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The superiority of pre-colonial aesthetics |
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By: 90sRetroFan Date: March 15, 2021, 1:20 am |
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OLD CONTENT |
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Recently I was reading about New World nautical engineering. |
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Here is a good introduction: |
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web.mit.edu/ldewan/Public/raft/3094_presentation.pdf (please |
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study this link in full before continuing) |
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www.bradshawfoundation.com/thor/balsa-raft.php |
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[quote]Aboriginal navigation in Peru and adjoining sections of |
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north-western South America is a subject that is little known |
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and still less understood by modern boat builders and |
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anthropologist. The apparent reason is that the Peruvian Indian |
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boat building was based on principles entirely different from |
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those of our ancestry. To the European mind the only seaworthy |
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vessel is one made buoyant by a watertight, air-filled hull, so |
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big and high that it cannot be filled by the waves. |
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To the ancient Peruvians the only seaworthy craft was one which |
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could never be filled by water because its open construction |
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formed no receptacle to retain the invading seas, which washed |
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through. They achieved this by building exceedingly buoyant |
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rafts of Balsa wood. |
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This type of Peruvian Balsa raft could travel as far as the |
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islands of Polynesia, 4000 miles away. The first record of a |
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Peruvian Balsa raft antedates the actual discovery of the Inca |
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Empire. When Francisco Pizarro left the Panama Isthmus in 1526 |
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on his second voyage of discovery down the Pacific coast of |
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South America; his expedition found Peruvian merchants sailors |
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at sea long before he discovered their country. |
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His Pilot was sailing ahead to explore the coast southwards near |
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the equator, when off northern Ecuador his ship suddenly met |
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another sailing vessel of almost equal size, coming in the |
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opposite direction. |
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The raft was manned by 20 Indian men and women, 11 of whom were |
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thrown overboard, four were left with the raft, and two men and |
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three women were retained by the Spanish to be trained as |
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interpreters for later voyages.[/quote] |
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This is, of course, standard colonialist treatment of |
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"non-whites". But there is more: |
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[quote]The Spaniards estimated the raft capacity at 36 tons, |
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only a fraction less than their own vessel. |
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Their report stated that it carried masts and yards of very fine |
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wood, and cotton sails in the same shape and manner as on their |
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own ships. It had very good rigging of hemp, stronger than their |
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own rope, and mooring stones for anchors. Many similar accounts |
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described rafts made of long and light logs, always of odd |
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number, 5,7,9 or 11, tied together with cross beams and covered |
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by a deck. The larger ones had the ability to carry up to 50 men |
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and three horses, and had a special cooking place on board in a |
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thatched hut. The cargoes often included salt, another proof of |
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their seaworthiness. |
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These rafts are navigated simply by raising and lowering |
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centreboards inserted in the cracks between the logs. By raising |
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and lowering these boards in different parts of the Balsa raft, |
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the natives could perform on their raft all the manoeuvres of a |
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regularly built and well rigged European vessel, and obtain |
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speeds of 4 to 5 knots. Tiny models of the rafts have been found |
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in graves, along with carved centreboards, near Arica in |
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northern Chile. The sail was probably know on the Peruvian coast |
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earlier than pottery and weaving.[/quote] |
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centreboard |
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[quote]Lt. John Schank (c. 1740 � 6 February 1823) was an |
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officer of the British Royal Navy and is credited with the |
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invention of the centerboard. Schank, however, gave credit for |
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the idea to British Brigadier General Earl Percy.[/quote] |
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NEVER FORGIVE. NEVER FORGET. |
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#Post#: 11012-------------------------------------------------- |
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The superiority of pre-colonial aesthetics |
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By: 90sRetroFan Date: February 2, 2022, 10:58 pm |
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The main purpose of this topic is to supply contrast to: |
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https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-ug… |
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For example, this post will supply contrast to such **** as in: |
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https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-ug… |
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https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-ug… |
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so we post non-Western paintings that reflect a completely |
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different worldview. In the following examples, note the |
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abundance of unfilled space, simple colour schemes and total |
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rejection of 3D: |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/%E9%AB%98%E5%A5%87%E5%B3%B0… |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/de/Bamboo_and_Stone_by_Guan_Da… |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/39/Zheng_Xie_-_Bamboo_an… |
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[img] |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/67/Mi_Style_Landscape_fan.JPG[… |
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https://img.dpm.org.cn/Uploads/Picture/dc/64538[1024].jpg |
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https://cdn2.picryl.com/photo/1675/01/01/eight-views-of-the-xiao-and-xiang-rive… |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6e/ZhOngSchanTchowBamboo.jpg |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/48/OngSchanTchowFish.jpg |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/ZhOngSchanTchowLonelyWoodcu… |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/Xu_Yuting_Fishing_on_… |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a7/Yujian_ink_Mercadodemonta%C… |
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https://www.chinasage.inf |
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o/imgs/MountainHermitage.jpg |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3f/Leaves_and_Insects_by_Qi_Ba… |
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https://cdn2.picryl.com/photo/2021/01/24/pd_china-893a64-1024.jpg |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fe/Tsuji_Kako_Paintings.… |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/Evening_Landscape%2C_c._154… |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c0/Gejou_Keikoku_Paintin… |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/95/Branch_of_Blossoming_… |
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https://free-images.com/lg/24fd/budo_to_risu_by.jpg |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/27/Sesshu_-_Haboku-Sansu… |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Kiyoshi_Watanabe_Pain… |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/Hasegawa_Tohaku_-_Pin… |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c7/Shubun_-_Reading_in_a… |
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[img] |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ca/Orchids_and_Rocks_alo… |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2d/%E7%8C%B4%E8%B2%93%E5… |
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[img] |
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https://wahooart.com/Art.nsf/O/8XYD87/$File/Katsushika-Hokusai-Tanuki.JPG[/img] |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e8/Sy%C5%8Dky%C5%8D-zu_2.jpg |
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Re: The superiority of pre-colonial aesthetics |
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By: 90sRetroFan Date: February 3, 2022, 8:21 pm |
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OLD CONTENT contd. |
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Remember, it's not just the paintings, but also the frames. |
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Contrasting with: |
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https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-ug… |
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non-Homo-Hubris people use either soft scrolls: |
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https://s.yimg.com/ob/image/1bda344f-0f3d-4d1b-b990-30c568af2928.jpg |
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https://img03.hamazo.tv/usr/tenshoudo/koboku157.jpg |
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[img width=960 |
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height=1280] |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/Hanging_scroll_and_Ikebana_… |
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https://www.zihuamei.com/userfiles/newscnzhm201762791748664295.jpg |
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https://i2.kknews.cc/E_s0hRJzvlUEOleWPnJFNcjj_tiIkmVn6uY4pA/0.jpg |
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http://file5.gucn.com/file/CurioPicfile/20110918/Gucn_20110918198216160634Pic2.… |
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[img width=574 |
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height=1280] |
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https://8.blog.xuite.net/8/b/2/7/29072857/blog_3443649/txt/104976803/10.jpg[/im… |
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[img] |
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https://www.shop.moj.gov.tw/public/Data/35210315971.JPG[/img] |
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or even when they use hard frames, these are totally undecorated |
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and purely functional, as anyone with even the most elementary |
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level of taste would assume all frames should be: |
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http://www.zihuazb.com/zb_users/upload/2019/05/201905171558058922689250.jpg |
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https://img.alicdn.com/i4/745546715/O1CN014knCfz1zTWEyaAWFf_!!0-item_pic.jpg_q5… |
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[img] |
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https://cf.shopee.tw/file/b781c0aa35b9b2c55321a5592d891722[/img] |
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[img] |
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https://cf.shopee.tw/file/0f788abf93f888ccfed30736304bb63b[/img] |
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http://www.zihuazb.com/zb_users/upload/2019/08/201908271566875798643110.jpg |
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https://img.ruten.com.tw/s2/0/40/70/22025701124208_918.jpg |
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https://www.art2500.com/uploadfile/ueditor/image/20190418/1555557925955897.jpg |
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[img] |
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https://imgservice.suning.cn/uimg1/b2c/image/fbbX7hymaaDW21kkk8qTQA.jpg_800w_80… |
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https://www.chinayis.com/image.php?maxwidth=400&maxheight=400&image=/Uploads/Pi… |
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It is only when we compare side-by-side that we see fully how |
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Western aesthetics are utterly **** in the head. |
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And the sad thing is, there are literally billions of |
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Eurocentrists out there who still presume Western aesthetics are |
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superior without having ever made proper comparisons..... |
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Re: The superiority of pre-colonial aesthetics |
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By: 90sRetroFan Date: February 4, 2022, 8:09 pm |
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[member=1]90sRetroFan[/member] |
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I actually love these type of art forms as well. Have always |
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been a fan of brush strokes and line work. Quite often I prefer |
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a sketch to a finished piece for example. I think the only thing |
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I get confused about is your use of the term '3D'. For myself |
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any work of art that has any shading in it at all has entered |
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into the third dimension, no? So from my perspective, there is |
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actually some 3D art in the images you presented below. I do not |
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see "the total rejection of 3D" in those images as you do. Some |
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clarification in this regard would be appreciated, thank you! |
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"For myself any work of art that has any shading in it at all |
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has entered into the third dimension, no?" |
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I would say only if the shading attempts to simulate material |
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space. In the examples I have posted, however, the shading still |
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obviously looks like a 2D splash of ink on a 2D surface; in many |
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cases you can even trace the 2D trajectory of the painter's hand |
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by looking at it. |
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This is a similar difference as between pixel sprites (2D) and |
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polygon models (3D): |
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[img] |
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https://venturebeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/ppusf4-featured.jpg?w=1200&s… |
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Due to the visibility of the pixels, the sprites on the left, |
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even though they involve shading, are still perceived in our |
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minds as 2D, as opposed to the polygon models on the right which |
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are instantly discernible as 3D. (And notice how much more |
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expressive the faces on the left are! This is the superiority of |
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2D.) |
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Formally speaking, I would require the following (all of which |
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are uniquely Western techniques) to be used for a painting to be |
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considered 3D: |
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaissance_art#Techniques |
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[quote]The use of proportion � The first major treatment of the |
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painting as a window into space appeared in the work of Giotto |
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di Bondone, at the beginning of the 14th century. True linear |
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perspective was formalized later, by Filippo Brunelleschi and |
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Leon Battista Alberti. In addition to giving a more realistic |
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presentation of art, it moved Renaissance painters into |
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composing more paintings. |
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Foreshortening � The term foreshortening refers to the artistic |
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effect of shortening lines in a drawing so as to create an |
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illusion of depth. |
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Sfumato � The term sfumato was coined by Italian Renaissance |
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artist Leonardo da Vinci and refers to a fine art painting |
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technique of blurring or softening of sharp outlines by subtle |
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and gradual blending of one tone into another through the use of |
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thin glazes to give the illusion of depth or |
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three-dimensionality. This stems from the Italian word sfumare |
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meaning to evaporate or to fade out. The Latin origin is fumare, |
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to smoke. |
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Chiaroscuro � The term chiaroscuro refers to the fine art |
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painting modeling effect of using a strong contrast between |
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light and dark to give the illusion of depth or |
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three-dimensionality. This comes from the Italian words meaning |
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light (chiaro) and dark (scuro), a technique which came into |
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wide use in the Baroque period.[/quote] |
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The examples posted above, to their credit, use none of these. |
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Re: The superiority of pre-colonial aesthetics |
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By: 90sRetroFan Date: March 25, 2023, 9:07 pm |
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OLD CONTENT contd. |
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The same applies to pottery. Contrast: |
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https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-ug… |
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against the following, where simple shapes and monochrome |
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decoration predominate: |
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https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/T2wAAOSwKIhdyLrS/s-l300.jpg |
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https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Z1QAAOSwbHFib99v/s-l500.jpg |
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[img] |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Brush_holder%2C_early… |
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https://artlogic-res.cloudinary.com/w_600,h_600,c_limit,f_auto,fl_lossy/ws-anit… |
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[img width=1280 |
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height=1041] |
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https://i.pinimg.com/originals/34/3f/72/343f725a40fc1ff62f31f1b9c5136f63.jpg[/i… |
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https://cdn2.picryl.com/photo/1725/12/31/chinese-vase-with-fabulous-animal-walt… |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/71/White_Porcelain_Bottl… |
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[img width=1280 |
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height=960] |
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https://bellamysworld.com/sites/default/files/products/IB02592B.jpg[/img] |
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https://images.antiquesatlas.com/dealer-stock-images/catherine_hunt_oriental_an… |
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https://s3.eu-central-1.amazonaws.com/aws.rm-auctions.com/thumbnails/width/1000… |
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[img] |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a7/Dish_with_poem%2C_Chi… |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4f/Bowl_with_Design_of_F… |
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https://artlogic-res.cloudinary.com/w_800,h_800,c_limit,f_auto,fl_lossy,q_auto/… |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/Five_Sencha_Cups%2C_b… |
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[img width=1280 |
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height=853] |
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https://www.rm-auctions.com/images/2018/09/10/f8ac5fc/a-pair-of-chinese-blue-an… |
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[img] |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Sometsuke-Shochikubai… |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ad/Bowl_with_maxim_in_Ku… |
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[img] |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/Bowl_with_foliated_Ku… |
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[img] |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f2/Bowl_with_Kufic_Arabi… |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f9/Bowl_with_Kufic_Calli… |
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https://cdn2.picryl.com/photo/2015/10/06/bowl-with-maxim-in-kufic-script-iran-n… |
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[img width=1280 |
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height=1280] |
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https://sothebys-md.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/18ec806/2147483647/strip/tr… |
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[img width=1280 |
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height=1280] |
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https://scontent.fhkg4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/60354243_2765316533539912_53… |
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https://i.pinimg.com/originals/33/00/ca/3300ca8a5e1d1c65a0262e9349d503f2.jpg |
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https://images.museumwnf.org/zoom/objects/epm/gr/21/36/1.jpg |
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https://humbermuseums.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/1964.113.3.jpg |
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[img width=1280 |
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height=707] |
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https://images.metmuseum.org/CRDImages/is/original/wb-40.170.25b.JPG[/img] |
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[img width=1280 |
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height=1280] |
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https://sothebys-md.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/8582008/2147483647/strip/tr… |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7b/Tripod_plate_from_Cholula%2… |
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[img] |
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https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-aeayxhbik4/images/stencil/1024x1024/products/24… |
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https://www.silvertq.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/PO1012C-copy.jpg |
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[img width=720 |
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height=1280] |
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https://i.etsystatic.com/32055796/r/il/fcb9d9/4215127756/il_1588xN.4215127756_t… |
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[img width=1280 |
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height=854] |
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https://www.vintagestuffstore.com/assets/images/IMGP1256%202.jpg[/img] |
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And even in polychrome works, emphasis on unfilled space |
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remains: |
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[img] |
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https://www.asianart.com/phpforum/pictures/41418_2010_0203brushpots0009.JPG[/im… |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Chinese_-_Dish_with_F… |
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[img] |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6f/Dish_with_hollyhock_d… |
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https://cdn2.picryl.com/photo/2016/06/16/small-bowl-with-thistle-design-lacma-m… |
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https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/6pQAAOSwSGRgjDWD/s-l500.jpg |
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[img width=1051 |
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height=1280] |
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https://art.thewalters.org/images/art/PS1_48.1301_VwC_DD_T12.jpg[/img] |
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[img] |
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https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0571/3405/products/C0102-1_1f1f90e8-6a21-4273… |
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https://assets.isu.pub/document-structure/220719200051-cbe773e18bedb8410514d121… |
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https://assets.isu.pub/document-structure/220719200051-cbe773e18bedb8410514d121… |
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https://assets.isu.pub/document-structure/220719200051-cbe773e18bedb8410514d121… |
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https://www.medicinemangallery.com/media/catalog/product/cache/95cdaf4b2e6448d4… |
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(And these, though far superior to the Western ****, would |
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likely have been considered tacky back in their own time. |
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Examples of timelessly superior pottery will be subsequently |
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provided in a separate post.) |
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I would like to note that pre-industrial American crocks (which |
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unfortunately fell out of fashion after industrialization) |
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contrast strongly with colonial-era Western styles and could |
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even be argued to be a fresh iteration of indigenous New World |
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styles: |
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https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ee/d2/67/eed267d75b3b27f6b4b8e3c6b8c8b4b4.jpg |
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https://image.invaluable.com/housePhotos/SouthBay/54/636254/H2373-L159038754.jpg |
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This is what Americans need to get back to considering superior |
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to anything produced by the post-Renaissance Western colonial |
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powers. |
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Re: The superiority of pre-colonial aesthetics |
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By: HikariDude Date: March 26, 2023, 11:20 pm |
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"simple shapes and monochrome decoration" |
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I mentioned in a previous post about how NS Uniforms and Spears |
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and Timberlake's denim outfit, though not as simple in shape, |
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were "monotone" (now calling it monochrome) in color. Maybe if |
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you'd like, I would love to see some historically monochrome |
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outfits compared to today's "monochrome" outfits where most of |
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the time, the color is just western dress codes with neon colors |
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that look rather less monochrome in some areas (though still |
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superior than something varied in color like circus or carnival |
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dress). |
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"And even in polychrome works, emphasis on unfilled space |
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remains:" |
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The colors in the polychrome works weren't that emphasized or |
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different from each other. |
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"pre-industrial American crocks" |
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Those you posted don't look too different from the non-western |
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pottery. I theorized about some American cultural elements being |
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influenced from Chinese culture, like the fireworks, |
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thanksgiving (invented by Shennong as harvest thanksgiving), and |
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now the pottery, because I saw Chinese characters in some of the |
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pottery you included that resembled the American pottery. |
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Re: The superiority of pre-colonial aesthetics |
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By: 90sRetroFan Date: March 28, 2023, 12:37 am |
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OLD CONTENT contd. |
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As promised, now let us look at the high-quality pottery, which |
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involves even lighter decoration than the previous examples: |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Gr%C3%A8s_chinois_Gui… |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b4/Percival_David_Collec… |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/Vas._Song-_eller_Yuan… |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/92/MET_19_56_2_O.jpg/107… |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/99/MET_DP703022.jpg/1024… |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/af/MET_43477.jpg/922px-M… |
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https://live.staticflickr.com/8617/16407167911_6f45d749fc_b.jpg |
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[img] |
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height=1280] |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9b/Hon%27ami_Koetsu_Fuji… |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Japanese_-_Tea_Ceremo… |
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https://cdn2.picryl.com/photo/2021/02/25/eiraku-wazen-sake-bottle-walters-49231… |
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A particularly non-Western decorative approach is to |
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deliberately accentuate the microscopic irregularities of the |
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vessel itself, such as by getting the glaze to crack during |
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firing: |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/21/425203204_640068f512_o.jpg |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/63/Percival_David_Collec… |
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https://cdn.kastatic.org/ka-perseus-images/61a3da032af4ca0611737bdfd5c35a644a07… |
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https://p5.storage.canalblog.com/59/37/119589/106571054_o.jpg |
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[img width=1280 |
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height=1224] |
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https://image.invaluable.com/housePhotos/eldreds/37/651237/H0011-L179456299_ori… |
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https://p1.liveauctioneers.com/188/277488/146207479_1_x.jpg?quality=80&version=… |
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https://images.aspireauctions.com/auctions/2018APR/large/97844-01.jpg?107147841… |
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https://i.etsystatic.com/21387540/r/il/4eebdf/4135562826/il_340x270.4135562826_… |
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Looking back to the Western examples, I immediately had |
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flashbacks to my childhood when I would gag when looking at such |
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pottery |
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At least we can laugh at Duchesne for not gagging..... |
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And this is just pottery. Wait until we move on to other stuff. |
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I plan to do landscaping next. (By the way, you can post stuff |
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too, you know?) |
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#Post#: 18662-------------------------------------------------- |
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Re: The superiority of pre-colonial aesthetics |
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By: 90sRetroFan Date: March 29, 2023, 10:25 pm |
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OLD CONTENT contd. |
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To continue a theme also briefly touched upon here: |
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https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/decolonized-housing-(america-edition)/… |
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in contrast to Western hubrisgardens which emphasize obsessive |
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control: |
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https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-ug… |
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let's look at pre-colonial non-Western gardens where the |
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irregularity of the growing elements is welcomed as |
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complementary to the regularity of a non-growing frame: |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/58/Menara_Gardens_%28235… |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Menara_Bassin_and_Gar… |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5f/MarrakechMenaraReserv… |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8d/Menara_pabell%C3%B3n.… |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/60/Menara_pabell%C3%B3n.… |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0d/%D8%B4%D8%AC%D8%B2%D8… |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2b/Menara_Garden_%28Marr… |
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[img] |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/94/Shalimar_Bagh_2008.JPG[/img] |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b7/Shalimar_Bagh_Srinaga… |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fd/Shalimar_gardens.jpg |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6a/ShalimarGarden.jpg/12… |
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[img width=1280 |
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height=853] |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/18/Unnamed2_-_panoramio_%28392… |
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[img width=1280 |
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height=719] |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/ff/Front_Wah_Gardens.jpg[/img] |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/View_of_hill_from_Wah… |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/Pond_in_Wah_Mughal_Ga… |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/60/Sitting_place_for_kin… |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9c/Fountain_water_runnin… |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Cells_in_Wah_Mughal_G… |
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[img] |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/34/Mughalgarden-Wah.JPG/… |
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or where even the non-growing elements are arranged irregularly |
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(such that the only regularity is that of individual |
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structures): |
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[img] |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/Sri_Lanka-Sigiriya-Lu… |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/87/Sigiriya-palau_inferi… |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ce/Sigiriya_0133.jpg/128… |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f1/Sigiriya_0193.jpg/128… |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bb/Sigiriya_0200.jpg/128… |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/21/Sigiriya%2C_Sri_Lanka… |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/80/Stone_stairs_at_Sigir… |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Approach_to_the_Du_Fu… |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f1/Caotang_Catering_Yule… |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Du_Fu_Thatched_Cottag… |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/91/Caotang_Catering_Yule… |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/Du_Fu_Thatched_Cottag… |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8e/Du_Fu_Thatched_Cottag… |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/46/Du_Fu_Thatched_Cottag… |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b0/Gardens_-_Du_Fu_Thatc… |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/da/Du_Fu_Thatched_Cottag… |
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#Post#: 18673-------------------------------------------------- |
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Re: The superiority of pre-colonial aesthetics |
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By: 90sRetroFan Date: March 30, 2023, 7:50 pm |
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OLD CONTENT contd. |
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Supplementing the above post, it is worth pointing out that the |
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(anti-Western) Romantic movement was inspired by non-Western |
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landscaping: |
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_landscape_garden#The_Anglo-Chinese |
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_garden |
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[quote]The Far East inspired the origins of the English Garden |
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via Holland. In 1685, the English diplomat in The Hague and |
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writer Sir William Temple wrote an essay Upon the garden of |
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Epicurus (published in 1690), which contrasted European theories |
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of symmetrical gardens with asymmetrical compositions from |
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China, for which he introduced the Japanese term |
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sharawadgi.[19][20][21] Temple had never visited the Far East, |
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but he was in contact with the Dutch and their discourse on |
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irregularity in design, had spoken to a merchant who had been in |
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the Far East for a long time, and read the works of European |
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travellers there. He noted that Chinese gardens avoided formal |
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rows of trees and flower beds, and instead placed trees, plants, |
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and other garden features in irregular ways to strike the eye |
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and create beautiful compositions, with an understatement |
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criticizing the formal compositions of the gardens at the Palace |
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of Versailles of Louis XIV of France.[22][/quote] |
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_landscape_garden#The_Chinese_influe |
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nce_on_the_French_landscape_garden |
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[quote]In 1743, Father Attiret, a French Jesuit priest and |
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painter in service to the Emperor of China, wrote a series of |
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letters describing the Chinese gardens he had seen. In |
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particular he described the Emperor's summer residence, Yuanming |
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Yuan near Beijing: |
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A beautiful disorder reigns almost everywhere. An anti-symmetry. |
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Everything works on this principle: it is a pastoral and natural |
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countryside that one wants to represent: a solitude and not a |
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well-ordered palace following all the rules of symmetry and |
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proportions.[7][/quote] |
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When this non-Western idea was applied to landscaping in |
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Britain/France/etc., immediate improvement resulted |
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(notwithstanding the continued use of lawns.....): |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/de/Stowe_Rotunda.jpg |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b8/Stourhead_Pantheon.jp… |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8f/Munich%2C_2013_%28103… |
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[img] |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/66/Erm11.JPG/1024px-Erm1… |
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Note in particular the use of irregular blocks in the last |
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picture. This could be viewed as the beginning of a return to a |
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pre-Western style (Aristotle himself agrees with me on this): |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/65/Encyclopedia_of_antiq… |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclopean_masonry |
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[quote]The term comes from the belief of classical Greeks that |
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only the mythical Cyclopes had the strength to move the enormous |
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boulders that made up the walls of Mycenae and Tiryns. Pliny's |
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Natural History reported the tradition attributed to Aristotle, |
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that the Cyclopes were the inventors of masonry towers, giving |
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rise to the designation "Cyclopean".[3][/quote] |
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By the way: |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclopes#Kinds |
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[quote]According to a version of the story in the Iliad scholia |
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(found nowhere else), when Zeus swallowed Metis, she was |
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pregnant with Athena by the Cyclops Brontes.[29][/quote] |
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Related: |
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https://trueleft.createaforum.com/mythical-world/aryan-fortifications/ |
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#Post#: 18682-------------------------------------------------- |
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Re: The superiority of pre-colonial aesthetics |
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By: 90sRetroFan Date: March 31, 2023, 8:42 pm |
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OLD CONTENT contd. |
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Responding to our enemies: |
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vdare.com/articles/patrick-j-buchanan-must-the-west-beg-the-worl |
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d-for-forgiveness |
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[quote]Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador has written Pope Francis I |
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and King Felipe VI to demand their apologies for the Spanish |
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conquest of Mexico that began 500 years ago with the "invasion" |
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of Hernando Cortez. |
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... |
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Now no one denies that great sins and crimes were committed in |
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that conquest. But are not the Mexican people, 130 million of |
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them, far better off because the Spanish came and overthrew the |
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Aztec Empire?[/quote] |
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Let's see: |
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news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/1809705.stm |
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[quote]Some 500 years ago when the conquistadores fist laid |
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their eyes on what was then the Aztec capital of Tenochtitlan, |
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they saw an island city connected to the mainland by a series of |
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causeways, a majestic site of floating islands for cultivating |
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crops. |
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Chroniclers at the time called it an "enchanted vision". |
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Not so now. The lake has disappeared and in its place lies a |
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sprawling conurbation of 25 million people. |
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From the mountain vantage point, the city is shrouded in what |
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looks like low-lying cloud. Skyscrapers poke out above the dense |
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and deadly smog caused by cold air sinking down into the city |
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trapping pollution beneath it. |
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"Your eyes smart, your throat stings, you're breathless after |
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just a few steps," |
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... |
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One-year-old Elva is sitting on her mother's lap with her eyes |
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streaming. Doctors are trying to fit a oxygen mask over tiny |
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face. Elva is one of the hundreds of thousands of children who |
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suffer from chronic asthma across the city.[/quote] |
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(Further information: |
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blog.nus.edu.sg/kylie/2015/03/23/smog-in-our-brains-effects-of-m |
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exicos-air-pollution/ |
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) |
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Does it look like they are "far better off", you fucktard? |
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[quote]Did not 300 years of Spanish rule and replacement of |
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Mexico's pagan cults with the Catholic faith lead to enormous |
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advances for its civilization[/quote] |
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Before the conquistadors: |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a1/Painting_of_Tenochtit… |
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[img] |
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYMndYoUMAAoWPo?format=jpg&name=medium[/img] |
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https://images.immediate.co.uk/production/volatile/sites/20/2018/09/Tenochtitla… |
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https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/stunning-view-teotihuacan-pyramids-avenue-dead-… |
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After the conquistadors: |
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https://cdn.getyourguide.com/img/tour/621df0d702c02.jpeg/145.jpg |
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[img width=1280 |
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height=870] |
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https://i.natgeofe.com/n/6c02ad5a-977b-4f12-b9c0-02ffb0736e07/metropolitan-cath… |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cc/Catedral_zacatecas.jpg |
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https://live.staticflickr.com/563/32588771216_1e5461cb77_b.jpg |
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You tell me! |
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[quote]Which leads to another question: Are all civilizations |
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and cultures equal, or are some more equal than others? Are some |
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superior?[/quote] |
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They are not equal. Western civilization is uniquely inferior by |
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such a vast margin that to even need to ask the question is an |
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insult to my intelligence. |
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[quote]Have the Western peoples who conquered and changed much |
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of the world been, on balance, a blessing to mankind or a |
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curse[/quote] |
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A curse, not only to mankind but to all sentient beings. |
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[quote]Is the history of the West, though replete with the |
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failings of all civilizations, not unique in the greatness of |
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what it produced?[/quote] |
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Unique indeed in the scale of its violence, and in its hubris. |
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[quote]Or are the West's crimes of imperialism, colonialism, |
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genocide, racism, slavery and maltreatment of minorities of |
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color so sweeping, hateful and shameful they cancel out the good |
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done[/quote] |
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What good done?! |
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[quote]Is the white race, as Susan Sontag wrote, "the cancer of |
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human history"?[/quote] |
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Worse than cancer (which, by the way, is also largely a product |
|
of Western civilization). At least Mexicans don't need to be |
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taught not to deliberately get cancer the way they need to be |
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taught not to deliberately get "whiteness": |
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https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/reproductive-decolonization/msg2343/#m… |
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Continuing: |
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[quote]must-the-west-beg-the-world-for-forgiveness[/quote] |
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Even your literal Altar of Forgiveness looks like this FFS: |
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https://www.hisour.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Altar-of-Forgiveness-Mexico-C… |
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So no, we do not want you to beg for forgiveness. We just want |
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you to die ASAP. |
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