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Re: Do you think you'd like Judas if you met him?
By: KerryD Date: November 3, 2025, 6:02 pm
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[quote author=Dave link=topic=84.msg2599#msg2599
date=1762187151]
If all scripture is given by inspiration of God, the (original
Greek) is God breathed. 2 Tim 3-16.
When Paul writes to young Tim there was no new testament as we
know it, so he has to be referencing the old testament, do we
believe the same for the new?[/quote]
So far as I know, only one book in the New Testament claims to
be inspired. Some of them are more historical in nature. When
Luke begins his book, he tells us he's relying on eyewitnesses.
He didn't sit down and receive it from Heaven. He does not say
the Word came to him and he wrote what he heard.
[quote]Kerry in the woman with the issue of blood, Jesus knew
power/virtue had been released, so it was the indwelling Holy
Spirit from within that bowls over the people in the garden,
Peter's silver and gold have I none but such as I have I give,
and we know just the power from his shadow was enough to heal
sick folk.
So why is the 'church' a wet noodle in this day and age, yet the
early 'church' to them it was no small thing.
IF there was a blowing of the wind of the Spirit now, would we
actually believe it?
Helen and I in our walk have seen many 'flakes' but have also
known those who moved in the power of the Holy Spirit.
[/quote]
So if all Scripture is profitable for doctrine, what do we
derive from the account of Peter's shadow? Even if that passage
isn't inspired Scripture but just a historical fact, what does
it mean? Is it only meant to impress us with miracles?
Clearly Paul was referring to the books of the Old Testament;
and many of those are said to be outdated or irrelevant today by
some teachers.
1 Timothy 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy
scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation
through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is
profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for
instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto
all good works.
I understand Peter's shadow in the context of Genesis. The
word for "image" in Genesis should properly be translated as
"shadow" or "outline" if you ask me.
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/h6754/kjv/wlc/0-1/
Man
was made and created in the "shadow" of God. The outline was
empty, more or less, but meant to be filled.
If people wanted to healed by Peter's shadow and were, that
tells me he was full of the Holy Ghost and could "overshadow"
others that way. They also were placing themselves under his
spiritual authority by doing that. The "corrupt and fallen"
image they had had before was fixed; but of course, then they
were meant to choose good over evil so they could be filled too
with the Holy Ghost.
Isn't the Psalm addressing the same issue?
Psalm 36:7 How excellent is thy lovingkindness, O God! therefore
the children of men put their trust under the shadow of thy
wings.
Man without the Holy Spirit is a mere beast of the field. If
the only breath humans have is the kind animals have, he is like
them.
Ecclesiastes 3:18 I said in mine heart concerning the estate of
the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they
might see that they themselves are beasts.
19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts;
even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the
other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no
preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.
20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to
dust again.
21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the
spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?
22 Wherefore I perceive that there is nothing better, than that
a man should rejoice in his own works; for that is his portion:
for who shall bring him to see what shall be after him?
Solomon asks who knows? The passage looks dire and cynical at
first, but we all need to answer the question. Blessed is he
who trusts that men and women can possess a Spirit that goes
upward when the body dies. Those who desire to do good deeds
are behaving in a godly way will be rewarded. We can not earn
our salvation, but as James puts it, Faith without works is
dead.
James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and
not by faith only.
If someone sees a deed would be good to do, I believe God has
revealed that to him. The Christian without a better connection
to the Spirit probably has more revealed to him when it's
possible to do a good deed. James says failing to do good when
we see it can be dangerous.
James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth
it not, to him it is sin.
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Re: Do you think you'd like Judas if you met him?
By: Mike Waters Date: November 4, 2025, 3:50 pm
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For wisdom this sluggard visits Ants.
Ants have a long history, evolving from a lineage of between 140
and 168 million years ago during the Jurassic period.
Doubtless Noah took a couple into his ark to ensure their
survival from the flood.
And, true to form they joined the birds of the air who, apart
from having nests, and the foxes who have holes, have no need of
religious mysticism.
So it is that this sluggard goes:-
"to the ant to consider her ways, and be wise".
Ants have no guide, overseer, or ruler.
"How long will you sleep, you sluggard? When will you arise out
of your sleep?"
Maybe after a good night in bed. ;D
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Re: Do you think you'd like Judas if you met him?
By: KerryD Date: November 4, 2025, 4:09 pm
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[quote author=Mike Waters link=topic=84.msg2601#msg2601
date=1762293053]
For wisdom this sluggard visits Ants.
Ants have a long history, evolving from a lineage of between 140
and 168 million years ago during the Jurassic period.
Doubtless Noah took a couple into his ark to ensure their
survival from the flood.
And, true to form they joined the birds of the air who, apart
from have nest, and the foxes who have holes, wherein to lay
their heads: They have no need of the intelligence of others.
So it is that this sluggard goes:-
"to the ant to consider her ways, and be wise".
Ants no guide, overseer, or ruler.
"How long will you sleep, you sluggard? When will you arise out
of your sleep?"
Maybe after a good night in bed. ;D
[/quote]I am blessed to have various ants in my yard. I am glad
to have them as long as they don't come indoors.
I have plastic strips between the clover lawn and flower beds.
One day I was amazed to see an ant walking on top of a strip. I
did what Solomon advised! I found out what that ant was doing.
I also observed other ants on the plastic strip. Without
knowing it, I had provided a kind of highway for the ants. They
were harvesting white bits of something and taking them back to
their underground home. It must have saved them time since they
didn't have to navigate flower stems in the flower beds.
They often remind me of Solomon as do the lilies of the valley.
Two of my sisters told me it was their favorite flower, so they
remind me of them too.
Song of Solomon 2:1 I am the rose of Sharon, and the lily of the
valleys.
Yes, I also have Rose of Sharon plants.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QS6KMx_0NDQ
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Re: Do you think you'd like Judas if you met him?
By: Helen Date: November 6, 2025, 9:52 am
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Good one Kerry love it! :)
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Re: Do you think you'd like Judas if you met him?
By: Dave Date: November 7, 2025, 1:55 pm
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Well, leaving the Ant world and it's many virtues to the
sluggard.
Kerry, my Sherlock H's deduction is that you have John's letters
or his last book as the only inspired, his "I was in the Spirit
on the Lords day " does that make him a respector of days and
was he not in the Spirit the rest of the week?
My 'umble is that Paul's letters are inspired, first, he is
establishing the Gentile church as the body of Christ, it's
calling and it's gifting's, his impartation needs to be
'anointed'/inspired, so I think he walked and wrote in the
Spirit but there were times he relates that he also writes 'as
a man' Roms 6-19.
We know Paul ironically had his Pentecost in the house of Judas
after his Damascus road encounter with the Lord, he is filled
with the Holy Spirit but no tongues are mentioned here, later he
is the tongues champion. So maybe no individual book is inspired
until the Holy Spirit inspires it or us.
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Re: Do you think you'd like Judas if you met him?
By: KerryD Date: November 7, 2025, 3:35 pm
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[quote author=Dave link=topic=84.msg2610#msg2610
date=1762545316]
Well, leaving the Ant world and it's many virtues to the
sluggard.[/quote]The ant world may apply. I cannot claim to
have been inspired myself while reading Revelation since it took
me so much time. I had read the rest of the Bible with "ease";
but when I reached Revelation, an angel showed up and kept
interrupting me by telling me, "Look that up." I discovered
many things by "searching the Scriptures." And I was chastised
for believing my superficial understanding had been sufficient.
I also saw how the men of God tend to use the same words and
phrases when describing something. It took me well over a month
to read Revelation; but I also learned much about what the
authors of other books had meant.
[quote]Kerry, my Sherlock H's deduction is that you have John's
letters or his last book as the only inspired, his "I was in the
Spirit on the Lords day " does that make him a respector of days
and was he not in the Spirit the rest of the week?[/quote]This
is one example of what I learned. We are accustomed to calling
Sunday the "Lord's Day," and I see even one translation into
English uses the word "Sunday." John meant the same thing the
prophets like Joel and Isaiah in the Old Testament. And it's
also used the same way in several places in the New Testament.
It does not mean Sunday. It means the "Day" when Jesus
appears; and we see that happening in Revelation. Jesus came
for John. Another prophetic statement had come true!
John 21:20 Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom
Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at
supper, and said, Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee?
21 Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this
man do?
22 Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come,
what is that to thee? follow thou me.
23 Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that
disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall
not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that
to thee?
24 This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and
wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true.
How more obvious can it get? Paul wrote, somewhat obscurely and
perhaps even a bit inaccurately for all I know, but providing
interesting details:
1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from
heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with
the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up
together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air:
and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
What he's definitely right about are the sound of the trump and
being caught up. John proceeds to mention both. The Day of the
Lord came for John but not for the other disciples. His body may
have remained behind; but his Spirit was "forever with the Lord"
even in the years after receiving Revelation.
There does remain, of course, a further reckoning when man's
time runs out, and Jesus will appear for everyone then, even the
sinners.
[quote]My 'umble is that Paul's letters are inspired, first, he
is establishing the Gentile church as the body of Christ, it's
calling and it's gifting's, his impartation needs to be
'anointed'/inspired, so I think he walked and wrote in the
Spirit but there were times he relates that he also writes 'as
a man' Roms 6-19.
We know Paul ironically had his Pentecost in the house of Judas
after his Damascus road encounter with the Lord, he is filled
with the Holy Spirit but no tongues are mentioned here, later he
is the tongues champion. So maybe no individual book is inspired
until the Holy Spirit inspires it or us.
[/quote]I can believe he was inspired to minister to Gentiles;
but that doesn't mean he's repeating words he heard from Heaven.
He admits seeing through a glass darkly. His epistles and
those of the others do not claim to be words received from
Heaven. That phrase is a direct claim about the words being
inspired heavenly. Jeremiah uses it a lot.
https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?qs_version=KJV&quicksearch=word+lord+…
It is also how the "Word of the LORD" gets revealed. God lets
the prophet hear His words, and then the prophet often speaks
them too as well as having them written down. It is how God's
Will is done on earth. God is not a dictator. Dominion over
the earth is man's; and when the prophet or anyone else speaks
"the Word" of the prophecy aloud, he is exercising lawful and
godly dominion over the earth.
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