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| Tatty Black and White Golf dyno sheets | |
| By: Tonyb Date: August 10, 2012, 3:19 pm | |
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| Here are two dyno sheets for the engine in my car, figures at | |
| the wheels plus a pic of the car on the rollers at Vince Mosleys | |
| in Llandeilo (my local RR). | |
| The first is sheet, first plot is with a full race pack D+ TSR | |
| head, twin 45's mapped ignition, 4 branch and a Schrick 304 cam, | |
| std VW pistons. The second plot is with a JMR developed version | |
| of the TSR head, Spiess F3 throttle bodies, mapped ignition and | |
| fuel, 4 branch and a Schrick 320 cam, Wiseco forged pistons. | |
| The second sheet is the same spec engine but with about 200 | |
| miles on it and a few hrs of the rollers with adjustments to the | |
| cam, ignition and fuel ;D. 8v's can make power despite what | |
| people say. | |
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| #Post#: 257-------------------------------------------------- | |
| Re: Tatty Black and White Golf dyno sheets | |
| By: Robin_16v Date: August 10, 2012, 6:23 pm | |
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| i love this engine ;D | |
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| Re: Tatty Black and White Golf dyno sheets | |
| By: Tonyb Date: November 2, 2012, 3:16 pm | |
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| Here we go, dirty washing in public and all that ;) | |
| The car has been up to Vince Mosley's rolling road in Llandeilo | |
| for a bit of testing etc. Vince has up dated his whole set up | |
| and has computerised the road plus added a weather station to | |
| correct the data for all sorts of atmospheric variations. | |
| Between Jason and I we have made some changes to the engine | |
| earlier this year. I added a different exhaust manifold to suit | |
| the chassis mods based on a Miltek 4:1 system. Broadly similar | |
| to the heavily modified Ashley I ran before and agian modifed to | |
| suit the head which has some big holes in it! The head was | |
| modified by Jason with the valves up from 40.5mm to 42mm and | |
| additional porting to match. Having driven it a few times it | |
| felt well good but with 750kgs and over 200bhp it was allways | |
| going to feel lively :D. It felt a bit flatter low down but | |
| picked up nicely. having seen the first plot it was clear that | |
| it was flat bottom and and then picked up strongly higher up. | |
| Due to the changes to the rolling road the data this year will | |
| be different to the un corrected data from last year although we | |
| have the uncorrected data available as well. We spent a while | |
| checking and adjusting fuel and ignition maps to see what effect | |
| they had. There didn't seem to be many changes required other | |
| than at the bottom end, up to 3000rpm where it was down around | |
| 15bhp on where it should have been. | |
| Generally a disappointing day as we started off down on power | |
| with a big hole around 4500rpm. After an hour or so we had the | |
| blue map. It just didn't really want to make peak power. Ok it | |
| was running to 8000rpm and still holding power but it wasn't | |
| really peaking as you would expect around 7k or so. | |
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| http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/ab201/tonybarber/tattygolf.jpg[/img] | |
| We then played with the cam timing. We tried retarding it a | |
| degree but this made it worse so we then advanced it and whilst | |
| it still didn't want to peak we added a dgerre or two at a time | |
| and we eventually ended up with the green trace. This is the | |
| opposite to what we did last year to gain power, we are | |
| essentially back where we started with last years engine when we | |
| first put it on the rolling road. | |
| Analysing what we have got and comparing to the last plots | |
| uncorrected figures we have 183bhp max at the wheels (176bhp | |
| corrected). This years figs were taken in 5th gear and I'm sure | |
| last years were taken in 4th, based on that and just for a like | |
| for like comparison we would have about 219bhp at the crank. So | |
| like for like about the same but we should have more that that, | |
| I would have thought we were 4 or 5 bhp short of what I would | |
| have expected on that basis. | |
| Going back to corrected bhp we have around 170+ bhp at the | |
| wheels from 5500rpm to over 7500rpm in a very linear form, with | |
| a slight peak at 6000rpm where we have the 176bhp, which is | |
| around 206bhp at the crank so not too shabby for an 8v but not | |
| what I had expected. | |
| There is 10 or 15 bhp in there somewhere but where? | |
| Whilst a little disapointing on the day it is now quite | |
| interesting to find out where the power is. After a couple of | |
| hours on the rolling road everything was overheating, petrol | |
| vaporising etc so we gave up. | |
| Jason is convinced much of it is cam timing, I don't think it's | |
| that simple. I think the obvious culprit is the exhaust | |
| manifold, whilst very similar I've an idea the primaries were a | |
| few mm smaller that the Ashley. It's all ok in side as I cut it | |
| up to check and tidy it up. Maybe the valve dia increase has in | |
| some way affercted the induction length as well? I need to get | |
| some data over to Jason to have a look at and whilst I won't put | |
| all the answers up here I'll give you some clues what we do ;) | |
| Once we have list together I'll record where we are settings | |
| wise, do some checks and then re set it up and we'll run it up | |
| again and see if we can find the rest of the power. | |
| #Post#: 576-------------------------------------------------- | |
| Re: Tatty Black and White Golf dyno sheets | |
| By: JMR Date: November 5, 2012, 3:59 am | |
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| We'll get there Mr B....the requirements will have changed with | |
| the extra airflow through the head so induction & exhaust | |
| length's will be fussier. It's at the power level now where | |
| correct primary size's will work better & the overall tract | |
| length needs adjusting to drag the top end back...there's more | |
| there before you go and do something drastic like buy a 16v! ;D | |
| #Post#: 578-------------------------------------------------- | |
| Re: Tatty Black and White Golf dyno sheets | |
| By: Stooza Date: November 6, 2012, 6:34 am | |
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| ...there's more there before you go and do something drastic | |
| like buy a 16v! | |
| Cheeky git lol | |
| #Post#: 948-------------------------------------------------- | |
| Re: Tatty Black and White Golf dyno sheets | |
| By: Tonyb Date: September 22, 2013, 2:30 pm | |
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| Not updated anything in here for a while. Been busy working and | |
| racing and have struggled to do much at all online. | |
| Following on from the failure of last year on the rolling road | |
| we re grouped and made a few changes and then returned to Vince | |
| Mosleys rolling road and after a days playing around we had the | |
| green tace below. | |
| The reason for starting at 5k is that we were struggling against | |
| the heat issues that the rear exhausts and induction system | |
| create. Vince thought if we start at 5k and run up quickly | |
| before the heat starts killing the power at the top end we might | |
| get a truer reading, seemed to work. As ever the car was on the | |
| edge of incineration for much of the time, lots of smoke, heat | |
| and the smell of burning. | |
| [URL= | |
| http://s864.photobucket.com/user/tonybarber/media/Midrun-tattygolf3_zps87aeb4ea… | |
| These figs are wheel BHP and the result at the crank equates to | |
| 233bhp @ 7250rpm uncorrecrted and when corrected for | |
| temp/humidity/altitude etc it still equates to 224bhp at the | |
| crank, still quite handy for a non crossflow 8v! | |
| The chnages made included shortened the trumpets (as much as | |
| possible with the Spiess F3 induction system), a set of custom | |
| Magnacore leads made, new plugs, Fresh petrol plus cam timing, | |
| ignition and fuel changes. Also added an electric water pump - | |
| every little helps! | |
| Jason recently drove the car at Wiscombe hillclimb and whilst we | |
| had a few handling issues on the day I think Jason was suitably | |
| impressed with the engine, if not the drivability of the chassis | |
| on the day. So much so that he claimed more power was not | |
| required - not what you normally expect to hear when talking | |
| about an 8v Golf engine! It always amazes me how much grunt | |
| these engines produce when correctly put together, so much more | |
| than the sum of the parts. | |
| #Post#: 949-------------------------------------------------- | |
| Re: Tatty Black and White Golf dyno sheets | |
| By: Smudge Date: September 22, 2013, 3:51 pm | |
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| Great to read about this Tony. Your engine certainly is very | |
| desirably and has made me often dream about a tasty 8v lump. :P | |
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| Re: Tatty Black and White Golf dyno sheets | |
| By: GEL Date: September 24, 2013, 6:18 pm | |
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| Hi Tony ... had wondered what that `hot spot` over Llandeilo was | |
| ;) ;D | |
| Great work by all ! | |
| No changes for next season then ? | |
| #Post#: 957-------------------------------------------------- | |
| Re: Tatty Black and White Golf dyno sheets | |
| By: JMR Date: September 25, 2013, 5:21 pm | |
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| Yep....tracking! ::) :D | |
| There's plenty of power, and if all of it could be used most of | |
| the time it would be ballistic! | |
| I've recently parked the next phase on the workbench...and ran | |
| out of fingers counting valves! ;D....but we have demons to | |
| exercise first eh Tony! 8)....Wiscombe Park 2014....I've booked | |
| a sunny day for us! | |
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