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#Post#: 13645--------------------------------------------------
Oh, Xi!
By: paralambano Date: January 3, 2017, 8:56 am
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So, Arsene Wenger could be right. The Chinese might be trying to
move a whole league of footballers out of Europe into the
fatherland:
http://qz.com/627311/chinas-soccer-teams-spent-430-million-buying-new-players-t…
http://qz.com/627311/chinas-soccer-teams-spent-430-million-buying-new-players-t…
which is in part okay by me since younger players then take
their spots :). CR7 has said this:
http://www.espnfc.com/real-madrid/story/3030169/real-madrids-cristiano-ronaldo-…
http://www.espnfc.com/real-madrid/story/3030169/real-madrids-cristiano-ronaldo-…
and you know, there are still half-filled stadiums there with
the game sub-par so far by Euro standards:
http://qz.com/803380/chinas-soccer-fans-are-protesting-in-the-streets-after-the…
http://qz.com/803380/chinas-soccer-fans-are-protesting-in-the-streets-after-the…
so, it can never always be just about $$ I suppose.
para . . . .
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Re: Oh, Xi!
By: Kerry Date: January 3, 2017, 7:54 pm
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I found the references money amusing.
Fans� anger was focused on Cai Zhenhua, the head of the Chinese
football association, who took office in 2014. The association
chose Gao Hongbo, the current national team coach, and in 2016
paid him from 800,000 yuan to one million yuan ($120,000 to
$150,000), 41 times (link in Chinese) of that of Ayman Hakeem,
coach of the Syrian team, Chinese news outlets report.
All that money without any delivered results! And:
Chinese fans interviewed by LeTV, an online news station, said
the soccer team�s performance was so bad they wanted their money
back. �How can you do this to us? I demand a refund,� a man
wearing a red-scarf with five yellow stars and �China� printed
on it shouted to the camera.
This is very amusing. I guess his theory was if you put down
cash to buy tickets, you deserve to see your team win.
Similarly if you pay someone an outrageous sum, you can be sure
he'll deliver results?
Chinese soccer teams have spent hundreds of millions of dollars
luring foreign players to China�s Super League. But the national
team is made up entirely of Chinese players, who lost to the
war-torn country after Mahmoud Al-Mawas made a second-half goal
in the 54th minute.
I'm not sure the average Chinese physique is ideally suited for
football. I'm also not sure spending all that money to attract
talent from other countries will pan out.
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Re: Oh, Xi!
By: paralambano Date: January 4, 2017, 8:48 am
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Kerry -
[quote]I found the references money amusing. [/quote]
Ya. I found the comparison with prostitution odd and oddly
amusing. I hope that it's not a common metaphor there :-[.
[quote]I'm not sure the average Chinese physique is ideally
suited for football.[/quote]
I'd have to say they are well-suited when they have a low center
of gravity and can be acrobatic. They can still have tall
strikers (see Chinese basketball team) in the box.
[quote]I'm also not sure spending all that money to attract
talent from other countries will pan out.
[/quote]
It could be that it's like Pokemon Go. All the rage at the
moment then . . . .
The thing is that for many, it's a question of national pride
and I doubt that the Chinese are lacking this motivator and
money. In order to have a decent national team, you need decent
national footballers. One way of getting decent national
footballers is to have a decent national league. Canada has none
professionally. This is why we go nowhere when it comes to this
hugely popular sport. Our kids learn the sport coached by their
teachers and parents (soccer moms) and some go on into the few
academies there are and then what? There's nowhere for them to
play here where they can earn what others do in national
leagues. It's seen as a kid's game here by many - - a game in
some part for girls where they won't get hurt as they do in
other sports not a real man's sport like hockey. Moms like it
for their kids male and female because they think it's safer
(when it actually isn't later). There's no expert
infrastructure. Jason de Vos (appointed Director of Development)
hopes to change this here. This is the slower route and it could
have been started way earlier in Canada.
The Chinese are trying to speed this process by learning the
game by osmosis bringing in managers and players from abroad to
mix with their nationals. They do it simply because they can
now. And this is an expeditious way of improving when one has
the money to do it. They'll learn a lot from the experience of
some of the best in the world in a short time however short or
long it takes for them to genuinely compete for the World Cup.
The latest Euro "casualty"? Zenit-St. Petersburg's Axel Witsel
who rejected an offer from one of the most storied clubs in
world football and one of the top five Champions League
contenders perenially - Serie A's Juventus FC in the beauty of
Turin for a four-year deal in China. His reason? There was an
offer he just couldn't turn down for his family.
para . . . .
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Re: Oh, Xi!
By: Kerry Date: January 5, 2017, 3:59 pm
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I find it that amount of money spent on foreign talent almost
appalling considering China's massive problem with capital
flight -- they don't think that $430 million is going to stay in
China, do they?
From the BBC
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04mnsjk:
[quote]We're looking at the growing pressures on China's
economy. More than three quarters of a trillion dollars leached
overseas last year, despite the government's best efforts to
limit capital flight. A new year and new government rules, but
can the central bank stop faith dwindling in the world's second
biggest economy? And should they even be trying? We hear from a
Chinese money-smuggler, ordinary citizens concerned about
corruption, and from the BBC's Asia-Pacific regional editor,
Celia Hatton, who believes there's mounting anxiety about the
capital flight problem in Beijing. [/quote]
Half a billion here, half a billion there, and pretty soon it
adds up to real money.
I suppose the massive sums spent on their military may also be
to impress the President? Surely, that provides some jobs;
but it's also creating international tension. Whatever other
countries thought about China in the past, they did not see
China as a huge military threat. The result may be another arms
race in the region -- a lot of money being spent on arms when it
could have been better spent.
The Chinese government seems out of control. Their spending
on building new housing was a disaster with new cities being
built where no one lives. Now their latest project is spending
$361 billion on renewable energy.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-energy-renewables-idUSKBN14P06P
[quote]China will plow 2.5 trillion yuan ($361 billion) into
renewable power generation by 2020, the country's energy agency
said on Thursday, as the world's largest energy market continues
to shift away from dirty coal power towards cleaner fuels.
The investment will create over 13 million jobs in the sector,
the National Energy Administration (NEA) said in a blueprint
document that lays out its plan to develop the nation's energy
sector during the five-year 2016 to 2020 period.
The NEA said installed renewable power capacity including wind,
hydro, solar and nuclear power will contribute to about half of
new electricity generation by 2020.
The agency did not disclose more details on where the funds,
which equate to about $72 billion each year, would be spent.
Still, the investment reflects Beijing's continued focus on
curbing the use of fossil fuels, which have fostered the
country's economic growth over the past decade, as it ramps up
its war on pollution.[/quote]
What took so long anyway? The amount of money spent on coal
from Australia? My estimate is it used to be about $12 billion
but it's been falling. This new plan to curb the use of coal
should reduce that even further; and the Australian government
which banked so much on its trade with China will feel the
pinch. There you go though -- next time, don't let the Yanks
build a military base in your country!
Is President Xi thinking ahead more than five or ten years?
Suppose they do create 13 million new jobs creating all kinds of
new energy facilities? What happens when they've build
everything they can use? Will they need to find a new Five
Year Plan to create another wave of jobs?
I remain skeptical about it all.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beijing_National_Stadium
[quote]The stadium was designed for use throughout the 2008
Summer Olympics and Paralympics and will be used again in the
2022 Winter Olympics and Paralympics. The stadium is currently
mostly unused, after having been unsuccessfully suggested as the
permanent headquarters of the Beijing soccer team.[/quote]
Another $400 million down the tubes.
[quote]On its first anniversary, 8 August 2009, the stadium
hosted a performance of the opera Turandot, and the 2009
Supercoppa Italiana (Italian Super Cup) final, the traditional
curtain raiser to the Italian football league season. In August
2011, the Bird's Nest once again hosted the Supercoppa Italiana,
the stadium's second in three years, and also in 2012.
The Beijing Guo�an football club was scheduled to play at the
stadium, but later backed out of their agreement, citing the
embarrassment of using an 80,000+ seat venue for games that
routinely draw only slightly more than 10,000.
In July 2010, the stadium hosted a friendly football match
between Football League Championship team Birmingham City and
Beijing Guoan as a part of Birmingham's pre-season trip to
China, homeland of the club's owner Carson Yeung. Birmingham
City recorded a 1�0 victory in the game.
Arsenal and Manchester City played each other in the inaugural
�China Cup�, a one-off match in Beijing�s played on 27 July
2012. Manchester City won the match with a score of 2�0.
The Stadium was also used for the China PR national football
team international matches during the 2018 FIFA World Cup
qualifiers, however Team Dragon hasn't played any matches since
the opening of the stadium.
On 25 July 2016 Manchester City were scheduled to meet
Manchester United as part of the 2016 International Champions
Cup. However the game was cancelled due to heavy rain soaking
the pitch, poor pitch conditions due to fungus and the pitch
being relaid with turf.[/quote]
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Re: Oh, Xi!
By: paralambano Date: January 6, 2017, 8:37 am
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Kerry -
[quote]I find it that amount of money spent on foreign talent
almost appalling considering China's massive problem with
capital flight -- they don't think that $430 million is going to
stay in China, do they?
[/quote]
They're enriching clubs off-shore by transfer fees. In return
they get worldwide interest in their league and a learning
experience by way of elite athletes and management in country.
The end-game might be worldwide television broadcast money.
[quote]Half a billion here, half a billion there, and pretty
soon it adds up to real money.
I suppose the massive sums spent on their military may also be
to impress the President? Surely, that provides some jobs;
but it's also creating international tension. Whatever other
countries thought about China in the past, they did not see
China as a huge military threat. The result may be another arms
race in the region -- a lot of money being spent on arms when it
could have been better spent.]I suppose the massive sums spent
on their military may also be to impress the President?
Surely, that provides some jobs; but it's also creating
international tension. Whatever other countries thought about
China in the past, they did not see China as a huge military
threat. The result may be another arms race in the region -- a
lot of money being spent on arms when it could have been better
spent.[/quote]
I say spend it on healthy things. It's a drop in the bucket
compared to the arms race.
[quote]Another $400 million down the tubes.[/quote]
The world ought to build a permanent site or at least co-host
these games. Elite athletes can do well just about anywhere
except for poor conditions.
para . . . .
#Post#: 13664--------------------------------------------------
Re: Oh, Xi!
By: Kerry Date: January 6, 2017, 5:21 pm
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[quote author=paralambano link=topic=1150.msg13659#msg13659
date=1483713442]
Kerry -
They're enriching clubs off-shore by transfer fees. In return
they get worldwide interest in their league and a learning
experience by way of elite athletes and management in country.
The end-game might be worldwide television broadcast
money.[/quote]They could also be setting themselves up for
failure and scorn. Importing good players may improve things
to a degree; but they can't import an entire team. As you
know, how a good player performs often depends on his teammates.
Renaldo said he's not interested in a Chinese deal.
http://www.espnfc.com/real-madrid/story/3030169/real-madrids-cristiano-ronaldo-…
[quote]I say spend it on healthy things. It's a drop in the
bucket compared to the arms race.[/quote]
Ah, but half a billion here and half a billion there. China
already faces a severe problem since so many rich Chinese want
to get their money out of China. Some are also plotting to
make sure their children can be US citizens by sending pregnant
women to the US to give birth -- mostly to California.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/01/china-us-birth-tourism_n_7187180.html
I don't see China spending money to import sports figures as
healthy. I also don't see it as healthy for the US to spend
money importing educated people to do jobs because they say
there aren't enough Americans to do them. Nor is it healthy
or wise for the UK to be importing so many health care
professionals. If your country has a problem with talent or
skill, the solution isn't to buy people from other countries.
PM May in the UK realized this and said she hopes the UK is able
to train enough doctors by 2025 to be self-sufficient. I would
say there is a serious problem in American schools too if
somehow India is able to produce people where we can't.
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Re: Oh, Xi!
By: paralambano Date: January 7, 2017, 8:39 am
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Kerry -
[quote]They could also be setting themselves up for failure and
scorn.[/quote]
There's always an element of risk in every perceived worthwhile
endeavour. Nothing ventured; nothing gained.
[quote]Importing good players may improve things to a degree;
but they can't import an entire team.[/quote]
True, but you don't need a whole team imported for progress and
success. Look at what Zlatan's arrival at Manchester United FC,
Barcelona's Pedro, Belgium's Eden Hazard and Brazil/Spain's
Diego Costa have meant for Chelsea FC. The list goes on and on.
A single player can make a key difference to a team's overall
success in terms of boosting a club's morale and desire to play
better. This ought not to be discounted off-hand. Some say it's
Leo with Barca; others say it's Iniesta who contributes more to
team cohesiveness.
[quote]As you know, how a good player performs often depends on
his teammates. [/quote]
Indeed. But we're discussing introducing good players to a
lesser league. Look at what Sebastiano Giovinco has done with
Toronto FC. This tiny footballer (Atom Ant) on loan from
Juventus FC in short order became the MLS's MVP in North
America. He helped catapult TFC into the finals of the MLS Cup
this year. And not only Seba but USMNT's Jozy Altidore And
Michael Bradley (Bob's son) among others. Sure, it's a team
sport but poorer teams are comprised of poorer skills.
[quote]Renaldo said he's not interested in a Chinese deal.
http://www.espnfc.com/real-madrid/story/3030169/real-madrids-cristiano-ronaldo-…
Indeed. I had given a link in either this or Bradley's thread
mentioning this. Not that the Chinese could not learn from him.
My understanding is that he's the world's most popular sports
figure. I'm not about to hit the like, like, like!! button on
that information ;).
[quote]Ah, but half a billion here and half a billion there.
China already faces a severe problem since so many rich Chinese
want to get their money out of China. Some are also plotting
to make sure their children can be US citizens by sending
pregnant women to the US to give birth -- mostly to California.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/01/china-us-birth-tourism_n_7187180.html[…
Better spent on health-related matters than an arms race.
especially, if it's private money. Better to sport, sport, sport
than to war, war, war.
[quote]I don't see China spending money to import sports figures
as healthy.[/quote]
Indeed it is. Kids want to emulate their sports heroes. I spent
endless hours keeping active playing ball-hockey in the streets
when I was a lad. Why? I wanted to be like Yvan Cournoyer of the
Montreal Canadiens. I played house league and high school
soccer. So, I didn't become an athlete. I became a
pseudo-intellectual and a question-mark for professors. The
government in China is investing in programs to keep their kids
active at least.
Second, networking is the number one way to gain knowledge and
skills. Look at what Guus Hiddink brought to Australia's
Socceroos. FC Barcelona's later successes can be directly traced
back to Rinus Michels and Johan Cruyff at Ajax in the
Netherlands. Isolation inevitably leads to poverty and failure.
Look at the top EPL clubs all coached by foreigners. Jurgen
Klopp (love that Jurgen) has overhauled Liverpool's style of
play making them a real contender this year. Look at the foreign
coaches hired by national teams. Why are they hired? Because the
hiring country wants their expertise. Look at the number one
watched sports league worldwide, the EPL with all its foreign
players there. Its success has increased dramatically since
their arrival in numbers there.
[quote]If your country has a problem with talent or skill, the
solution isn't to buy people from other countries.[/quote]
For footy, indeed it is. Up to a point. If you don't know how to
play it and if you can afford it, you go out to find the best
you can wherever they are and bring them in to teach you what
they know by management and players. This is the quickest way to
progress and success. When you have learned your lessons well,
you can slow the importation. Still, keep an eye on the network.
Knowledge is power. Most successful clubs do it.
para . . . .
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Re: Oh, Xi!
By: Kerry Date: January 9, 2017, 5:53 am
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[quote author=paralambano link=topic=1150.msg13666#msg13666
date=1483799950]
Kerry -
There's always an element of risk in every perceived worthwhile
endeavour. Nothing ventured; nothing gained.[/quote]
I don't see the point in taking risks just to hold a record; but
then many people do -- just look at all the crazy things they do
trying into the Guinness Book of World Records. Things with
that organization have gotten so bizarre and trivial, I don't
consider them that serious now.
[quote]True, but you don't need a whole team imported for
progress and success. Look at what Zlatan's arrival at
Manchester United FC, Barcelona's Pedro, Belgium's Eden Hazard
and Brazil/Spain's Diego Costa have meant for Chelsea FC. The
list goes on and on. A single player can make a key difference
to a team's overall success in terms of boosting a club's morale
and desire to play better. This ought not to be discounted
off-hand. Some say it's Leo with Barca; others say it's Iniesta
who contributes more to team cohesiveness.[/quote]I don't think
the owners have much of a clue about this. You could have a
top-rate guy in one club who seems uninspired if transferred; on
the other hand, you could have a diamond in the rough player on
a team rated mediocre who might really hit it off on a new team
and rise to spectacular heights.
[quote]Indeed. But we're discussing introducing good players to
a lesser league. Look at what Sebastiano Giovinco has done with
Toronto FC. This tiny footballer (Atom Ant) on loan from
Juventus FC in short order became the MLS's MVP in North
America. He helped catapult TFC into the finals of the MLS Cup
this year. And not only Seba but USMNT's Jozy Altidore And
Michael Bradley (Bob's son) among others. Sure, it's a team
sport but poorer teams are comprised of poorer skills.[/quote]It
also could be a lack of esprit de corps, a lack of joie de vivre
when playing as a team.
[quote]Indeed. I had given a link in either this or Bradley's
thread mentioning this. Not that the Chinese could not learn
from him. My understanding is that he's the world's most popular
sports figure. I'm not about to hit the like, like, like!!
button on that information ;).[/quote]Yes, I seem to recall you
mentioning it. I just checked this out.
Lionel Messi already earns around �50,000-a-day, so it�s not
like he�s lacking for cash.
But if Hebei China Fortune get their way then Messi is going to
be earning an absolute Quinton Fortune.
The Chinese Super League club, currently managed by Manuel
Pellegrini, are willing to pay Messi �100million-a-year,
according to Goal.
He would be offered a five-year contract to leave Barcelona
meaning he�d take home �500mil if he sees out his time in China.
His rumoured buyout clause of �250m is unlikely to put off a
club that briefly made Ezequiel Lavezzi the highest paid player
in the world.
Hebei finished a disappointing 7th in the Chinese Super League
last season, despite being able to call upon Lavezzi, Stephane
Mbia and Gervinho.
But that�s nothing the signing of Messi couldn�t fix.
After all, if Obafemi Martins can still score goals in China
we�re sure Messi would get on okay.
I think he'd be miserable.
[quote]Better spent on health-related matters than an arms race.
especially, if it's private money. Better to sport, sport, sport
than to war, war, war.[/quote]If the rest of the world didn't
have military forces, China could just send people to kidnap the
players they want.
[quote]Indeed it is. Kids want to emulate their sports heroes. I
spent endless hours keeping active playing ball-hockey in the
streets when I was a lad. Why? I wanted to be like Yvan
Cournoyer of the Montreal Canadiens. I played house league and
high school soccer. So, I didn't become an athlete. I became a
pseudo-intellectual and a question-mark for professors. The
government in China is investing in programs to keep their kids
active at least.
Second, networking is the number one way to gain knowledge and
skills. Look at what Guus Hiddink brought to Australia's
Socceroos. FC Barcelona's later successes can be directly traced
back to Rinus Michels and Johan Cruyff at Ajax in the
Netherlands. Isolation inevitably leads to poverty and failure.
Look at the top EPL clubs all coached by foreigners. Jurgen
Klopp (love that Jurgen) has overhauled Liverpool's style of
play making them a real contender this year. Look at the foreign
coaches hired by national teams. Why are they hired? Because the
hiring country wants their expertise. Look at the number one
watched sports league worldwide, the EPL with all its foreign
players there. Its success has increased dramatically since
their arrival in numbers there.[/quote]And somebody thought they
wanted Bob Bradley. . . .
[quote]For footy, indeed it is. Up to a point. If you don't know
how to play it and if you can afford it, you go out to find the
best you can wherever they are and bring them in to teach you
what they know by management and players. This is the quickest
way to progress and success. When you have learned your lessons
well, you can slow the importation. Still, keep an eye on the
network. Knowledge is power. Most successful clubs do
it.[/quote]If you want intelligent children, don't think about
marriage -- go find some bright children to adopt.
#Post#: 13673--------------------------------------------------
Re: Oh, Xi!
By: paralambano Date: January 9, 2017, 12:27 pm
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Kerry -
[quote]I don't see the point in taking risks just to hold a
record; but then many people do -- just look at all the crazy
things they do trying into the Guinness Book of World Records.
Things with that organization have gotten so bizarre and
trivial, I don't consider them that serious now. [/quote]
The key is in the idea that the Chinese want to build football
clubs that will be around for a hundred years as they are
elsewhere. Part of the enjoyment of it I suppose is the ride to
goals - - the endeavour itself. I doubt that most Chinese
futbolistas believe that they can build a WC winning team in so
short a time. Their ambitions are probably outstripping their
abilities for now. Still, stranger things happen. Patience,
China. You probably know all about this quality already.
[quote]I don't think the owners have much of a clue about this.
You could have a top-rate guy in one club who seems uninspired
if transferred; on the other hand, you could have a diamond in
the rough player on a team rated mediocre who might really hit
it off on a new team and rise to spectacular heights. [/quote]
I think they do know since they have been sporting for some time
now. They just might not be as expert at it in soccer and so
have still to rely on foreign experts to sniff out these things
for them. Sometimes an outsider sees things insiders don't.
[quote]It also could be a lack of esprit de corps, a lack of
joie de vivre when playing as a team.
[/quote]
Indeed. There are many variables at work sometimes. This
sometimes happens to great teams when they have won
consistently. FC Barca has been terrible lately. Apparently, a
lack of effort in the midfield. Their "style" of play, putting
other teams on their dizzying midfield carousel has eroded.
Enrique is now approaching the hot-seat.
By the way, congratulations to ex-Wolfsburg's Julian Draxler. He
got to play immediately with his new club Paris Saint-Germain
this weekend at Parc des Princes and scored their seventh and
final goal against Bastia. Look out on Valentine's Day, Barca.
[quote]Yes, I seem to recall you mentioning it. I just checked
this out.
Lionel Messi already earns around �50,000-a-day, so it�s not
like he�s lacking for cash.
But if Hebei China Fortune get their way then Messi is going to
be earning an absolute Quinton Fortune.
The Chinese Super League club, currently managed by Manuel
Pellegrini, are willing to pay Messi �100million-a-year,
according to Goal.
He would be offered a five-year contract to leave Barcelona
meaning he�d take home �500mil if he sees out his time in China.
His rumoured buyout clause of �250m is unlikely to put off a
club that briefly made Ezequiel Lavezzi the highest paid player
in the world.
Hebei finished a disappointing 7th in the Chinese Super League
last season, despite being able to call upon Lavezzi, Stephane
Mbia and Gervinho.
But that�s nothing the signing of Messi couldn�t fix.
After all, if Obafemi Martins can still score goals in China
we�re sure Messi would get on okay.
I think he'd be miserable.
[/quote]
I agree. Messi has mentioned that he might want to retire if not
a Barca (been with Barca since he was thirteen I believe) then
at Newell's Old Boys in his hometown of Rosario, Sante Fe,
Argentina.
Here's Leo salvaging a point for Barca on Sunday. The effusive
commentator at 43s in is Thomas Rongen, scout for the USMNT who
incidentally played with the great footballer and mastermind,
Johan Cruyff (Dutchmen):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8rIlgelMT0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8rIlgelMT0
By the way, what a humble and beloved players' coach Manuel
Pellegrini is. His players were sad to see him leave Manchester
City FC last year.
[quote]If the rest of the world didn't have military forces,
China could just send people to kidnap the players they want.
[/quote]
They'd still have to pay them good money since so many of them
can get lazy quickly.
[quote]And somebody thought they wanted Bob Bradley. . .
.[/quote]
I still do if Canada doesn't want this foreigner. He's closer to
the culture here and has some success internationally. His son
plays for Toronto FC and what's wrong with Toronto as a place to
live but for the cold in winter? We train down south anyway. I
mean, we brought in Benito Floro from Spain and how did that
work out for us? We're out of the WC Russia 2018. Not in the
HEX. We still have a hockey and US gridiron mentality here. Very
few have ever even heard of Floro or possibly much less care.
Hey, but I do try in my little way when I can . . . . ;)
[quote]If you want intelligent children, don't think about
marriage -- go find some bright children to adopt.[/quote]
First you have to ensure that that line of progenitors is
intelligent. Give them the best teachers first, then have them
procreate.
para . . . .
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Re: Oh, Xi!
By: Kerry Date: January 12, 2017, 8:38 am
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[quote author=paralambano link=topic=1150.msg13673#msg13673
date=1483986436]
Kerry -
The key is in the idea that the Chinese want to build football
clubs that will be around for a hundred years as they are
elsewhere. Part of the enjoyment of it I suppose is the ride to
goals - - the endeavour itself. I doubt that most Chinese
futbolistas believe that they can build a WC winning team in so
short a time. Their ambitions are probably outstripping their
abilities for now. Still, stranger things happen. Patience,
China. You probably know all about this quality already.[/quote]
I found that statement strange myself. Has anyone ever set up a
sports club with the goal it will be around only twenty or so
years? "Why don't we have a team and build an expensive
stadium to prove to the world we can do it. Then after twenty
years of demonstrating our success, we'll say it's enough and go
on to something else."
[quote]I think they do know since they have been sporting for
some time now. They just might not be as expert at it in soccer
and so have still to rely on foreign experts to sniff out these
things for them. Sometimes an outsider sees things insiders
don't.[/quote]
I don't think the Europeans or Americans know that much than the
Chinese really. They seem to rely on money, spending wild sums
on the people with past track records hoping they'll perform for
them as well as they performed for others. If things start to
go wrong, the owners fire them and try somebody else.
[quote]Indeed. There are many variables at work sometimes. This
sometimes happens to great teams when they have won
consistently. FC Barca has been terrible lately. Apparently, a
lack of effort in the midfield. Their "style" of play, putting
other teams on their dizzying midfield carousel has eroded.
Enrique is now approaching the hot-seat.
By the way, congratulations to ex-Wolfsburg's Julian Draxler. He
got to play immediately with his new club Paris Saint-Germain
this weekend at Parc des Princes and scored their seventh and
final goal against Bastia. Look out on Valentine's Day,
Barca.[/quote]As Xavier Hernandez exits to go to Qatar to make
tons of money. If I played on a team and one of my teammates
did that, I'd feel demoralized and maybe a little helpless or
resentful. In the end though, I'd tell myself, "Better off
without him." I don't think allowing players to keep playing
for the team they're quitting is a good idea.
[quote]I agree. Messi has mentioned that he might want to retire
if not a Barca (been with Barca since he was thirteen I believe)
then at Newell's Old Boys in his hometown of Rosario, Sante Fe,
Argentina.
Here's Leo salvaging a point for Barca on Sunday. The effusive
commentator at 43s in is Thomas Rongen, scout for the USMNT who
incidentally played with the great footballer and mastermind,
Johan Cruyff (Dutchmen):[/quote]
Where did the Qatar ads go?
[quote]By the way, what a humble and beloved players' coach
Manuel Pellegrini is. His players were sad to see him leave
Manchester City FC last year.[/quote]I wonder if that mattered
to him?
[quote]They'd still have to pay them good money since so many of
them can get lazy quickly.[/quote]
The amount of money is relative. China could just threaten to
put them in internment camps if they underperformed.
[quote]First you have to ensure that that line of progenitors is
intelligent. Give them the best teachers first, then have them
procreate.[/quote]Two superbright people are not apt to have
children as bright as themselves. Nor are two extremely dumb
parents apt to have children as dumb as they are. The children
of of extremely intelligent people are apt to be brighter than
average but not as bright as their parents. This is because of
the regression to the mean.
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