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	How the Extinction of Ice Age Mammals May Have Forced Us to Inve
	nt Civilization (?)
	By: guest5 Date: February 7, 2021, 4:54 pm
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	How the Extinction of Ice Age Mammals May Have Forced Us to
	Invent Civilization
	[img width=1280
	height=853]
	https://pocket-syndicated-images.s3.amazonaws.com/5ee8de1c77660.jpg[/img]
	[quote]Overhunting of megafauna such as mammoths might have
	caused us to take up farming, which ultimately brought about
	modern-looking communities.[/quote]
	[quote]Why did we take so long to invent civilization? Modern
	Homo sapiens first evolved roughly 250,000 to 350,000 years ago.
	But initial steps towards civilization � harvesting, then
	domestication of crop plants � began only around 10,000 years
	ago, with the first civilizations appearing 6,400 years ago. [
	See also:
	https://trueleft.createaforum.com/mythical-world/the-birth-of-civilisation-cult…
	/>]
	For 95 percent of our species� history, we didn�t farm, create
	large settlements or complex political hierarchies. We lived in
	small, nomadic bands, hunting and gathering. Then, something
	changed.
	We transitioned from hunter-gatherer life to plant harvesting,
	then cultivation and, finally, cities. Strikingly, this
	transition happened only after the ice age megafauna � mammoths,
	giant ground sloths, giant deer and horses � disappeared. The
	reasons humans began farming still remain unclear, [ See also:
	https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/misinformation-about-racial-o…
	/>] but the disappearance of the animals we depended on for food
	may have forced our culture to evolve.[/quote]
	[quote]Early humans were smart enough to farm. All groups of
	modern humans have similar levels of intelligence, suggesting
	our cognitive capabilities evolved before these populations
	separated around 300,000 years ago, then changed little
	afterwards. If our ancestors didn�t grow plants, it�s not that
	they weren�t clever enough. Something in the environment
	prevented them � or they simply didn�t need to. [/quote]
	[quote]This will to sacrifice, to devote personal labor and, if
	necessary, life itself to others, is most highly developed in
	the Aryan. The Aryan�s greatest power is not in his mental
	qualities necessarily, but in the extent of his readiness to
	devote all his abilities to the service of the community. In
	him, the instinct of self-preservation can reach its noblest
	form because he willingly subordinates his own ego for the
	prosperity of the community and is even willing to sacrifice his
	own life for it, if necessary.
	The reason for the Aryan�s constructive ability and especially
	his ability to create civilizations does not lie in his
	intellectual gifts. If he only had intellectual abilities, they
	might easily be destructive and he would never be able to
	organize and build. The essential character of the individual
	depends on his ability to forfeit his personal opinions and
	interests and to offer them instead for the service of the
	community. Only by serving his community and assuring its
	prosperity does he receive his own rewards. He no longer works
	only for himself, but takes his place within the structure of
	the community, not only for his own benefit, but for the benefit
	of all. The most wonderful demonstration of this spirit is
	through Work. He understands that his labor is not just for his
	livelihood, but his labor serves the interests of the community
	without conflicting with community�s interests. Otherwise, the
	goal of his work is only self-preservation without consideration
	for the welfare of the community. � Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf,
	pg. 196[/quote]
	[quote]This is usually how their development occurs: Often,
	amazingly small groups of Aryan tribes overpowered other peoples
	and caused the dormant intellectual and organizing powers of the
	conquered people to surface. These abilities were unexercised
	until the Aryans awoke these abilities in the lesser race. The
	benefits of the particular living conditions in the new
	territory, such as the fertility of the soil, climate, etc.,
	made it possible for them to accomplish this cultural
	reawakening by using the large number of available workers from
	the inferior race. Often in a few thousand or maybe just a few
	hundred years, they built up civilizations which originally
	displayed every inner mark of their founder�s character but were
	adapted to fit within the special qualities of the local area
	and the characteristics of the subjugated people. � Adolf
	Hitler, Mein Kampf, pg. 192[/quote]
	Continuing with the article:
	[quote]Global warming at the end of the last glacial period,
	11,700 years ago, probably made farming easier. Warmer
	temperatures, longer growing seasons, higher rainfall and
	long-term climate stability made more areas suitable for
	cultivation. But it�s unlikely farming had been impossible
	everywhere. And Earth saw many such warming events � 11,700,
	125,000, 200,000 and 325,000 years ago � but earlier warming
	events didn�t spur experiments in farming. Climate change can�t
	have been the only driver.[/quote]
	[quote]Human migration probably contributed as well. When our
	species expanded from southern Africa throughout the African
	continent, into Asia, Europe and then the Americas, we found new
	environments and new food plants. But people occupied these
	parts of the world long before farming began. Plant
	domestication lagged human migration by tens of
	millennia.[/quote]
	[quote]If opportunities to invent farming already existed, then
	the delayed invention of agriculture suggests our ancestors
	didn�t need, or want, to farm. [ See also: Aryan Diffusion and
	compare with Turanian Diffusion ][/quote]
	[quote]Agriculture has significant disadvantages compared to
	foraging. Farming takes more effort and offers less leisure time
	and an inferior diet. If hunters are hungry in the morning, they
	can have food on the fire at night. Farming requires hard work
	today to produce food months later � or not at all. It requires
	storage and management of temporary food surpluses to feed
	people year round.
	A hunter having a bad day can hunt again tomorrow or seek richer
	hunting grounds elsewhere, but farmers, tied to the land, are at
	the mercy of nature�s unpredictability. Rains arriving too soon
	or too late, droughts, frosts, blights or locusts can cause crop
	failure � and famine. [/quote]
	[quote]These abilities are the clearest in the race which has
	been, and is, the bearer of human cultural development: The
	Aryans. The moment Fate imposes special conditions on them,
	their inborn abilities surface at a quicker pace and their
	genius is shown through the physical result. The cultures they
	create are almost always determined by the soil, the climate,
	and the conquered people. The last of these elements is the most
	important. The more primitive and the greater the technical
	limitations of any acquired culture, the more effort will be
	required for the civilizing activity and therefore the more
	man-power will be needed. When the man-power is organized,
	concentrated, and applied, it can substitute for the power of
	mechanical machines. Without the availability of lower ranked
	men, the Aryan could never have taken the first step toward his
	later civilizing of those people. It is the same as if he had
	never tamed and used various domesticated animals to help build
	the foundation of civilization. Then he would have never arrived
	at a level of technical development which now is gradually
	permitting him to do without these very animals. The saying,
	�The Moor has finished his job, so let him now depart� (possibly
	a paraphrase from Shakespeare�s Othello, also attributed to the
	German poet Schiller) has an unfortunate meaning which is deeply
	true today. � Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, pg. 194[/quote]
	Back to the article:
	[quote]Agriculture has military disadvantages as well.
	Hunter-gatherers are mobile and can travel long distances to
	attack or retreat. Constant practice with spears and bows made
	them deadly fighters. Farmers are rooted to their fields, their
	schedules dictated by the seasons. They are predictable,
	stationary targets, whose food stockpiles tempt hungry
	outsiders.
	And having evolved to the lifestyle, humans may simply have
	loved being nomadic hunters. The Comanche Indians fought to the
	death to preserve their hunting lifestyle. The Kalahari Bushmen
	of southern Africa continue to resist being turned into farmers
	and herders. Strikingly, when Polynesian farmers encountered New
	Zealand�s abundant flightless birds, they largely abandoned
	agriculture, creating the Maori moa-hunter culture. [ See again:
	https://trueleft.createaforum.com/mythical-world/turanian-diffusion/<br
	/>] [/quote]
	Read the rest of the article here:
	https://getpocket.com/explore/item/how-the-extinction-of-ice-age-mammals-may-ha…
	#Post#: 9708--------------------------------------------------
	Re: Simple living movements
	By: Zea_mays Date: November 8, 2021, 3:29 pm
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	https://i.redd.it/gg8plv079ov71.png
	I think observing people's reactions to the sentiment in this
	image is a good way to gauge if they have gatherer blood memory
	or farming blood memory.
	My first thought was that the poster was nostalgic for a
	pre-industrial simple agrarian life, but many people in the
	comment section seem to be interpreting it as hunter-gatherer
	nostalgia (and multiple people even repeat the assertion of
	Jared Diamond (chosenite) that agriculture was "the worst
	mistake in history"...)
	https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/the-worst-mistake-in-the-history-…
	[quote][quote]Agriculture is where it all went wrong. We were
	better off as hunter/gatherers.[/quote]
	I feel like it wasn�t so much agriculture as it was the
	industrial revolution that lead us astray[/quote]
	https://old.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/qfs0u9/right/hi1r0lz/
	For some strange reason, many communist-influenced people (like
	those on the Reddit forum linked above) idealize hunter-gatherer
	society because they believe it was "economically egalitarian"
	compared to the subsequent stage of civilization in farming
	societies.
	Biologically, it's literally insane to think hunter-gatherers
	were somehow "egalitarian". The skeletons of Paleolithic
	hunter-gatherers are easily contrasted to later Neolithic
	individuals, because the hunter-gatherers had quite extreme
	sexual dimorphism. Sexual dimorphism is inequality literally
	written into our DNA and our bones. That's way more absolute,
	oppressive, and difficult to change than man-made economic
	systems which varied from culture to culture and time period to
	time period. (And, going on a tangent, I suspect that sexual
	dimorphism is why so many teenagers these days express gender
	dysphoria and call themselves "non-binary", since they developed
	a sense of personal "identity" prior to puberty and are
	psychologically unable to process the changes of their "new"
	dimorphic self and unable to transition into the social class of
	adulthood). Good luck abolishing the oppression of sexual
	dimorphism with a communist revolution. There was only one
	ideology which was actually capable of doing that!
	Also, this isn't even pointing out the fact that hunter-gatherer
	societies observed historically typically had very very strong
	gender roles assigned to labor and social status/customs!!!
	...So the communist assertion that hunter-gatherers are
	"economically egalitarian" isn't even accurate. The only thing
	stopping hunter-gatherer societies from reaching the same level
	of "class" stratification and material wealth accumulation as
	farming civilizations (and, later, industrialized civilizations)
	is that hunter-gatherer groups were much smaller. Even then,
	modern and historically-observed hunter-gatherer groups usually
	have an "elder" class, priest class, hereditary leadership in
	one or both of those, special status for 'elite' hunters or
	warriors, etc.
	#Post#: 9715--------------------------------------------------
	Re: How the Extinction of Ice Age Mammals May Have Forced Us to
	Invent Civilization (?)
	By: 90sRetroFan Date: November 9, 2021, 12:20 am
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	"many people in the comment section seem to be interpreting it
	as hunter-gatherer nostalgia"
	Yes, as if we didn't have enough problems with losing a large
	chunk of leftists to progressivism, among the remainder of
	regressives we lose another large chunk to these guys.
	While pro-hunting types are barbarians who should simply be
	executed, I would be willing to have a respectful conversation
	with those (vegans) who support a pure gathering lifestyle over
	a farming one. Some of them have genuinely good intentions, and
	dislike farming on serious ethical grounds (e.g. ploughing might
	kill worms etc.). In theory, we should be able to collaborate
	with these types by convincing them that they have more in
	common with us than with the pro-hunting types. But in practice
	they often have anarchist tendencies that both causes them to
	reject our strong statist position. Without state intervention,
	however, there will be no organized phasing out of modern
	complexity, so by not being anti-statists they will never see
	their ideals realized beyond the scale of intentional
	communities that will not affect the rest of the world's
	continuation towards ever-increasing complexity.
	"Biologically, it's literally insane to think hunter-gatherers
	were somehow "egalitarian". The skeletons of Paleolithic
	hunter-gatherers are easily contrasted to later Neolithic
	individuals, because the hunter-gatherers had quite extreme
	sexual dimorphism."
	Even more obviously, do non-cannibalistic hunters treat prey
	species as "equals" to their own?
	It is farming habitats that permits evolution away from
	tribalism. Contrast the attitude of the universalist
	farm-evolved chicken with that of the tribalist wild-evolved
	eagle:
	https://ng.opera.new
	s/ng/en/pets/da8548d583e3d5764107aea63139b2e9
	[quote]He took an eagles egg and placed it in the chickens next,
	he also too the hens egg and dropped it in the eagles nest
	...
	soon after the egg harshed the eagle immediately noticed the
	strange creature amongst them and could not forgive the farmer,
	she sidelined the hens chicks and will only give food to her
	biological chicks.
	The hen on the other hand took in the eagles chick and treat it
	as if it were her own, chickens have great maternal abilities
	and very good at raising babies.[/quote]
	https://w0.peakpx.com/wallpaper/662/883/HD-wallpaper-impartial-love-hay-chick-s…
	https://w0.peakpx.com/wallpaper/662/883/HD-wallpaper-impartial-love-hay-chick-s…
	(By the way, how Western civilization treats chickens is covered
	here:
	https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-susta…
	/>)
	But ultimately, there is no way round the need for us to debunk
	egalitarianism itself in order to turn leftist attention towards
	the far more meaningful ideal of universalism (which does not
	require belief in egalitarianism). As I have mentioned in the
	past, someone who must first believe two people are equal in
	order to treat them fairly is in effect admitting that if in
	fact they were not equal then they indeed have no reason to be
	treated fairly. Someone like that is not a universalist. But at
	present most people cannot tell the two apart.
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	Re: How the Extinction of Ice Age Mammals May Have Forced Us to
	Invent Civilization (?)
	By: guest55 Date: November 9, 2021, 5:37 pm
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	[quote]I think observing people's reactions to the sentiment in
	this image is a good way to gauge if they have gatherer blood
	memory or farming blood memory.[/quote]
	Not to detract from all the great points both of you made in the
	posts above but when I see the term "credit score" it always
	forces me to ask: "Who was it that handed the money power of
	king's and queen's over to handful of bankers?" "Who of us
	consented to bankers keeping score of our lives?"
	If I do not agree with the regime of a nation I can usually pack
	up and move to a nation that has a regime in power that I do
	agree with. But, I can never escape a bankers credit score can
	I, no matter where I move to? How then is the credit score that
	I did not consent to not tyranny?
	I suspect much of the Sinophobic sentiment in the West
	ultimately can be traced to financial and banking interests
	because these interests understand that if the world follows
	China's example many of them will be hanging at the gallows for
	their tyranny sooner than later! And, they absolutely deserve
	it!
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	Re: How the Extinction of Ice Age Mammals May Have Forced Us to
	Invent Civilization (?)
	By: Zea_mays Date: May 30, 2022, 12:09 am
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	Scholarship over the past few decades has become more aware that
	a large portion of modern/historic hunter-gatherers did more
	gathering than hunting.
	Apparently this was not always the case.
	[quote]So far, attempts to reconstruct the diet of stone-age
	humans were mostly based on comparisons to 20th century
	hunter-gatherer societies," explains Dr. Ben-Dor. "This
	comparison is futile, however, because two million years ago
	hunter-gatherer societies could hunt and consume elephants and
	other large animals -- while today's hunter gatherers do not
	have access to such bounty. The entire ecosystem has changed,
	and conditions cannot be compared. We decided to use other
	methods to reconstruct the diet of stone-age humans: to examine
	the memory preserved in our own bodies, our metabolism, genetics
	and physical build. Human behavior changes rapidly, but
	evolution is slow. The body remembers."
	In a process unprecedented in its extent, Dr. Ben-Dor and his
	colleagues collected about 25 lines of evidence from about 400
	scientific papers from different scientific disciplines, dealing
	with the focal question: Were stone-age humans specialized
	carnivores or were they generalist omnivores? Most evidence was
	found in research on current biology, namely genetics,
	metabolism, physiology and morphology.
	[...]
	Comparing humans to large social predators of today, all of whom
	hunt large animals and obtain more than 70% of their energy from
	animal sources, reinforced the conclusion that humans
	specialized in hunting large animals and were in fact
	hypercarnivores.
	[...]
	Evidence of genetic changes and the appearance of unique stone
	tools for processing plants led the researchers to conclude
	that, starting about 85,000 years ago in Africa, and about
	40,000 years ago in Europe and Asia, a gradual rise occurred in
	the consumption of plant foods as well as dietary diversity --
	in accordance with varying ecological conditions. This rise was
	accompanied by an increase in the local uniqueness of the stone
	tool culture, which is similar to the diversity of material
	cultures in 20th-century hunter-gatherer societies. In contrast,
	during the two million years when, according to the researchers,
	humans were apex predators, long periods of similarity and
	continuity were observed in stone tools, regardless of local
	ecological conditions.[/quote]
	https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/04/210405113606.htm
	Hunter-gatherer groups who had become adapted to gathering gave
	evolution a head-start prior to the invention of agriculture.
	So, it seems we can declare that individuals with
	"hypercarnivore" blood memory (e.g. Paleodiet advocates, etc.)
	are distinct from, and categorically inferior to,
	gatherer-centric hunter-gatherers. Indeed, it was from these
	gatherer-centric groups that agriculture first developed.
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	Re: How the Extinction of Ice Age Mammals May Have Forced Us to
	Invent Civilization (?)
	By: christianbethel Date: September 26, 2022, 7:21 pm
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	[quote]As I have mentioned in the past, someone who must first
	believe two people are equal in order to treat them fairly is in
	effect admitting that if in fact they were not equal then they
	indeed have no reason to be treated fairly. Someone like that is
	not a universalist. But at present most people cannot tell the
	two apart.[/quote]
	Are you saying only superior people deserve to be treated
	fairly?
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	Re: How the Extinction of Ice Age Mammals May Have Forced Us to
	Invent Civilization (?)
	By: 90sRetroFan Date: September 26, 2022, 7:56 pm
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	No. I am saying that egalitarianism is a poor approach to
	arguing in support of fairness.
	[quote]Someone like that is not a universalist.[/quote]
	I myself am a universalist.
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	Re: How the Extinction of Ice Age Mammals May Have Forced Us to
	Invent Civilization (?)
	By: christianbethel Date: September 28, 2022, 12:52 pm
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	How does a universalist argue in favor of fairness?
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	Re: How the Extinction of Ice Age Mammals May Have Forced Us to
	Invent Civilization (?)
	By: 90sRetroFan Date: September 28, 2022, 4:23 pm
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	As a necessary corollary of universalism. Ensuring fairness
	requires effort. If, in the interest of spending less effort, we
	are willing to overlook fairness for some, we are in effect
	treating those overlooked as part of the outgroup.
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	Re: How the Extinction of Ice Age Mammals May Have Forced Us to
	Invent Civilization (?)
	By: christianbethel Date: September 28, 2022, 6:43 pm
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	Would I be correct in saying fair treatment for a Westerner
	would be to inflict suffering/loss and fair treatment for a
	non-Westerner would be to render aid?
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