Introduction
Introduction Statistics Contact Development Disclaimer Help
Return Create A Forum - Home
---------------------------------------------------------
Love God Only
https://lovegodonly.createaforum.com
---------------------------------------------------------
*****************************************************
Return to: Sports
*****************************************************
#Post#: 21541--------------------------------------------------
Re: Chelsea
By: Kerry Date: February 18, 2019, 5:07 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
[quote author=paralambano link=topic=1384.msg21540#msg21540
date=1550526784]
Kerry - ^^
I see that the crowd at Stamford Bridge were jeering Sarri and
chanting that he'll be fired tomorrow. I can understand the
frustration with no goals scored again with dominant stats. This
is not a god sign. Lose your fans in your park and it's coming
to a close. The fans will now likely turn to or on the owner.
para . . . .
[/quote]Yes, I read they were using profanity; but I also see
why they're angry. I just read what I thought was a sensible
analysis of the situation. It was written two days ago. Sarri
is in an impossible situation if you ask me.
Don�t just blame Sarri! Six big systemic problems at Chelsea
https://www.goal.com/en-in/news/dont-just-blame-sarri-six-big-systemic-problems…
Chelsea, though, appear to be without a plan and while getting
rid of Sarri may end up being necessary, it is also not a
fix-all solution.
While it's true sometimes managers should be fired, it's just
silly to think that firing one and hiring another manager can
solve all the problems. Clubs can be stupid if they ignore real
problems and think the only thing that ever needs changed is a
new manager. They can also be evil because the real culprits
can continue to undermine them while the managers get the blame.
While I think Sarri is somewhat naive at times, I think it's
pretty clear that firing him is not the answer.
I smiled when I read this:
Why would a top player or manager with many options choose
Chelsea over, say Manchester City, Bayern Munich, Juventus or
Barcelona?
It is hard to find an answer to that question, aside from
perhaps the opportunity to live in an international city like
London.
The disarray at the club makes it a risk for players to come in,
as they can expect an implosion every two years and the breaking
up of both the manager and parts of the team, based on recent
history anyway.
Chelsea need to be careful that they don't lose their London
advantage over rivals such as Arsenal and Tottenham now, with
three of their last four seasons spent outside of the Champions
League. Recruitment of the elite will soon prove even more
tricky than it has ever been since their 2003 ownership change.
For managers, it is even worse. You are likely to get blamed for
systemic issues, and the likes of Pep Guardiola and Diego
Simeone have already turned down Chelsea in the past due to
concerns around that exact issue.
Conversely, Conte's image has not been tarnished by his
struggles at Chelsea and neither would Sarri's, such is the
acceptance that the manager's role at Stamford Bridge has become
almost the impossible job.
I hadn't heard that Guardiola declined the job. Good for him.
#Post#: 21542--------------------------------------------------
Re: Chelsea
By: paralambano Date: February 19, 2019, 11:09 am
---------------------------------------------------------
Kerry - ^
Guardiola took the job at Bayern instead. I can't blame him for
that but if he wanted a real (non-Ronaldo) challenge ;), why
not go to Chelsea? That would really be a test of his mettle,
especially if he doesn't win the Champions League this season. I
would dare Abramovich to fire him. He'd have all the time he'd
need to whip the club into shape. Yes, Pep. Anything you say,
Pep. You're my Barcelona in Blue! I'll give as many players Man
City gave you to succeed there (13) and Jurgen got at Liverpool
(20)! If he won big titles there, he'd have to leave on good
terms because I doubt Abramovich would fire him after hearing
all the stories about himself turned on their heads. If he
failed and was fired, where does Abramovich go from there? It
would be a dividing line. You have just hired one of the top two
respected coaches globally if not the very best and fired him in
short order. Then I could say the problem's the owner. I can't
say it now. He's been too successful and Sarri's a riskier
proposition than Guardiola.
"Sarri's system is very rigid, it's very dogmatic. At Napoli, it
took him 18 months to get the team working the way that he
wanted - the side that, according to Guardiola, was the best he
had faced last season.
"The people who appointed him at Chelsea have to have known
that. He needs time, because if you don't give him that, then it
was a waste of time appointing him in the first place.
"It was always going to be a long-term solution to a big problem
at Chelsea. It was never going to be an overnight success.":
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11668/11641748/maurizio-sarris-sarribal…
The best opponent Guardiola had seen all season. High praise
indeed :).
�Two years ago you were probably asking the same questions to
Pep Guardiola. I do remember you asking him, 'is that the case
that you keep playing from the back?'
�And I remember the answers of Pep, saying, 'this is not in
discussion, this is part of my game, I know I am going through
this difficult moment, and I don't change it�.�
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/760298/Chelsea-news-Gianfranco-Zola-…
Pep Guardiola. Stubborn :)? Won't change his system? Playing
out from the back? Not the English way when he first came, and
now? More clubs are doing it. It's a ridiculous question to my
ears since I watch Italian and Spanish soccer and you might be
surprised to discover that there are football media in Britain
who don't. There are some there that don't want these guys to
succeed in England because, well, British football is the best!
Yet, not one British manager in Champions League spots.
In Spain, Italy, playing out from the back, like fish to water.
By the way, I wouldn't hire Simeone for his type of football.
I'd take Eusebio Sacrist�n, Quique Seti�n, or Pablo Machin
instead.
para . . . .
#Post#: 21544--------------------------------------------------
Re: Chelsea
By: paralambano Date: February 19, 2019, 4:09 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
Maurizio! You're a Cruyff lion you! :)
If Plan A doesn�t work, you don�t go to Plan B. You do a better
job with Plan A. (Johan Cruyff)
para . . . .
#Post#: 21547--------------------------------------------------
Re: Chelsea
By: Kerry Date: February 20, 2019, 7:02 am
---------------------------------------------------------
For now . . . I ran across some comments from Pogba about how he
and the team at Manchester United interact with management. I
think this kind of esprit de corps is missing at Chelsea.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/soccer/pogba-explains-solskjaers-secret-he-tru…
Take Manchester United�s 2018-19 season as the latest example of
what a positive atmosphere around a club can do for results on
the field.
When Jose Mourinho was fired on Dec. 18, Man United sat sixth in
the Premier League table and had won just two of their last
eight games. Under the direction of Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, the
Red Devils have failed to win just twice in 13 games (all
competitions) and have climbed up to fourth in the PL, along
with reaching the quarterfinals of the FA Cup with a resounding
2-0 victory away to Chelsea on Monday.
After their triumph at Stamford Bridge, Paul Pogba, who�s been
nothing short of a born-again megastar under new management and
raised the bar once again with a goal and assist on Monday,
praised Solskjaer for creating an atmosphere � built around
�trust� � that the players once again enjoy, and that is a big
reason why the club�s fortunes have turned around so sharply �
quotes from the Standard and the BBC:
�He trusts us and we trust him. We go for it. You never know if
you are going to win it, but we will play to win.�
�It is a beautiful win. Today was a great performance from the
team, all of them. It wasn�t easy. We did it. We are really
pleased with that win.
�The team helped me get to my best. I give everything for them.
They help me score goals and get assists. We are enjoying
playing together.�
As for Solskjaer�s tactical approach, which has seen Pogba more
involved in the attack than during Mourinho�s rigid tenure, it�s
clearly by design, and it�s clearly suiting Pogba well:
�The tactics worked. We asked Ander (Herrera) and Paul, our
midfielders next to Nemanja (Matic), to go a bit higher and get
into the box more often with Rom (Lukaku) and Marcus (Rashford)
wide, so it worked.�
#Post#: 21549--------------------------------------------------
Re: Chelsea
By: paralambano Date: February 20, 2019, 11:35 am
---------------------------------------------------------
Kerry - ^
I don't think it's a lack of team-spirit at Chelsea for the most
part. It doesn't help however when Hazard says it's his dream to
play in Spain and appears to be wanting to leave. It's a matter
of time and the right kind of players. I think Sarri kept most
of his players as new coaches generally do the first half of the
season to assess their strengths and weaknesses, to see who
they'll retain and sell.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g60Nf9hDiyg
The thing is, at Man U, they had the wrong man for the kind of
football Man U are globally renowned for playing - -
attacking. Mourinho is primarily a defensive-minded coach which
is okay when you need to tighten up your defense but not as an
overriding strategy. You might have read the numbered points of
Mourinho's "philosophy" of football in the article I've given.
It's a negative approach. The coach they have now is a famed
alumnus of the club. It's like Zidane returned to Real.
Assuredly, the club's spirits were lifted in both cases, seeing
a successful one of their own taking charge of them. Now,
they'll be let off the leash to play like the club did in the
glory days of old and so far it's been successful under Ole
Gunnar Solskj�r. Some are wanting him as permanent manager.
Sarri has no such history with Chelsea or in England.
Chelsea have no such problem with Sarri since he's brought
attacking football to them even though the results don't yet
show it especially against the bigger clubs. In Mourinho's first
and second season there, Chelsea played decent attacking
football under him, but in the second he had them slowly revert
to the defensive style which stilled earned him points. This
started to choke the team at the beginning of the third. I don't
know what it is. It could be he gets all-the-more
defensive-minded when he sees attacking teams doing well
elsewhere. I'm thinking that his rejection by Barcelona might
have something to do with his views, but I'm just speculating.
para . . . .
#Post#: 21550--------------------------------------------------
Re: Chelsea
By: Kerry Date: February 20, 2019, 1:08 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
He looks worried to me in that video. Lack of confidence?
That equates to a lack of trust in my book. I saw some stats in
that one game, and the number of shots that went wild was
astonishing! How could anyone trust others on the team to
score or do what Sarri wants?
He also said something slightly contradictory. First he said
the players are working for the manager. Then he added that of
course the top priority is making goals. That shows some mental
confusion on the subject to me. So what do you do if your
manager tells you to do things that you don't think will result
in goals? Do you obey him and not make the goals, or do you
break with his advice to make goals with the belief that he
won't be angry with you if you make the goals? I have zero
data to back up the opinion, but I also think players may have
complained about Sarri perhaps to the board; and the board may
have told them to do their best to make goals. Try to please
Sarri but making goals was more important. That would be
undermining Sarri -- and I see it as quite possible. It would
be even worse if rumors were being spread (from the inside of
Chelsea via staff) that Abramovich was looking to replace Sarri
-- so stumble along with him until the board and Abramovich can
find someone better. As I say, I have nothing to back that up;
but then I'd be surprised to find that kind of evidence in that
kind of situation. Somebody starts rumors, that's for sure; and
the people spreading them are not Sarri's allies who want him to
succeed and to stay. I've seen that kind of rumor-mongering in
places I worked at. It's bad for morale, and it erodes trust;
and it creates confusion. Sarri said there was confusion. You
tell me who's creating it! I think that under stress, Sarri has
contributed to it somewhat; but I don't think he started it or
wants it. I think he has enemies inside the board who want it.
I'm telling you the players are not obeying Sarri. They have
their own opinions and think they know better. Okay, maybe
players do know better than managers from time to time; but if
they go too far astray, odds are they create confusion on the
pitch. That's what's going on. Sarri said as much himself
when he said he saw confusion on the pitch.
[quote]I don't think it's a lack of team-spirit at Chelsea for
the most part. It doesn't help however when Hazard says it's his
dream to play in Spain and appears to be wanting to leave. It's
a matter of time and the right kind of players.[/quote]
How Eden handled the pitch invader told me a lot about his
character. Other people were annoyed or concerned. He said it
didn't really bother him. The guy asked for his shirt, and Eden
gave it to him. That tells me that Hazard likes to relax and
assume the best. Suggesting he wants to go to Spain? I think
his patience may be running thin. Guys who are relaxed and
assume the best can be played for a long time. Tell them maybe
next week or maybe next month. You can keep postponing things;
and it's clear whoever's running Chelsea is not doing much to
motivate Hazard to stay. I think they may be thinking maybe
they can find someone better and maybe cheaper. Who knows?
[quote]The thing is, at Man U, they had the wrong man for the
kind of football Man U are globally renowned for playing - -
attacking. Mourinho is primarily a defensive-minded coach which
is okay when you need to tighten up your defense but not as an
overriding strategy. You might have read the numbered points of
Mourinho's "philosophy" of football in the article I've given.
It's a negative approach. The coach they have now is a famed
alumnus of the club. It's like Zidane returned to Real.
Assuredly, the club's spirits were lifted in both cases, seeing
a successful one of their own taking charge of them. Now,
they'll be let off the leash to play like the club did in the
glory days of old and so far it's been successful under Ole
Gunnar Solskj�r. Some are wanting him as permanent
manager.[/quote]
What I took away from that interview was a belief that Solskj�r
studies the teams he plays and makes slight adjustments in what
he thinks the best tactics would be. He is probably flexible
in how he deploys the players depending on who the opponents
are. A good manager who really knows his stuff in detail is
going to be able to make intelligent decisions; and if he was
right in the past, his players will trust him even if they
don't grasp all the information behind the decisions.
We do not see Barcelona pursuing the identical strategy in every
match. We don't see Messi always doing the same thing. We see
him sometimes luring the opponents to come after him when that
was his plan all along. Then he passes the ball to another
player whose chances are better. I'd wager that there are
discussions about this in the locker room before the match with
the coach predicting which strategy he thinks the opponents will
use and what he thinks best to counter them; and more, he may
add the team has to be ready for other strategies from the
opponents. If they decide to deploy only one player to guard
Messi, by all means change the style of play -- don't follow
rigid advice from a coach who gives commands before the match
based on his predictions of how the opponents are going to play.
I think maybe Sarri is weak in this area. You wrote that
Mourinho varied his style over time. Perhaps managers need to
be more flexible and vary it from match to match, depending on
who they're up against. Sometimes they even need to vary it by
pulling certain players and sending in substitutes, as you know.
I was amazed when I checked the score at 75 minutes and found
it was 2-0 and Sarri hadn't sent in any substitutes. Any
single player is apt to have a bad day; and the shots that were
on target tells me probably more than one was having a bad day.
Pulling a player for that is not a humiliation. It shouldn't
be. If the manager wants to help players save face, he can
also remark that he hopes fresh players can help.
There is something else that suggests to me that Sarri is not
the mental wizard some imagine. I see him taking notes a lot.
During matches! That's horrible in my book. He's seeing
parts of the match and not other parts. His attention needs to
be focusing all the time on the pitch. If he wants to take
notes, get an assistant to write things down or get a tape
recorder. Can you imagine a player taking notes on the pitch?
It's silly. If a good player botches something, he'll make a
mental note of it; and you can be sure he won't forget it. It
will be ingrained in his mind as something he wants to improve
on.
He missed his calling. I would like to see him at an American
club and put in charge of an academy. If he wants to train
people to his style, give him young players with young minds.
He might produce splendid results that would startle us all; and
he wouldn't have to deal with all the nonsense he has to put up
with at Chelsea.
The player in the video mentioned "ups and downs." That's what
you expect when there's a chaos merchant somewhere. I may have
my criticisms of Sarri; but I have to admit they were having a
splendid run before crashing and burning. I don't -- I can't
-- attribute the major cause of that to Sarri or to any of the
players. Their motive is to win. The good run showed me
that. Someone undermined him and them.
#Post#: 21551--------------------------------------------------
Re: Chelsea
By: paralambano Date: February 20, 2019, 3:13 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
Kerry - ^
Yesterday Barca 0 Lyon 0. Bayern Munich 0 Liverpool 0. All huge
clubs and not a one of them scored. Barca's been on a slide, not
winning matches and their passing and finishing's been poor.
These things happen to even the most experienced and title-
winning coaches. I don't think Sarri's worried as much as
frustrated with his team's lack of aggression in the boxes. That
's the problem he's identified. He certainly dismissed any
concern over fan reactions. He said the right thing over it. His
concern is with the play on the pitch.
Abramovich would look bad firing Sarri now. After all, he let
Mourinho drag the club to within a point of the relegation zone
and stuck with him. It woukd indicate to me that he really
wasn't committed to bringing Sarriball to Chelsea and would
rather go for the quick fix with another. What's surprising to
me is his absence from Stamford Bridge. My understanding is that
he can still enter England with another type of visa. What I
don't like is his silence on the matter. Does he support him or
not? I suppose so so far since he hasn't fired him yet, but a
public statement requesting patience would indicate whether his
plan was long-term.
Most big stars give their shirts away to adoring fans. It looks
terrible when they don't.
I haven't seen any player working against Sarri's system on
purpose. Rather, Sarri seems to be indicating that the issue is
in the boxes. When you're in the opponent's box, there's no way
that you're not wanting to score, only that it's difficult to do
so there. Look at the chances Barca had v Lyon in and around
there and see how frustrated they were. This happens often
enough and rather steadily lately for the blaugrana.
Kerry, there are good managers and then there innovators. I'm on
the lookout for the novel in football because it's rare enough
in the sport. I've seen many good managers, tinkerers, who
didn't add anything to the game. There are only a few of the
other kind, and I believe Sarri is one of them because I have
seen Napoli play Sarriball. Sure, it could all end in failure in
England, but I dig the risk-takers and innovators. It's like why
I like Barca because they play Barca-ball, no matter what. They
have an identifiable style. There are greater and lesser
versions of it but essentially it's a suicidal, risk-taking
high-line played with possession that can be hit on a counter by
speedy teams. What saves them has been strong defences and great
keepers. And when they're in form, they will outscore opponents.
Not everyone is enamoured of Barcelona's style, even under Pep
but they showed the world something new and successful. I hope
Sarri succeeds because he's an innovator, someone who thinks
about the game and applies it to the pitch. This should not be a
game geared toward the timid.
No way will Sarri at 60 go to an Academy. Kids, hold your
breaths. I'm about to have a smoke! He's earned his way into the
big leagues. If he can't succeed there, who would want his
system at an Academy? Big ideas are first tested in the big
stages and then trickle down to other age brackets It's the
big- time actors who have the greatest influence.
Kerry, some coaches take notes. It's Sarri's system so he should
be seeing things and recording them. I don't think he misses
much. He likely does much of it at whistles.
Pep didn't vary his style and he's the greater manager over
Mourinho and mos others Real doesn't vary its style. It still
plays the same sort of football even without Cristiano. There
are just greater and lesser versions of it. After Alex Ferguson,
Man U varied its style with a succession of coaches and it got
them little success. First, the style ought to be ingrained in a
club and that's the process now trying to take hold at Chelsea.
The only chaos Sarri is focused on now is what's happening in
the boxes. Sure, those who don't like Sarri, his system,
Abramovich, might try to undermine, but Sarri appears to be
zoned in on the mechanics of his system alone which tells me
that he's letting all the negativity ride.
para . . . .
#Post#: 21552--------------------------------------------------
Re: Chelsea
By: Kerry Date: February 20, 2019, 4:40 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
[quote author=paralambano link=topic=1384.msg21551#msg21551
date=1550697233] My understanding is that he can still enter
England with another type of visa. What I don't like is his
silence on the matter. Does he support him or not? I suppose so
so far since he hasn't fired him yet, but a public statement
requesting patience would indicate whether his plan was
long-term.[/quote]Yes, he can visit the UK on a visitor visa,
but he's too busy going to the opera and ballet in Moscow.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/8467820/abramovich-opera-chelsea/
#Post#: 21553--------------------------------------------------
Re: Chelsea
By: paralambano Date: February 21, 2019, 3:33 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
Kerry - ^
Sheesh! Billionaires!
Assistant: Sir, it's Thursday evening. It's off to La Scala!
Friday has you at Madame La Pompadour's garden soiree and she
won't hear of any of your fashionably late nonsense from you, my
dear, she cursively writes.
Chelsea leading Malmo amidst the vitriol, flares, and streaker
with a goal by Olivier Giroud (agg: 3-1) in the 55th '.
2-0 now. Barkley 74th '. 4-1 agg.
Another goal. Hudson-Odoi 84th '. 5-1 aggregate. Chelsea through
to next round on a clinical treble in the second-half.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/47303998
para . . . .
#Post#: 21555--------------------------------------------------
Re: Chelsea
By: Kerry Date: February 21, 2019, 7:17 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
^ So were Higuain and Hazard playing? No. It's a mystery to
me why they didn't; but Sarri is lucky they won. Can you
imagine the outrage if they had lost with two top players being
benched?
https://www.goal.com/en-us/news/we-can-beat-anyone-in-this-competition-hudson-o…
The 18-year-old winger was making his third start in the Europa
League, but still awaits the same chance in the Premier League,
where he has been limited to just four substitute appearances.
Frustration over playing time led Hudson-Odoi to submit a
transfer request in hopes of securing a move to Bayern Munich,
with the Bundesliga champions open about their desire to sign
then teen.
Chelsea assistant Gianfranco Zola previously claimed Hudson-Odoi
was liked by the coaches and challenged him to force his way
past the Chelsea veterans in the line-up.
Treated to chants by the fans wishing he would stay with the
club, Hudson-Odoi, even with the goal, expressed hope he had
done enough to impress and play a role in the proceedings.
"Hopefully I did well and made an impact,� Hudson-Odoi said.
Chelsea�s next contest comes in the Carabao Cup final Sunday
against Manchester City, who hammered them in the Premier League
6-0 on February 10.
All's well that ends well. So Hudson-Odoi is happy to get some
play time and a goal; and Higuain and Hazard got some rest. And
Sarri gets to hold onto his job another day or so.
*****************************************************
Previous Page
Next Page
You are viewing proxied material from gopher.createaforum.com. The copyright of proxied material belongs to its original authors. Any comments or complaints in relation to proxied material should be directed to the original authors of the content concerned. Please see the disclaimer for more details.