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Re: Drafting up a Jamia
By: christianbethel Date: August 27, 2022, 6:31 pm
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[quote]Surah 10:22: �He is the One Who enables you to travel
through land and sea. And it so happens that you are on ships,
sailing with a favorable wind, to the passengers� delight.
Suddenly, the ships are overcome by a gale wind and those on
board are overwhelmed by waves from every side, and they assume
they are doomed. They cry out to Allah alone in sincere
devotion, �If You save us from this, we will certainly be
grateful.��
Surah 13:38: �We have certainly sent messengers before you O
Prophet and blessed them with wives and offspring. It was not
for any messenger to bring a sign without Allah�s permission.
Every destined matter has a set time.�
Surah 15:34-44: 'Allah commanded, �Then get out of Paradise, for
you are truly cursed. 35. And surely upon you is condemnation
until the Day of Judgment.� 36. Satan appealed, �My Lord! Then
delay my end until the Day of their resurrection.� 37. Allah
said, �You will be delayed 38. until the appointed Day.� 39.
Satan responded, �My Lord! For allowing me to stray I will
surely tempt them on earth and mislead them all together, 40.
except Your chosen servants among them.� 41. Allah said, �This
is the Way, binding on Me: 42. you will certainly have no
authority over My servants, except the deviant who follow you,
43. and surely Hell is their destined place, all together. 44.
It has seven gates, to each a group of them is designated.��
Surah 16:10: He is the One Who sends down rain from the sky,
from which you drink and by which plants grow for your cattle to
graze.
Surah 16:49: And to Allah alone bows down in submission whatever
is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth of living
creatures, as do the angels� who are not too proud to do so.
Surah 16:65: And Allah sends down rain from the sky, giving life
to the earth after its death. Surely in this is a sign for those
who listen.
Surah 16:98: When you recite the Qur'an, seek refuge with Allah
from Satan, the accursed.
Surah 17:53: �Tell My believing servants to say only what is
best. Satan certainly seeks to sow discord among them. Satan is
indeed a sworn enemy to humankind.�
Surah 21:95-97: �95. It is impossible for a society which We
have destroyed to ever rise again, 96. until after Gog and Magog
have broken loose from the barrier, swarming down from every
hill, 97. ushering in the True Promise. Then�behold!�the
disbelievers will stare in horror, crying, �Oh, woe to us! We
have truly been heedless of this. In fact, we have been
wrongdoers.��
Surah 22:52-53: �52. Whenever We sent a messenger or a prophet
before you O Prophet and he recited Our revelations, Satan would
influence people�s understanding of his recitation. But
eventually Allah would eliminate Satan�s influence. Then Allah
would firmly establish His revelations. And Allah is
All-Knowing, All-Wise. 53. All that so He may make Satan�s
influence a trial for those hypocrites whose hearts are sick and
those disbelievers whose hearts are hardened. Surely the
wrongdoers are totally engrossed in opposition.�
Surah 22:63: Do you not see that Allah sends down rain from the
sky, then the earth becomes green? Surely Allah is Most Subtle,
All-Aware.
Surah 22:65: Do you not see that Allah has subjected to you
whatever is in the earth as well as the ships that sail through
the sea by His command? He keeps the sky from falling down on
the earth except by His permission. Surely Allah is Ever
Gracious and Most Merciful to humanity
Surah 23:1-9: '1. Successful indeed are the believers: 2. those
who humble themselves in prayer; 3. those who avoid idle talk;
4. those who pay alms-tax; 5. those who guard their chastity 6.
except with their wives or those bondwomen in their possession,
for then they are free from blame, 7. but whoever seeks beyond
that are the transgressors; 8. the believers are also those who
are true to their trusts and covenants; 9. and those who are
properly observant of their prayers.�
Surah 23:18: We send down rain from the sky in perfect measure,
causing it to soak into the earth. And We are surely able to
take it away.
Surah 24:21: �O believers! Do not follow the footsteps of Satan.
Whoever follows Satan�s footsteps, then let them know that he
surely bids all to immorality and wickedness. Had it not been
for Allah�s grace and mercy upon you, none of you would have
ever been purified. But Allah purifies whoever He wills. And
Allah is All-Hearing, All-Knowing.�
Surah 24:43. Do you not see that Allah gently drives the clouds,
then joins them together, piling them up into masses, from which
you see raindrops come forth? And He sends down from the sky
mountains of clouds loaded with hail, pouring it on whoever He
wills and averting it from whoever He wills. The flash of the
clouds� lightning nearly takes away eyesight.
[/quote]
Are any of these Judaic?
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Re: Drafting up a Jamia
By: 90sRetroFan Date: August 27, 2022, 7:26 pm
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Explain what you consider each to be, and why. I will respond if
I see problems with your explanations.
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Re: Drafting up a Jamia
By: christianbethel Date: August 28, 2022, 10:21 am
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[quote]Surah 10:22: �He is the One Who enables you to travel
through land and sea. And it so happens that you are on ships,
sailing with a favorable wind, to the passengers� delight.
Suddenly, the ships are overcome by a gale wind and those on
board are overwhelmed by waves from every side, and they assume
they are doomed. They cry out to Allah alone in sincere
devotion, �If You save us from this, we will certainly be
grateful.��[/quote]
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me
he's being compared to Yahweh.
[quote]Surah 13:38: �We have certainly sent messengers before
you O Prophet and blessed them with wives and offspring. It was
not for any messenger to bring a sign without Allah�s
permission. Every destined matter has a set time.�[/quote]
The 'messengers' include Abraham, Moses, Noah, etc.
[quote]Surah 15:26-44: '26. Indeed, We created man from sounding
clay moulded from black mud. 27. As for the jinn, We created
them earlier from smokeless fire. 28. Remember, O Prophet when
your Lord said to the angels, �I am going to create a human
being from sounding clay moulded from black mud. 29. So when I
have fashioned him and had a spirit of My Own creation breathed
into him, fall down in prostration to him.� 30. So the angels
prostrated all together� 31. but not Ibl�s, who refused to
prostrate with the others. 32. Allah asked, �O Ibl�s! What is
the matter with you that you did not join others in
prostration?� 33. He replied, �It is not for me to prostrate to
a human You created from sounding clay moulded from black mud.�
Allah commanded, �Then get out of Paradise, for you are truly
cursed. 35. And surely upon you is condemnation until the Day of
Judgment.� 36. Satan appealed, �My Lord! Then delay my end until
the Day of their resurrection.� 37. Allah said, �You will be
delayed 38. until the appointed Day.� 39. Satan responded, �My
Lord! For allowing me to stray I will surely tempt them on earth
and mislead them all together, 40. except Your chosen servants
among them.� 41. Allah said, �This is the Way, binding on Me:
42. you will certainly have no authority over My servants,
except the deviant who follow you, 43. and surely Hell is their
destined place, all together. 44. It has seven gates, to each a
group of them is designated.��[/quote]
This is the story of how Iblis became Satan. From what I have
understood by reading the main site, Iblis is supposed to be
Lucifer, who is the good guy.
[quote]Surah 16:10: 'He is the One Who sends down rain from the
sky, from which you drink and by which plants grow for your
cattle to graze.'[/quote]
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me
he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me
delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain
from the sky.'
[quote]Surah 16:49: 'And to Allah alone bows down in submission
whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth of
living creatures, as do the angels� who are not too proud to do
so.'[/quote]
This passage reminds me of the Iblis story.
[quote]Surah 16:65: 'And Allah sends down rain from the sky,
giving life to the earth after its death. Surely in this is a
sign for those who listen.'[/quote]
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me
he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me
delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain
from the sky.'
[quote]Surah 16:98: 'When you recite the Qur'an, seek refuge
with Allah from Satan, the accursed.'[/quote]
Satan is Iblis, who is, in fact, Lucifer. Lucifer is the good
guy.
[quote]Surah 17:53: �Tell My believing servants to say only what
is best. Satan certainly seeks to sow discord among them. Satan
is indeed a sworn enemy to humankind.�[/quote]
Satan is Iblis, who is, in fact, Lucifer. Lucifer is the good
guy.
[quote]Surah 21:95-97: �95. It is impossible for a society which
We have destroyed to ever rise again, 96. until after Gog and
Magog have broken loose from the barrier, swarming down from
every hill, 97. ushering in the True Promise. Then�behold!�the
disbelievers will stare in horror, crying, �Oh, woe to us! We
have truly been heedless of this. In fact, we have been
wrongdoers.��[/quote]
I put this as Judaic because it mentions Gog and Magog, which
appears in the Tanakh.
[quote]Surah 22:52-53: �52. Whenever We sent a messenger or a
prophet before you O Prophet and he recited Our revelations,
Satan would influence people�s understanding of his recitation.
But eventually Allah would eliminate Satan�s influence. Then
Allah would firmly establish His revelations. And Allah is
All-Knowing, All-Wise. 53. All that so He may make Satan�s
influence a trial for those hypocrites whose hearts are sick and
those disbelievers whose hearts are hardened. Surely the
wrongdoers are totally engrossed in opposition.�[/quote]
Satan is Iblis, who is, in fact, Lucifer. Lucifer is the good
guy.Allah is describing his control over the weather, which
tells me he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because
you had me delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending
down rain from the sky.'
[quote]Surah 22:63: 'Do you not see that Allah sends down rain
from the sky, then the earth becomes green? Surely Allah is Most
Subtle, All-Aware.'[/quote]
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me
he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me
delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain
from the sky.'
[quote]Surah 22:65: 'Do you not see that Allah has subjected to
you whatever is in the earth as well as the ships that sail
through the sea by His command? He keeps the sky from falling
down on the earth except by His permission. Surely Allah is Ever
Gracious and Most Merciful to humanity.'[/quote]
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me
he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me
delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain
from the sky.'
[quote]Surah 23:1-9: '1. Successful indeed are the believers: 2.
those who humble themselves in prayer; 3. those who avoid idle
talk; 4. those who pay alms-tax; 5. those who guard their
chastity 6. except with their wives or those bondwomen in their
possession, for then they are free from blame, 7. but whoever
seeks beyond that are the transgressors; 8. the believers are
also those who are true to their trusts and covenants; 9. and
those who are properly observant of their prayers.�[/quote]
Allah is giving permission for slaveowners to have sex with
(r�pe) their female slaves.
[quote]Surah 23:18: 'We send down rain from the sky in perfect
measure, causing it to soak into the earth. And We are surely
able to take it away.'[/quote]
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me
he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me
delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain
from the sky.'
[quote]Surah 24:21: �O believers! Do not follow the footsteps of
Satan. Whoever follows Satan�s footsteps, then let them know
that he surely bids all to immorality and wickedness. Had it not
been for Allah�s grace and mercy upon you, none of you would
have ever been purified. But Allah purifies whoever He wills.
And Allah is All-Hearing, All-Knowing.�[/quote]
Satan is Iblis, who is, in fact, Lucifer. Lucifer is the good
guy.
[quote]Surah 24:43: 'Do you not see that Allah gently drives the
clouds, then joins them together, piling them up into masses,
from which you see raindrops come forth? And He sends down from
the sky mountains of clouds loaded with hail, pouring it on
whoever He wills and averting it from whoever He wills. The
flash of the clouds� lightning nearly takes away eyesight.'
[/quote]
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me
he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me
delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain
from the sky.'
[quote]Surah 25:45-50: �45. Have you not seen how your Lord
extends the shade�He could have simply made it remain still if
He so willed�then We make the sun its guide, 46. causing the
shade to retreat gradually? 47. He is the One Who has made the
night for you as a cover, and made sleep for resting, and the
day for rising. 48. And He is the One Who sends the winds
ushering in His mercy, and We send down pure rain from the sky,
49. giving life to a lifeless land, and providing water for
countless animals and humans of Our Own creation. 50. We
certainly disperse it among them so they may be mindful, but
most people persist in ungratefulness.�[/quote]
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me
he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me
delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain
from the sky.'
[quote]Surah 25:53-54: �53. And He is the One Who merges the two
bodies of water: one fresh and palatable and the other salty and
bitter, placing between them a barrier they cannot cross. 54.
And He is the One Who creates human beings from a humble liquid,
then establishes for them bonds of kinship and marriage. For
your Lord is Most Capable.�[/quote]
Allah is talking about how he can manipulate water, which is
something Yahweh does.
[quote]Surah 25:61: 'Blessed is the One Who has placed
constellations in the sky, as well as a radiant lamp and a
luminous moon. 62. And He is the One Who causes the day and the
night to alternate, as a sign for whoever desires to be mindful
or to be grateful.�[/quote]
Here Allah is described as creating the heavens and the various
heavenly bodies, which should be attributed to Yahweh.
[quote]Surah 26:4: �If We willed, We could send down upon them a
compelling sign from the heavens, leaving their necks bent in
utter submission to it.�[/quote]
Yahweh is the one who sends 'compelling signs' from heaven, not
Allah.
[quote]Surah 26:197: 'Was it not sufficient proof for the
deniers that it has been recognized by the knowledgeable among
the Children of Israel?�[/quote]
References the Tanakh.
[quote]Surah 27:Ayah 86: �Do they not see that We made the night
for them to rest in and the day bright? Surely in this are signs
for those who believe.�[/quote]
Allah is stating that he is the cause of the motion of heavenly
bodies.
[quote]Surah 27:Ayah 88: �Now you see the mountains, thinking
they are firmly fixed, but they are traveling just like clouds.
That is the design of Allah, Who has perfected everything.
Surely He is All-Aware of what you do.�[/quote]
Allah is described as creating the mountains, which is Judaic.
[quote]Surah 28:71: 'Ask them, O Prophet, �Imagine if Allah were
to make the night perpetual for you until the Day of Judgment,
which god other than Allah could bring you sunlight? Will you
not then listen?� 72. Ask them also, �Imagine if Allah were to
make the day perpetual for you until the Day of Judgment, which
god other than Allah could bring you night to rest in? Will you
not then see?� 73. It is out of His mercy that He has made for
you the day and night so that you may rest in the latter and
seek His bounty in the former, and perhaps you will be
grateful.�[/quote]
Allah is stating that he is the cause of the motion of heavenly
bodies.
[quote]Surah 29:46: �Do not argue with the People of the Book
unless gracefully, except with those of them who act wrongfully.
And say, �We believe in what has been revealed to us and what
was revealed to you. Our Allah and your Allah is only One. And
to Him we fully submit.��[/quote]
The 'People of the Book' includes Jews.
[quote]Surah 29:63: 'And if you ask them who sends down rain
from the sky, giving life to the earth after its death, they
will surely say, �Allah!� Say, �Praise be to Allah!� In fact,
most of them do not understand.�[/quote]
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me
he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me
delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain
from the sky.'
[quote]Surah 30:19: 'He brings forth the living from the dead
and the dead from the living. And He gives life to the earth
after its death. And so will you be brought forth from the
grave.'[/quote]
This sounds like something Yahweh would do.
[quote]Surah 30:23: 'And one of His signs is your sleep by night
and by day for rest as well as your seeking His bounty in both.
Surely in this are signs for people who listen. 24. And one of
His signs is that He shows you lightning, inspiring you with
hope and fear. And He sends down rain from the sky, reviving the
earth after its death. Surely in this are signs for people who
understand. 25. And one of His signs is that the heavens and the
earth persist by His command. Then when He calls you out of the
earth just once, you will instantly come forth.�[/quote]
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me
he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me
delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain
from the sky.'
[quote]Surah 30:40: �It is Allah Who created you, then gives you
provisions, then will cause you to die, and then will bring you
back to life. Can any of your associate-gods do any of this?
Glorified and Exalted is He above what they associate with Him
in worship!�[/quote]
This sounds like something Yahweh would do.
[quote]Surah 30:46: �And one of His signs is that He sends the
winds, ushering in good news of rain so that He may give you a
taste of His mercy, and that ships may sail by His command, and
that you may seek His bounty, and perhaps you will be
grateful.�[/quote]
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me
he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me
delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain
from the sky.'
[quote]Surah 30:48-51: �48. It is Allah Who sends the winds,
which then stir up vapor, forming clouds, which He then spreads
out in the sky or piles up into masses as He wills, from which
you see rain come forth. Then as soon as He causes it to fall on
whoever He wills of His servants, they rejoice, 49. although
they had utterly lost hope just before it was sent down to them.
50. See then the impact of Allah�s mercy: how He gives life to
the earth after its death! Surely That same Creator can raise
the dead. For He is Most Capable of everything.'[/quote]
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me
he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me
delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain
from the sky.'
[quote]Surah 30:54: �It is Allah Who created you in a state of
weakness, then developed your weakness into strength, then
developed your strength into weakness and old age. He creates
whatever He wills. For He is the All-Knowing, Most
Capable.�[/quote]
This sounds like something Yahweh would do.
[quote]Surah 31:29: 'Do you not see that Allah causes the night
to merge into the day and the day into the night, and has
subjected the sun and the moon, each orbiting for an appointed
term, and that Allah is All-Aware of what you do?�[/quote]
Allah is stating that he is the cause of the motion of heavenly
bodies.
[quote]Surah 31:31: �Do you not see that the ships sail smoothly
through the sea by the grace of Allah so that He may show you
some of His signs? Surely in this are signs for whoever is
steadfast, grateful.�[/quote]
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me
he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me
delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain
from the sky.'
[quote]Surah 31:34: �Indeed, Allah alone has the knowledge of
the Hour. He sends down the rain, and knows what is in the
wombs. No soul knows what it will earn for tomorrow, and no soul
knows in what land it will die. Surely Allah is All-Knowing,
All-Aware.�[/quote]
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me
he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me
delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain
from the sky.'
[quote]Surah 32:27: 'Do they not see how We drive rain to
parched land, producing various crops from which they and their
cattle eat? Will they not then see?'[/quote]
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me
he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me
delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain
from the sky.'
[quote]Surah 33:4-8: �4. Allah does not place two hearts in any
person�s chest. Nor does He regard your wives as unlawful for
you like your real mothers, even if you say they are. Nor does
He regard your adopted children as your real children. These are
only your baseless assertions. But Allah declares the truth, and
He alone guides to the Right Way. 5. Let your adopted children
keep their family names. That is more just in the sight of
Allah. But if you do not know their fathers, then they are
simply your fellow believers and close associates. There is no
blame on you for what you do by mistake, but only for what you
do intentionally. And Allah is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful. 6.
The Prophet has a stronger affinity to the believers than they
do themselves. And his wives are their mothers. As ordained by
Allah, blood relatives are more entitled to inheritance than
other believers and immigrants, unless you want to show kindness
to your close associates through bequest. This is decreed in the
Record. 7. And remember when We took a covenant from the
prophets, as well as from you O Prophet, and from Noah, Abraham,
Moses, and Jesus, son of Mary. We did take a solemn covenant
from all of them 8. so that He may question these men of truth
about their delivery of the truth. And He has prepared a painful
punishment for the disbelievers.�[/quote]
I'm not sure, but I think there's laws similar to this
concerning adopted children in the Tanakh.
[quote]Surah 33:32: �O wives of the Prophet! You are not like
any other women: if you are mindful of Allah, then do not be
overly effeminate in speech with men or those with sickness in
their hearts may be tempted, but speak in a moderate
tone.�[/quote]
Subjugation of women.
[quote]Surah 33:52: �It is not lawful for you O Prophet to marry
more women after this, nor can you replace any of your present
wives with another, even if her beauty may attract you�except
those bondwomen in your possession. And Allah is ever Watchful
over all things.�[/quote]
Female slaves can be married, but I don't see any mention of
them being freed.
[quote]Surah 34:20-21: �20. Indeed, Ibl�s� assumption about them
has come true, so they all follow him, except a group of true
believers. 21. He does not have any authority over them, but Our
Will is only to distinguish those who believe in the Hereafter
from those who are in doubt about it. And your Lord is a
vigilant Keeper over all things.��[/quote]
Satan is Iblis, who is, in fact, Lucifer. Lucifer is the good
guy.
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Re: Drafting up a Jamia
By: christianbethel Date: August 28, 2022, 10:22 am
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[quote]Surah 38:71-85: �71. Remember, O Prophet when your Lord
said to the angels, �I am going to create a human being from
clay. 72. So when I have fashioned him and had a spirit of My
Own creation breathed into him, fall down in prostration to
him.� 73. So the angels prostrated all together� 74. but not
Ibl�s, who acted arrogantly, becoming unfaithful. 75. Allah
asked, �O Ibl�s! What prevented you from prostrating to what I
created with My Own Hands? Did you just become proud? Or have
you always been arrogant?� 76. He replied, �I am better than he
is: You created me from fire and him from clay.� 77. Allah
commanded, �Then get out of Paradise, for you are truly cursed.
78. And surely upon you is My condemnation until the Day of
Judgment.� 79. Satan appealed, �My Lord! Then delay my end until
the Day of their resurrection.� 80. Allah said, �You will be
delayed 81. Until the appointed Day.� 82. Satan said, �By Your
Glory! I will certainly mislead them all, 83. except Your chosen
servants among them.� 84. Allah concluded, �The truth is�and I
only say the truth�: 85. I will surely fill up Hell with you and
whoever follows you from among them, all together.��[/quote]
This is the story of how Iblis became Satan. From what I have
understood by reading the main site, Iblis is supposed to be
Lucifer, who is the good guy.
[quote]Surah 39:21: �Do you not see that Allah sends down rain
from the sky�channeling it through streams in the earth�then
produces with it crops of various colors, then they dry up and
you see them wither, and then He reduces them to chaff? Surely
in this is a reminder for people of reason.�[/quote]
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me
he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me
delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain
from the sky.'
[quote]Surah 40:8: �8. Our Lord! Admit them into the Gardens of
Eternity which You have promised them, along with the righteous
among their parents, spouses, and descendants. You alone are
truly the Almighty, All-Wise.�[/quote]
Parents should not be allowed into Paradise.
[quote]Surah 42:8-9: �8. Had Allah willed, He could have easily
made all humanity into a single community of believers. But He
admits into His mercy whoever He wills. And the wrongdoers will
have no protector or helper. 9. How can they take protectors
besides Him? Allah alone is the Protector. He alone gives life
to the dead. And He alone is Most Capable of
everything.�[/quote]
This sounds like something Yahweh would do.
[quote]Surah 42:28. He is the One Who sends down rain after
people have given up hope, spreading out His mercy. He is the
Guardian, the Praiseworthy. 29. And among His signs is the
creation of the heavens and the earth, and all living beings He
dispersed throughout both. And He is Most Capable of bringing
all together whenever He wills.�[/quote]
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me
he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me
delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain
from the sky.'
[quote]Surah 42:32-35: �32. And among His signs are the ships
like mountains sailing in the sea. 33. If He wills, He can calm
the wind, leaving the ships motionless on the water. Surely in
this are signs for whoever is steadfast, grateful. 34. Or He can
wreck the ships for what the people have committed�though He
forgives much� 35. so those who dispute about Our signs may know
that they have no refuge.�[/quote]
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me
he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me
delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain
from the sky.'
[quote]Surah 43:11: 'And He is the One Who sends down rain from
the sky in perfect measure, with which We give life to a
lifeless land. And so will you be brought forth from the
grave.'[/quote]
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me
he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me
delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain
from the sky.'
[quote]Surah 43:16: 'Has He taken angels as His daughters from
what He created, and favored you O pagans with sons?�[/quote]
Allah creating angels is Judaic.
[quote]Surah 43:60-62: �60. Had We willed, We could have easily
replaced you all with angels, succeeding one another on earth.
61. And his second coming is truly a sign for the Hour. So have
no doubt about it, and follow me. This is the Straight Path. 62.
And do not let Satan hinder you, for he is certainly your sworn
enemy.�[/quote]
Satan is Iblis, who is, in fact, Lucifer. Lucifer is the good
guy.
[quote]Surah 44:8: �There is no Allah worthy of worship except
Him. He alone gives life and causes death. He is your Lord, and
the Lord of your forefathers.�[/quote]
Allah causing life and death is Judaic.
[quote]Surah 50:9: 'And We send down blessed rain from the sky,
bringing forth gardens and grains for harvest, 10. and towering
palm trees loaded with clustered fruit, 11. as a provision for
Our servants. And with this rain We revive a lifeless land.
Similar is the emergence from the graves.'[/quote]
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me
he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me
delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain
from the sky.'
[quote]Surah 55:19-20: �19. He merges the two bodies of fresh
and salt water, 20. yet between them is a barrier they never
cross.�[/quote]
Allah is described as being able to manipulate water, which is
something Yahweh does.
[quote]Surah 56:57-73: �57. It is We Who created you. Will you
not then believe in resurrection? 58. Have you considered what
you ejaculate? 59. Is it you who create a child out of it, or is
it We Who do so? 60. We have ordained death for all of you, and
We cannot be prevented 61. from transforming and recreating you
in forms unknown to you. 62. You already know how you were first
created. Will you not then be mindful? 63. Have you considered
what you sow? 64. Is it you who cause it to grow, or is it We
Who do so? 65. If We willed, We could simply reduce this harvest
to chaff, leaving you to lament, 66. �We have truly suffered a
great loss. 67. In fact, we have been deprived of our
livelihood.� 68. Have you considered the water you drink? 69. Is
it you who bring it down from the clouds, or is it We Who do so?
70. If We willed, We could make it salty. Will you not then give
thanks? 71. Have you considered the fire you kindle? 72. Is it
you who produce its trees, or is it We Who do so? 73. We have
made it as a reminder of the Hellfire and a provision for the
travelers.�[/quote]
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me
he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me
delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain
from the sky.'
[quote]Surah 57:6: �He [Allah] merges the night into day and the
day into night. And He knows best what is hidden in the
heart.�[/quote]
Allah is stating that he is the cause of the motion of heavenly
bodies.
[quote]Surah 58:10: �Secret talks are only inspired by Satan to
grieve the believers. Yet he cannot harm them whatsoever except
by Allah�s Will. So in Allah let the believers put their
trust.�[/quote]
Satan is Iblis, who is, in fact, Lucifer. Lucifer is the good
guy.
[quote]Surah 65:4: �As for your women past the age of
menstruation, in case you do not know, their waiting period is
three months, and those who have not menstruated as well. As for
those who are pregnant, their waiting period ends with delivery.
And whoever is mindful of Allah, He will make their matters easy
for them.�[/quote]
Allah is not punishing these couples for procreating.
[quote]Surah 65:6: �Let them live where you live during their
waiting period, according to your means. And do not harass them
to make their stay unbearable. If they are pregnant, then
maintain them until they deliver. And if they nurse your child,
compensate them, and consult together courteously. But if you
fail to reach an agreement, then another woman will nurse the
child for the father.�[/quote]
Allah is not punishing these couples for procreating.
[quote]Surah 66:4: 'It will be better if you wives both turn to
Allah in repentance, for your hearts have certainly faltered.
But if you continue to collaborate against him, then know that
Allah Himself is his Guardian. And Gabriel, the righteous
believers, and the angels are all his supporters as
well.�[/quote]
Subjugation of women.
[quote]Surah 80:24: 'Let people then consider their food: 25.
how We pour down rain in abundance 26. and meticulously split
the earth open for sprouts, 27. causing grain to grow in it, 28.
as well as grapes and greens, 29. and olives and palm trees, 30.
and dense orchards, 31. and fruit and fodder� 32. all as a means
of sustenance for you and your animals.�[/quote]
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me
he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me
delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain
from the sky.'
[quote]Surah 88:17-20: �17. Do they not ever reflect on
camels�how they were masterfully created; 18. and the sky�how it
was raised high; 19. and the mountains�how they were firmly set
up; 20. and the earth�how it was leveled out?�[/quote]
Allah is bragging about his 'creations', which is something
which should be attributed to Yahweh.
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Re: Drafting up a Jamia
By: 90sRetroFan Date: August 28, 2022, 6:15 pm
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"Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells
me he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had
me delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down
rain from the sky.'"
"Yahweh is the one who sends 'compelling signs' from heaven, not
Allah."
"Allah creating angels is Judaic."
"Allah is described as being able to manipulate water, which is
something Yahweh does."
A hacker is not necessarily the same person as the coder.
With that said:
[quote]Surah 42:28. He is the One Who sends down rain after
people have given up hope, spreading out His mercy. He is the
Guardian, the Praiseworthy. 29. And among His signs is the
creation of the heavens and the earth, and all living beings He
dispersed throughout both. And He is Most Capable of bringing
all together whenever He wills.�[/quote]
29 is Judaic. But 28 is not.
[quote] [quote] Surah 13:38: �We have certainly sent
messengers before you O Prophet and blessed them with wives and
offspring. It was not for any messenger to bring a sign without
Allah�s permission. Every destined matter has a set time.�
[/quote]
The 'messengers' include Abraham, Moses, Noah, etc.[/quote]
This verse does not mention who the messengers are. You are
applying your own preconceptions to it.
[quote] [quote]Surah 16:49: 'And to Allah alone bows down in
submission whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the
earth of living creatures, as do the angels� who are not too
proud to do so.'[/quote]
This passage reminds me of the Iblis story.[/quote]
You are illiterate. The Iblis story was about Iblis refusing to
bow to Adam. From your own earlier quote:
[quote]So the angels prostrated all together� 31. but not Ibl�s,
who refused to prostrate with the others. 32. Allah asked, �O
Ibl�s! What is the matter with you that you did not join others
in prostration?� 33. He replied, �It is not for me to prostrate
to a human You created from sounding clay moulded from black
mud.�[/quote]
Iblis' refusal to bow to Adam is in fact consistent with 16:49,
since Iblis is in effect refusing to bow to someone other than
Allah.
[quote] [quote]Surah 16:98: 'When you recite the Qur'an, seek
refuge with Allah from Satan, the accursed.'[/quote]
Satan is Iblis, who is, in fact, Lucifer. Lucifer is the good
guy.[/quote]
This verse does not explicitly equate Satan with Iblis. You are
applying your own preconceptions to it.
"I put this as Judaic because it mentions Gog and Magog, which
appears in the Tanakh."
It is possible to use mythical elements from the Tanakh without
endorsing its worldview.
"Allah is giving permission for slaveowners to have sex with
(r�pe) their female slaves."
"Female slaves can be married, but I don't see any mention of
them being freed."
This does not necessarily imply a Judaic origin. Please follow
procedure. We are currently only removing Judaic verses.
[quote] [quote]Surah 29:46: �Do not argue with the People of
the Book unless gracefully, except with those of them who act
wrongfully. And say, �We believe in what has been revealed to us
and what was revealed to you. Our Allah and your Allah is only
One. And to Him we fully submit.��[/quote]
The 'People of the Book' includes Jews.[/quote]
This verse does not explicitly say this. You are applying your
own preconceptions to it.
[quote] [quote]Surah 33:32: �O wives of the Prophet! You are
not like any other women: if you are mindful of Allah, then do
not be overly effeminate in speech with men or those with
sickness in their hearts may be tempted, but speak in a moderate
tone.�[/quote]
Subjugation of women.[/quote]
You are illiterate. This verse is proclaiming the superiority of
low sexual dimorphism.
"Parents should not be allowed into Paradise."
Mohammed himself was a parent, and said he would be going to
Paradise.
"Allah is not punishing these couples for procreating."
Allah understands that we are at war. If the followers of
Mohammed had reproduced more during Mohammed's time, perhaps the
Islamic armies could have won at Poitiers, and then the
Renaissance and consequently the Industrial Revolution could
have been prevented from ever occurring. How many more births
could then have been prevented?
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Re: Drafting up a Jamia
By: christianbethel Date: August 29, 2022, 3:21 pm
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'A hacker is not necessarily the same person as the coder.'
Ah. Say no more.
'You are illiterate.'
Not really a good idea to insult the guy who's doing all the
work for you. Just sayin'. And for your information, I'm not
illiterate, I'm autistic. I process information differently from
big-brained neurotypicals like yourself. If you can't tell the
difference between autism and illiteracy, then you have my pity.
The proper changes have been made to the document. You can
continue your examination now.
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Re: Drafting up a Jamia
By: 90sRetroFan Date: August 29, 2022, 4:42 pm
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"I'm autistic."
Autism is a Western concept. We are here to destroy Western
civilization.
"The proper changes have been made to the document. You can
continue your examination now."
[quote]Ayat 96-98: '96. Indeed, those against whom Allah�s
decree of torment is justified will not believe� 97. even if
every sign were to come to them�until they see the painful
punishment. 98. If only there had been a society which believed
before seeing the torment and, therefore, benefited from its
belief, like the people of Jonah. When they believed, We lifted
from them the torment of disgrace in this world and allowed them
enjoyment for a while.�[/quote]
Why not only 98?
[quote]Ayat 83-98: �83. They ask you O Prophet about
Ⱬul-Qarnain. Say, �I will relate to you something of his
narrative.� 84. Surely We established him in the land, and gave
him the means to all things. 85. So he traveled a course, 86.
until he reached the setting point of the sun, which appeared to
him to be setting in a spring of murky water, where he found
some people. We said, �O Ⱬul-Qarnain! Either punish them
or treat them kindly.� 87. He responded, �Whoever does wrong
will be punished by us, then will be returned to their Lord, Who
will punish them with a horrible torment. 88. As for those who
believe and do good, they will have the finest reward, and we
will assign them easy commands.� 89. Then he traveled a
different course 90. until he reached the rising point of the
sun. He found it rising on people for whom We had provided no
shelter from it. 91. So it was. And We truly had full knowledge
of him. 92. Then he traveled a third course 93. until he reached
a pass between two mountains. He found in front of them a people
who could hardly understand his language. 94. They pleaded, �O
Ⱬul-Qarnain! Surely Gog and Magog are spreading
corruption throughout the land. Should we pay you tribute,
provided that you build a wall between us and them?� 95. He
responded, �What my Lord has provided for me is far better. But
assist me with resources, and I will build a barrier between you
and them. 96. Bring me blocks of iron!� Then, when he had filled
up the gap between the two mountains, he ordered, �Blow!� When
the iron became red hot, he said, �Bring me molten copper to
pour over it.� 97. And so the enemies could neither scale nor
tunnel through it. 98. He declared, �This is a mercy from my
Lord. But when the promise of my Lord comes to pass, He will
level it to the ground. And my Lord�s promise is ever
true.��[/quote]
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Re: Drafting up a Jamia
By: christianbethel Date: August 29, 2022, 5:10 pm
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Ⱬul-Qarnain is theorized by many scholars to be Alexander
the Great.
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Re: Drafting up a Jamia
By: 90sRetroFan Date: August 29, 2022, 5:15 pm
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Please follow procedure. We are currently only removing Judaic
verses.
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Re: Drafting up a Jamia
By: christianbethel Date: August 29, 2022, 5:15 pm
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'Autism is a Western concept. We are here to destroy Western
civilization.'
So that gives you an excuse to call people who process
information differently from other people 'illiterate.'
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