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| #Post#: 1020-------------------------------------------------- | |
| Predictablility | |
| By: Kerry Date: April 10, 2015, 11:54 pm | |
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| Ever notice that we are bored if life becomes too predictable | |
| but frustrated if too it's too unpredictable? When that line | |
| gets drawn varies from person to person too. Some people enjoy | |
| lots of chaos while others enjoy more order with its | |
| predictability. | |
| Ever notice how we feel disappointed or betrayed when something | |
| fails us after we were so sure we could rely on it? | |
| I was thinking about predictability after seeing how my cats | |
| behave at times. If I get out the food, they go towards their | |
| bowls. They have a belief about what I'm going to do next. | |
| As a rule, I try not to disappoint them. If they can predict | |
| what I'm going to do, that tells me they understand something | |
| about me. If I confuse them, how can they understand me? | |
| This has something to do with trust, too, I think. | |
| #Post#: 1030-------------------------------------------------- | |
| Re: Predictablility | |
| By: Piper Date: April 11, 2015, 2:36 pm | |
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| [font=trebuchet ms]I notice my animals much prefer | |
| predictability. I try to always do things in the same way, and | |
| in the same order. If I alter routine, they almost fall apart | |
| at times and it can cause big problems. It seems the more timid | |
| and less tame an animal is, the more important doing things in a | |
| predictable pattern becomes. I must be a bit timid in nature | |
| myself, perhaps, because I, too, prefer patterns to my day, and | |
| predictability. Yet, like my dogs and other animals, I still | |
| enjoy stepping out of routine now and then, as long as it | |
| doesn't upset my routine too tremendously. Day after weary day | |
| of the exact same thing does create boredom. Sometimes just a | |
| short adventure away from routine can | |
| bring refreshment, helping one to carry on with all the daily | |
| grind. | |
| Consistency is essential to training an animal and gaining their | |
| trust. Once you gain their trust, and only then, can you branch | |
| out slowly into the less predictable, expecting them to see you | |
| as leader and friend.[/font] | |
| #Post#: 1067-------------------------------------------------- | |
| Re: Predictablility | |
| By: Kerry Date: April 13, 2015, 7:16 am | |
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| This whole thing about predictability and boredom convinces me | |
| that God would be bored if He knew every little thing that was | |
| going to happen. I know most people believe God knows | |
| "everything" -- but for me, the future doesn't exist until it | |
| is now. Yes, God knows some things about the future; but He | |
| makes things happen. Some things are also predictable. | |
| What I do believe is that God knows the beginning and the end. | |
| Things can't get so wild that they wind up wrong. I think God | |
| knows how everything will end and designed the universe to make | |
| sure all ends well. | |
| I also can't accept the idea of God as a Being who can do | |
| anything. His Nature is Love. That means He won't do certain | |
| things. For example, God cannot lie. If God behaved | |
| whimsically or irrationally, we could never understand Him. | |
| Since I believe God wants us to understand, love and trust Him, | |
| He would not behave in a way that worked against that. | |
| The idea of God getting frustrated with His Creation and | |
| smashing it is not an idea I can fit into my mind. Why would | |
| God get frustrated with His own Creation? People do things | |
| like that, but people can be irrational; and people like that | |
| don't inspire trust or love, and who can understand them? | |
| #Post#: 1068-------------------------------------------------- | |
| Re: Predictablility | |
| By: James Date: April 13, 2015, 8:28 am | |
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| God may not "smash up his creation" but where does one put the | |
| flood or for that matter the judgement to come? | |
| As you say God does know the end and as such sees that there is | |
| a need for judgement, I see judgement as an action of his love. | |
| I ask myself the question if God serves judgement in this life | |
| for man's actions will he, could he, be righteous in serving | |
| judgement on those self same people a second time. I am not | |
| sure I have found the conclusion to my question! | |
| #Post#: 1072-------------------------------------------------- | |
| Re: Predictablility | |
| By: Helen Date: April 13, 2015, 12:39 pm | |
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| [quote]I also can't accept the idea of God as a Being who can do | |
| anything. His Nature is Love. That means He won't do certain | |
| things. For example, God cannot lie. If God behaved | |
| whimsically or irrationally, we could never understand Him. | |
| Since I believe God wants us to understand, love and trust Him, | |
| He would not behave in a way that worked against that. | |
| [/quote] | |
| Agree. Yet I also see where He tries to shake us off at | |
| times...to see if we will indeed 'be' shaken off, or if in fact | |
| we cling even the harder! As in The Song Of Songs..He hides | |
| Himself so that we ran after Him who our soul loves. The proof | |
| of the pudding at the very End will be..who allowed themselves | |
| to be shaken off and who clung to Him even tighter. | |
| If we take Hebrews 11...these all died in faith, not having | |
| received the promises but seeing them afar off. | |
| Thinking of my present situation with my body, I said to Dave | |
| this morning about the long list of friends we have, who with | |
| their dying breath believed in a God who says "I am the lord thy | |
| Healer"...and they died sick. | |
| " not having received the promise, but seeing it afar off." | |
| Will we be shaken off or believe even more! "He that believes | |
| unto the end, the same shall be saved." | |
| [quote]If God serves judgement in this life for man's actions | |
| will He, could He, be righteous in serving judgement on those | |
| self same people a second time? I am not sure I have found the | |
| conclusion to my question![/quote] | |
| I think there is only one conclusion. A man can't be tried twice | |
| for the same thing. If that were so, even though Jesus died for | |
| us and took it all for us, God could then try us again!! Yet we | |
| know it was once, and for all. | |
| Yet sometimes it isn't God who judges in this life...there is | |
| also the law of sowing and reaping. | |
| Jeremiah 2 19 | |
| "Thine own wickedness shall correct thee, and thy backslidings | |
| shall reprove thee: know therefore and see that it is an evil | |
| thing and bitter, that thou hast forsaken the LORD thy God, and | |
| that My fear is not in thee, saith the Lord GOD of hosts." | |
| Now what all that has to do with predictability I have no idea!! | |
| LOL | |
| #Post#: 1075-------------------------------------------------- | |
| Re: Predictablility | |
| By: Piper Date: April 13, 2015, 1:47 pm | |
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| [quote author=Kerry link=topic=122.msg1067#msg1067 | |
| date=1428927367] | |
| This whole thing about predictability and boredom convinces me | |
| that God would be bored if He knew every little thing that was | |
| going to happen. | |
| [/quote] | |
| [font=trebuchet ms]God allows our free will, but do we ever | |
| surprise Him as He surprises us? | |
| If God is not a man that He should lie, then perhaps God is not | |
| a man that He should ever grow bored. | |
| Boredom stems from our lack of ability to grasp the power within | |
| us to effect change. God has no such lack of ability, IS power, | |
| and possesses all the motivation we often fail to harness. | |
| Agape love motivates God to do, allow, and orchestrate things we | |
| can not comprehend--strange, heartrending, joyful, painful, | |
| wonderful, terrible things. | |
| The fallen children of Eve must need infinite tending, just like | |
| our little plants in our gardens. If one truly loves his | |
| garden, boredom can not be had or all will fail. | |
| Our Father is always working, as is Jesus, as is the Spirit | |
| within us. There is no time or space for boredom within time or | |
| space when You are the One who holds it all together. | |
| So I think. ;) It is good God does not grow tired, nor does He | |
| sleep. [/font] | |
| #Post#: 1080-------------------------------------------------- | |
| Re: Predictablility | |
| By: Piper Date: April 13, 2015, 2:01 pm | |
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| [font=trebuchet ms]Yes, Helen. God will not be shaken, but | |
| certainly we are, as God tests the roots of every tree, that | |
| they go deeper still. We must be faithful, for love is proved | |
| in faithfulness, as Jesus was faithful. | |
| Cling, dear sister, as I, too, try to cling, despite being so | |
| thoroughly shaken, my world has been turned upside down. | |
| [/font] | |
| #Post#: 1081-------------------------------------------------- | |
| Re: Predictablility | |
| By: Kerry Date: April 13, 2015, 2:09 pm | |
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| [quote author=James link=topic=122.msg1068#msg1068 | |
| date=1428931724] | |
| God may not "smash up his creation" but where does one put the | |
| flood or for that matter the judgement to come? | |
| As you say God does know the end and as such sees that there is | |
| a need for judgement, I see judgement as an action of his love. | |
| I ask myself the question if God serves judgement in this life | |
| for man's actions will he, could he, be righteous in serving | |
| judgement on those self same people a second time. I am not | |
| sure I have found the conclusion to my question! | |
| [/quote]I can give you my take on it. | |
| Some care needs to be taken when reading certain passages in the | |
| Bible. When it says the LORD did something, it can mean almost | |
| anything. It can mean any expression of the Divine; it can | |
| even mean those parts of God which have broken off to become | |
| satanic or demonic. Thus we read these two passages which | |
| mean the same thing if we understand them correctly: | |
| 2 Samuel 24:1 And again the anger of the LORD was kindled | |
| against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, | |
| number Israel and Judah. | |
| 1 Chronicles 21:1 And Satan stood up against Israel, and | |
| provoked David to number Israel. | |
| Should we believe -- can we really believe -- that God Himself | |
| could try to kill someone and fail? Such a thing is impossible. | |
| Yet we read: | |
| Exodus 4:24 And it came to pass by the way in the inn, that the | |
| Lord met him, and sought to kill him. | |
| This was not God. It was a demon who sought to oppose God's | |
| plan to bring Israel out of Egypt as Abraham had been promised. | |
| If Moses was in a state of sin, he could be attacked; and if | |
| Moses could be killed, God's plan would be compromised. | |
| Nor can we believe God needs spectacles when we read: | |
| Genesis 11:5 And the LORD came down to see the city and the | |
| tower, which the children of men builded. | |
| Who did come down? It was more than one Being who rules in | |
| Heaven; the seventy Guardian Angels of the seventy nations also | |
| came down. God reached the decision by consultation with them. | |
| Concerning the Flood, that was the result of black magic. The | |
| Spirit of God had withdrawn from men, except for a few. | |
| Genesis 6:3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive | |
| with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an | |
| hundred and twenty years. | |
| The Divine Breath of Life given to Adam and his descendants was | |
| withdrawn. What was on the earth then was demonic -- broken off | |
| from God like a branch can be broken from the Tree of Life. The | |
| angry forces which prevailed on the earth then were a curse not | |
| only on the earth but on the first and second heavens (of lower | |
| and upper waters). When those forces resulted in the Flood -- | |
| with waters coming up and also down -- the power of the black | |
| magicians was partially broken; and it was then decreed by | |
| Heaven (God with the seventy angels of the nations) that the | |
| Spirit of God (the neshamah) could be given to man again, but | |
| that a wall of separation be placed between the physical plane | |
| and the other planes so black magic could not create such a | |
| disaster again. | |
| This wall of separation could also be called a firmament. Prior | |
| to Flood, man could see beings on the astral plane. They could | |
| see the dead, etc. This is known from Chinese and Egyptian | |
| sources. Indeed the whole idea of ancestor worship, so prevalent | |
| in the world, was a result of how dead people could appear to | |
| the living before the Flood. | |
| This new firmament meant too that man's access to the Divine | |
| Light was restricted. Most men no longer had access to the | |
| Seven Lights directly. Rather the source of Light after the | |
| Flood was via a window being made in the firmament with a | |
| "rainbow" appearing in the "clouds" of "water." | |
| The Spirit of God went forth, first as the black raven, then as | |
| the white dove. Both serve their own purposes. Noah then | |
| replanted the Tree of Life, and became drunk on the new wine and | |
| Pentecost came. Yes, he was naked, as naked as Adam and Eve. | |
| I believe God permitted man to become increasingly wicked until | |
| that wickedness created such a major problem that all life was | |
| threatened, then He resolved the situation and got the seventy | |
| angels of the nations to agree to have the new firmament put | |
| into place. The angels which govern the animals also entered | |
| into the new agreement made with man. | |
| The seed of Cain was preserved in the Flood. God's plan | |
| involved extending Mercy to Cain and his seed. Thus they had to | |
| be preserved, even if they would cause problems in the future. | |
| Without God's plan, mand would have destroyed not only | |
| themselves but the whole world. But just as Cain acted | |
| foolishly and was then repentant, God trusted that mankind, | |
| including the seed of Cain, would realize they have behaved | |
| foolishly and could repent. It took the Flood to bring them to | |
| their senses. | |
| God intervenes when man has been allowed to be so evil he | |
| threatens all life. When men believe their evil has a chance of | |
| getting them what they want, they're not apt to change. | |
| Consider Yemen. We have people there killing each other based | |
| largely on religion and perhaps to a lesser extent on tribalism. | |
| Neither side is going to give in and give up if it thinks it | |
| can win. The bodies can pile up in the streets and they will | |
| still go on. Outsiders can try to get them medical care and | |
| food; and perhaps that keeps both sides going in the conflict. | |
| It probably won't end until people are so horrified of the | |
| results, they see it's time to do something else. Sad to say, | |
| mankind as a rule does not learn unless things get bad enough. | |
| Man is free to choose evil; and once he sees it doesn't work, he | |
| can then choose good. The world now may look very wicked; I'd | |
| say it is; but I think it's a phase. It will probably get worse | |
| as the result of mankind's evil; and then when things get bad | |
| enough, the majority of mankind will be ready to try God's way. | |
| That is what I believe. | |
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