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#Post#: 663419--------------------------------------------------
Poyraz Karayel 23.B�l�m Fragman?
By: Gina Date: June 8, 2015, 10:14 am
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Poyraz� is not a lier at all ,he did not lie to anybody he just
did not tell the truth. What did he lie about? Sinan understand
him better/ It is their game then he tells him he alway lies! He
loves Ag - it is true, He loves Bahry it is true. Even he says
Bhry knwe about his Cema plan/ Even Mumtas� says Poyras is a
decent man.
#Post#: 663434--------------------------------------------------
Poyraz Karayel 23.B�l�m Fragman?
By: Angel/Poyraz Date: June 8, 2015, 10:59 am
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[quote author=Gina date=1433776490]
oyraz� is not a lier at all
,he did not lie to anybody he just did not tell the truth. What
did he lie about? Sinan understand him better/ It is their game
then he tells him he alway lies! He loves Ag - it is true, He
loves Bahry it is true. Even he says Bhry knwe about his Cema
plan/ Even Mumtas� says Poyras is a decent man.
/quote]
e was
asked many times. He was confronted many times and he always
denied it. He has lied a lot.�
e may have good intentions but a
lie is a lie regardless and should be counted as such. �It
doesn\'t mean he\'s not a good and decent man. �He\'s just a
human being with imperfections.�
believe his first major lie
was when AG asked him for the first time if he knew who her
father was and the last major lie was to Sema. She straight out
confronted him about being the inside man and he denied it. He
lied to baba about the paper Mumtaz gave him and swore he
hadn\'t betrayed him. Just a couple of �examples of the
different lies he has told.�
#Post#: 663458--------------------------------------------------
Poyraz Karayel 23.B�l�m Fragman?
By: Lena Date: June 8, 2015, 11:39 am
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Angelim, I understand but I don\'t blame Poyraz. I feel sorry
for him. You know why he became undercover in the first place?
So, he clears his name and regains his good reputation back and
this will help him tremendously in getting Sinan back. The only
way they were able to take Sinan from him was because of the
bribe issue. He said so himself. He did everything for Sinan.
This isn\'t about him and protecting himself. If that\'s the
case, he would not sacrifice himself constantly for Bahri and
his men. They are a mafia and their end is jail. Let\'s be
realistic here! The only thing that complicated things was his
love for AG and her being Bahri\'s daughter. He did everything
out of love for AG. Why else would he cover for Bahri and say he
was in on the plan he had for Sema to keep her alive? He didn\'t
do this for Bahri or himself. He did this solely for AG. Poyraz
is human. He made mistakes and a lot. But, he always does them
for the sake of his loved ones, which are Sinan and AG. Selfish
and coward, he is definitely NOT!
oyraz is controlled by love.
His head is a bit complicated. He was confused. He did what he
could. I don\'t blame him at all. He\'s a cop after all and
doing his job. Yes, lying is wrong. But, the truth can hurt and
be too much to handle. Had AG not been Bahri\'s daughter, we
wouldn\'t even care if Poyraz worked undercover to nail him or
at least that would have changed the way we saw things a bit.
love Bahri, Sefer, Zulfikar, TK, Sado, and Sema but I love
Poyraz and AG more and I sympathize with them the most in this.
As for AG telling her father that Poyraz is a cop while trying
her best to protect him and try everything in her power to
convince her father not to kill him is very consistent with her
character, because she values honesty and trust. So, I don\'t
blame her either.
hings got complicated and it will be such a
pleasure to see how things will unfold.
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Poyraz Karayel 23.B�l�m Fragman?
By: KatiaDaneel Date: June 8, 2015, 2:58 pm
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And now the moment for truth ...always a very difficult moment
for all... always the liar has to pay the consequences,Of course
he was forced ?? because... things were confused by all sides
,but should dare to tell the truth when AG gave him a chance and
not only once.I think there is a reversal, P was on the side of
good living in the lie and cheats and experienced the bad guys
and learned....\"To be a father. I saw what it means to be a
father. The meaning of honesty. What is courage. I saw that
too.\"
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Poyraz Karayel 23.B�l�m Fragman?
By: vici Date: June 8, 2015, 4:20 pm
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I\'m in love with this conversation.
t brought me closer to the
explanation why I love PK and what I miss in other dizis right
now.
asn\'t able to describe it yet, but it\'s most likely the
people\'s fight/development/conflict with their own perceptions.
The way they knowingly/willingly go against them.
ot the
people\'s fights against external (mostly artificial) factors.
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Poyraz Karayel 23.B�l�m Fragman?
By: Angel/Poyraz Date: June 8, 2015, 4:31 pm
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[quote author=KatiaDaneel date=1433793532]
nd now the moment
for truth ...always a very difficult moment for all... always
the liar has to pay the consequences,Of course he was forced ??
because... things were confused by all sides ,but should dare to
tell the truth when AG gave him a chance and not only once.I
think there is a reversal, P was on the side of good living in
the lie and cheats and experienced the bad guys and
learned....\"To be a father. I saw what it means to be a father.
The meaning of honesty. What is courage. I saw that
too.\"
/quote]
his is a really good point. When he was on the
side of the law 100% he was cheated, lied too, disrespected.
�The people who claimed to love him, cheated him and used him.
Lied to him and abused him. He lost everything he had and
�loved. His life fell apart. He gave up on life. Once he met
Bahri things changed. He got Sinan back. �He once again found a
purpose for life. He was trusted and believed in. He was admired
and respected. He saw qualities in these people he hadn\'t seen
in anyone before. Commitment, trust, loyalty. He found a father
figure and role models in people he should have been putting in
jail. It\'s poetic in a way.
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Poyraz Karayel 23.B�l�m Fragman?
By: Lena Date: June 8, 2015, 5:42 pm
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[quote author=vici date=1433798427]
\'m in love with this
conversation.
t brought me closer to the explanation why I love
PK and what I miss in other dizis right now.
asn\'t able to
describe it yet, but it\'s most likely the people\'s
fight/development/conflict with their own perceptions. The way
they knowingly/willingly go against them.
ot the people\'s
fights against external (mostly artificial) factors.[/quote]
re
you talking about the characters when you say people? Either
way, I agree with you so much. You say so little, yet use
profound words that say so much. Join us next time!
oyraz lied
and had many chances to say the truth. I see that very clearly.
But, his intentions were good but that\'s what happens when you
are confused on whose side you are on in the first place.
#Post#: 663667--------------------------------------------------
Poyraz Karayel 23.B�l�m Fragman?
By: Gina Date: June 8, 2015, 7:13 pm
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You do not agree with me
hy he must tell Bahry about the paper
from Mumtas, Is he crazy or what?
e did not kill Cema because
he is not a killer and not a phyco like Sadro! he is a good man
,all the others - they are cute and entetaining but they are
just killers they kill just for fun.I think he is not confused
at all!!!!, but fans are confused - who is good or bad there.
For example some love Songul so much
do not love all the
others they are mafia after all What is good about Cema - she
works for bad people and always ready to give them Poyraz she is
not as honest as AG/ Sefer is ready to� kill Cema as he said and
he will cry but after. Only Poyraz knows� what is good or bad .
I love the actors who play the characters but i see who they are
really.Bad bad bad!!!
#Post#: 663669--------------------------------------------------
Poyraz Karayel 23.B�l�m Fragman?
By: Angel/Poyraz Date: June 8, 2015, 7:44 pm
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[quote author=Gina date=1433808798]
ou do not agree with me
Why he must tell Bahry about the paper from Mumtas, Is he crazy
or what?
e did not kill Cema because he is not a killer and not
a phyco like Sadro! he is a good man ,all the others - they are
cute and entetaining but they are just killers they kill just
for fun.I think he is not confused at all!!!!, but fans are
confused - who is good or bad there. For example some love
Songul so much
do not love all the others they are mafia after
all What is good about Cema - she works for bad people and
always ready to give them Poyraz she is not as honest as AG/
Sefer is ready to� kill Cema as he said and he will cry but
after. Only Poyraz knows� what is good or bad . I love the
actors who play the characters but i see who they are really.Bad
bad bad!!!
/quote]
o only little kids should tell the truth.
�
y the way...I think we all love Poyraz. �
ne thing about
this show is that almost no one is black or white. Bahri may be
a mafia boss but he is more honorable than Mumtaz or Unsal.
It\'s not so simple. Poyraz is a good man that has done bad
things and Bahri is a \"bad\" man that has done good things.
Everyone has capability of good and bad here, like all human
beings.�
#Post#: 663670--------------------------------------------------
Poyraz Karayel 23.B�l�m Fragman?
By: Lena Date: June 8, 2015, 8:01 pm
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But, not every human being is a criminal.
eyse, this show
definitely challenges our own perceptions of good and bad. Right
and wrong.
ying is bad but it\'s not a crime. I think that\'s
what some are trying to say.
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