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| #Post#: 9404-------------------------------------------------- | |
| Quakerism: The Silent Witness | |
| By: coldwar Date: October 24, 2014, 8:29 am | |
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| I just attended my first Quaker meeting yesterday. In my little | |
| town of 2500 people (4500 when University students arrive), | |
| there is a little Quaker group of about 8 people. It is a | |
| traditional silent group, and I had to leave 20 minutes early | |
| due to another commitment, but the beginning starts immediately | |
| with silence. Only 4 people including myself. I'm sure there | |
| must've been some conversation or announcements at the end, and | |
| I would've been introduced as the newbie. I didn't find it | |
| difficult to get into the spirit of it, as I practice "just | |
| sitting" (shikantaza) on my own occasionally, but there was | |
| something special about "just sitting" with a group of | |
| like-minded believers - that's the beauty of Quakerism - no | |
| doctrine, no creed, no sacraments. Just silence and whatever | |
| service to others, which they call "witness" flows from that. | |
| I may have found my spiritual home - I hope so. | |
| #Post#: 9405-------------------------------------------------- | |
| Re: Quakerism: The Silent Witness | |
| By: Kerry Date: October 24, 2014, 9:29 am | |
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| That's interesting. I wonder when Holland will return? He | |
| leans towards Quakerism too. | |
| Have you ever heard of the Eastern State Penitentiary | |
| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_State_Penitentiary | |
| in | |
| Philadelphia? My understanding is that the Quakers thought the | |
| prisoners would benefit by silence. Instead it seemed to have | |
| driven some of them half-crazy. | |
| I believe the first penitentiary was the older Walnut Street | |
| Jail | |
| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walnut_Street_Jail | |
| which started | |
| off as a regular punitive jail but was converted to a | |
| penitentiary later. | |
| So far as I can tell though, the idea that prisons should help | |
| prisoners instead of merely punish them originated with the | |
| Quakers. There are facilities today called penitentiaries but | |
| they often don't live up to the name. | |
| #Post#: 9406-------------------------------------------------- | |
| Re: Quakerism: The Silent Witness | |
| By: coldwar Date: October 24, 2014, 11:00 am | |
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| Yes - penitentiaries and Quakerism go hand-in-glove. Every | |
| prison in Canada is called a Penitentiary. Unfortunately, our | |
| present government is stubbornly turning the clock back 100 | |
| years and calling it "prison reform". I'm seeing the results of | |
| this weekly as I go into | |
| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorchester_Penitentiary | |
| - | |
| educational and employment programs have been reduced | |
| drastically, and even the inmates meager "salaries" have been | |
| cut in half, with no thought that their families outside are | |
| meant to benefit from the money (a portion of which is sent | |
| directly to a family member, if there is one, I believe). Canada | |
| is no longer interested in rehabilitating prisoners, only in | |
| punishing them. | |
| I can see how silence could drive some of them crazy - so many | |
| who have committed crimes have an "unquiet mind" - I've earned | |
| to recognize it when I see it. A good specific kind of cognitive | |
| therapy would work better on these ones than silence would. | |
| Sitting in silence is how they're punished in "solitary" - and | |
| anyone with this unquiet mind would simply have the noise within | |
| them amplified because of the silence. | |
| Joan Baez is a Quaker and Social Activist - here's a great song | |
| of hers regarding prison reform, to help people think about the | |
| person behind the crime - | |
| http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXrJE1iDhh8 | |
| #Post#: 9407-------------------------------------------------- | |
| Re: Quakerism: The Silent Witness | |
| By: Kerry Date: October 24, 2014, 11:43 am | |
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| [quote author=coldwar link=topic=896.msg9406#msg9406 | |
| date=1414166434] | |
| Yes - penitentiaries and Quakerism go hand-in-glove. Every | |
| prison in Canada is called a Penitentiary. Unfortunately, our | |
| present government is stubbornly turning the clock back 100 | |
| years and calling it "prison reform". I'm seeing the results of | |
| this weekly as I go into | |
| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorchester_Penitentiary | |
| - | |
| educational and employment programs have been reduced | |
| drastically, and even the inmates meager "salaries" have been | |
| cut in half, with no thought that their families outside are | |
| meant to benefit from the money (a portion of which is sent | |
| directly to a family member, if there is one, I believe). Canada | |
| is no longer interested in rehabilitating prisoners, only in | |
| punishing them.[/quote]It makes me wonder if this attitude is a | |
| factor in the rise of violent crimes? I found it of interest | |
| that the shooter in Ottawa had a record of petty crime. It | |
| sounded to me as if he was mentally ill and had not gotten help. | |
| Drug problems, assault and robbery could be signs of someone | |
| who needs mental help. His mother also said he felt he never | |
| fitted in. Is the real answer increasing security at all the | |
| government's buildings? Is it? I doubt it. If you ask me, | |
| the tougher the government gets, the more it makes troubled | |
| people hate the police and other authority figures. | |
| Most mental health facilities here in the USA have closed. The | |
| police are now expected to deal with the mentally ill; and it's | |
| estimated that half the people who get killed by the police in | |
| confrontations are mentally ill. | |
| The city of San Antonio in Texas developed a program | |
| http://kaiserhealthnews.org/news/san-antonio-police-treat-mental-health/<br | |
| />where instead of locking up people for minor infractions, ofte | |
| n | |
| the cops get them mental help if that's what they need. They | |
| have to spend money on the mental health program; but it's saved | |
| them over $50 million in the last five years. The punitive | |
| system is inhumane and doesn't save money. | |
| [quote]I can see how silence could drive some of them crazy - so | |
| many who have committed crimes have an "unquiet mind" - I've | |
| earned to recognize it when I see it. A good specific kind of | |
| cognitive therapy would work better on these ones than silence | |
| would. Sitting in silence is how they're punished in "solitary" | |
| - and anyone with this unquiet mind would simply have the noise | |
| within them amplified because of the silence.[/quote] | |
| You're right. The inner demons just get louder. They could be | |
| eased out of that, yes, probably by cognitive therapy. | |
| [quote]Joan Baez is a Quaker and Social Activist - here's a | |
| great song of hers regarding prison reform, to help people think | |
| about the person behind the crime -[/quote]I did not know she | |
| was a Quaker. In all my life, I've gone to only one real | |
| concert -- and that was when Baez came to Philadelphia. The | |
| song I remember most was this one. She had a guitarist from | |
| Nashville with her that night, and I'm not sure but maybe she | |
| introduced him during this song. | |
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_ksYL26lZE | |
| #Post#: 9408-------------------------------------------------- | |
| Re: Quakerism: The Silent Witness | |
| By: coldwar Date: October 24, 2014, 12:27 pm | |
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| Great song - one of my favourites to play. It was actually | |
| written by Toronto's Robbie Robertson, and first performed by | |
| "The Band", for whom Robertson was the lead guitarist. I prefer | |
| Joan's version - much smoother. | |
| http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jREUrbGGrgM | |
| #Post#: 9412-------------------------------------------------- | |
| Re: Quakerism: The Silent Witness | |
| By: Kerry Date: October 24, 2014, 1:17 pm | |
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| Yes, I've heard The Band's version a lot more. I never knew who | |
| wrote that song. I always figured it was someone from the South | |
| since it was about Dixie. How curious that it was a Canadian! | |
| #Post#: 9414-------------------------------------------------- | |
| Re: Quakerism: The Silent Witness | |
| By: coldwar Date: October 24, 2014, 1:33 pm | |
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| In a Documentary about The Band (one of many), Robertson says he | |
| wrote the song after taking a trip to the South and met | |
| (drummer) Levon Helm's Dad, Helm, BTW was the only American in | |
| The Band - the rest were all Canadian, and originally backed | |
| Ronnie Hawkins (from Arkansas) as "Ronnie and The Hawkes", until | |
| they took their most famous position as Bob Dylan's backup band | |
| after Dylan "went electric". Anyway, Levon's Dad took Robbie | |
| aside, knowing he was their main songwriter and said "Son, The | |
| South will rise again". He claims this became his sole | |
| inspiration in writing the song. It's so cool how a good | |
| songwriter can take a topic so outside himself, and still write | |
| about it. I could also mention that Robertson is half Cree | |
| Indian. | |
| Perhaps some reincarnation influence going on here? ;D | |
| #Post#: 9415-------------------------------------------------- | |
| Re: Quakerism: The Silent Witness | |
| By: Kerry Date: October 24, 2014, 3:08 pm | |
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| Interesting. Things make you wonder. | |
| Also interesting is now I'm get ads about Joan Baez for a | |
| concert on November 14. | |
| (I'm also getting ads for Garret Graves for Congress ever since | |
| I visited his website. Google ads must think I'm from | |
| Louisiana. Stranger yet, I am still getting ads from Walmart | |
| about lawnmowers -- and that's after I bought one. Their | |
| computer program must not be the brightest.) | |
| The town I live in has a Quaker Meetinghouse, and it also has a | |
| street called Meetinghouse Road; but the meetinghouse isn't on | |
| the road! The meetinghouse is on "A Street | |
| https://www.quakercloud.org/cloud/carlisle-friends-meeting." | |
| That's several blocks away from the road. It's a part of local | |
| history I never got straightened out. My guess is there had | |
| been an older meetinghouse on that road and that's how it got | |
| the name. | |
| The Quakers do interest me. I went to the University of | |
| Pennsylvania. That was started originally by Ben Franklin as a | |
| Quaker school. Its team is still called the Quakers. Their | |
| hospital is the oldest hospital in the US. It was also started | |
| by Franklin and a Dr. Bond whom I don't know much about. | |
| How they affected the politics of the state is interesting too. | |
| Not many states allowed religious freedom. I think there was | |
| one other. I doubt Pennsylvania would have joined the union if | |
| there had been an official state religion. The whole scheme to | |
| form a federal union would have collapsed -- that's the reason | |
| for the nickname the Keystone State. The ideal of religious | |
| freedom now taking hold in many other countries by many seems to | |
| have had some roots in the Quakers first in Philadelphia, then | |
| the state of Pennsylvania, the the USA and it is now spreading | |
| across the world. | |
| #Post#: 9418-------------------------------------------------- | |
| Re: Quakerism: The Silent Witness | |
| By: coldwar Date: October 24, 2014, 5:22 pm | |
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| Thanks - great info. I knew there was a strong connection with | |
| Pennsylvania & Ben Franklin. | |
| I felt strongly it was what I wanted, and totally surprised when | |
| I looked on a Canadian Quakers' Website and found there was a | |
| small group right in my town. Not only that, I've known the lady | |
| who heads it up for a brief time, from another context. | |
| #Post#: 9430-------------------------------------------------- | |
| Re: Quakerism: The Silent Witness | |
| By: HOLLAND Date: October 27, 2014, 6:05 am | |
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| Hi Everyone! | |
| As a Friend (Quaker), I hope that all is well with you in your | |
| spiritual walk. Prayer and looking within in the Spirit shall | |
| lead to the awakening that we must experience as we live this | |
| life. If the Quaker path is a good one for you, may it be well | |
| for you, but as God wills and by his grace. | |
| I haven't posted much. Still not connected to the internet but | |
| will do so. I am hoping for November to come on again and be a | |
| regular poster. | |
| In the silence the Spirit's speaking shall emerge. | |
| Peace be with you all! | |
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