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Storm at Google over engineer's anti-diversity manifesto
By: guest6 Date: August 7, 2017, 7:32 pm
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This guy sounds like a real Neanderthal. Can I say that? :D
Storm at Google over engineer's anti-diversity manifesto
By Jackie Wattles
Updated 8:40 AM EDT, Mon August 07, 2017
Yonatan Zunger, a former senior engineer who recently left the
company, responded in a Medium post.
"Despite speaking very authoritatively, the author does not
appear to understand gender," he wrote. "Perhaps more
interestingly, the author does not appear to understand
engineering."
CNNMoney)Google executives have responded to a 3,300-word
manifesto written by one of its male engineers that argues women
aren't suited for tech jobs for "biological" reasons.
The document has been circulating inside Google for some time,
but it was made public by Motherboard on Saturday. Recode and
Gizmodo published the document in full.
Over the weekend, Google diversity vice president Danielle Brown
and engineering VP Ari Balogh addressed the controversial
document in separate messages to Google employees.
Brown and Balogh condemned the document's assertions and
defended Google's diversity efforts.
The author, who has not been identified by CNN Tech, is
reportedly a rank-and-file software engineer at Google. He
contended that Google doesn't have more female engineers because
men have a "higher drive for status."
He argued that the company's diversity programs -- including
seminars that teach young girls coding skills -- are "highly
politicized." The diversity work, he said, "alienates
non-progressives." He also said he believes that Google's
commitment to hire more women stands to make the company less
competitive, and that the gender wage gap is a myth.
The author wrote that higher rates of anxiety disorders among
women may explain why there are "lower numbers of women in high
stress jobs."
Under the heading "Reply to public response and
misrepresentation" -- the screed's author insists that he is
"not denying that sexism exists," and he doesn't "endorse using
stereotypes."
Another Twitter user, who identifies herself as a programmer,
said she is considering leaving the company if Google's human
resources "does nothing."
An annual diversity report the company made public in June
showed that about 69% of its total workforce is male, and 56% of
all employees are white. [/b]
https://amp.cnn.com/money/2017/08/06/technology/culture/google-diversity/index.…
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Re: Storm at Google over engineer's anti-diversity manifesto
By: Kerry Date: August 7, 2017, 8:17 pm
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[quote]The author wrote that higher rates of anxiety disorders
among women may explain why there are "lower numbers of women in
high stress jobs."[/quote]This might be true -- and if it is,
maybe we should ask why it is. I think the business world is
still largely run in a "macho man" kind of way that doesn't seem
that effective to me. People work long hours, work at home,
work like crazy often getting little done but still working and
stressing out. Often too the company culture is so
competitive, you have to ask if anyone ever cooperates with
anyone else?
Then there are the insecure men who enjoy bossing others around
-- I had another store manager (who was a man, by the way) say
of this kind of person, "You wouldn't have to pay them much.
Just give them a title and that would be enough. They like to
think they're the boss." Right now, we see this sort of thing
in Washington. People give up higher paying jobs just to work
in Washington to get the fancy titles and power. . . and the
"privilege" of working with the President. Oh yes, we see some
women doing it too; but I think it's more a male phenomenon.
I think it's usually a mistake to promote the aggressive person
who wants to get ahead and doesn't care how -- who causes
problems within a company or organization by failing to
cooperate with others. We see how often men become CEO's only
to drive a company into bankruptcy -- while they get million
dollar bonuses for being terminated. They may look good at
first -- "real go-getters" -- but the truth is they're often
interested more in self-promotion than working
shoulder-to-shoulder with others for the good of the company,
the good of their customers, and the good of shareholders.
[quote]He contended that Google doesn't have more female
engineers because men have a "higher drive for
status."[/quote]That could also be true. I think it probably
is; and that is the very reason I would want more women in these
jobs and promote them more! When you hire or promote someone,
it shouldn't be because that person wants it so much. If
someone wants something for himself too much, employers should
see a red flag. Danger may lie ahead. Forget about how much
someone wants status -- reward ability to work in groups
harmoniously as well as do things alone.
One of the Founding Fathers argued against the popular election
of Presidents saying something like, "If we did that, the only
people running would be people that shouldn't have the job."
For decades, people running pretended not to be by staying home
in their other jobs while surrogates went out campaigning for
them. I forget who was the first person to go out campaigning
for himself. It used to be frowned on -- now it's expected --
but experience should tell us that the people aggressively
seeking power are the ones who frequently abuse it when they get
it. Is it worth arguing about? It looks obvious to me.
So what is this argument about not having more female engineers
because men have a higher drive for status? The question
should be who is qualified and motivated to do a good job?
It's not who wants the job the most to satisfy his ego.
This macho man thing needs to stop. It's not good for women,
that's for sure; but it's also not good for men. We should not
be teaching young boys that their "self-esteem" depends on being
Number One by being antisocial. No wonder we see top people
in business indicted for crimes. Companies often promote
antisocial types. Uber did it. Now the news is coming out
that Fox News seems to have done it -- yes, I suppose women
working at Fox might get stressed out and have anxiety
disorders. Is that their fault, or is it because insecure men
are trying to bolster their ego and feel like "real men" by
treating women like objects?
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Re: Storm at Google over engineer's anti-diversity manifesto
By: Kerry Date: August 10, 2017, 10:51 am
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I heard on the radio that the fellow who wrote that manifesto
thought the difference between men and women was biological or
genetic. What can I say? I don't agree with that.
He also got fired. I don't agree with that either. Google was
trying to be politically correct, that's what I think. Why
didn't they respond to his points? Why fire him? Maybe they
need women running Google, women who don't feel so threatened
when others disagree with them. If Google really knew what the
problem was and was doing all the right things, how do they
explain the lack of diversity? He also said Google was like
"an ideological echo chamber." Google just proved he was right
about that. He didn't echo back the right words and got fired.
Google's back in the news.
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2017/08/09/google-accused-of-gender-discrimina…
Dozens of women have come forward accusing the tech-giant of
gender discrimination.
When civil rights attorney James Finberg asked on social media
if any female google employees out there thought they were
unfairly getting paid less than male coworkers, the phone
started ringing.
Finberg said, �In my experience, having 70 people call you when
you put up a post about a company is a very large outpouring of
dissatisfaction. So I think it�s telling and a matter of
concern.�
Back in April, the Office of Federal Contractor Compliance
Programs (OFCCP), a division of the Department of Labor,
testified in federal court about an ongoing investigation into
Google�s pay practices.
In a report by The Guardian, the OFCCP said, �The department has
received compelling evidence of very significant discrimination
against women in the most common positions at Google
headquarters�discrimination against women in google is quite
extreme��
Finberg said, �They complained to human resources and nothing
was done about it.�
Finberg, based in San Francisco, is now preparing to file a
class-action lawsuit, after interviewing dozens of current and
former google employees.
He says the women complained they were getting paid a quarter to
a third less than men doing the same work.
Finberg said, �The culture at Google is hostile to women. Women
tend to be channeled into what are perceived to be softer
positions. User interface positions, design positions. Men get
the code positions. Code positions are more highly paid and more
highly valued at Google.�
Google has fired back with two detailed blog posts, saying, �We
were quite surprised when�the OFCCP accused us of not
compensating women fairly.�
�We were taken aback by this assertion, which came without any
supporting data or methodology�,� Google claims. �Our annual
analysis shows no gender pay gap at Google.�
Google claims, �OFCCP has not taken sufficient steps to learn
how our systems work and may not have accurately understood
them.�
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Re: Storm at Google over engineer's anti-diversity manifesto
By: guest6 Date: August 10, 2017, 2:32 pm
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[quote author=Kerry link=topic=1257.msg15827#msg15827
date=1502380273]
I heard on the radio that the fellow who wrote that manifesto
thought the difference between men and women was biological or
genetic. What can I say? I don't agree with that.[/Quote]
I don't agree with that either.
[Quote]He also got fired. I don't agree with that either.
Google was trying to be politically correct, that's what I
think. Why didn't they respond to his points? Why fire him?
Maybe they need women running Google, women who don't feel so
threatened when others disagree with them. If Google really
knew what the problem was and was doing all the right things,
how do they explain the lack of diversity? He also said Google
was like "an ideological echo chamber." Google just proved he
was right about that. He didn't echo back the right words and
got fired. [/Quote]
They said he was creating a hostile working environment for
women. That it "advanced harmful gender stereotypes", and
violated the company's code of conduct.
What was Google doing by discriminating against women in hiring
and work positions and the gender wage gap. It sounds like
Google is advancing harmful gender stereotypes. And that's not
the only stereotype Google is advancing considering that 56% of
all employees are white.
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