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insights
By: meshak Date: December 10, 2021, 7:56 am
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I would like to share my overall insights regarding spiritual or
biblical.
would you like to share yours?
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Re: insights
By: meshak Date: December 10, 2021, 8:05 am
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this comment is from other forum I just got banned.
[quote]I do not agree with most of anything you ever post
because most all of them have errors within them.[/quote]
This will be labelled as an insult but it is insightful IMO.
Many posters' comments are lengthy.
So it is impossible to address errors unless you are interested
in taking time to discourse with them.
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Re: insights
By: HOLLAND Date: December 10, 2021, 8:40 am
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[quote author=meshak link=topic=1510.msg29298#msg29298
date=1639144583]
I would like to share my overall insights regarding spiritual or
biblical.[/quote]
Please do, meshak. I'm more interested in the spiritual
thoughts you have rather than the biblical, since we disagree on
the latter.
[quote]would you like to share yours?
[/quote]
Of myself, no, not at this time. I have a lack of energy for
lengthy replies.
[quote author=meshak link=topic=1510.msg29299#msg29299
date=1639145149]
this comment is from other forum I just got banned.
[quote]I do not agree with most of anything you ever post
because most all of them have errors within them.[/quote]
This will be labelled as an insult but it is insightful
IMO.[/quote]
I would not consider it an insult, but I do not know the context
of this posting. It appears to be a statement relating to a
disagreement about something. Disagreement, of itself, is not
insulting.
[quote]Many posters' comments are lengthy.
So it is impossible to address errors unless you are interested
in taking time to discourse with them.
[/quote]
I agree. Given my lack of energy, perhaps, at this time, why
not share your insights about spirituality at this time? I'll
try to be attentive. Have a good day! :)
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Re: insights
By: Kerry Date: December 10, 2021, 10:02 am
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[quote author=meshak link=topic=1510.msg29299#msg29299
date=1639145149]
this comment is from other forum I just got banned.[quote]I do
not agree with most of anything you ever post
because most all of them have errors within them.[/quote]
This will be labelled as an insult but it is insightful
IMO.[/quote]Could be that whoever wrote that was lazy or didn't
have the time to go into detail. As a comment, it's next to
meaningless since he or she isn't pointing out any errors
specifically. Some people also want to post but honestly don't
their ideas sorted out in their own minds to able to express
them -- so you get comments like, "That's wrong" while they
don't tell you why.
[quote]Many posters' comments are lengthy.
So it is impossible to address errors unless you are interested
in taking time to discourse with them.
[/quote]Some people hope to wear others down when they post
lengthy comments.
I can't think of any insights right now I'd like to share -- but
please go ahead with yours. It might make me think of
something.
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Re: insights
By: paralambano Date: December 10, 2021, 3:34 pm
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Meshak - ^
Ya, here's one I'd like to share:
https://youtu.be/dK72pPa_gSE
That guy talking who a commentator said looks like a Bond
villain seems to be pretty smart.
But never no mind that if you don't care for it, Meshak. It's
your thread so lay it out what's bugging you or what you want to
share and I'll listen.
para . . . .
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Re: insights
By: meshak Date: December 10, 2021, 5:18 pm
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thank you, everyone.
when I read that, it was what I have been feeling when I read
the debate threads.
We were in the trinity thread and OP's comments were so lengthy,
and she made a lengthy reply to everyone's comments.
One lady was answering all her questions, yet she repeatedly
said to her "you are lying, I did not say that" over and over.
In fact the op was calling everyone who oppose her liying.
I told OP that she did not lie because the accused was deeply
insulted and bothered by it.
And one poster proved with the quotes OP is the one with lied.
We all knew she was lying because it was her core belief: Jesus
is God in the flesh.
She made it last about a month for that thread.
And we end up insulting each other and got banned all except
one.
I don't know why he did not get banned because he was in the
insulting game too.
And she is not a unique one, even though she is an extreme case.
In a nutshell, we can find something to learn from criticism
even though it sounds insulting.
We don't learn anything if we easily get hurt or insulted.
We waste our energy just feeling hurt.
BTW, Holand, how bad is your health condition?
It sounds serious
I hardly engage in the debate because it is usually result in
insulting game.
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Re: insights
By: meshak Date: December 10, 2021, 6:26 pm
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sinning against the Holy Spirit":
insightful quotes:
Luke 12:10
And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be
forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will
not be forgiven.
Matthew 12:31
And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be
forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.
God is Holy so it is clear that sinning against God will not be
forgiven but it is forgivable sin against Jesus.
So God the Father is defnately in hefty position.
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Re: insights
By: Kerry Date: December 11, 2021, 6:07 am
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[quote author=meshak link=topic=1510.msg29306#msg29306
date=1639182373]
sinning against the Holy Spirit":
insightful quotes:
Luke 12:10
And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be
forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will
not be forgiven.
Matthew 12:31
And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be
forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.
God is Holy so it is clear that sinning against God will not be
forgiven but it is forgivable sin against Jesus.
So God the Father is defnately in hefty position.
[/quote]The context tells us something. I'd say that some
people could sin against Jesus without blaspheming the Holy
Spirit while others sinned against Jesus and blasphemed the
Spirit as well.
Luke 12:10 8 Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me
before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the
angels of God:
9 But he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the
angels of God.
10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it
shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the
Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.
The context of Matthew may be even more interesting since the
topic came up right after people said very nasty things about
Jesus right after he had cast out a devil.
Matthew 12:24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This
fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of
the devils.
25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every
kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and
every city or house divided against itself shall not stand. . .
.
30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth
not with me scattereth abroad.
31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy
shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy
Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it
shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy
Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world,
neither in the world to come.
33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make
the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known
by his fruit.
34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good
things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth
speaketh.
These spiritual leaders once had the Holy Spirit dwelling within
themselves. They knew what the Spirit was. Their job had been
to teach the people of Israel about God; and since they had the
Spirit, they could have done it. When Jesus came along, they
felt threatened. They had grown rich and powerful from their
positions as religious leaders; and they feared Jesus might
change that. They saw the powerful expression of the Spirit
dwelling in Jesus as threat to themselves. John tells us what
they said after Lazarus had been resurrected:
John 11:47 Then gathered the chief priests and the Pharisees a
council, and said, What do we? for this man doeth many miracles.
48 If we let him thus alone, all men will believe on him: and
the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation.
49 And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that
same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all,
50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should
die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.
51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that
year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather
together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.
53 Then from that day forth they took counsel together for to
put him to death.
Caiaphas spoke prophetically as High Priest. He had been
anointed. He knew what the Spirit was yet denied Jesus had the
Spirit because he felt threatened by Jesus.
They remind me of Esau who sold his birthright for a little
porridge. These men had been blessed by God and knew many
things; but they also loved their positions of authority and
their money more than they loved God or their fellow man. The
Holy Spirit cannot continue to dwell in such temples. They
lied about Jesus, saying he healed using demonic forces when the
truth was he healed using the Holy Spirit; so they were lying
about the Holy Spirit too. They waned to keep the people
uninformed so they could continue to rule over them. They were
false shepherds who did not love the sheep since they loved
money and power more.
So I see it.
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Re: insights
By: paralambano Date: December 11, 2021, 8:00 am
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Meshak - ^
Are you saying that the OP's belief that Jesus is God in the
flesh makes them a liar? If so, could they just have a sincerely
held mistaken belief which wouldn't necessarily make them a liar
but just someone who is mistaken?
To be a liar one has to genuinely know the truth about something
and then lie about it. A lie has to have truth known preceding
it in order for it to be a lie since a lie can't be a lie about
nothing, in other words. Or did the OP state that they believe
Jesus is God then denied having said it when it can be proven
they did?
Maybe I'm missing some details about it?
para . . . .
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Re: insights
By: meshak Date: December 11, 2021, 8:22 am
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[quote author=paralambano link=topic=1510.msg29310#msg29310
date=1639231206]
Meshak - ^
Are you saying that the OP's belief that Jesus is God in the
flesh makes her a liar? [/quote]
Not at all.
she has been trying to persuade everyone one that she is not the
conventional mainstreamer.
she is doing that to prove that non-trins' position is all
unbiblical.
She does not want to be lumped up with mainstream trins.
She believes being one of the mainstream crowd, you are in the
wide road instead of the narrow.
She is the wife of trin pastor, so she has high pride.
that is all behind that shenanigan behavior.
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