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Re: < To All Members Here >
By: guest36 Date: February 26, 2020, 1:29 pm
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[quote author=Willie T link=topic=759.msg11491#msg11491
date=1582740069]
"Yes", I suppose it can be good. If it were not for my
hyper/sensitivity, I would never have gotten into psychiatry.
No, it's not what you might be thinking. In my younger days I
wore out my knuckles on quite a few heads because of that
sensitivity. It got so bad, I was told by a judge to either
enter anger management classes, or get myself saddled with some
serious assault charges.
Some time later, the shrink who ran the program recruited me to
facilitate some of his Sex Offender group sessions. Actually,
one of the requisites was that you had to be able to defend
yourself in case one of the clients turned out to have the same
propensity for throwing hands that I once had. Worked out kinda
well. LOL
Today, maybe not so much. That aggressive tendency gets in the
way a lot of times.
[/quote]
Good job the two of us have made up via PM's otherwise if we had
carried on looks like I might have ended up with a bloody nose
LoL
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Re: < To All Members Here >
By: Helen Date: February 26, 2020, 6:12 pm
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[quote author=Episkopay link=topic=759.msg11490#msg11490
date=1582738955]
It's the "dialectic"...where there is a thesis...an
antithesis..and when these agree we have synthesis. it is a way
to understanding the truth based on the way our brains work. We
have 2 poles in our brain that function each separately. It's
what allows us to become hypocrites for instance. So it is only
as BOTH sides of the brain are brought into the mix that we can
perceive what truth is. Most people will argue from one side or
the other..so that they never are able to grasp the truth.
instead they have "their" truth...a side of a truth.
A good example of this in religion is the Calvinist/Armenian
dialectic.
So then neither is right. But by looking at arguments from BOTH
sides we can arrive at a balanced understanding.
But this takes work and lots of thinking things out. As Einstein
once said...thinking is hard work..that's why so few people do
it! ;)
[/quote]
I can see why I never understood it when Mark/bbyrd talks about
different dialects ...even reading your post wore me out...I
find it very hard these days in understanding 'heavy things'.
As you said it well :-
But this takes work and lots of thinking things out.
As Einstein once said...thinking is hard work..that's why so few
people do it! [emoji2] [emoji12] [emoji23]
Yep, that's me.
Right there you have it! This poor brain I am sure is shrinking
, it's hard work for me.
Thanks for your post.
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And thank you REBA.
So would you say that in a nut shell is it more like group or
culture colloquialisms?
So ( Anyone) what does bbyrd009 mean when he speaks of people
speaking in satan's dialect? I've never understood that.
Wish he was here to answer.
I do remember asking him once , but I didn't really understand
his answer ..but then...'not wishing to appear a fool..' I
didn't ask further ,....plus I didn't want to derail the thread
we were in.
#Post#: 11515--------------------------------------------------
Re: < To All Members Here >
By: Amadeus Date: February 26, 2020, 6:33 pm
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[quote author=Helen link=topic=759.msg11513#msg11513
date=1582762363]
I can see why I never understood it when Mark/bbyrd talks about
different dialects ...even reading your post wore me out...I
find it very hard these days in understanding 'heavy things'.
As you said it well :-
But this takes work and lots of thinking things out.
As Einstein once said...thinking is hard work..that's why so few
people do it! [emoji2] [emoji12] [emoji23]
Yep, that's me.
Right there you have it! This poor brain I am sure is shrinking
, it's hard work for me.
Thanks for your post.
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And thank you REBA.
So would you say that in a nut shell is it more like group or
culture colloquialisms?
So ( Anyone) what does bbyrd009 mean when he speaks of people
speaking in satan's dialect? I've never understood that.
Wish he was here to answer.
I do remember asking him once , but I didn't really understand
his answer ..but then...'not wishing to appear a fool..' I
didn't ask further ,....plus I didn't want to derail the thread
we were in.
[/quote]
Dialectic:
I still do not like the word myself. I have to stop and think
about what is being said to be certain I understand what is
being said when that word, dialectic, is used.
Very simply consider it a two part word. The first part, di-, a
common prefix meaning: two or twice or double.
For the second part of the word, -lectic, consider the lecture
of a professor who presents his part alone with no questions or
feedback allowed from his listening students. There is no
dialogue between two or more participants. With the dialectic
there two lecturers (at least) speaking or as Episkopay
effectively put it, two inputs from the same brain.
That is it simply and may not be completely accurate, but it is
easier for me to remember than to look up a definition each time
I see the word used.
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Re: < To All Members Here >
By: Nancy Date: February 26, 2020, 6:41 pm
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[quote author=Helen link=topic=759.msg11513#msg11513
date=1582762363]
I can see why I never understood it when Mark/bbyrd talks about
different dialects ...even reading your post wore me out...I
find it very hard these days in understanding 'heavy things'.
As you said it well :-
But this takes work and lots of thinking things out.
As Einstein once said...thinking is hard work..that's why so few
people do it! [emoji2] [emoji12] [emoji23]
Yep, that's me.
Right there you have it! This poor brain I am sure is shrinking
, it's hard work for me.
Thanks for your post.
---------------------
And thank you REBA.
So would you say that in a nut shell is it more like group or
culture colloquialisms?
So ( Anyone) what does bbyrd009 mean when he speaks of people
speaking in satan's dialect? I've never understood that.
Wish he was here to answer.
I do remember asking him once , but I didn't really understand
his answer ..but then...'not wishing to appear a fool..' I
didn't ask further ,....plus I didn't want to derail the thread
we were in.
[/quote]
"but then...'not wishing to appear a fool..' I didn't ask
further ,....plus I didn't want to derail the thread we were"
"Even a fool, when he keeps silent, is considered wise; When he
closes his lips, he is considered prudent." Proverbs 17:28 :D
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Re: < To All Members Here >
By: Episkopay Date: February 26, 2020, 7:17 pm
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[quote author=Helen link=topic=759.msg11513#msg11513
date=1582762363]
I can see why I never understood it when Mark/bbyrd talks about
different dialects ...even reading your post wore me out...I
find it very hard these days in understanding 'heavy things'.
As you said it well :-
But this takes work and lots of thinking things out.
As Einstein once said...thinking is hard work..that's why so few
people do it! [emoji2] [emoji12] [emoji23]
Yep, that's me.
Right there you have it! This poor brain I am sure is shrinking
, it's hard work for me.
Thanks for your post.
---------------------
And thank you REBA.
So would you say that in a nut shell is it more like group or
culture colloquialisms?
So ( Anyone) what does bbyrd009 mean when he speaks of people
speaking in satan's dialect? I've never understood that.
Wish he was here to answer.
I do remember asking him once , but I didn't really understand
his answer ..but then...'not wishing to appear a fool..' I
didn't ask further ,....plus I didn't want to derail the thread
we were in.
[/quote]
I too wonder if Bbyrd understands the dialectic in it's common
usage. And I hope we can get to use more examples in future. I
use the word "polarity" normally for this. Like a magnetic field
that has 2 poles...or a battery with the positive and negative
posts. same idea.
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Re: < To All Members Here >
By: guest36 Date: February 27, 2020, 5:34 am
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[quote author=Ivor link=topic=759.msg11489#msg11489
date=1582738820]
Don't blame people for being sensitive it's a good quality ...
I'm the opposite, very thick skinned (crocodile skin) a whack at
me won't even be registered as offence often it sails over my
head completely but that sadly comes at a cost.. I don't get
poetry and I rarely get Christian music and I can border on
being critical but never cynical because I do accept everyone
for who they are..
[/quote]
But you must have a soft and romantic spot somewhere along the
line to have captured and hung onto your lovely wife.
Or was it the hair raising, speedster, motor cyclist that pushed
her buttons? ;D
#Post#: 11536--------------------------------------------------
Re: < To All Members Here >
By: guest46 Date: February 27, 2020, 6:08 am
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Hi there,
It's no good, I still do not understand what dialectic means, so
what does my dictionary say:-
dialectic:- (noun) 1) logical debate by question and answer to
resolve differences between two views. 2) the art of logical
argument .
* In the light of this, in a discussion with @Episcopay, I
closed with the words, 'sadly I do not agree with your
conclusions', for to enquire further as to how he reached those
conclusions held the possibility of further disagreement, and I
did not want to go there: but I feel that I should have done,
for I would have understood him better.
* I find simply trying to understand someone's manner of speech
is quite difficult on times, and misunderstanding what is being
said can lead to fruitless argument. We may all speak the
English language, but our different cultures, outlook and
influences all combine to make our form of expression
indecipherable to each other. :) (does that make sense?!)
* On the other forum @Episcopay and I were not able to enter
into discussion together without some form of conflict, but,
happily, here on this forum, we seem to be able to talk more
reasonably with one another, even though we may not always see
eye to eye on matters.
* Hi @Episcopay, forgive me for talking about you like this, but
I am genuinely glad to have got over that hurdle. :)
In Christ Jesus
Chris
#Post#: 11540--------------------------------------------------
Re: < To All Members Here >
By: guest46 Date: February 27, 2020, 6:48 am
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Hello again, :)
I am thinking of discussions, and how to resolve issues by
discussing them logically in order to arrive at the truth of the
subjects in hand. Online I found it said that there are two
types of logical argument - 'deductive' and 'inductive'.
Examples were given of both, which I quote:-
Deductive - This type of reasoning provides complete evidence of
the truth of its conclusion. It uses a specific and accurate
premise that leads to a specific and accurate conclusion. With
correct premises, the conclusion to this type of argument is
verifiable and correct.
Inductive - This type of reasoning is "bottom up," meaning that
it takes specific information and makes a broad generalization
that is considered probable, allowing for the fact that the
conclusion may not be accurate. This type of reasoning usually
involves a rule being established based on a series of repeated
experiences.
* I can relate to these two patterns of argument, for I have
seen them used on the forum. With the former it is possible to
come to the truth of the matter, but with the latter I can't see
how it's possible to arrive at an agreement regarding what is
true, for nothing is based on verifiable fact.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
#Post#: 11544--------------------------------------------------
Re: < To All Members Here >
By: Nancy Date: February 27, 2020, 7:44 am
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[quote author=charity link=topic=759.msg11540#msg11540
date=1582807717]
Hello again, :)
I am thinking of discussions, and how to resolve issues by
discussing them logically in order to arrive at the truth of the
subjects in hand. Online I found it said that there are two
types of logical argument - 'deductive' and 'inductive'.
Examples were given of both, which I quote:-
Deductive - This type of reasoning provides complete evidence of
the truth of its conclusion. It uses a specific and accurate
premise that leads to a specific and accurate conclusion. With
correct premises, the conclusion to this type of argument is
verifiable and correct.
Inductive - This type of reasoning is "bottom up," meaning that
it takes specific information and makes a broad generalization
that is considered probable, allowing for the fact that the
conclusion may not be accurate. This type of reasoning usually
involves a rule being established based on a series of repeated
experiences.
* I can relate to these two patterns of argument, for I have
seen them used on the forum. With the former it is possible to
come to the truth of the matter, but with the latter I can't see
how it's possible to arrive at an agreement regarding what is
true, for nothing is based on verifiable fact.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
[/quote]
For the first method, are you talking about removing erroneous
"facts" to expose the "true " ones? And, the second one like
you said, the "bottom up" one being "just the facts maam" ( :D
) ...be kind of like 'making the facts' fit as they go?
:)
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Re: < To All Members Here >
By: Willie T Date: February 27, 2020, 8:11 am
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[quote author=charity link=topic=759.msg11540#msg11540
date=1582807717]
Hello again, :)
I am thinking of discussions, and how to resolve issues by
discussing them logically in order to arrive at the truth of the
subjects in hand. Online I found it said that there are two
types of logical argument - 'deductive' and 'inductive'.
Examples were given of both, which I quote:-
Deductive - This type of reasoning provides complete evidence of
the truth of its conclusion. It uses a specific and accurate
premise that leads to a specific and accurate conclusion. With
correct premises, the conclusion to this type of argument is
verifiable and correct.
Inductive - This type of reasoning is "bottom up," meaning that
it takes specific information and makes a broad generalization
that is considered probable, allowing for the fact that the
conclusion may not be accurate. This type of reasoning usually
involves a rule being established based on a series of repeated
experiences.
* I can relate to these two patterns of argument, for I have
seen them used on the forum. With the former it is possible to
come to the truth of the matter, but with the latter I can't see
how it's possible to arrive at an agreement regarding what is
true, for nothing is based on verifiable fact.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
[/quote]Inductive reasoning is a well-established method of
Bible Study.
You might find it interesting to search "Inductive Bible Study"
online.
https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=hts&oq=&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGH…
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