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| Re: The Anti-Democratic Elite Fix Was IN From The Very Start of | |
| the USA | |
| By: AGelbert Date: November 9, 2016, 1:41 pm | |
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| [quote author=Eddie link=topic=8128.msg115454#msg115454 | |
| date=1478694330] | |
| I figure the Donald's first executive order will be to legalize | |
| meth for the people who voted for him. | |
| [/quote] | |
| GOOD ONE! :emthup: | |
| His team might come up with a (electronic only - mailing stuff | |
| costs money, ya know) graphic sent to his base showing an equal | |
| sign between his loyal supporters and, uh, see, below: | |
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| #Post#: 5868-------------------------------------------------- | |
| Re: The Anti-Democratic Elite Fix Was IN From The Very Start of | |
| the USA | |
| By: AGelbert Date: November 9, 2016, 4:27 pm | |
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| [quote author=Golden Oxen link=topic=8301.msg115488#msg115488 | |
| date=1478722589] | |
| [quote author=agelbert link=topic=8301.msg115485#msg115485 | |
| date=1478721831] | |
| [quote author=Golden Oxen link=topic=8301.msg115481#msg115481 | |
| date=1478719716] | |
| [quote]If GO is happy about this (S)election, he will soon be | |
| very disappointed. [/quote] | |
| Your analysis of my feelings and future outlook of our situation | |
| are as accurate as your totally wrong analysis of the election | |
| Agelbert, which was presented with your usual manner of factual | |
| pseudo scientific BS material. | |
| One with half a brain would realize that a religious Gold Bug | |
| zealot and Lite Doomer are not the makeup of a happy camper. | |
| My only satisfaction comes from the end of the fucking Clintons. | |
| Don't come fucking on me again AG, my future responses will not | |
| be so kind nor generous in my understanding of your anger at | |
| being conned by the Leftist MSM and their total Bull Shit | |
| Propaganda that you swallowed hook line and sinker. | |
| Kindly vent your anger at them in the future, not me. | |
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| /> [/center] | |
| [/quote] | |
| My, my, what vitriol. All I said as that I believe you will | |
| sorely be disappointed. Please feel free to describe exactly | |
| what part of what I posted was "BS". I was disagreeing with you, | |
| not attacking you. I am not angry at you. If you are not happy | |
| about a Trump win, all you need to do is say so. There is no | |
| need for such overt hostility. | |
| I urge you to calm down. You are a good man that wants the best | |
| for the USA. So do I. Peace, brother. | |
| [/quote] | |
| Sorry Agelbert. This election has angered the geezer and made | |
| him very testy. | |
| Never have I witnessed so many mediocre evil people in a | |
| horrible never ending cacophony of lies and skullduggery. | |
| Realizing they are actually the countries leaders has made it | |
| all the worse for me. I feel as if I expired and am in Hell of | |
| late. | |
| A thousand apologies for misreading your posting. | |
| Will take your splendid advice and stop posting for a while | |
| until I recover my cool. | |
| Regards, GO | |
| [/quote] | |
| Thank you, sir. Times are hard and we are all distressed by the | |
| increasing number of cracks in the road of our lives when we are | |
| increasingly in need of less misfortunes. The picture below is | |
| a metaphor of this (S)election. | |
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| http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-07111… | |
| [/center] | |
| Personally, I am not so much angered by the (s)election results, | |
| as saddened by them. Besides the Trailer Trash Trump thing, | |
| we've got a Governor in Vermont now that is going to make life | |
| very difficult for wind and solar Renewable energy growth by | |
| vowing to VETO ANY RE subsidies while ADDING lots of Republican | |
| red tape baloney for RE project site approval and Organic | |
| agriculture while simultaneously working diligently to protect | |
| fossil fuel subsidies and other pollution product vested | |
| interests along with GMO crops and commercial pesticide use on | |
| Vermont farms. As if that wasn't enough grief, the white | |
| supremacists here are VERY happy with the new governor. | |
| Here's a map from 2015 showing the racist demographic in the | |
| USA. Compare it with the map of Trailer Trash Trump's wins. I | |
| may be wrong, but I thing that corroboration and causation are | |
| linked. | |
| The most racist areas in the United States | |
| http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/5/3/1381214/-The-most-racist-areas-in-the-Un… | |
| This lady, although she does not reference any map, sees the | |
| link too: | |
| White Supremacy wins�for now. | |
| By Denise Oliver Velez | |
| Wednesday Nov 09, 2016 � 3:40 AM EST | |
| 732 Comments | |
| [center]KKK cross burning (graphic at article link)[/center] | |
| [center]attribution: Confederate till Death - English Wikipedia | |
| [/center] | |
| Time to wake up, you white people of good faith. | |
| Look in the mirror. | |
| See Amerikkka for what it is without the gloss. | |
| See something black folks have been trying to tell you. | |
| It�s not �populism� or �economic anxiety.� | |
| Call it by name � White Supremacy. | |
| I thought the black and brown firewall, with a little help from | |
| our white friends would hold back the tide. | |
| I was wrong. My bad. | |
| Thanksgiving is coming. A time many of you gather with friends | |
| and family. | |
| Killing racism starts at home. | |
| Maybe it�s time for you to start speaking up and fighting back. | |
| Lord knows we black folks have been doin� it for centuries. | |
| My people survived slavery and Jim Crow. | |
| We�ll survive Donald Trump too � though I�m sure there will be | |
| deaths � there always are. | |
| America has a white supremacy problem. | |
| You are either part of the problem, or part of the solution. | |
| Choose. | |
| P.S. I ain�t leaving. The bones of my enslaved ancestors are | |
| buried here. They helped build this place with blood, sweat, | |
| tears, and laughter. I�ll fight on. In their name. | |
| http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/11/09/1594035/-White-Supremacy-wins-for-now | |
| I'm not leaving either. The only way I leave Vermont and my | |
| keyboard is feet first. Thanks again for your cordial apology | |
| and reply. | |
| God Bless you and yours. | |
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| #Post#: 6884-------------------------------------------------- | |
| Re: The Anti-Democratic Elite Fix Was IN From The Very Start of | |
| the USA | |
| By: AGelbert Date: April 16, 2017, 1:25 pm | |
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| The Founding Fathers of the USA did NOT believe in democracy. | |
| And the so-called "Representative Republic" they founded ONLY | |
| REPRESENTED LESS THAN 10% of the population. IOW, the UPPER | |
| CLASS was the only cohort being REPRESENTED. [img | |
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| http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-311013200859.png[/img] | |
| That is called an OLIGARCHY. | |
| And then it just got MORE oligarchical. | |
| http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-200714183337.bmp | |
| [quote][center] Alexander Hamilton QUOTES[/center] | |
| Real liberty is neither found in despotism or the extremes of | |
| democracy | |
| http://www.pic4ever.com/images/tissue.gif, | |
| but in | |
| moderate governments. [img | |
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| The voice of the people has been said to be the voice of God; | |
| and, however generally this maxim has been quoted and believed, | |
| it is not true to fact. The people are turbulent and changing, | |
| they seldom judge or determine right. | |
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| Power over a man's subsistence is power over his will. | |
| http://www.pic4ever.com/images/acigar.gif | |
| To all general purposes we [img | |
| width=50] | |
| http://www.smilies.4-user.de/include/Spiele/smilie_game_017.gif[/img]<br | |
| />have uniformly been one people, each individual citizen | |
| http://www.pic4ever.com/images/acigar.gif | |
| everywhere enjoying | |
| http://www.pic4ever.com/images/pirates5B15D_th.gif | |
| the same | |
| national rights, privileges, and protection. [img | |
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| http://www.pic4ever.com/images/ugly004.gif | |
| It's not tyranny we | |
| http://www.pic4ever.com/images/acigar.gif<br | |
| />desire; it's a just ;),[size=14pt] limited, federal governmen | |
| t. | |
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| Alexander Hamilton[/quote] | |
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| [quote] | |
| Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, | |
| and murders itself. | |
| http://www.pic4ever.com/images/shame.gifThere | |
| never was a | |
| democracy yet that did not commit suicide. | |
| http://www.pic4ever.com/images/tissue.gif | |
| John Adams[/quote] | |
| Agelbert NOTE: If you haven't figured it out the code language | |
| about the word "people" and the word "we", let me spell it out | |
| for you. The phrase "We the People" in the hallowed documents of | |
| the founding of the USA had NOTHING to do with the "PEOPLE" | |
| mentioned in the above quotes about democracy and it's allegedly | |
| self destructive "extremes". The word "WE" is defined as the | |
| CITIZENS, a tiny subset of the "people", NOT the "turbulent" | |
| subset of the "people". These fellows knew how to spin a yarn, | |
| didn't they? | |
| Also, the alleged "certain" cause of the "failing" of | |
| democracies is an interesting point of selective lack of | |
| knowledge among these Founding Fathers back then. | |
| The fact is that the common historical CAUSE of the downfall of | |
| any attempt by we-the-people on earth, in any country, to | |
| institute a democratic form of government back then, and to this | |
| day, is NOT what the Founding Fathers were crying crocodile | |
| tears about. THAT IS, democracies DON'T "commit suicide", unless | |
| you want to call it SUICIDE BY [s]oligarchy[/s] COP! [img | |
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| http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-241013183046.jpeg[/im… | |
| Consequently, there is only one thing to be said for much of the | |
| erudite, polished, stirring, colorful, heart string pulling, | |
| loyalty inducing, patriotic [s]oligarchy self serving[/s] prose | |
| by the Founding Fathers then, and most people that claim the USA | |
| is a government of the people, by the people, and for the people | |
| today (SEE BELOW). | |
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| #Post#: 7314-------------------------------------------------- | |
| Re: The Anti-Democratic Elite Fix Was IN From The Very Start of | |
| the USA | |
| By: AGelbert Date: June 11, 2017, 9:38 am | |
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| [center][img | |
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| [center][font=times new roman]Impeach the U.S. Constitution | |
| [/font][/center] | |
| Posted on Jun 10, 2017 | |
| By Paul Street | |
| I am always darkly amused when I hear one of my fellow Americans | |
| call for a return from our current �deep state� plutocracy and | |
| empire to the supposedly benevolent and democratic rules and | |
| values of the nation�s sacred founders and Constitution. | |
| Democracy was the last thing the nation�s founders wanted to see | |
| break out in the new republic. Drawn from the elite propertied | |
| segments in the new republic, most of the delegates to the 1787 | |
| Constitutional Convention shared their compatriot John Jay�s | |
| view that �Those who own the country ought to govern it.� | |
| As the celebrated U.S. historian Richard Hofstader noted in his | |
| classic 1948 text, �The American Political Tradition and the Men | |
| Who Made It�: �In their minds, liberty was linked not to | |
| democracy but to property.� Democracy was a dangerous concept to | |
| them, conferring �unchecked rule by the masses,� which was �sure | |
| to bring arbitrary redistribution of property, destroying the | |
| very essence of liberty.� | |
| Hofstader�s take on the founders was borne out in historian | |
| Jennifer Nedelsky�s comprehensively researched volume, �Private | |
| Property and the Limits of American Constitutionalism,� in 1990. | |
| For all but one of the U.S. Constitution�s framers (James | |
| Wilson), Nedelsky noted, protection of �property� (meaning the | |
| people who owned large amounts of it) was �the main object of | |
| government.� The non-affluent, non-propertied and slightly | |
| propertied popular majority was for the framers �a problem to be | |
| contained.� | |
| [center][img | |
| width=440] | |
| https://washingtonsblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/americansdon27ttrust.jpg[/i… | |
| Full EXCELLENT article: | |
| http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/impeach_the_us_constitution_20170610 | |
| Agelbert RANT: How did we get to this MESS? | |
| The Constitution and the attitude towards people and property | |
| that the founders learned from their European history is a good | |
| place to start. The Industrial Revolution and the fossil fuel | |
| empire accelerated the decay and degradation of the government | |
| and the environment. | |
| The Constitution is a pro-slavery document! | |
| Much has been written about the Revolution being, at it's core, | |
| an attempt to immunize the colonies from the "disturbing" (to | |
| Jefferson and friends) move in England at the time to outlaw | |
| slavery. But the industrial revolution and how the elite | |
| parasitic modus operandi called "capitalism" benefited massively | |
| from mass production is the main historical influence that led | |
| to our polluted world and pissant wage structure of today. | |
| It is said the word "saboteur" derives from the Netherlands in | |
| the 15th century when workers would throw their sabots (wooden | |
| shoes) into the wooden gears of the textile looms to break the | |
| cogs, fearing the automated machines would render the human | |
| workers obsolete. | |
| Notice how the word "saboteur" has a negative connotation. This | |
| shows who controls the historical narrative. I believe the Dutch | |
| laborers weren't just concerned about obsolescence; they were | |
| concerned about controlling how much they got paid for their | |
| labor. Mass production was the beginning of a massive | |
| concentration of wealth by greedy machinery owners that refused | |
| to pay equitable wages. | |
| This is what "Capitalism" is really all about. It is sold as | |
| free market this and that but, in practice, it is nothing but | |
| elite parasitism. When the English gentry wanted to corral the | |
| peasants into working in the factories, as well as use more of | |
| their land to raise sheep for fleece free from peasant | |
| interference, they came up with a pack of thinly justified | |
| herding mechanisms (Enclosure Laws) that stripped the peasants | |
| of their ability to live off the land. | |
| The peasants were not buying the con that working in a factory | |
| was a better deal than living off the land. They had to be | |
| forced. They were cognizant of the FACT that the factory owners | |
| were not going to pay decent wages or provide adequate working | |
| conditions. | |
| Today, all this disguised tyranny called capitalism is festooned | |
| with gobbledygook terms like competitive advantage and | |
| arbitrage, along with a plethora of terms from the masturbatory | |
| imaginations of bored economists, but it continues to be about | |
| elite parasitism. | |
| In the financial area the vampire proboscis is usury but that is | |
| not the whole story by a long shot. | |
| Patent law is another huge part of RHIP that was NOT put there | |
| to protect inventors UNLESS those inventors were from the upper | |
| class. The bottom line is the control of the populace for the | |
| power, profit and pleasure of the TPTB. | |
| Enclosure | |
| In English social and economic history, enclosure or | |
| inclosure[1] is the process which ends traditional rights such | |
| as mowing meadows for hay, or grazing livestock on common land | |
| formerly held in the open field system. Once enclosed, these | |
| uses of the land become restricted to the owner, and it ceases | |
| to be common land. In England and Wales the term is also used | |
| for the process that ended the ancient system of arable farming | |
| in open fields. | |
| Under enclosure, such land is fenced (enclosed) and deeded or | |
| entitled to one or more owners. The process of enclosure began | |
| to be a widespread feature of the English agricultural landscape | |
| during the 16th century. By the 19th century, unenclosed commons | |
| had become largely restricted to rough pasture in mountainous | |
| areas and to relatively small parts of the lowlands. | |
| The process of enclosure has sometimes been accompanied by | |
| force, resistance, and bloodshed, and remains among the most | |
| controversial areas of agricultural and economic history in | |
| England. Marxist and neo-Marxist historians argue that rich | |
| landowners used their control of state processes to appropriate | |
| public land for their private benefit. | |
| This created a landless working class that provided the labour | |
| required in the new industries developing in the north of | |
| England. For example: "In agriculture the years between 1760 and | |
| 1820 are the years of wholesale enclosure in which, in village | |
| after village, common rights are lost".[2] "Enclosure (when all | |
| the sophistications are allowed for) was a plain enough case of | |
| class robbery".[3][4] | |
| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enclosure | |
| The following video tells the real story of capitalism's birth | |
| and growth through the power the elite obtained in the | |
| industrial revolution, how the poor were demonzed as being | |
| "lazy" for attempting to avoid the horrors of factory work by | |
| staying on, and living off, the land. They had to be forced, | |
| along with their children, to do so. | |
| [center] | |
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0nM5DU4ADI&feature=player_embedded[/center] | |
| [move]Then things got worse when the USA got going with its | |
| fossil fuel based industrial Revolution.[/move] | |
| The mass production factories created a new type of slavery | |
| without the pejorative connotation of being race linked but it | |
| was still slavery. When enslaving African Americans was no | |
| longer cost effective due to farm machinery, new ways to enslave | |
| them, and the poor whites as well as any other ethnic poor, had | |
| to be invented. After all, the elite did not like one bit the | |
| idea that the increased efficiency of a laborer could provide | |
| that laborer with more free time and a better life. | |
| The 1% had conniption fits thinking about all those people out | |
| there having the time to sit, think and figure out how TBTB were | |
| gaming them. No, the elite developed a plan to "keep em' busy". | |
| The guilt trip sermons from pulpits all over America went out | |
| after the Civil War to demonize leisure and glorify "nose to the | |
| grindstone" work as being "God's Will". BALONEY! The elite's | |
| "work ethic" includes years of "sabbaticals", "learning | |
| experiences", "naval gazing" and "introspection" that translate | |
| to long stretches of time doing absolutely nothing productive. | |
| I think that's wonderful and should be available to all of us as | |
| a means to a healthier and happier mindset. That's why the elite | |
| do it. For them to then turn around and unleash their propaganda | |
| water carrying lackeys solemnly mouthing the "don't be lazy, | |
| work your fingers to the bone for us" baloney on the populace is | |
| the epitome of duplicity. | |
| Fossil fuel backed corporate tyranny has been going on for over | |
| a century and has its roots in the gilded age and fossil fuel | |
| FAKE cost effectiveness which enabled the oil corporations to | |
| concentrate wealth and steal our democracy from under us while | |
| offloading all the environmental costs on the people and the | |
| biosphere. | |
| Renewable energy sources are not new. They were crushed in the | |
| late 19th century through fossil fuel energy oligarch co-opting | |
| government subsidies for oil and coal and also through profits | |
| from slave wages for miners and many others while, all the | |
| while, the claim was made that fossil fuels were "cheaper". This | |
| article covers all this and more: | |
| Hope for a viable biosphere: Why fossil fuels were NEVER cheap | |
| or cost effective | |
| http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/2012/07/17/hope-for-a-viable-biosphere-of-re… | |
| In the article you will learn the REAL reason for Prohibition. | |
| Hint: it had NOTHING to do with people drinking booze and | |
| EVERYTHING to do with eliminating ethanol (ethyl alcohol) as a | |
| competitor for Rockefeller's gasoline fuel. | |
| It is no coincidence that, right after ethanol, a higher octane | |
| fuel than gasoline (115 vs 93-95), became illegal in the early | |
| 1920s, Rockefeller came out with the poisonous tetra-ethyl lead | |
| additive to raise the octane of gasoline to ethanol's level so | |
| gasoline could now be burned in high compression, more powerful | |
| engines. He destroyed the competition with Prohibition and added | |
| more poisons to our atmosphere to boot. | |
| Also you will read about how, before automobiles came out in the | |
| late 19th century, Rockefeller's refineries would flush gasoline | |
| (19 gallons are produced for every 42 gallons of crude oil | |
| refined) in the rivers at night because it was a waste product. | |
| Hope for a viable biosphere: Why fossil fuels were NEVER cheap | |
| or cost effective | |
| http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/2012/07/17/hope-for-a-viable-biosphere-of-re… | |
| I firmly believe that a corrupt hierarchy that gained enormous | |
| power during the gilded age by using the force multiplier of the | |
| industrial revolution to garner their wealth became so arrogant | |
| that they began to view absolutely all human activity as a | |
| commodity along with natural resources as well. | |
| This morally repugnant rationalization enabled them to justify | |
| their despotic practices because, with this "commoditization of | |
| everything" meme, they had divorced themselves from the | |
| responsibility for good stewardship of the earth and humane | |
| behavior to employees. | |
| Noblesse oblige, or whatever small amount of it remained when | |
| the industrial revolution began, died with the gilded age in a | |
| sea of greed. | |
| The power of the 1% has enabled them to defend the claim that | |
| energy, land and labor are not fictitious commodities even | |
| though they are fictitious. The 1% are controlling the narrative | |
| and they continue to shove it down our throat. The Federal | |
| Reserve and their banking friends couldn't run a lemonade stand | |
| successfully with their brand of economics policies, but there | |
| they are, claiming to be experts. It's Orwellian. | |
| Human nature is what it is, BUT, the industrial revolution | |
| allowed an oligarch to garner wealth for 10,000 while he had | |
| been previously limited to lording it over a handful of serfs | |
| and slaves while sparring with the other small time tyrants. | |
| The people that came to America from England were, according to | |
| what I have read, from different areas in the UK that predicated | |
| their behavior patterns before they stepped off the boat (four | |
| distinct areas I believe). Some argue the Cavaliers that went to | |
| run the Southern Plantations were the worst of the lot but they | |
| were ALL rapaciously willing to exploit the land and the "wrong" | |
| people without reflection. | |
| The US constitution is a rhetorical masterpiece because it | |
| applied to a VERY tiny group of the population. In practice, | |
| everyone but landed white men were excluded, while the "all men | |
| were created equal" rhetoric was "piously" positioned in the | |
| document. It was breathtaking in its hypocrisy. | |
| A free black, who built his own working clock out of hardwood | |
| parts, became an astronomer and computed the ephemeris used by | |
| mariners in the day. He wrote to Jefferson demanding that | |
| Jefferson stop insisting that blacks were mentally inferior to | |
| whites and offered to debate him and have a mathematical | |
| contest. Jefferson flat refused to even acknowledge him. | |
| Jefferson was a great writer but a ruthless opportunist, as were | |
| all the founding fathers. | |
| The constitution has never, even to this day, been applied | |
| across the land and I am fully aware of the Calvinist doctrine | |
| in the US after the civil war that maintained that "The people | |
| must be kept poor so they will remain obedient". | |
| If the industrial revolution had improved the lives of everyone | |
| across the board, as was promised, we would have a different | |
| world. But no, the people with access to capital deliberately | |
| made life worse for the poor and used divide and conquer tactics | |
| to create Jim Crow strife to sucker the poor whites into not | |
| looking at who was REALLY impoverishing them. | |
| All this is as old as human nature. For that reason I tend to | |
| look with a jaundiced eye at any claim to greatness or foresight | |
| by the founding fathers of the US Oligarchy with Representative | |
| Republic lipstick.. | |
| I continue to believe the force multiplier of the industrial | |
| revolution increased the power of these oligarchs and decreased, | |
| in an equal proportion, the small amount of democracy we had. | |
| I know how England and Europe operated even before the | |
| industrial revolution. They wanted everything not made in | |
| England (machinery and crafted goods) to have zero competition | |
| and everything coming from the colonies to be agrarian goods | |
| (commodities). The North and South had a different spin on how | |
| to make a buck but they were both equally complicit (at the | |
| elite level) in fostering tyranny for profit. | |
| I realize the main decision makers involve a smaller percentage | |
| than 1% and the 99% suffer from a serious infusion of fecal | |
| coliforms in their glial cells resulting in colonization of | |
| their amygdala and their prefrontal cortex. IOW they are being | |
| continuously brainwashed with bullshit so their base urges are | |
| amplified and their critical thinking skills destroyed. But | |
| nevertheless, I see more virtue and hope in the 99% than the | |
| soulless reptiles in the catbird seat. | |
| #Post#: 9809-------------------------------------------------- | |
| Re: The Anti-Democratic Elite Fix Was IN From The Very Start of | |
| the USA | |
| By: AGelbert Date: June 7, 2018, 1:07 pm | |
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| [center]The U.S. is Not a Democracy, It Never Was[/center] | |
| June 6, 2018 Posted by Addison dePitt | |
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| https://www.greanvillepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/UScapitol-Lincoln.jpg… | |
| HELP ENLIGHTEN YOUR FELLOWS. BE SURE TO PASS THIS ON. SURVIVAL | |
| DEPENDS ON IT. | |
| One of the most steadfast beliefs regarding the United States is | |
| that it is a democracy. Whenever this conviction waivers | |
| slightly, it is almost always to point out detrimental | |
| exceptions to core American values or foundational principles. | |
| For instance, aspiring critics frequently bemoan a �loss of | |
| democracy� due to the election of clownish autocrats, draconian | |
| measures on the part of the state, the revelation of | |
| extraordinary malfeasance or corruption, deadly foreign | |
| interventions, or other such activities that are considered | |
| undemocratic exceptions. The same is true for those whose | |
| critical framework consists in always juxtaposing the actions of | |
| the U.S. government to its founding principles, highlighting the | |
| contradiction between the two and clearly placing hope in its | |
| potential resolution. | |
| The problem, however, is that there is no contradiction or | |
| supposed loss of democracy because the United States simply | |
| never was one. This is a difficult reality for many people to | |
| confront, and they are likely more inclined to immediately | |
| dismiss such a claim as preposterous rather than take the time | |
| to scrutinize the material historical record in order to see for | |
| themselves. Such a dismissive reaction is due in large part to | |
| what is perhaps the most successful public relations campaign in | |
| modern history. What will be seen, however, if this record is | |
| soberly and methodically inspected, is that a country founded on | |
| elite, colonial rule based on the power of wealth�a plutocratic | |
| colonial oligarchy, in short�has succeeded not only in buying | |
| the label of �democracy� to market itself to the masses, but in | |
| having its citizenry, and many others, so socially and | |
| psychologically invested in its nationalist origin myth that | |
| they refuse to hear lucid and well-documented arguments to the | |
| contrary. | |
| To begin to peel the scales from our eyes, let us outline in the | |
| restricted space of this article, five patent reasons why the | |
| United States has never been a democracy (a more sustained and | |
| developed argument is available in my book, Counter-History of | |
| the Present). To begin with, British colonial expansion into the | |
| Americas did not occur in the name of the freedom and equality | |
| of the general population, or the conferral of power to the | |
| people. Those who settled on the shores of the �new world,� with | |
| few exceptions, did not respect the fact that it was a very old | |
| world indeed, and that a vast indigenous population had been | |
| living there for centuries. As soon as Columbus set foot, | |
| Europeans began robbing, enslaving and killing the native | |
| inhabitants. The trans-Atlantic slave trade commenced almost | |
| immediately thereafter, adding a countless number of Africans to | |
| the ongoing genocidal assault against the indigenous population. | |
| Moreover, it is estimated that over half of the colonists who | |
| came to North America from Europe during the colonial period | |
| were poor indentured servants, and women were generally trapped | |
| in roles of domestic servitude. Rather than the land of the free | |
| and equal, then, European colonial expansion to the Americas | |
| imposed a land of the colonizer and the colonized, the master | |
| and the slave, the rich and the poor, the free and the un-free. | |
| The former constituted, moreover, an infinitesimally small | |
| minority of the population, whereas the overwhelming majority, | |
| meaning �the people,� was subjected to death, slavery, | |
| servitude, and unremitting socio-economic oppression. | |
| [center] | |
| https://www.greanvillepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/US-capitol-founding-f… | |
| Founding Fathers: as plutocratic oligarchs, they harbored deep | |
| reservations if not outright hostility to the idea of genuine | |
| democratic rule.[/center] | |
| Second, when the elite colonial ruling class decided to sever | |
| ties from their homeland and establish an independent state for | |
| themselves, they did not found it as a democracy. On the | |
| contrary, they were fervently and explicitly opposed to | |
| democracy, like the vast majority of European Enlightenment | |
| thinkers. They understood it to be a dangerous and chaotic form | |
| of uneducated mob rule. For the so-called �founding fathers,� | |
| the masses were not only incapable of ruling, but they were | |
| considered a threat to the hierarchical social structures | |
| purportedly necessary for good governance. In the words of John | |
| Adams, to take but one telling example, if the majority were | |
| given real power, they would redistribute wealth and dissolve | |
| the �subordination� so necessary for politics. When the eminent | |
| members of the landowning class met in 1787 to draw up a | |
| constitution, they regularly insisted in their debates on the | |
| need to establish a republic that kept at bay vile democracy, | |
| which was judged worse than �the filth of the common sewers� by | |
| the pro-Federalist editor William Cobbett. The new constitution | |
| provided for popular elections only in the House of | |
| Representatives, but in most states the right to vote was based | |
| on being a property owner, and women, the indigenous and | |
| slaves�meaning the overwhelming majority of the population�were | |
| simply excluded from the franchise. Senators were elected by | |
| state legislators, the President by electors chosen by the state | |
| legislators, and the Supreme Court was appointed by the | |
| President. It is in this context that Patrick Henry flatly | |
| proclaimed the most lucid of judgments: �it is not a democracy.� | |
| George Mason further clarified the situation by describing the | |
| newly independent country as �a despotic aristocracy.� | |
| [center] | |
| https://www.greanvillepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Obama_Profile_in_Cour… | |
| Ruling class collaborator Obama: a master public relations | |
| stroke�pure symbol and no substance� when the oppressors needed | |
| to recharge their legitimacy.[/center] | |
| When the American republic slowly came to be relabeled as a | |
| �democracy,� there were no significant institutional | |
| modifications to justify the change in name. In other words, and | |
| this is the third point, the use of the term �democracy� to | |
| refer to an oligarchic republic simply meant that a different | |
| word was being used to describe the same basic phenomenon. This | |
| began around the time of �Indian killer� Andrew Jackson�s | |
| presidential campaign in the 1830s. Presenting himself as a | |
| �democrat,� he put forth an image of himself as an average man | |
| of the people who was going to put a halt to the long reign of | |
| patricians from Virginia and Massachusetts. Slowly but surely, | |
| the term �democracy� came to be used as a public relations term | |
| to re-brand a plutocratic oligarchy as an electoral regime that | |
| serves the interest of the people or demos. Meanwhile, the | |
| American holocaust continued unabated, along with chattel | |
| slavery, colonial expansion and top-down class warfare. | |
| In spite of certain minor changes over time, the U.S. republic | |
| has doggedly preserved its oligarchic structure, and this is | |
| readily apparent in the two major selling points of its | |
| contemporary �democratic� publicity campaign. The Establishment | |
| and its propagandists regularly insist that a structural | |
| aristocracy is a �democracy� because the latter is defined by | |
| the guarantee of certain fundamental rights (legal definition) | |
| and the holding of regular elections (procedural definition). | |
| This is, of course, a purely formal, abstract and largely | |
| negative understanding of democracy, which says nothing | |
| whatsoever about people having real, sustained power over the | |
| governing of their lives. However, even this hollow definition | |
| dissimulates the extent to which, to begin with, the supposed | |
| equality before the law in the United States presupposes an | |
| inequality before the law by excluding major sectors of the | |
| population: those judged not to have the right to rights, and | |
| those considered to have lost their right to rights (Native | |
| Americans, African-Americans and women for most of the country�s | |
| history, and still today in certain aspects, as well as | |
| immigrants, �criminals,� minors, the �clinically insane,� | |
| political dissidents, and so forth). Regarding elections, they | |
| are run in the United States as long, multi-million dollar | |
| advertising campaigns in which the candidates and issues are | |
| pre-selected by the corporate and party elite. The general | |
| population, the majority of whom do not have the right to vote | |
| or decide not to exercise it, are given the �choice��overseen by | |
| an undemocratic electoral college and embedded in a | |
| non-proportional representation scheme�regarding which member of | |
| the aristocratic elite they would like to have rule over and | |
| oppress them for the next four years. �Multivariate analysis | |
| indicates,� according to an important recent study by Martin | |
| Gilens and Benjamin I. Page, �that economic elites and organized | |
| groups representing business interests have substantial | |
| independent impacts on U.S. government policy, while average | |
| citizens and mass-based interest groups have little or no | |
| independent influence. The results provide substantial support | |
| for theories of Economic-Elite Domination [�], but not for | |
| theories of Majoritarian Electoral Democracy.� | |
| [center] | |
| https://www.greanvillepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/George-Washington-Mou… | |
| G. Washington overseeing slaves. A routine task of all white | |
| colonial masters.[/center] | |
| To take but a final example of the myriad ways in which the U.S. | |
| is not, and has never been, a democracy, it is worth | |
| highlighting its consistent assault on movements of people | |
| power. Since WWII, it has endeavored to overthrow some 50 | |
| foreign governments, most of which were democratically elected. | |
| It has also, according the meticulous calculations by William | |
| Blum in America�s Deadliest Export: Democracy, grossly | |
| interfered in the elections of at least 30 countries, attempted | |
| to assassinate more than 50 foreign leaders, dropped bombs on | |
| more than 30 countries, and attempted to suppress populist | |
| movements in 20 countries. The record on the home front is just | |
| as brutal. To take but one significant parallel example, there | |
| is ample evidence that the FBI has been invested in a covert war | |
| against democracy. Beginning at least in the 1960s, and likely | |
| continuing up to the present, the Bureau �extended its earlier | |
| clandestine operations against the Communist party, committing | |
| its resources to undermining the Puerto Rico independence | |
| movement, the Socialist Workers party, the civil rights | |
| movement, Black nationalist movements, the Ku Klux Klan, | |
| segments of the peace movement, the student movement, and the | |
| �New Left� in general� (Cointelpro: The FBI�s Secret War on | |
| Political Freedom, p. 22-23). Consider, for instance, Judi | |
| Bari�s summary of its assault on the Socialist Workers Party: | |
| �From 1943-63, the federal civil rights case Socialist Workers | |
| Party v. Attorney General documents decades of illegal FBI | |
| break-ins and 10 million pages of surveillance records. The FBI | |
| paid an estimated 1,600 informants $1,680,592 and used 20,000 | |
| days of wiretaps to undermine legitimate political organizing.� | |
| In the case of the Black Panther Party and the American Indian | |
| Movement (AIM)�which were both important attempts to mobilize | |
| people power to dismantle the structural oppression of white | |
| supremacy and top-down class warfare�the FBI not only | |
| infiltrated them and launched hideous smear and destabilization | |
| campaigns against them, but they assassinated 27 Black Panthers | |
| and 69 members of AIM (and subjected countless others to the | |
| slow death of incarceration). If it be abroad or on the home | |
| front, the American secret police has been extremely proactive | |
| in beating down the movements of people rising up, thereby | |
| protecting and preserving the main pillars of white supremacist, | |
| capitalist aristocracy. | |
| Elections are run in the United States as long, multi-million | |
| dollar advertising campaigns in which the candidates and issues | |
| are pre-selected by the corporate and party elite. The general | |
| population, many of whom do not have the right to vote or decide | |
| not to exercise it, are given the �choice��overseen by an | |
| undemocratic electoral college and embedded in a | |
| non-proportional representation scheme� | |
| Rather than blindly believing in a golden age of democracy in | |
| order to remain at all costs within the gilded cage of an | |
| ideology produced specifically for us by the well-paid | |
| spin-doctors of a plutocratic oligarchy, we should unlock the | |
| gates of history and meticulously scrutinize the founding and | |
| evolution of the American imperial republic. This will not only | |
| allow us to take leave of its jingoist and self-congratulatory | |
| origin myths, but it will also provide us with the opportunity | |
| to resuscitate and reactivate so much of what they have sought | |
| to obliterate. In particular, there is a radical America just | |
| below the surface of these nationalist narratives, an America in | |
| which the population autonomously organizes itself in indigenous | |
| and ecological activism, black radical resistance, | |
| anti-capitalist mobilization, anti-patriarchal struggles, and so | |
| forth. It is this America that the corporate republic has sought | |
| to eradicate, while simultaneously investing in an expansive | |
| public relations campaign to cover over its crimes with the fig | |
| leaf of �democracy� (which has sometimes required integrating a | |
| few token individuals, who appear to be from below, into the | |
| elite ruling class in order to perpetuate the all-powerful myth | |
| of meritocracy). If we are astute and perspicacious enough to | |
| recognize that the U.S. is undemocratic today, let us not be so | |
| indolent or ill-informed that we let ourselves be lulled to | |
| sleep by lullabies praising its halcyon past. Indeed, if the | |
| United States is not a democracy today, it is in large part due | |
| to the fact that it never was one. Far from being a pessimistic | |
| conclusion, however, it is precisely by cracking open the hard | |
| shell of ideological encasement that we can tap into the radical | |
| forces that have been suppressed by it. These forces�not those | |
| that have been deployed to destroy them�should be the ultimate | |
| source of our pride in the power of the people. | |
| ABOUT THE AUTHOR | |
| Gabriel Rockhill is a Franco-American philosopher and cultural | |
| critic. He is Associate Professor of Philosophy at Villanova | |
| University and founding Director of the Atelier de Th�orie | |
| Critique at the Sorbonne. His books include Counter-History of | |
| the Present: Untimely Interrogations into Globalization, | |
| Technology, Democracy (2017), Interventions in Contemporary | |
| Thought: History, Politics, Aesthetics (2016), Radical History & | |
| the Politics of Art (2014) and Logique de l�histoire (2010). In | |
| addition to his scholarly work, he has been actively engaged in | |
| extra-academic activities in the art and activist worlds, as | |
| well as a regular contributor to public intellectual debate. | |
| Follow on twitter: @GabrielRockhill | |
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| #Post#: 9810-------------------------------------------------- | |
| Re: The Anti-Democratic Elite Fix Was IN From The Very Start of | |
| the USA | |
| By: AGelbert Date: June 7, 2018, 1:39 pm | |
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| [center] [center][img | |
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| http://www.ncc-1776.org/tle-pics/Flag_of_the_United_States.png[/img][/center][/… | |
| [center]The U.S. is Not a Democracy, It Never Was | |
| https://www.greanvillepost.com/2018/06/06/the-u-s-is-not-a-democracy-it-never-w… | |
| /> | |
| [/center] | |
| Excellent article. Thank you, RE. [img | |
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| http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-141113185701.png[/img] | |
| And yes, of course the U.S. was never a democracy. If you have | |
| any doubts, just look at the ORIGINAL Constitution and, to add | |
| plutocratic insult to injury, all those "Amendments made along | |
| the Orwellian mindfork way. | |
| [center]The Constitution is a pro-slavery document[/center] | |
| Much has been written about the Revolution being, at it's core, | |
| an attempt to immunize the colonies from the "disturbing" (to | |
| Jefferson -he was furious years later when Haiti obtained | |
| independence and violated even the good parts of the | |
| constitution by authorizing to give the French plantation owners | |
| money and weapons to quell the rebellion - , many other | |
| founding fathers and their wealthy friends) move in England at | |
| the time to outlaw slavery. | |
| The industrial revolution and how the elite parasitic modus | |
| operandi called "capitalism" benefited massively from mass | |
| production is the main historical influence that led to our | |
| polluted world and the cruel poverty wage structure of today. | |
| The mass production factories created a new type slavery without | |
| the pejorative connotation of being race linked but it was still | |
| slavery. | |
| When enslaving African Americans was no longer cost effective | |
| due to farm machinery, new ways to enslave them and the poor | |
| whites as well as any other ethnic poor had to be invented. | |
| After all, the elite did not like one bit the idea that the | |
| increased efficiency of a laborer could provide that laborer | |
| with more free time and a better life. The 1% had conniption | |
| fits thinking about all those people out there having the time | |
| to sit, think and figure out how TBTB were gaming them. | |
| No, the elite developed a plan to "keep em' busy". The guilt | |
| trip sermons from pulpits all over America went out after the | |
| Civil War to demonize leisure and glorify "nose to the | |
| grindstone" work as being "God's Will". Few evils in human | |
| behavior exceed that of the act of conning people that trust you | |
| into willingly allowing themselves to be exploited based on the | |
| claim that it's what the are OBLIGATED to do because the person | |
| IN AUTHORITY speaks for GOD. There is a special place in hell | |
| for these elite predatory capitalist water carrying apologists | |
| that wear the cloth. >:( | |
| [center][img | |
| width=640] | |
| http://www.sciencephoto.com/image/362577/350wm/V2000034-Aerial_view_of_factorie… | |
| [center][img | |
| width=640] | |
| http://germanhistorydocs.ghi-dc.org/images/20030037-r<br | |
| />copy.jpg[/img][/center] | |
| [center]Factory owners displaying their "work ethic" | |
| http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-220216203149.gif<br | |
| />[/center] | |
| The elite's "work ethic" includes years of "sabbaticals", | |
| "learning experiences", "naval gazing" and "introspection" that | |
| translate to long stretches of time doing absolutely nothing | |
| productive. I think that's wonderful and should be available to | |
| all of us as a means to a healthier and happier mindset. That's | |
| why the elite do it. For them to then turn around and unleash | |
| their propaganda water carrying lackeys solemnly mouthing the | |
| "don't be lazy, work your fingers to the bone for us" bullshit | |
| on the populace is the epitome of duplicity. | |
| It is said the word "saboteur" derives from the Netherlands in | |
| the 15th century when workers would throw their sabots (wooden | |
| shoes) into the wooden gears of the textile looms to break the | |
| cogs, fearing the automated machines would render the human | |
| workers obsolete. | |
| Notice how the word "saboteur" has a negative connotation. This | |
| shows who controls the historical narrative. I believe the Dutch | |
| laborers weren't just concerned about obsolescence; they were | |
| concerned about controlling how much they got paid for their | |
| labor. | |
| Mass production was the beginning of a massive concentration of | |
| wealth by greedy machinery owners that refused to pay equitable | |
| wages. | |
| [center][img | |
| width=180] | |
| http://www.opednews.com/populum/uploaded/wemeantwell-23439-20130307-234.jpg[/im… | |
| This is what "Capitalism" is really all about. It is sold as | |
| free market this and that but, in practice, it is nothing but | |
| elite parasitism. | |
| When the English gentry wanted to corral the peasants into | |
| working in the factories, as well as use more of their land to | |
| grow sheep for fleece free from peasant interference, they came | |
| up with a pack of thinly justified herding mechanisms (Enclosure | |
| Laws) that stripped the peasants of their ability to live off | |
| the land. | |
| The peasants were not buying the con that working in a factory | |
| was a better deal than living off the land. They had to be | |
| forced. | |
| They knew damned good and well that the factory owners were not | |
| going to pay decent wages or provide adequate working | |
| conditions. | |
| Today, all this disguised tyranny called capitalism is festooned | |
| with gooblygock terms like competitive advantage and arbitrage | |
| along with a plethora of terms from the crooked imaginations of | |
| bored economists but it continues to be about elite parasitism. | |
| In the financial area the vampire proboscis is usury but that is | |
| not the whole story by a long shot. Patent law is another huge | |
| part of RHIP that was NEVER there to protect inventors UNLESS | |
| those inventors were from the upper class. | |
| The bottom line is the control of the populace for the power, | |
| profit and pleasure of the TPBT. | |
| [quote]Enclosure | |
| [size=10pt]In English social and economic history, enclosure or | |
| inclosure[1] is the process which ends traditional rights such | |
| as mowing meadows for hay, or grazing livestock on common land | |
| formerly held in the open field system. Once enclosed, these | |
| uses of the land become restricted to the owner, and it ceases | |
| to be common land. In England and Wales the term is also used | |
| for the process that ended the ancient system of arable farming | |
| in open fields. Under enclosure, such land is fenced (enclosed) | |
| and deeded or entitled to one or more owners. The process of | |
| enclosure began to be a widespread feature of the English | |
| agricultural landscape during the 16th century. By the 19th | |
| century, unenclosed commons had become largely restricted to | |
| rough pasture in mountainous areas and to relatively small parts | |
| of the lowlands. | |
| The process of enclosure has sometimes been accompanied by | |
| force, resistance, and bloodshed, and remains among the most | |
| controversial areas of agricultural and economic history in | |
| England. Marxist and neo-Marxist historians argue that rich | |
| landowners used their control of state processes to appropriate | |
| public land for their private benefit. | |
| This created a landless working class that provided the labour | |
| required in the new industries developing in the north of | |
| England. For example: "In agriculture the years between 1760 and | |
| 1820 are the years of wholesale enclosure in which, in village | |
| after village, common rights are lost".[2] "Enclosure (when all | |
| the sophistications are allowed for) was a plain enough case of | |
| class robbery".[3]HYPERLINK \l "cite_note-3"[4][/quote] | |
| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enclosure | |
| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enclosure | |
| The following video tells the real story of capitalism's birth | |
| and growth through the power the elite obtained in the | |
| industrial revolution, how the poor were demonized as being | |
| "lazy" for attempting to avoid the horrors of factory work by | |
| staying and living off the land. They had to be forced, along | |
| with their children, to do so.[/I] | |
| [center] | |
| https://youtu.be/l0nM5DU4ADI[/center] | |
| The only proper economic system that humans should engage in is | |
| the egalitarian socialism that the early Christians engaged in | |
| as shown in the Book of Acts in the New Testament. The Apostles | |
| were the top dogs but they received no special privileges and | |
| had to work as hard as anybody else. | |
| The elite despise egalitarianism so they invented all sorts of | |
| euphemisms for tyranny like capitalism, as well as 20th century | |
| Soviet Communism. It's six of one and half a dozen of the other. | |
| They all end up with a few reptiles in the catbird seat making | |
| life miserable for the rest of us. | |
| That is one of the reasons why, in my articles on Renewables, I | |
| am adamantly opposed to scaling up renewable energy sources into | |
| centralized power generating facilities UNLESS they are | |
| nationalized. | |
| Privatization of centralized power leads to pollution and | |
| illicit profits which are then used to buy the government. | |
| Decentralized renewable power generating facilities provide | |
| stable, secure and long term jobs free from the feast or famine | |
| fun and games so favored by predatory capitalism. | |
| Capitalism REQUIRES an insecure labor force so they can be | |
| fleeced and set to fight against each other for jobs. | |
| Sustainability eliminates all this tyranny and returns the | |
| proper view of human existence that everyone should be entitled | |
| to a decent lifestyle. | |
| The 'cog in the wheels of industry' view of humans and their | |
| labor as commodities is WRONG and has must be rejected by | |
| civilization.'Creatively destroying' human quality of life for | |
| profit is [I]good psychopathic criminal behavior, not good | |
| business. | |
| #Post#: 9814-------------------------------------------------- | |
| Re: The Anti-Democratic Elite Fix Was IN From The Very Start of | |
| the USA | |
| By: AGelbert Date: June 7, 2018, 5:53 pm | |
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| [quote author=Surly1 link=topic=4824.msg155332#msg155332 | |
| date=1528399695] | |
| [quote=Eddie]But that hardly makes the process of stealing a | |
| citizen's own money morally or ethically right. All my life I | |
| was taught the burden of proof when people were charged with a | |
| crime is on the government. Civil forfeiture is an end-run | |
| around that. | |
| It. Is. Not. Right. | |
| [/quote] | |
| Civil Forfeiture is the "legal" equivalent of a mob shakedown. I | |
| am ABSOLUTELY convinced that these practices are put into place | |
| to discredit the very idea of government, the better to "drown | |
| in the bathtub" per the Norquist ideal, and fully and finally | |
| realize the Randian divine condition. Libertarian governance is, | |
| at the end of the day, a war of all against all with bigger fish | |
| eating smaller. | |
| [center][img | |
| width=600] | |
| http://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-capitalism-is-the-legitimate-racke… | |
| [/quote] | |
| True. | |
| I have often pondered the genesis of the use of the term | |
| "Liberty" to define license, as in, "libertine". They are two | |
| different words, but I long suspected the libertines, who eschew | |
| any and all standards of morality in their "dog-eat-dog" world | |
| view, co-opted the term "liberty" early on in this nation's | |
| history. | |
| My suspicions were confirmed in a recent article by a historian | |
| about the tumultuous history of the "Liberty" issue in the early | |
| years of the USA (that almost destroyed the country at the | |
| start!). | |
| It is quite interesting, as it sheds light on much that is going | |
| on right now. The "Liberty" thing, for too many, actually means | |
| the freedom to avoid the constraints that responsible government | |
| imposes on citizens for the common welfare. To hide this fact, | |
| these proclaimers of their right to "Liberty" always paint the | |
| government as "abusive" and themseves as "victims of tyranny". | |
| In fact, they are mostly ravenous wolves out to fleece whoever | |
| they can with as few laws as possible between them and the | |
| routine plundering of their fellow man. | |
| That doesn't mean they don't like laws! Oh no! They engage in | |
| routine conspiracies and corruption to GAME the laws for their | |
| benefit. Despite what they claim, they do not mind government as | |
| long as THEY are the invisible hand controlling the government. | |
| All the while, they, like the Kochroaches today, hypocritically | |
| claimed that "government was tyranny attacking their liberty". | |
| They are still at it, pushing the con that they "just want to be | |
| left alone and have their property respected". In truth, they | |
| want all the rest of us to NEVER be given a moment of peace from | |
| their predations. | |
| Check it out. | |
| JUN 02, 2018 TD ORIGINALS | |
| [center]American History for Truthdiggers: Liberty vs. Order | |
| (1796-1800) | |
| https://www.truthdig.com/articles/american-history-for-truthdiggers-liberty-vs-… | |
| SNIPPET: | |
| Liberty, once lost, is lost forever.� �John Adams in a letter to | |
| his wife, Abigail (1775) | |
| �[A social division exists] between the rich and the poor, the | |
| laborious and the idle, the learned and the ignorant. � Nothing, | |
| but force, and power and strength can restrain [the latter].� | |
| �John Adams in a letter to Thomas Jefferson (1787) | |
| Two quotes from the same person. Barely a decade between the two | |
| utterances. How can a man be so conflicted? John Adams, who | |
| helped lead the revolution against British �tyranny,� would | |
| later become a president apt to suppress dissent and restrict a | |
| free press at home. Well, Adams was a complicated man, and the | |
| United States was�and is�a complicated nation. | |
| Full article: | |
| [center]American History for Truthdiggers: Liberty vs. Order | |
| (1796-1800) | |
| https://www.truthdig.com/articles/american-history-for-truthdiggers-liberty-vs-… | |
| #Post#: 9816-------------------------------------------------- | |
| Re: The Anti-Democratic Elite Fix Was IN From The Very Start of | |
| the USA | |
| By: AGelbert Date: June 7, 2018, 9:10 pm | |
| --------------------------------------------------------- | |
| [quote author=Surly1 link=topic=937.msg155345#msg155345 | |
| date=1528419917] | |
| [quote author=agelbert link=topic=937.msg155339#msg155339 | |
| date=1528408253] | |
| However, considering what the Bilderbergers consider to be a | |
| 'Present-Truth' world, I think it is rather Orwellian of them to | |
| be concerned about a 'Post-Truth' world. Their concern [img | |
| width=20] | |
| http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-25081… | |
| />has always been about making sure the TRUTH was NOT known abou | |
| t | |
| how elites have irresponsibly and mindlessly plundered the | |
| people and the environment for centuries. That has not changed, | |
| despite the headline. | |
| [/quote] | |
| The "truth" being, of course, what the Bilderbergers [img | |
| width=20] | |
| http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-311013201314.png[/img… | |
| />[img | |
| width=20] | |
| http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-311013201314.png[/img… | |
| />[img | |
| width=20] | |
| http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-311013201314.png[/img… | |
| />define it to be.[/quote] | |
| Orwell lives. [img | |
| width=20] | |
| http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-311013201314.png[/img] | |
| [center][img | |
| width=640] | |
| http://www.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-050515144544.png[/img… | |
| #Post#: 10189-------------------------------------------------- | |
| Re: The Anti-Democratic Elite Fix Was IN From The Very Start of | |
| the USA | |
| By: AGelbert Date: July 4, 2018, 11:27 am | |
| --------------------------------------------------------- | |
| [center]Did the Founding Fathers Lead the American Revolution | |
| for the Pursuit of Liberty � Or Personal Greed?[/center] | |
| [center]Two political scientists are that the founding of the | |
| United States was less idealistic than we were led to believe. | |
| [/center] | |
| By Cody Fenwick / [font=times new roman]AlterNet[/font] | |
| July 3, 2018, 5:45 PM GMT | |
| Americans, like citizens of countries around the world, | |
| celebrate their country's Independence Day with pride and | |
| reverence for the people who founded the country. In the United | |
| States, we tell a powerful story of the country's founding as a | |
| break from the tyranny of the British crown and away from King | |
| George III's relentless taxation without representation, a break | |
| which led to the Revolutionary War. | |
| But is this merely a myth meant to inculcate patriotism? | |
| Political scientists Bruce Bueno de Mesquita and Alastair Smith | |
| have argued that we should question the American founding story | |
| as a noble crusade. | |
| Instead, they see the founding of the United States as the | |
| result of the unabated greed of the founders. | |
| In their book The Spoils of War, Bueno de Mesquita and Smith | |
| expand on their theory of political action as deriving largely | |
| from the personal ambitions of rulers and politicians in power. | |
| They apply this theory to the American presidents, and they | |
| begin their case with no lesser figure than President George | |
| Washington. | |
| Washington, they argue, had deep financial interests in land. | |
| One estimate ranks him as the 59th richest man in all of | |
| American history, and he died with 60,000 acres to his name | |
| across Virginia, Pennsylvania, New York, Kentucky, Maryland, and | |
| West Virginia, the authors write. | |
| But the market for land that Washington would use to become so | |
| rich was under threat from the British government prior to the | |
| war. In 1763, the king issued a proclamation restricting the | |
| colonization of the Ohio Valley, where the Ohio Company � to | |
| which Washington was tied � had sought to profit handsomely. The | |
| proclamation dimmed the prospects for profit. | |
| The king's imposition became even worse in 1767 when he | |
| proclaimed that all land west of the Alleghenies belonged to the | |
| crown, completely nullifying the Ohio Company's land acquisition | |
| ambitions. | |
| "For Washington, however, all future paths, whether as a | |
| landowner, a canal builder, or a military hero, lead back the | |
| benefits he derived from the Ohio Company," the authors write. | |
| "It was a catalyst for his success." | |
| So while many average colonists may have little quarrel with the | |
| king over these seizures of land � land which was, quite often, | |
| inhabited by Native Americans � men with ambitions for wealth | |
| and power saw these proclamations as an affront. | |
| The authors note that the king's effort to restrict colonists' | |
| use of uncolonized land is even mentioned in the Declaration of | |
| Independence. | |
| Two other famous decrees from Britain are also commonly cited as | |
| part of the incentive for revolution: The Currency Act and the | |
| Stamp Act. But both these laws, passed by parliament, had | |
| exaggerated effects on wealthy colonists, like the founders, | |
| compared to their effects on the rest of the people. | |
| Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson were also both, like | |
| Washington, historically wealthy men who engaged in land | |
| speculation. John Hancock was another founding father from elite | |
| stock: he is reportedly the 56th wealthiest man in American | |
| history. | |
| Bueno de Mesquita and Smith write: | |
| Through tough business dealing, prudent spending, and a superb | |
| eye for opportunities in land acquisition and other businesses, | |
| George Washington turned himself into a phenomenally wealthy | |
| man. And then the economic world around him was turned | |
| topsy-turvy by new policies emanating from Britain. These | |
| policies and the threat they represented to his, and many other | |
| founding fathers', personal interests were a great impetus for | |
| revolution. | |
| In the end, it's not clear that the authors develop a knock-down | |
| argument for their case. While they persuasively show that the | |
| founding fathers may have had compelling financial interests at | |
| stake at the time of the revolution, they don't argue | |
| conclusively that war was the most efficient or reasonable | |
| tactic for them to increase their wealth. | |
| And they aren't able to show that, even if financial interests | |
| were a motivating factor for many of the founding fathers to go | |
| to war, these interests were necessarily the deciding factor. | |
| However, the authors' argument that going to war was the wrong | |
| decision, on the other hand, is much more persuasive. | |
| One of the major reasons to regret the war is the effect | |
| American independence had on Native Americans. | |
| Despite their claim in the Declaration of Independence, the | |
| founding fathers and early colonists did not have a right to | |
| take the land from Native Americans who already lived in the | |
| Ohio Valley and beyond � and the coming conflicts over this land | |
| would spill much blood. | |
| So had the colonies complied with the king's demands on this | |
| front, much of this unjustified theft and violence might have | |
| been avoided. | |
| Vox's Dyland Matthews makes a similar point: | |
| American Indians would have still, in all likelihood, faced | |
| violence and oppression absent American independence, just as | |
| First Nations people in Canada did. But American-scale ethnic | |
| cleansing wouldn't have occurred. And like America's slaves, | |
| American Indians knew this. Most tribes sided with the British | |
| or stayed neutral; only a small minority backed the rebels. | |
| Generally speaking, when a cause is opposed by the two most | |
| vulnerable groups in a society, it's probably a bad idea. So it | |
| is with the cause of American independence. | |
| Moreover, the taxation without representation issue could have | |
| been solved, Bueno de Mesquita and Smith argue, had the king and | |
| British parliament simply allowed the American colonies to have | |
| representation. And if the American colonies stayed a part of | |
| Britain, they would have then abolished slavery in 1833 under | |
| the Slavery Abolition Act, many years earlier before the United | |
| States, in fact, achieved that end of the abominable | |
| institution. | |
| The authors contend that had the southern colonies attempted to | |
| rebel to preserve slavery as the southern states did in 1865, | |
| they would have faced not only opposition from the north, but | |
| also from the British empire. This superior force could have | |
| reduced the chances of a bloody civil war. | |
| Without the Revolutionary War, the United States would have | |
| likely ended up following a path much more similar to that of | |
| Canada. That is, while vestiges of imperial rule would linger, | |
| the country would have eventually won its independence without | |
| resorting to armed conflict. | |
| So was it greed that drove our founding fathers to go to war? | |
| Perhaps, though it remains uncertain. But whatever the | |
| motivation for the war that led to American independence, it was | |
| probably a mistake. | |
| Bueno de Mesquita and Smith's argument reminds us that it is | |
| always worthwhile to examine leaders' motivations for bringing | |
| nations to war and to question a country's founding myths. As an | |
| apocryphal James Madison quote warns: "The truth is that all men | |
| having power ought to be mistrusted." [img | |
| width=50] | |
| http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-13041… | |
| /> | |
| https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/did-founding-fathers-lead-american-r… | |
| #Post#: 11057-------------------------------------------------- | |
| Re: The Anti-Democratic Elite Fix Was IN From The Very Start of | |
| the USA | |
| By: AGelbert Date: November 9, 2018, 3:58 pm | |
| --------------------------------------------------------- | |
| [center]The Senate Is an Institutional Barrier 😈 | |
| 👹 💵 🎩 to Democracy[/center] | |
| BY Sohale A. Mortazavi, Truthout | |
| PUBLISHED November 9, 2018 | |
| Even though Democratic candidates for the Senate won millions | |
| more votes than their Republican challengers, it's the | |
| Republicans who will maintain control of the Senate. This is now | |
| the sixth out of the last 10 Congresses in which the GOP has | |
| controlled the Senate without representing a majority of voters, | |
| raising questions about whether this legislative body needs | |
| reform -- or abolition. | |
| Even entirely excluding the more than 6.4 million votes cast in | |
| California, where no Republican senatorial candidate appeared on | |
| the general ballot, Democrats still secured 6.4 million more | |
| votes nationally, an 8-percentage point lead. | |
| Excellent article: [img | |
| width=50] | |
| http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/gallery/renewablerevolution/3-13041… | |
| /> | |
| https://truthout.org/articles/the-senate-is-an-institutional-barrier-to-democra… | |
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