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| #Post#: 245-------------------------------------------------- | |
| There is (A) sin that leads to death | |
| By: alphaomega Date: March 6, 2013, 3:20 pm | |
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| 1 John 5 | |
| English Standard Version (ESV) | |
| 16 If anyone sees his brother committing a sin not leading to | |
| death, he shall ask, and (Z)God[a] will give him life�to those | |
| who commit sins that do not lead to death. (AA)There is sin that | |
| leads to death; (AB)I do not say that one should pray for that. | |
| 17 (AC)All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin that does not | |
| lead to death. | |
| BETTER QUESTIONS | |
| SELAH | |
| �a term of uncertain meaning found in the Hebrew text of the | |
| Psalms and Habakkuk carried over untranslated into some English | |
| versions | |
| BUT BETTER SAID -to ponder ; ( read and concider} think upon | |
| and I would say ..... work the problem ! | |
| so in the verse above ; let us ponder | |
| * read and concider; think ; work the problem ; and ask better | |
| questions | |
| ?--- John is speaking to who ? ( believers? ; non beleievers?; | |
| everyone?) | |
| ?---there is sin that doesn't lead to death? (explain?) | |
| ? --- there is a sin that leads to death ( one? many? for who is | |
| there only one?) | |
| ?--- what is the difference between these 2 types of sin(s) ? | |
| THOUGHTS ? ---COMMENTS?----- MORE QUESTIONS? | |
| Let us work the problem | |
| #Post#: 246-------------------------------------------------- | |
| Re: There is (A) sin that leads to death | |
| By: Edwin. Date: March 6, 2013, 4:25 pm | |
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| Thank you alphaomega for your topic, which beings to mind the | |
| following. | |
| There is only one un pardonable sin, and that is calling the | |
| Holy Spirit a liar when He convicts you of your sinful nature, | |
| and your desperate need for salvation. | |
| How did you become a believer in the first place?. Well you | |
| were convicted of your sin, and your need to be saved, and who | |
| do you think did that?, read, | |
| Jhn 16:8 "And when He has come, He will convict the world of | |
| sin, and of righteousness, and of judgement: | |
| Jhn 16:9 "of sin, because they do not believe in Me; | |
| Well did you accept His judgement or call Him a liar. Only those | |
| who refuse the Holy Spirits conviction, and call Him a liar, | |
| which is, "Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit", will remain | |
| unsaved, and un forgiven. | |
| #Post#: 248-------------------------------------------------- | |
| Re: There is (A) sin that leads to death | |
| By: alphaomega Date: March 6, 2013, 4:58 pm | |
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| [quote author=Edwin. link=topic=64.msg246#msg246 | |
| date=1362608706] | |
| Thank you alphaomega for your topic, which beings to mind the | |
| following. | |
| There is only one un pardonable sin, and that is calling the | |
| Holy Spirit a liar when He convicts you of your sinful nature, | |
| and your desperate need for salvation. | |
| How did you become a believer in the first place?. Well you | |
| were convicted of your sin, and your need to be saved, and who | |
| do you think did that?, read, | |
| Jhn 16:8 "And when He has come, He will convict the world of | |
| sin, and of righteousness, and of judgement: | |
| Jhn 16:9 "of sin, because they do not believe in Me; | |
| Well did you accept His judgement or call Him a liar. Only those | |
| who refuse the Holy Spirits conviction, and call Him a liar, | |
| which is, "Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit", will remain | |
| unsaved, and un forgiven. | |
| [/quote] | |
| wre most definatly on the same page here ; | |
| but we need also to answer "all" those question i posted as we | |
| dig even deeper | |
| let me make this like top gun | |
| your a great pilot ( your right) we will make you better ( this | |
| digging will reveil even more ) ;D | |
| #Post#: 249-------------------------------------------------- | |
| Re: There is (A) sin that leads to death | |
| By: alphaomega Date: March 6, 2013, 6:16 pm | |
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| THE WORM TURNS | |
| WARNING | |
| IF SEEING DEMONINATIONAL THOUGHTS MY BE WRONG HURTS YOU SO MUCH | |
| THAT SEEING THE DISSCUSIONS OF SUCH KEEPS YOU FROM SEEING THE | |
| TRUTH BEING SOUGHT HERE THEN PLEASE FOR THE SAKE OF YOUR | |
| FEELINGS SKIP THIS POST | |
| FROM A DIFFERENT FORUM | |
| NOTE "ADORIAN37GREY" IS MY BROTHER DENNIS | |
| HIS "A" INFRONT OF MY S/N IS HIS "CUTE" WAY OF SAYING | |
| ANTI ---PATRICK---LOL | |
| Quote: | |
| Originally Posted by adorian37grey | |
| of coarse; | |
| just like unpardonable leads to death ---right? | |
| i still don't get it | |
| TO YOU ; ( your opinion) | |
| is JOHN speaking of the unpardonable sin here ? | |
| Or is he speaking of some other sin(s) here ? | |
| IF (your opinion) is the second; what are those sins? | |
| TO WHICH THE RESPONCE WAS GIVEN | |
| I already explained what the term pardonable meant (i.e. | |
| pardonable even without the mystery of metanoia). Mortal sins, | |
| however require the mystery of metanoia (confession). | |
| What are those sins? As CC stated, the list that our Lord gave | |
| is a good start. St. Paul gets a little more specfic just in | |
| case we did not get it the first time: | |
| 1 Corinthians 6: | |
| 9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the | |
| kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither the sexually | |
| immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor | |
| sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor | |
| revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 | |
| And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were | |
| sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus | |
| and by the Spirit of our God. | |
| "unto death" indicates the second death--eternal existence | |
| without the Life of the Kingdom. | |
| So we also have Galatians 5: | |
| 19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, | |
| fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, | |
| hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish | |
| ambitions, schisms, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, | |
| drug abuse, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just | |
| as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such | |
| things will not inherit the kingdom of God. | |
| Is pretty clear cut. If you practice such things, you will not | |
| inherit the Kingdom of God and be outside of its Life. Such sins | |
| are unto death (existence without life). | |
| SO COMMENTS ON THIS IDEA???? | |
| ps---the topic was " Mortal Sin and Venial Sin" | |
| #Post#: 252-------------------------------------------------- | |
| Re: There is (A) sin that leads to death | |
| By: Raina Date: March 8, 2013, 11:08 am | |
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| [font=trebuchet ms]Gee, was that warning for me, Mr. Patrick? | |
| I'm sorry I "scolded" you for mention of denominations "over | |
| there", but . . . | |
| I just see little point to denominational arguments. Everyone, | |
| everywhere thinks they're "right." | |
| I think everyone is wrong. | |
| God is right. | |
| The "truth" is Jesus. | |
| Me? | |
| I need some peace. | |
| Just give me Jesus. | |
| Let me stick my toe in the waters, but drink deeply of Christ. | |
| I'm way too tired for debate. | |
| (And! She's in a bit of a snit, today, she warns. ;) ) | |
| But, I love ya, Patrick. You always make me laugh.[/font] | |
| http://media-cache-ec2.pinterest.com/192x/e7/73/b3/e773b396961717ae706f39a12a94… | |
| #Post#: 254-------------------------------------------------- | |
| Re: There is (A) sin that leads to death | |
| By: Raina Date: March 8, 2013, 12:47 pm | |
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| [font=trebuchet ms]Perhaps there is a clue in the last verses of | |
| 1 John 5?[/font] | |
| [quote][center][font=georgia]1 John 5:19-21 | |
| King James Version (KJV) | |
| 19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in | |
| wickedness. | |
| 20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an | |
| understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in | |
| him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true | |
| God, and eternal life. | |
| 21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. | |
| Amen.[/font][/center][/quote] | |
| #Post#: 255-------------------------------------------------- | |
| Re: There is (A) sin that leads to death | |
| By: Edwin. Date: March 8, 2013, 3:23 pm | |
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| Raina. | |
| Amen: Yes indeed, in fact we were in Him before the foundation | |
| of the world, | |
| Eph 1:4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the | |
| world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love | |
| Bless you my sister in the Lord. | |
| Edwin. | |
| #Post#: 256-------------------------------------------------- | |
| Re: There is (A) sin that leads to death | |
| By: alphaomega Date: March 8, 2013, 7:03 pm | |
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| [quote author=Raina link=topic=64.msg252#msg252 date=1362762536] | |
| [font=trebuchet ms]Gee, was that warning for me, Mr. Patrick? | |
| I'm sorry I "scolded" you for mention of denominations "over | |
| there", but . . . | |
| I just see little point to denominational arguments. Everyone, | |
| everywhere thinks they're "right." | |
| I think everyone is wrong. | |
| God is right. | |
| The "truth" is Jesus. | |
| Me? | |
| I need some peace. | |
| Just give me Jesus. | |
| Let me stick my toe in the waters, but drink deeply of Christ. | |
| I'm way too tired for debate. | |
| (And! She's in a bit of a snit, today, she warns. ;) ) | |
| But, I love ya, Patrick. You always make me laugh.[/font] | |
| http://media-cache-ec2.pinterest.com/192x/e7/73/b3/e773b396961717ae706f39a12a94… | |
| [/quote] | |
| NOT JUST FOR YOU ;D ( NOT SURE IT EVEN APPLIES TO YOU) | |
| this topic may not sit well for those who are not ready to | |
| explore what is being shown in these verses | |
| it is not (LOL) stick your toes in conversation | |
| THIS IS A FULL EMURSION BABY ;D | |
| #Post#: 257-------------------------------------------------- | |
| Re: There is (A) sin that leads to death | |
| By: Raina Date: March 8, 2013, 11:58 pm | |
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| [font=trebuchet ms]Hey, baby! You stole my picture. LOL Yes, | |
| full immersion!! | |
| Okay. | |
| Proceed . . . :D | |
| So, what do you think? Was that F. Lins?[/font] | |
| #Post#: 258-------------------------------------------------- | |
| Re: There is (A) sin that leads to death | |
| By: alphaomega Date: March 9, 2013, 12:22 pm | |
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| [quote author=Raina link=topic=64.msg257#msg257 date=1362808717] | |
| [font=trebuchet ms]Hey, baby! You stole my picture. LOL Yes, | |
| full immersion!! | |
| Okay. | |
| Proceed . . . :D | |
| So, what do you think? Was that F. Lins?[/font] | |
| [/quote] | |
| OK; SO AS I SEE THE PROBLEM BOTH HERE AND IN MANY OTHER CASES | |
| what makes seeing what the bible says harder than it has to be | |
| is ............... | |
| cleaning off that dirt that has been placed upon the candy | |
| this conversation was ataken from the topic Mortal Sin and | |
| Venial Sin | |
| which in itself is not scriptual but is an opinion of the | |
| scriptues as to their meaningings and then carried forwards | |
| * their is nothing wrong with the verse | |
| * everyone is untitled to give their opinion on the scriptures | |
| * but whatever the opinion is; the building it forward is not | |
| scriptual | |
| ------------------------ though it may or may not be right! or | |
| be partially right | |
| here we see this in the topic of mortal and venial sin | |
| this is not scripture ; | |
| this is not opinion on the scripture | |
| this is building upon the opinion of a scripture | |
| or the dirt ( the building on of) placed upon the candy ( the | |
| truth of the verse) | |
| it gets worse ...... | |
| when asked what these sins are ....... | |
| we get the responce | |
| IV. THE GRAVITY OF SIN: MORTAL AND VENIAL SIN | |
| 1854 Sins are rightly evaluated according to their gravity. The | |
| distinction between mortal and venial sin, already evident in | |
| Scripture,129 became part of the tradition of the Church. It is | |
| corroborated by human experience. | |
| ok ; what is this | |
| scripture ? opinion of scripture ? | |
| no ; this is building on to the scripture AS IF this which is | |
| being added on is in itself scripture | |
| AND IT IS NOT !!! | |
| SEEMS PETTY? | |
| augh nnot so ; for this is offical doctrine | |
| but let us let them play it out further | |
| when asked again (ok--what sins are you speaking of ) | |
| those which you are saying are mortal sins ---- those which you | |
| say lead to death | |
| I already explained what the term pardonable meant (i.e. | |
| pardonable even without the mystery of metanoia). Mortal sins, | |
| however require the mystery of metanoia (confession). | |
| What are those sins? As CC stated, the list that our Lord gave | |
| is a good start. St. Paul gets a little more specfic just in | |
| case we did not get it the first time: | |
| 1 Corinthians 6: | |
| 9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the | |
| kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither the sexually | |
| immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor | |
| sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor | |
| revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 | |
| And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were | |
| sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus | |
| and by the Spirit of our God. | |
| "unto death" indicates the second death--eternal existence | |
| without the Life of the Kingdom. | |
| So we also have Galatians 5: | |
| 19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, | |
| fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, | |
| hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish | |
| ambitions, schisms, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, | |
| drug abuse, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just | |
| as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such | |
| things will not inherit the kingdom of God. | |
| Is pretty clear cut. If you practice such things, you will not | |
| inherit the Kingdom of God and be outside of its Life. Such sins | |
| are unto death (existence without life). | |
| ok; let us play this out again to see where we are | |
| scripture used | |
| 1 Corinthians 6: | |
| 9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the | |
| kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither the sexually | |
| immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor | |
| sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor | |
| revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. | |
| [color=red]opinion stated [/color] | |
| the above are a list of mortal sins which lead to death and loss | |
| of the kingdom of God | |
| the (dirt) built upon opinion ; said as if it is scriptual | |
| this can only be forgiven if confessed to a priest | |
| ------------talk about self serving ; dirt and definiately not | |
| part of the candy ( the truth of the scripture ) | |
| looking back at the verse | |
| this is what they are telling you john said | |
| 1 John 5 | |
| English Standard Version (ESV) | |
| 16 If anyone sees his brother committing a sin not leading to | |
| death, | |
| * not sexual immoral | |
| * not idolaers | |
| * not adulterers | |
| * not homosexuals | |
| * not sodomites | |
| * not theives | |
| * not the covetous | |
| * not the drunkard | |
| * not the revilers | |
| * not the extortioniers | |
| * and the added in "drug users" | |
| DO NOT PRAY FOR THESE | |
| he shall ask, and (Z)God[a] will give him life�to those who | |
| commit sins that do not lead to death. | |
| (AA)There is sin that leads to death; (AB)I do not say that one | |
| should pray for that. | |
| SEE THE LIST ABOVE | |
| 17 (AC)All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin that does not | |
| lead to death. | |
| NOW; do you agree with the ('lol") offical church position? | |
| respond please | |
| after the responces i will move on to explaining the verse | |
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