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Sodom and Gomorrah |
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By: SirGalahad Date: January 20, 2025, 9:03 pm |
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@90sRetroFan What do you think of the idea that Sodom and |
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Gomorrah wasn�t about homosexuality? It seems common among |
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left-leaning circles to interpret the story as being about r-pe |
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and inhospitality instead: |
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https://reformationproject.org/case/sodom-and-gomorrah/amp/ |
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https://www.petertatchellfoundation.org/does-sodom-gomorrah-condemn-homosexuali… |
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And I�ve found a few left-leaning Muslims making similar |
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arguments (since the story is also found in the current Quran), |
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with an additional argument relating to translation of the |
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Arabic word بل: |
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https://thefatalfeminist.com/2020/12/07/prophet-lut-a-s-and-bal-%D8%A8%D9%84-th… |
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https://thefatalfeminist.com/2018/05/12/same-sex-love/ |
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https://lampofislam.wordpress.com/category/same-sex-relationship/ |
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Sorry for bombarding you with this many links at once. I�m just |
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curious, because some of the arguments seem fairly convincing on |
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the surface, but your current position is to simply agree that |
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the story of Sodom and Gomorrah is homophobic, since we have no |
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allegiance to the Tanakh anyways |
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#Post#: 29219-------------------------------------------------- |
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Re: Sodom and Gomorrah |
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By: 90sRetroFan Date: January 20, 2025, 10:55 pm |
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"your current position is to simply agree that the story of |
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Sodom and Gomorrah is homophobic, since we have no allegiance to |
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the Tanakh anyways" |
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This is correct. I academically agree with the Judaic homophobes |
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who use it to justify homophobia. Certainly, there is still |
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plenty else in the Tanakh besides this story that is homophobic: |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_views_on_homosexuality#Homosexuality_in_th… |
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[quote]The Book of Leviticus refers to male homosexual sexual |
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practices twice (JPS translation): |
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.וְאֶת-זָכָ |
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;ר, |
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לֹא |
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תִשְׁכַּב |
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מִשְׁכְּב& |
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#1461;י |
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אִשָּׁה � |
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תּוֹעֵבָה |
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הִוא‎ |
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Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind; it is |
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detestable.[5] |
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.וְאִישׁ |
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אֲשֶׁר |
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יִשְׁכַּב |
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אֶת-זָכָר |
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מִשְׁכְּב& |
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#1461;י |
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אִשָּׁה � |
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תּוֹעֵבָה |
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עָשׂוּ |
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שְׁנֵיהֶם. |
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מוֹת |
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יוּמָתוּ; |
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דְּמֵיהֶם |
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בָּם‎ |
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And if a man lie with mankind, as with womankind, both of them |
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have committed a detestable act: They shall surely be put to |
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death; their blood shall be upon them.[6][/quote] |
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Therefore even removing the story would not vindicate the Tanakh |
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from the charge of homophobia. On the other hand, the part in |
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bold is precisely what happened in the story. |
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But let us consider the hypothesis you have presented. Your |
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claim is that the story is a condemnation of ****. But: |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodom_and_Gomorrah#Biblical_narrative |
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[quote]Lot welcomes them into his home, but all the men of the |
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town surround the house and demand that he surrender the |
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visitors that they may "know" them carnally.[citation needed] |
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Lot offers the mob his virgin daughters to "do to them as you |
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please", but they refuse and threaten to do worse to |
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Lot.[/quote] |
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Are you arguing that Lot's daughters volunteered? If so, why not |
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say that Lot's daughters offered themselves, but instead say |
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that Lot offered them? So if Lot offered them, would not this |
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imply that Lot has no problem with enabling **** (so long as it |
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is not the visitors who are the victims)? How then can the story |
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be a condemnation of ****, given that the visitors then saved |
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Lot? |
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[quote]The next morning, because Lot had lingered, the angels |
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take Lot, Lot's wife, and his two daughters by the hand and out |
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of the city, and tell him to flee to the hills and not look |
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back. |
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... |
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sulfur and fire on Sodom and Gomorrah and all the Plain, and all |
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the inhabitants of the cities, and what grew on the |
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ground[/quote] |
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If the story is a condemnation of ****, should not Lot, an |
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enabler of ****, have been hit by the sulphur and fire also? |
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Re: Sodom and Gomorrah |
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By: christianbethel Date: January 24, 2025, 3:14 pm |
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I also to remember his daughters intoxicating and r�ping him in |
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a cave and giving birth to the Moabites and Ammonites. |
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🤮🤢🤮🤢🤮🤢 |
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