck, there is an invisible wall
over the fence that I can't through or over. It is possible to get over it by
standing on the other side of the fence and then standing on a fencepost and
that gives you that added height to jump over the invisible wall. Anyhow.....
(is this dry enough yet?).
Jump on the vine and scramble over, while you're in the courtyard you might as
well pick up the Willow-weed thing and Deep Cellar keys number one and three.
One is by the Spider's door (you can't do anything inside the door of course so
don't worry about it) and three is over to the other side of the great gate on
the far end. Well, you should remember it. Just be sure to pick up no more
Courage Points.
I tried and tried to get to that green vine by that tunnel you come out of
later, hoping to skip some more Courage Points, but I could never reach it, the
gate below was most likely locked anyway.
So when you're ready, go inside the main door by pushing B next to the opening
crystal stand. You'll pick up another three Courage Points unless you're better
than I am. :)
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Checkpoint! 6 Courage Points
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Once inside you need the three opening crystals (so you can solve the puzzle
behind the throne to open the way to the cells where the dwarves are kept). I
put on my ring and went straight for the throne, there is one by the feet of
King Thranduil, from there, hang a right and down into the stream just before
the throne. It's not deep enough to harm you. Avoid the Courage Points on the
left and head for the next Elvish crystal on a small pillar. Hmmm, they look
more like cherries than crystals to me......
Then go back towards the throne, eventually you'll want to get back onto the
dry land on the right-hand side of the throne, and jump over the tiny stream
(not into it or you'll slide down!) and up the hill. You'll wind up right where
the grate is that is sealing you off from the room where your friends, the
dwarves, are being kept. You have to solve this block pushing puzzle first.
I'll leave the solving to you while I go fetch some bagels.
Oh wait! Right, first you need another Elvish crystal. Go toward the blocks
keeping to the left hand side to avoid the three CP in front of the blocks,
then pass them and go onto the vines, there are two of them and then there's
the third crystal! Off across two other vines you see ye Moonleafe, get ye
moonleafe! You'll need it later and might as well save time here ;).
No matter how hard I tried though, I couldn't get back without picking up that
red Courage Point down at the bottom of the vine, so if you get it, don't worry
about it, I did too. Climb back up and solve the puzzle! Then head down toward
the grate you just opened and save.
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Checkpoint! 11 Courage Points
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And there are four more leading into the tunnel, I couldn't skip any of them.
Pass by a small room with some elves talking and then down to the next tunnel.
Three more of the cursed Courage Points await your arrival! You can't skip 'em?
Get 'em!
After a loading scene and a little walking, you arrive in the dungeon *scary
music plays* Ok, not really, but it is a prison. Balin is on the top floor,
more or less right above you and to your right, but the way up is on the far
end, so equip your ring (er....if you got through the last part not using your
ring, my hat's off to you) and run to the other side sticking to the left wall.
There is a hallway leading downwards to your left, pass it and approach the
barrels up ahead, one stacked on top of two. Normally you would go up the
ladder at the far end but that would net us another three CP! Better use this
way.
It took me a little while to figure it out but I can do it every time now so
it's not that hard. Stand on top of the tallest barrel (the one that is stacked
upon the other two). You'll barely be able to to stay up there because of the
slanted wall. You're facing the walll. Jump backwards and then at the peak of
your jump press forward to grab onto the lip. This allows you to jump up there
without getting your head bumped on the slanted wall!
Head over to the left, cut across to the other side at the first "bridge" you
see, and then right...heading to the save station.
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Checkpoint! 18 Courage Points
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And when you talk to Balin (which you must do in order to access the Barrel
Room) he promptly rewards you with 100 Courage Points. Thanks a lot Balin. Drop
off the ledge to the lower level. Watch out for Courage Points!
There are three unavoidable CP going down into the barrel room, at least I
think they are unavoidable.....
You'll wind up in a room with a save station, a grate at the far end (leading
upward, back to the courtyard) and a ornate hallway leading to hte left, to the
barrel room, you have to pick up the last Courage Point leading down to that
room. It's easiest for me to go to the right of that line of three and then go
down the tunnel. You'll pick up the last Courage Point in the line. Trigger the
cutscene and then head back up, skipping those two CP again.
Three more have appeared! Gadzooks! I stood on the save station and did a pole
jump to the left of them but still picked up two.
Go back to the prison room and get up using the stack of barrels once again,
that ladder is just too loaded down with Courage Points and might break under
your added weight!
There are three CP sitting in front of Balin, no chance of getting away from
those! After the cutscene, Lianna will give you the task of gathering the herbs
(of which you very diligently aquired 2 of already) and gives you 125 CP to
start you off! Thanks a bunch. No. Really. I mean that Lianna. pppptthhhhh.
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Checkpoint! 252 Courage Points
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Head on up the tunnel grabbing three CP, go past a loading scene and back up to
the surface. There's that vine I was trying so hard to reach! Alas. Hop on it
to drop it down and then jump to high ground. Go over to the vines hanging off
of the huge tree and climb around so you can reach that small door that the
spider's lair is behind *scary music* It might be a good idea to save before
you go in (other side of river or other side of courtyard).
This is how I did it: I equipped my sword and then my ring, ran like a madman
past all the green spiders, unequipped the ring and stayed to the right,
picking up a green and the large pink Courage Point as I slashed through the
webs (but I did leave on green one!) then equipped my ring while being swarmed
by spiders. I couldn't stand the disgusting things underfoot and so I jumped
out of there. Just be careful not to get that other Green CP. You still get 45
CP though, which isn't very enCOURAGing *dies laughing*
Make sure that you pick up the fourth Deep Cellar key while in here!
Now head all the way back into the tunnels (via the vine you dropped earlier by
the tunnels mouth) and back to Galion in the Barrel room. You may want to save
before you go down there. I didn't and was in too much of a hurry and picked up
one of the CP on the way down and had to restart from way back before the
spiders!
Place the herbs in Galion's mug on the sly and then wait. Hmm! That was quick!
And..... 150 Courage Points is your reward. I wish I could have figured out how
to skip all these horrible rewards!
Now head back up and save.
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Checkpoint! 440 Courage Points
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That's criminal, how many CP they give you in this game. And then that leads on
to ask why they didn't do it BEFORE Flies and Spiders, when you actually NEEDED
them!
Some new Courage Points have appeared but use the ol' "stand on the save
station" ploy to get past them, I only picked up on from that batch.
Lianna takes you to the entrance to the Deep Cellar. Thankfully she seems to
have run dry of Courage Points! Drop down and save. This is not going to be
fun.
I tried and tried to skip that room with the million little "bouncy guys" and
the one frog baddie but couldn't get up to the next level without it. Soo......
I went over to the vine wall (off to the right of where you dropped in) and
climbed up for three Courage Points. Do a pole-jump off the left side of hte
pillar to grab onto the edge of where a group of three CP are. This way you get
one CP, then clamber up onto the edge, turn slightly to your right and jump up
and grab the ledge above you, wiggle to the RIGHT and climb up on that ledge,
then walk over to the left on top of the one you were just hanging on (to avoid
the other two CP), and be sure to hug the wall so you don't fall! The other way
from the vine pillar (going to the right and grabbing onto the vine) can be
done also, but the least CP you can get that way is two, this way is one.
Here you face three Courage Points going in and *gasp* a whole squadron of the
little hoppers and one big hopper!
All of these need to be killed before you continue. Hmmm, but do YOU need to
kill them? There is a battle going on here, between the little ones and the big
ones. It's kind of uneven. The little ones hit the big one many times and stop
his attacks for the most part, but they do minimal damage. The big one takes
out the little ones much quicker but will lose if unaided. So it's kind of a
quandary and a delicate balance. I went in first and took a swipe at lots of
the little guys, you want to be careful that you don't hit any of them twice or
they will disappear and you'll get the Courage Points! This takes down there
health so it doesn't take the big guy as long to kill them.
Then you have to watch the big guys health and try to gauge it so that if you
need to, you can rush in and take a few whacks at him with your stick (sword
too powerful) and take down his health to the bit that the little guys can
manage.
Each of the little guys drop three CP, the big one drops 25, so ideally you
would like to see all the little guys killed by the big on except one, and the
last one kills the big guy, but this would be nearly impossible to do without
trying over and over and hopefully getting lucky. I went out of there with 21,
which isn't good at all, I may try again for better. Ideally you should only
come out with three (from the last little guy who survived). Avoid the CP that
are dropped and they'll disappear after a while.
After they are gone, a vine drops and you can climb up and grab three more
Courage Points and a scroll for Expert Sword attacks or something. Jump down
and save.
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Checkpoint! 451 Courage Points (ideally, not likely)
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I had 476 at that point.
After the save station, jump back up onto the ledge and do a pole-jump to the
right of the line of CP and drop to the lower level, you should be able to
avoid all three. I tried so hard to get to this ledge without going through all
the former stuff! It would have SO simplified things! Jump on the green vine to
get it to lower and then up to the bridge area above the archway. You can skip
all three Courage Points up here by pole-jumping to a distant pillar. From
there you jump on a vine (getting three Courage Points) and climb up a ways.
There is another vine with three CP on it, jump onto that one but above the CP,
slide down so you can jump down without hurting yourself too bad but don't go
down to the Courage Points sitting on this vine! We want to skip these! Once
you are about as close to the top one as you dare, jump down to the right of a
line of CP on a ledge down there. You'll take some damage but we'll have
skipped the Courage Points! If you had gone around to the left you would have
had to pick up a couple, by going down here and taking some damage, we can skip
that 1 or 2 Courage Points.
Well, you'll come out of the small tunnel and see a gap in the ground and three
Courage Points ahead. If you jump to the furthest left extremity of these three
and instead of landing on the ledge, grab onto the ledge you should be able to
skip them all. Wiggle around and then climb up. Then wiggle across the finger-
hold ledge with your finger tips and you'll pick up three more. Walk and jump
forward to a vine and climb up all the way to the top. If you jump from here
towards the last Deep Cellar key, you'll only get two instead of all three.
You're on your way to Thorin! Save up here.
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Checkpoint! 462 Courage Points (Ideally, not likely)
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I had 484 CP.
Now the Barrel room. Just when I thought I was going to get under 500 Courage
Points, wouldn't you know? You get 175 CP for saving the dwarves! ARRRRGGGGGH!!
Well, trigger the release on the top of the bridge and you're on your way.
Before you do that though, you may want to check out the dwarves comments while
they are captive in the barrels. It's pretty funny!
I had 672 my first time. 659 my second. Ideally I should have had 637.
Courage Point Listing:
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3 on vine going across river
3 by opening crystal for main door
5 by getting moonleaf
4 going down tunner
3 more in tunnel
100 from Balin
3 on way to Barrel room
1 going into Barrel room
2 going back up
3 in front of Balin
100 from Lianna
3 going up tunnel
45 in Spider's lair
150 from Galion's mug (can't STAND that mug!)
1 going up to Dwarves
3 on vine wall in Deep Cellar
1 jumping from vine wall pillar
3 going into cave of horrors.
3 (minimum) from creatures in cave
3 going out of cave
3 on vine
3 after wiggler edge
2 up vine to 2nd Deep Celler key
175 for rescuing Dwarves.
*phew!*
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3h. Chapter 8: A Warm Welcome (CHPTR8)
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I was a little disappointed in parts of this level too. Every single objective
is a necessity it seems, and you get rewarded with a huge amount of Courage
Points for every one! Ack!
I started out and avoided the scroll. After all, this is minimums so I go for
minimum in everything, not just Courage Points.
Your first objective is to see the Master of Laketown and thank him for his
hospitality, I would head out to the center square and go counter-clockwise.
There are two Red CP near the Master and it's easier to avoid the right hand
one (his left). So go counter-clockwise. Do a pole-jump across the gap in the
walkway where it bends around and land by the save station. Most of the time I
land on the post next to the save station.
Talk to the Master, when you are through you will get all three of the Courage
Points in front of him anyway, so don't bother trying to skip them. He also
rewards your exhuberance with 25 Silver Pennies. Up to this point in the game I
had only collected 5 Silver Pennies. This was a disappointment, but wait. It
gets worse.
Do the same skip over to the walkway past the save station. You'll probably
want to save there beforehand because sometimes you'll either pick up the Red
CP or fall and then you'd have to start from the beginning again! I like to
stand on top of the save station and do a pole-jump from it.
So you're walking clockwise around town center now, it's shorter to go straight
to your destination of the wine house if you go all the way around and follow
the Courage Points but we don't want that. So go the long way, down toward the
warehouse first, then walk along the waterfront all the way until you see the
wine house. A short cutscene takes place and plants some CP to show you the
way. Now I come up toward it from the lower walkway, stand against the wall and
get on that little baseboard lip, then carefully jump up onto the stairway and
hop over away from the Courage Points, if you do it carefully enough, you'll
miss the one Courage Point on the stairs. It's not much of a victory but it is
still one nevertheless!
The other two blue ones and one red one are unavoidable to my knowledge, so
you'll have to grab them and get into your hiding spot. The theif comes out and
you're out to catch him! Tip-toe invisible along the water side of this walkway
you're on to still avoid that one Courage Point on the stairs and follow the
theif along the wharf.
Pretty soon you'll come to the warehouse and the bridge drops (funny, it was
down before, yet someone musth have raised it!) and you follow. He's gone!
You'd better tell Bard....and....175 Courage Points pop out to reward your
vigilance. That'll teach you! Thankfully Bard's only gift is a health potion. I
always liked miserly men!
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Checkpoint! 185 Courage Points, 25 SP
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Bard tells you to check out the warehouse. So back you go again, utilzing the
same "jump over the gap in the walkway from the top of the save station ploy."
Head out the same way, clockwise and the first exit toward the warehouse. There
are three Courage Points leading into the entrance though! So we'll use the
secret way. When you first see the warehouse from where you are coming, jump
down onto the platform resting in the water on your right, then up to then next
one, then the next highest and then to a rope, from here you can jump over to
the warehouse (of course you won't want to pick up that Pink CP). Hop up the
boxes and jump over the fence and you're by the door! Save if you wish, then go
inside.
You don't want to break any of the crates in here for fear of Silver Pennies
now, so be careful for goodness sake! Before you go out onto that little
platform, equip your ring. Trust me. Once you step onto that platform or even
in the vicinity, a cutscene takes place in which you fall to the ground below
and alas! There is a mob of goblins there! Hmmm, that could catch on....a "Gob
Mob." Hmmm, should copyright it........
Anyway, if you have your ring on they won't be attacking you as furiously, if
you don't....as I did many times before my sister suggested using the ring
(oh.....yeah....) you'll get sliced to shreds. Go quickly over the the right
side of the room (your right as you came in) and hop up on the boxes, then onto
the walkway, then lastly to a little platform on the center of the wall. It is
quite possible to do a pole-jump from here to the next platform which has a
small blue switch and some crates on it.
Or if it is too hard for you, you can alternatively open the door on the bottom
floor and climb up on the crates and do a pole-jump from there to a platform
that has another blue switch that will cause a rope to drop so you can get to
the former one easier. But I prefer the direct method, and if you've got this
far in Minimums, you're probably more than skilled enough so just skip this
paragraph :)
Anyway, once you're on the high platform and have activated the switch, go
around and jump onto the swinging rope on the left side of the room (as you
were coming in). Careful not to pick up those Silver Pennies on top of the
crate!
It's good to have your ring equipped here. Usually if you've had it on this
long, you can give it a rest while you swing on the rope, then equip it and run
past the goblin on the upper walkway, towards a stack of boxes, you need your
ring equipped here though, because if the goblins hurl and exsplosive up there,
the crates can bust and YOU my friend, get to pick up the SP that pops out!
Regardless of how close you were. So jump onto the next swinging rope (be
careful, I had a hard time with this one and fell several times) and jump into
the opening and out the door. Bard appears there and you talk to him.
Unfortunately your talk is too close to the group of three Courage Points that
we skipped getting into the warehouse earlier, but we still skipped two and
that's a victory nonetheless! Bard meets you by the Cider House and rewards you
with another 175 Courage Points. Sacrebleu!!!!!!!!!!
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Checkpoint! 361 Courage Points, 25 SP
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Go inside the Cider House and upstairs is a man who will tell all once he finds
out that goblins are involved, he tells you to meet Rennar, so hightail it down
to the Wharf and talk to him. The three CP in front of him are unavoidable as
well, even if you manage to talk to him from the side (by jumping on the boats)
you still warp to standing in front of him and end up picking up the Courage
Points anyway. He gives you the key to his warehouse and you go inside it, it's
not far at all, just up the walkway and to the left.
Likewise, I couldn't skip the three CP leading into the warehouse so I just go
them. Save inside the doorway.
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Checkpoint! 367 Courage Points, 25 SP
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Rennar's warehouse is a menagerie of traps. Either he was scared of really big
mice....or the goblins rigged everything and that is why he was becoming
suspicious. We may never know. Didn't anyone ever tell him that carbon monoxide
is poisonous? *sigh*
Well work your way down to the end of the boxes. Now....normally from here we
would have to go down the other side of the crates and get fumigated by the
gasses and pick up green Courage Points. But not so with your friendly
neighbourhood Hobbit guide to help! There is a small lip on the end of the
boxes that you can easily jump up on to and from there get to the top of the
stack. Then walk along it and over to the blue switch and voila! Turn of the
gas! Not that we need it off anymore though.....
Jump up and save. You shouldn't have picked up any Courage Points or Silver
Pennies since the last Checkpoint.
Okay, here's where we get really tricksy! Jump up onto the save station, then
jump onto that lip on the wall. Cool! We can run on this! But we run into a
vertical beam! Easy to circumnavigate. Jump away from wall around the beam and
back to the wall on the other side. Simple!
Now jump up onto that large board sticking out from the wall, like a real board
though, it fall when supported so minimally so you'll have to quickly make the
jump to the rope. If you do the jump from close to the wall though, you'll have
most of your body on the other side of the rope than that lone Courage Point on
the end of the next board. If you jump too straight on to the rope, you'll pick
up that Courage Point, you shouldn't have to get it though, I skipped it many
times.
Now climb up the rope and jump to the next one. From here jump to the opposite
wall (of the lip we walked on earlier) and land on the lip just like the other
one, jump around the vertical beams like before. You'll come to the end of the
wall where it goes around and that may be tricky but not too hard, once you're
around the corner you'll be able to jump to a short but high rope (we're back
above the Crates in the poison room now). It's possible to jump from here into
the far corner above where we first came into the poison room, and grab onto
the edge of that platform with the save station on it and activate that blue
switch in that little cubby. Normally the walkways would appear after the next
scene but at that time there are also several Courage Points leading to this
switch and so we activate it now. It opens the doors below you for your escape.
Drop down onto the stack of crates again, then over to the save station and
then go back to the first rope (avoiding that Courage Point on the end of the
board yet again). Then jump back to the wall and hop along that lip (but one
level above where you first did it) and go over to the save station above the
other last save station and open the door using the blue switch next to the
door. You pick up these Courage Points anyway so don't worry about them.
Inside is a goblin! And he has the Black Arrow! He takes flight and leaves two
Courage Points behind him. Dirty skunk. Filthy goblin!
I usuall go to the edge of this platform and pole-jump down to the Crates (for
the last time, I promise) and out the open door which we conveniently opened
earlier. Then outside into the fresh air again!
You meet Bard, he asks you to go to the Cider House and he gives you another
175 Courage Points. Is there no end?!!!!
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Checkpoint! 547 Courage Points, 25 SP
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There are three leading into the Cider house, it's easy enough to skip one of
them but you pick it up when you come back outside anyway, so don't bother.
Inside, you meedt Malloc, a nice old man who wants his Gold Dagger back (hmmm,
what for we wonder? Revenge? Is this whole heirloom story a blind?) so you step
outside and go clockwise around the town center to get to his door (clearly
marked by three Courage Points. You'll pick them up no matter what you do so
get inside and open the chest. 50 Silver Pennies along with the dagger?! Are
these theives crazy?! That's more money than I've seen on my entire journey!
Three more Courage Points show the way to the Cider House again (this is
getting ridiculous, as if I didn't know where it was. I think they are
purposely trying to load me down with Courage Points). As if that wasn't bad
enough, Malloc rewards you for finding his dagger with 175 Courage Points. THAT
HURTS!!!!!!!!!!!
Then you have to find the bottles in the three thieves houses, I won't say much
on that because you should be able to find them. Two are in the Town Center and
one is right on the way to the warehouse up the stairs just before you see the
warehouse. All three are marked with dragons on the doors, and all three have
Golden Chests in the house, each containing a bottle and a hundred Silver
Pennies. Yeah, you heard me right. That's 300 total. Yeah. Ouch.
Go back to Malloc and he tells you some clues as to the placement of the
bottles. Oh! And one other bottle is in the Cellar and the other is in the
hands of the owner of the Cider House, talk to him to get it.
The clues are as easy for me to follow this time as they were last time. I
didn't even remember the order and yet could easily figure it out from the
clues. It's something like "yellow, blue, red, black, purple" but don't quote
me on that. 25 Courage Points sit in front of the bottles. I couldn't skip it
unfortunately :(
And once you've unlocked the door, you're in the theives lair! Hurry down the
rope and save at the next spot, before the water puzzle.
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Checkpoint! 756 Courage Points, 375 CP
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What do they think we are? Perfect Hunters? Those stats look horrendous!
The Water Puzzle is easy, just connect a pathway from the upper left to the
lower right, trigger the switch at the aforesaid (former) to opportunely
activate a reaction in the previously latter specified quarter. Pretty simple
huh? Once inside the door, trigger the switch and the main door should open. If
it doesn't, then also try making a path from the upper right to the lower left
door and trying the switch in there as well (both may need to be activated, I
don't know). Then make a path straight through!
There will be three unavoidable Courage Points before you get inside this
"barrel room." The puzzle is simple, place the little barrel on the lower
little barrel switch, then the medium barrel on the upper medium barrel switch,
and lastly, the big barrel on the upper (I think) big barrel switch. The right
hand door (as you are coming into this room) should open. Clamber up on the
right side and sneak past to only pick up one of the three CP. Save in this
next room.
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Checkpoint! 760 Courage Points, 375 CP
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After all three cutscenes, you need to retrieve the Black Arrow. That's easy
enough, we'll use our ol' "hobbit fly" trick to get over there. Hug the right
wall and hop around the braces and jump right down and get the arrow. A Courage
Point will appear right after leading up onto the crates in the direction we
came from so don't go there! Instead, continue Counter-Clockwise and hop up on
the crate. From here you should be able to get up onto a rope and from that
rope, be able to get on the highest "little ledge" (for our hobbit fly trick,
or human spider if you prefer) and work your way to that ledge that has the
save station and a red Courage Point. Once you are up there you will trigger
the next cutscene that will open your exit. You'll get the Red CP regardless so
don't worry about it. Just get up to that platform and you'll trigger the
cutscene.
Fight Goblins! Fight! And the ruckus starts. It's easy to hop along the wall (I
love being the hobbit spider) to the exit, three Courage Points lead the way
out. Just get them and then run out and you'll talk to Bard who grants you yet
another 175 Courage Points. Jump for joy.
Then all you have to do to finish the level is talk to Bard again. Don't worry,
he won't give you any more Courage Points ;)
I ended up with
943 Courage Points and 375 Silver Pennies.
Courage Point Listing:
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3 in front of the Master (25 Silver Pennies also)
7 by hiding spot to "catch a thief"
175 for tracking thief
1 after exiting warehouse
175 from Bard
3 in front of Rennar
3 in front of Rennar's warehouse
1 on rope after save inside warehouse (after poison room)
2 before Goblin with Arrow
2 After Goblin with Arrow
175 from Bard :(
3 in front of Cider House
3 in front of Malloc's old house (50 SP inside)
3 in front of Cider House again
175 from Malloc (300 Silver Pennies from theives houses)
25 in front of bottle placement
3 before "barrel room"
1 exiting "barrel room"
5 After "Fight goblins! Fight!" cutscene
3 escaping from building.
175 from Bard. Generousity stinks.
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4. Rankings of Participants (RNKNGS)
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Hopefully having people's names up here will encourage a little friendly
competition!
Usually all a person picks up in a level is Courage Points, for the most part,
Silver Pennies can be easily avoided, for that reason, if you get Silver
Pennies (at least on the first three levels) your ranking does not count. If in
later levels it is impossible to avoid Silver Pennies, I will include them as
the second part (in brackets) next to the person's name.
The first set of brackets is of course the amount of Courage Points acquired by
that person.
Rules: Just go for the lowest possible score of Courage Points! Using Action
Replay, or other game enhancing devices is not allowed. You're on your own here
folks, no turbo controllers (like that would help anyway) no nothing.
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Chapter 1: An Unexpected Party
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1. ShadowN64.........................(84)
2. MirrorFoil........................(85)
3. Cubes.............................(86)
4. Zareba............................(88)
4. Forgivenmuch......................(88)
6. Mythdragonlover...................(96)
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Chapter 2: Roast Mutton
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1. ShadowN64........................(173)
2. Cubes............................(241)
3. Fogivenmuch......................(499)
4. Mythdragonlover..................(569)
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Chapter 3: Troll Holl
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1. ShadowN64........................(108)
2. Cubes............................(112)
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Chapter 4: Overhill and Underhill
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1. ShadowN64........................(225)
2. Cubes............................(244)
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Chapter 5: Riddles in the Dark
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1. ShadowN64........................(103)
2. Cubes............................(255)
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Chapter 6: Flies and Spiders
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1. ShadowN64........................(685)
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Chapter 7: Barrels out of Bond
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1. ShadowN64........................(659)
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Chapter 8: A Warm Welcome
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1. ShadowN64........................(943)
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Chapter 9: Inside Information
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Chapter 10: Gathering of the Clouds
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Chapter 11: The Clouds Burst
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5. Copyright Information (CPYRGHT)
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Author: Logan West- (
[email protected])
This file is Copyright (c)2004 by Logan West. All rights
reserved.
This file may be not be reproduced under any circumstances except for personal,
private use. It may not be placed on any web site or otherwise distributed
publicly without advance written permission, except the following sites:
GameFAQs.com
WOGaming.com
NeoSeeker.com
GameNotOver.com
CheatHappens.com
Use of this guide on any other web site (especially Cheatcc.com) or as a part
of any public display is strictly prohibited and a is violation of copyright.
This guide is under NO circumstances allowed to be at Cheatcc.com (Cheat Code
Central.com), so hands off Dave (for those of you who might be unfamiliar, Dave
has this nasty habit of hosting guides without permission of the authors and
then being very reluctant to take them down, even when pestered for months upon
months).
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Version 0.1
2004-5-01
I've got the walkthroughs for the first three levels up, a tiny bit of part
four up and the basic outline of the guide (all of the legal stuff, sections,
table of contents etc.) so all that remains to be done is finish up the
walkthroughs and credit everybody! I'm publishing this version early so that it
might encourage Forgivenmuch to try some levels over (not to coerce her
though).
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7. Contact Information (CNTCT)
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I'd be happy if you wanted to contact me and let me know how you liked the
layout of the guide, my writing style, wanted to point out corrections, tell me
your scores or strategies etc. etc.
However, I will NOT accept mail that has flames, advertisements, get-rich-quick
offers and the like. If you want to e-mail me, be nice.
Also, this guide was written for players who want to take their gaming to the
next level, it is NOT for players who have just started the game, please don't
e-mail me saying "I don't understand your guide! How come I'm not supposed to
pick up those three Courage Points there!" If you have a question to ask, then
please ask it clearly and concisely, but if you DO have a question, I would
really suggest going to the GameFAQs.com message board for the GameCube version
of The Hobbit, I check the board frequently and either myself or some of the
other people there would be happy to help (and it saves my e-mail address, my
last guide got well over 250 e-mails asking about gameplay related questions
which I probably should not have been asked.....but that's a different story).
Okay then, looking forward to hearing from you!
The Shadow (
[email protected])
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8. Credits (CRDTS)
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Credit goes where credit is due! Many thanks and praise go to:
1. My Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ
2. My parents, for rasing me in a proper manner
3. And who could forget J.R.R. Tolkien! The man who discovered Middle Earth! "I
do not say 'created,' for it was always there. His works will be cherished 'til
the end of the world.
4. For GameFAQs.come and more specifically, for cjayc
5. Me writing the guide I guess :)
6. Vivendi and Sierra and Inevitable for making a great (and very underrated in
my opinion) game.
7. Thanks to the people who took the time to read this guide, especially those
who read the introduction and contact section before contacting me :)
8. Silas Verrinder, for FAQ Writer (which I'm finally using, I like this much
better than v. 1.0 Silas ;))
9. Forgivenmuch for helping to inspire me to write the guide, her kind words,
and helping keep the ol' board alive.
10. Likewise Mythdragonlover, for helping with the board and the willingness to
at least try for minimums (even though Prince of Persia is more inviting!)
11. MirrorFoil for his bettering my score on Unexpected Party and sharing his
little trick! Thanks!
12. Thanks very much to Alexander Davidson for his program: Metapad. I like it!
