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Re: Gnosticism
By: rp Date: February 14, 2023, 2:29 am
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"Exactly. Judaism should be grouped with Vedism."
I agree. Our enemies, however, call this stuff "Aryan":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Vedic_religion#Indo-Aryan_Vedic_religi…
[quote]Aspects of the historical Vedic religion survived into
modern times. The Nambudiri Brahmins continue the ancient
Śrauta rituals. The complex Vedic rituals of Śrauta
continue to be practiced in Kerala and coastal Andhra.[63] The
Kalash people residing in northwest Pakistan also continue to
practice a form of ancient Hinduism.[61][g]
[/quote]
https://twitter.com/arya_amsha/status/1558770205098012672
[quote]It seems that the Nambutiris were the only sect of
Brahmins that never really joined a Vedantic Sampradaya en masse
and remained Orthodox Srotriyas following Purva Mimamsa and the
old Arya religion of the Vedic sacrifices. They seem to be
Shaivite leaning in personal worship.
[img width=1280
height=187]
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FaHc7lGUUAAINkE?format=png&name=4096x4096[/img]
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Re: Rightists getting leftism wrong
By: SirGalahad Date: May 16, 2023, 1:00 am
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https://youtu.be/y011Pdrb3Sk
The premise behind the video (National Socialism was Gnostic)
isn�t exactly unflattering to our camp, but he takes that
premise and mixes it in a massive vat of misinformation. A few
gems in the video include:
1. He conflates Gnosticism as being in the same camp as
Hermeticists and general occultists
2. He frames Gnostics as this hidden cabal pulling the strings
of society as a lesser known and followed, even secretive sect,
when the reason it�s lesser known and even lesser followed, is
�because of its personal excellence� as Savitri Devi would say.
Speaking of which�.
3. He uses �gnosis� being commonly translated as �hidden
knowledge� as evidence that gnostics are this secret society,
when �gnosis� is only hidden in the sense that you have to
actually WORK for it. If we follow his own logic, then what he�s
saying would apply equally to Buddhism, and its relationship
with the concept of enlightenment. Although considering his
personal beliefs, I�m sure he�d be against Buddhist teachings as
well. We Gnostics are MORE than happy to proselytize, and we�d
be even happier if everyone on Earth were Gnostic
4. He claims that John predicted the future through divine
revelation, and that this is proof that he was Gnostic.
Completely ignoring the fact that predicting the future in the
manner that he�s discussing is just what humans tend to do,
especially if they�re religious. That�s not unique to, or
characteristic of Gnosticism in any way, shape or form
5. Gnosticism is supposedly a parasite that infects other
religions, even though you could completely ignore Christianity,
Islam, Judaism, or any other mainstream religion and still have
Gnosticism come out on the other end equally as coherent.
Regardless of our beliefs on the Gnostic nature of Christianity
or Islam or (the non-Gnostic nature of) Judaism, specific
prophets are completely irrelevant to Gnosticism�s legitimacy. I
would have no qualms at all with Gnostics who wish to separate
themselves from other religions or prophets entirely and
emphasize its independence, at least on a purely religious basis
5. He claims that Gnosticism requires its followers to
self-censor themselves from opposing views, because they�ve
already arrived at the Truth. Ignoring the fact that this is a
general human tendency to block out opposing views and not a
specifically Gnostic one, this is false for very obvious
reasons. Gnostics are just as capable of being well versed in
general religion and philosophy. And if I were self-censoring
myself, then I wouldn�t have wasted over 45 minutes of my time
watching his video. The misinformation in this video is so dense
that if I were self-censoring, I would have stopped watching 10
minutes in
6. In one of his most baffling statements of all, he claims that
the Puritans were Gnostics. Yes, THE Puritans
This video really needs to be watched all the way through. This
little comment I�ve posted here, does not do it justice. And
this video is currently sitting at over 150,000 views, with many
commenters accepting it uncritically, or at the very least not
critically enough. This video is a great example of epistemic
violence, in my opinion
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Re: Gnosticism
By: 90sRetroFan Date: May 16, 2023, 3:02 am
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"1. He conflates Gnosticism as being in the same camp as
Hermeticists and general occultists"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermeticism#Philosophy
[quote]peculiar to the Hermetic view of the divinity is that it
is both the all (Greek: to pan) and the creator of the all: all
created things pre-exist in God,[36] and God is the nature of
the cosmos (being both the substance from which it proceeds and
the governing principle which orders it),[37] yet the things
themselves and the cosmos were all created by God. Thus, God
('the All') creates itself,[38] and is both transcendent (as the
creator of the cosmos) and immanent (as the created cosmos).[36]
These ideas are closely related to the cosmo-theological views
of the Stoics.[39][/quote]
This is ultra-monism, completely different from the dualism of
Gnosticism. Unsurprisingly, it is also anthropocentric:
[quote]Man carefully observed the creation of nous and received
from God man's authority over all creation. [/quote]
It gets worse:
[quote]One must create, one must do something positive in one's
life, because God is a generative power. Not creating anything
leaves a person "sterile" (i.e., unable to accomplish
anything).[61][/quote]
From here we might as well go straight back to:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/progressive-yahwism/
The impression I have received over the years is that only
non-anthropocentrists have any hope of understanding Gnosticism
properly (whether or not they agree with it). Anthropocentrists
(including the Wikipedia editors on the Gnosticism page) always
screw up before they even begin:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosticism
[quote]Divine elements "fall" into the material realm, and are
locked within human beings.
...
humanity can recover the lost knowledge of the divine origins of
humanity.
...
The demiurge is responsible for the creation of humankind;
trapping elements of the pleroma stolen from Sophia inside human
bodies.
...
A mythical story developed about the descent of a heavenly
creature to reveal the Divine world as the true home of human
beings.
...
God was awaiting a chance to destroy it and start over, thereby
helping humanity to escape its corrupt bodies and locations by
fleeing into celestial ones.[220][/quote]
https://www.wisebread.com/files/fruganomics/imagecache/blog_image_full/files/fr…
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Re: Gnosticism
By: 2ThaSun Date: May 16, 2023, 7:00 pm
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The only thing I took of value from Hermeticism is that heat is
not the opposite of cold, but a varying degree of it. In the
material realm many things we see as opposites are usually just
varying degrees of the same thing, vibration. Light is a varying
degree of dark and vice-versa. When it comes to morals, ethics,
and God, Gnosticism is far superior to Hermeticism. Hermeticism
has some good explanations in regards to how the material realm
operates I would say when it speaks of things in the material
realm not being opposites but varying degrees of atomic
vibration.
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Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
By: express your power Date: December 10, 2023, 8:30 pm
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[quote]
-And the great triple-powered Authades - the third
triple-powered one who is in the thirteenth aeon, who had been
disobedient - had not emanated all that was purified of his
inner power, nor had he given what was purified of his light at
the time when the archons had given their purification, and he
had wished to be lord over the whole thirteenth aeon and those
beneath it.
-Because he did not remember to show mercy; and
he pursued a poor man and a wretched one, and he persecuted
one who was affiicted, to kill him.
-For this reason God will destroy thee completely. He
will uproot thee; and he will draw thee from thy dwelling,
and he will pluck out thy root and cast it outside of those
that are living.
-And the 24 emanations will see what has happened to thee, 0
lion-faced power, and they will fear and they will not be
disobedient, but they will give what is purified of their light.
-may their name be removed from the thirteenth aeon; indeed
rather may his name be taken away from that place for ever.
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It's imperative that one radiates out ones inner power. If one
decides to keep it within oneself and behave in dishonest,
indirect, and sneaky ways like jewry does then one may face the
death.
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Re: Gnosticism
By: ThreeBodyProblem Date: December 14, 2023, 12:50 am
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Forgive the Sci-Fi but I felt this video was particularly
relevant to Gnosticism:
The Lurker and The Original Universe | Three Body Problem Series
[quote]The Three-Body Problem series is one of the best
trilogies of science fiction books that I�ve read in recent
years, but in this video, we will be discussing its spinoff,
Redemption of Time. Redemption of Time was written by Baoshu,
and continues the storyline of the Three-Body Problem universe.
It mainly follows the character Tianming, the only character in
the original series to ever make direct contact with the
Trisolarans. Redemption of Time describes his time among the
Trisolarans and how he was visited by a powerful entity that
gave him knowledge about the nature of the universe. In this
video, we will mainly discuss the nature of the original
universe and how it began to collapse. In Redemption of Time we
learned that the original, 10-dimensional universe before it
began to collapse was constructed upon energy exchange between
photons, it was a universe of light.[/quote]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mElXuOpQBCM
Manichaeism definitely comes to mind for myself when speaking of
a "universe of light". The collapse of the 10th dimensional
consciousness and the fracturing of said consciousness into
multiple individual consciousness reminds me of the light
falling from the God-Head and becoming trapped and enslaved in
the material realm by the devil, or "Lurker", as the devil is
referred to in the Three Body Problem series.
Comment to the above video:
[quote]@Quinn'sIdeas: I think what you are attempting to
describe whilst using the Tanakh\Old Testament to do so actually
makes more sense from a purely Gnostic perspective. Here would
be a very simple example of what I am trying to explain: The 10
dimensional being could be called Allah, or the God-Head. This
would mean that the Lurker is Yahweh, the creator of the
material realm and planet earth. (Yahweh is often referred to as
"the foolish one" and the devil in Gnosticism). This would then
mean that Lucifer, also known as "the morning star" even in the
"Holy Bible", is an angel of Allah, or the God-Head, and is
waging war against Yahweh in service to Allah by trying to
destroy Yahweh and return all the fractured pieces of God's
consciousness to the God-Head, or the 10th dimensional
consciousness. Gnosticism is dualistic, meaning it believes in a
God of the material realm, and a God of the spiritual realm. In
Gnostic beliefs the God of the material realm is often known as
the devil. When you speak of a 10th dimension my mind
automatically relates it to the God of the spirit realm. The
splitting of God consciousness into multiple individual
consciousness that then become enslaved by the devil\Lurker in
the material realm just screams Gnosticism to me. Lest we forget
the story of the Tower of Babylon from the Old Testament, which
is basically a myth about pre-historic humanity attempting to
build a tower to reach the heavens and challenge Yahweh's
supremacy over the material realm, in which Yahweh panicked and
intentionally caused confusion among the humans so that they
would stop building the tower. (Catharism makes a lot of sense
in relation to the above also). [/quote]
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Re: Gnosticism
By: 90sRetroFan Date: December 14, 2023, 2:10 am
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2Umt-xwdmc
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Re: Gnosticism
By: SirGalahad Date: December 15, 2023, 11:41 pm
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@90sRetroFan That was a good one. I was kind of thrown for a
loop at the end, because I was prepared to analyze the movie
through a purely Gnostic lense, and the surface meaning ended up
being about something entirely different instead. Not that the
message they were intending to get across was a bad one though.
And there�s definitely a Gnostic substrate to the movie. I also
liked that you as the viewer and the main character both start
out knowing absolutely nothing and being incredibly confused,
and then you slowly piece it all together and get a greater
understanding of what�s going on. It kind of reiterates the
journey to gnosis/enlightenment
@ThreeBodyProblem I�m not much of a sci-fi person either, but
I�m interested in the book, since it seems to be one of the few
things from China that has broken the cultural barrier somewhat
in recent years. You almost never hear people talking about
books or shows or movies or games from China. But I�ve heard
avid readers in the English speaking world talk about the Three
Body Problem and say that it was good. A part of me wants to
wait till I fully understand Chinese to get into it, but it�ll
probably be a very long while before I�m easily reading sci-fi
books of all things in Chinese. So maybe I should just read the
English translation like everyone else, and then eventually get
back to the original version when I�m more advanced
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Re: Gnosticism
By: 90sRetroFan Date: December 16, 2023, 2:58 pm
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"You almost never hear people talking about books or shows or
movies or games from China."
Have you made any progress with the subtitling?
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/volunteer/new-website-thegrail-quest/msg21214…
There are many more dramas we could potentially do if you can
pick up the pace.
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Re: Gnosticism
By: SirGalahad Date: December 16, 2023, 3:58 pm
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I should be able to get something done, now that it�s winter
break. Lately, I�ve been dealing with and juggling a lot,
including my Chinese studies, so that�s why it got pushed to the
back burner. I also have access to a laptop now, so continuing
should be much more convenient. Before, I had a PC but no
monitor, so I had to do it in my bedroom on the floor in front
of my TV
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