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| #Post#: 25515-------------------------------------------------- | |
| Re: Mate choice copying | |
| By: 90sRetroFan Date: March 18, 2024, 1:32 pm | |
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| They see the meat-eaters not giving up meat but think it merely | |
| hasn't happened yet, but will surely happen at some later time. | |
| This is the typical progressive mindset: any imagined | |
| improvement not visibly forthcoming is assumed to be scheduled | |
| indeterminately further in the future. Progressives however do | |
| not make the same assumption with negative changes. If something | |
| bad is not currently happening, they do not assume that it will | |
| surely happen later, but instead assume it will never happen. | |
| This is a fundamental optimistic bias. | |
| To these progressive vegans, the aim is to create a vegan world, | |
| as opposed to (our aim of) trying to minimize the number of | |
| victims of initiated violence. As long as they get a vegan world | |
| eventually, they will consider it a success, whereas we will | |
| only remember the victims that we failed to protect. Also absent | |
| from their minds is the wish to punish the oppressors. In short, | |
| their veganism is not motivated by a sense of justice. | |
| For us, a vegan world is merely the cessation of additional | |
| initiated violence. Then comes the need for accountability for | |
| all the violence initiated prior to the vegan world. | |
| #Post#: 25520-------------------------------------------------- | |
| Re: Mate choice copying | |
| By: rp Date: March 18, 2024, 6:22 pm | |
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| "To these progressive vegans, the aim is to create a vegan | |
| world, as opposed to (our aim of) trying to minimize the number | |
| of victims of initiated violence." | |
| But there is an end goal (everyone becomes vegan), and the goal | |
| itself is noble (violence is no longer initiated against | |
| animals), so can we say that they are simply "progressive | |
| Aryanists" (for the lack of a better term)? We could simply show | |
| that the regressive mindset (preventing non vegans from | |
| reproducing) is a more effective way to achieve this end goal. | |
| Again, those who deny this even after being presented with the | |
| facts could be written off as unserious non-Aryans. | |
| "In short, their veganism is not motivated by a sense of | |
| justice." | |
| Well progressives in general are not motivated by a sense of | |
| justice. Hence why they oppose the death penalty.... | |
| #Post#: 25522-------------------------------------------------- | |
| Re: Mate choice copying | |
| By: 90sRetroFan Date: March 18, 2024, 8:00 pm | |
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| You are mixing everything up. Preventing non-vegans from | |
| reproducing is not necessarily regressive, nor was it even | |
| mentioned in my previous post, which was not about how to | |
| achieve the goal at all, but purely about motivation. | |
| What I am trying to get across is that progressive vegans do not | |
| really care about the victims. If they succeed in creating a | |
| vegan world, they will consider all the violence suffered by the | |
| past victims to have been "worth it". We would never think this. | |
| On the contrary we would only think how unfair it is that the | |
| animals born prior to the vegan world never got to live in the | |
| vegan world. This is the difference I am trying to emphasize. | |
| Please do not bring other points into the discussion until you | |
| understand this part. | |
| #Post#: 25524-------------------------------------------------- | |
| Re: Mate choice copying | |
| By: rp Date: March 19, 2024, 12:23 am | |
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| "If they succeed in creating a vegan world, they will consider | |
| all the violence suffered by the past victims to have been | |
| "worth it"." | |
| I think I kind of see what you are saying. Progressives | |
| demonstrate a fundamentally adulterated mindset. This is perhaps | |
| true of the girl as well, which is reflected in her adulterated | |
| face. But I still have a doubt: the goal is the same as ours | |
| (make the world vegan in order to end all initiated violence), | |
| so how can we say the motivation is different? Even if the | |
| progressive considers the deaths "worth it", by turning the | |
| world vegan, have they not prevented an (possibly infinite) | |
| amount of future deaths (sustainable evil), and have guaranteed | |
| the end of all violence against non humans? Is this not simply a | |
| consequentialist view on their part, rather than a lack of | |
| sympathy? | |
| . | |
| #Post#: 25526-------------------------------------------------- | |
| Re: Mate choice copying | |
| By: rp Date: March 19, 2024, 1:30 am | |
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| Also, even though I do not fully understand your point yet, I am | |
| bringing in this link (quora answers) because it was already | |
| requested earlier: | |
| https://www.quora.com/profile/Nimita-Deshpande/answers | |
| #Post#: 25529-------------------------------------------------- | |
| Re: Mate choice copying | |
| By: 90sRetroFan Date: March 19, 2024, 5:44 am | |
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| "Even if the progressive considers the deaths "worth it", by | |
| turning the world vegan, have they not prevented an (possibly | |
| infinite) amount of future deaths (sustainable evil), and have | |
| guaranteed the end of all violence against non humans?" | |
| No, because they ignore the cyclic potential: a world that can | |
| be turned from non-vegan to vegan can also be turned again from | |
| vegan to non-vegan. Under this model, a world that alternates | |
| between vegan phases and non-vegan phases has only reduced | |
| initiated violence by a fraction compared with a continuously | |
| non-vegan world. | |
| "I am bringing in this link (quora answers)" | |
| [quote]Plants may be alive, but there is no scientific evidence | |
| that they are sentient or conscious.[/quote] | |
| Non-Aryan blood memory detected. We would never claim plants are | |
| not sentient. | |
| [quote]There is nothing �natural� about the various ways that | |
| the meat, dairy, and egg industries kill animals for our food. | |
| If humans were natural carnivores, we wouldn't require animals | |
| to be massacred for us in gas chambers or slaughterhouses. We | |
| could simply kill them with our bare hands, like wild carnivores | |
| do, and eat them without having their internal organs, blood, | |
| bones, ligaments, tendons, etc. removed for us | |
| beforehand.[/quote] | |
| Terrible argument. The truth is that human carnivores kill | |
| animals for food incomparably more efficiently than any | |
| non-human carnivore can kill their prey. Therefore, if anything, | |
| we should consider human carnivores to be the most natural | |
| carnivores. The meat, dairy and egg industries are eminently | |
| natural developments in that under natural selection they easily | |
| outcompete non-intensive production methods. | |
| [quote]whole-food[/quote] | |
| She brings this up with positive connotations over and over | |
| again. This could also be a subtle indication of non-Aryan blood | |
| memory. If I had to guess, I would say her blood memory is | |
| Paleolithic gatherer. | |
| #Post#: 25540-------------------------------------------------- | |
| Re: Mate choice copying | |
| By: rp Date: March 19, 2024, 7:45 pm | |
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| Before I respond, check this out: her sister is also a vegan. | |
| Not the most Aryan looking girl by any means, but way less | |
| cartoonishly subhuman looking: | |
| https://www.facebook.com/share/UYJmEqZR6EaGPXeo/?mibextid=qi2Omg | |
| Judging from her posts, the sister is also not a reproductive | |
| Eurocentrist (not sure about her previous sexual history | |
| though). | |
| #Post#: 25541-------------------------------------------------- | |
| Re: Mate choice copying | |
| By: 90sRetroFan Date: March 19, 2024, 8:21 pm | |
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| "Judging from her posts, the sister is also not a reproductive | |
| Eurocentrist" | |
| But when it comes to architecture: | |
| [quote]pastel 'palaces' in prague | |
| � in Prague, Czech Republic. | |
| [img] | |
| https://scontent.fhkg3-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/37404768_316936025514074_270… | |
| [quote]is there anything more beautiful than budapest? I think | |
| not. | |
| � in Budapest, Hungary | |
| [img] | |
| https://scontent.fhkg3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/37349360_314563139084696_100… | |
| #Post#: 25542-------------------------------------------------- | |
| Re: Mate choice copying | |
| By: rp Date: March 19, 2024, 8:28 pm | |
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| Touring "Europe" is now a fad/trend among "non-White" college | |
| age wahmen. | |
| #Post#: 25543-------------------------------------------------- | |
| Re: Mate choice copying | |
| By: rp Date: March 19, 2024, 8:44 pm | |
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| Ok. Just listened to a YouTube podcast linked from the Facebook | |
| page, and goddamn, physiognomy doesn't lie. It was the older | |
| sister who first converted to veganism, while the younger one | |
| was hesitant. To be fair, the younger one was most likely | |
| already vegetarian, but what's to say that wasn't simply due to | |
| cultural upbringing as well, and that she would have not been so | |
| if raised differently? I have known many vegetarians who I know | |
| for sure were secretly craving meat, even if they had not been | |
| fed it by their fathers. This is because I have seen them eat | |
| things like "fake Turkey" for Thanksgiving dinner. They also had | |
| mothers who themselves had fathers who were meat eaters. | |
| Also, regarding the girl, hope her sister gets divorced or | |
| something ngl. Wish I could have met her beforehand. Not many | |
| girls with such strong convictions these days... | |
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