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#Post#: 24172--------------------------------------------------
Sand tire ?
By: Lt500kid Date: August 9, 2013, 12:52 pm
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Assuming tire is same height and width does a 8" 9" or 10" wheel
change anything ?
#Post#: 24175--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sand tire ?
By: Motoman991 Date: August 9, 2013, 2:10 pm
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I know smaller diameter wheels allow for a little bit of a
smoother ride and better traction. The smaller wheel also
allows the tire to fold under when turning.
#Post#: 24218--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sand tire ?
By: WestTexasKing Date: August 10, 2013, 1:44 am
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There's a difference between high and low profile tires in the
sand.
Biggest difference...tire pressure.
Higher pressures allow you to have more control in the sand,
while lower pressures give you more traction.
A small wheel benefits more from low pressure because the
footprint spreads out more, and at the same time a higher
pressure will make the tire balloon and appear rounded at the
footprint...meaning it won't float well and has a tendency to
dig in deeper which can rob power.
A large wheel benefits from higher pressures because it allows
the tire to maintain a flatter shape and stiffer structure for
handling, while low pressures are very detrimental to the tire
since there's very little rubber between the ground and the
wheel.
If you drop pressure too much with a big wheel, the tire is more
likely to pop a bead and cause damage to the wheel...landing a
jump on a hard surface or hitting a big enough bump can deform
the wheel.
Likewise, a small wheel with low psi has more cushion and the
tire itself gives as opposed to translating that force to the
bead area, but at the same time it exposes more of the sidewall
to damage and can cause handling problems.
Your terrain and riding style determines what size wheel you
should use.
If you ride fast or race in the dunes, go with a big wheel and
higher psi.
If you hill shoot or jump in the dunes, or for all-around
performance, go with a small wheel...pressure is further
determined by how much air you get and how often...bigger jumps,
more psi, fewer jumps and cruising, less psi.
I've had both, and much prefer small wheels with big tires and
just enough pressure to manage some decent jumps without
ballooning the tires out.
Big wheels are great for high speed level sand, but they'll wear
you out in choppy sand for all those times you're not screaming
in top gear in smooth sand (shocks help, but don't fix the
problem).
Regardless, it's not always a matter of wheel size and psi,
sometimes it's a combination of those along with total weight,
construction of the tire, and numerous other factors that all go
into what type of setup is best tuned for you, the quad, and the
terrain you ride at.
Tuning all of these factors in is what makes the most enjoyable,
capable, or successful quad out there...you can have an awesome
quad and rider but lose the race because the wheel setup wasn't
right.
It's a lot of work, takes a lot of time and money to figure out
the perfect combo, but that's why people build quads...it's
their hobby.
#Post#: 24317--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sand tire ?
By: pcs Date: August 12, 2013, 3:28 am
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To better answer your question, what is your intended purpose
for your paddle use, that would make it easier to get input from
members who do similar riding.
#Post#: 24323--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sand tire ?
By: Lt500kid Date: August 12, 2013, 7:28 am
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I guess it would mainly be for launch in a drag race situation.
I have 8 paddle haulers on 8" rims ,9 paddle extremes on 10"
rims, and 8 paddle haulers on 10" rims. Was wondering which
would be the best to start with. For some reason I think the 9
paddle extremes would be best. But wasnt sure if the 8" wheel on
the hauler would be better even though it has one less paddle on
it.
#Post#: 24803--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sand tire ?
By: pcs Date: August 19, 2013, 1:38 am
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how long of a race and what type of sand? for a long up say
around >100m, 21'' 8 paddle on an 8" rim. the tire has more of a
balloon shape and will float better on loose sand and 8 paddles
from my experience with numerous hill shooter bikes will work
will for approx 55-70ish whp for that distance. for a short run
on more paddle will help with the launch and since the run is
short the extra paddles will not hold you back like they do on a
longer race. once the atv is rolling too many paddles will slow
you down. from practicing numerous time with launches and
watching personal videos i made the you have a large wheel and
lower profile tire the tire tends to sink in the sand on a hard
launch before it grabs vs a balloon tire that slowly crawls
before it grips. on hard packed sand you can get away a lower
profile tire and if its a short run, more paddle will get you
going sooner provide you can control your launch and not wheelie
over, a long swinger helps. the extreme has the same size paddle
as the standard hauler just a thicker base so they do not damage
as easily if you rider over hard packed dirt on the way to the
sand.
#Post#: 24813--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sand tire ?
By: Lt500kid Date: August 19, 2013, 7:42 am
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I ran the 9 paddle on my hybrid and the 8 paddle on my zilla.
The zilla seemed to have a better result because it let the tire
spin more and get my R's up!
#Post#: 24886--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sand tire ?
By: pcs Date: August 20, 2013, 2:15 am
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I run a 8 paddle on my ltr,hooks up well and im running a +
4swinger
#Post#: 24928--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sand tire ?
By: Lt500kid Date: August 20, 2013, 7:29 pm
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I'm running a + 4 on both as well I got the 9 paddles cheap
didn't need them bought for the price thought it would be better
but I think ill stick with the 8 paddles
#Post#: 24963--------------------------------------------------
Re: Sand tire ?
By: pcs Date: August 20, 2013, 10:14 pm
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think of it as a spare set or you can sell/trade for zilla parts
(Y)
here is my ltr kicking up sand going up a dune with some friends
http://youtu.be/w_qjMB_Tv4s
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