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19 December 2017 - Chritsmas Pageant chapter 3 part 2 by Jack
By: Jack Date: December 19, 2017, 5:02 pm
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I kept thinking I should get up and do something. I did get up,
but only long enough to take a leak. Normally I�d be embarrassed
to walk around the house naked, but Marty had said me and him
were the only ones home, and he�d just seen my fresh-spanked
butt, so I guess it didn�t make a difference.
Then I didn�t even see him.
I did decide i could at least take a shower.
I wanted to concentrate and do something, but I just couldn�t.
At least, now that I was a little cleaner, and I�d put on some
clean boxers (carefully) and a t-shirt, I was feeling a bit
better. I decided to lie back down for a minute, then check
Snapchat.
And� about thirty minutes later, I woke up. At least this time,
it was someone shaking my shoulder, not grabbing my butt.
�What?� I snapped, turning over, only to stop halfway. My arm
fell out from under me, I landed on my back, and bit back a
yelp, before realizing my butt was still a little sore, but not
really bad anymore.
�You�d better get up if you�re going to make it on time,� Simon
told me.
�I�m not going.�
�You have to, Spence. I�ve been relying on you. Not gonna make
it without you, bud.�
�Tate�s been working with me. He can help.� I answered,
carefully rolling over to face away from him.
�If I�m not mistaken,� Simon reminded me, �Tate�s only ten-years
old I don�t think he�ll be able to handle the big pieces. Much
less all the other kids.�
�Simon,� I snapped, rolling back over and wincing, �you don�t
even want me there. You don�t know what I did.�
�You spanked Daniel Costello,� he replied calmly.
My mouth fell open.
�How�d you know,� I protested.
Your Dad called Mr. Todd to see if we still wanted you. He
asked me, and I told him the same thing I told you - we need
you. He called Mr. Costello to see what he thought. Mr.
Costello decided you and Daniel had both made bad judgements,
but you�d both learned your lessons. He suggested we give you a
bit closer supervision, but he also pointed out that you�d paid
the price, and that you deserve another chance.
I had tried to close my mouth, but it didn't work well, since
Simon just shocked it open again.
�But what if I don�t want to go? I mean, he did broke the rules
he didn�t want to tell his dad,and my dad�.�
That wasn�t really the truth. I mean, it was, but it wasn�t the
whole truth. The thing is, I was sore, I was hurt, and I was
embarrassed. Worse - I�d been humilated.
�I can�t, Simon. I�m sorry, but�.�
�Spencer��
Simon had been standing by my bed, but now he sat down on the
side.
�Look, Spence. You�re upset. In a way, I understand, and I
agree. In other ways, well� you did make a bad decision. I
don�t know exactly what happened, but if it wasn�t abusive, then
you deserved it.�
I wanted to argue with him, but I wasn�t sure if I could. I
knew I�d been wrong to do it. I don�t know if I deserved a
whupping as Dad had given me, but maybe I deserved something.
Besides, Simon went on talking before I had a chance to say
anything.
�The thing is, my dad left when I was pretty young,� Simon told
me, while looking away from me. �It was just me and Mom for a
while, then, when I was...six, I�m pretty sure� No, their
anniversary is in April so I would have just turned seven.
Anyway, he was a decent step-dad. He never liked me liking
musicals and being into drama and stuff, but he was real
supportive about sports and Scouts and stuff like that. I mean,
I think fishing is stupid, but I was willing to go with him,
since he usually would take us someplace where we could go
hiking and stuff as well.
�He was pretty strict, though. Like I said, I was seven, and
it�d been me and Mom most of my life. It wasn�t too bad at
first. He started spanking me, but he was pretty clear on the
rules. He spanked pretty hard, but it wasn�t abusive or
anything.
�Him and Mom had my first little brother a little over a year
after they got married, and the other one was a couple of years
younger than that, so around eight and ten years younger than
me.
�At first, I thought everything was normal. Most kids don�t
talk about it a lot, but I knew a lot of my friends got spanked,
too.
�Anyway, by the time I was your age� You�re fifteen, right?�
�Not �til March.�
He nodded.
�So, I was actually older than you. My little brothers were
five and seven. He spanked them, but not a lot. It�s kind of
hard to remember what happened, and what you think happened, but
I�d swear he spanked me a lot more when I was seven, but I
figured maybe that�s because my brothers grew up with him and
knew the rules, right?�
I nodded. I had no clue what this had to do with me going to
work on the Pageant, but Simon was actually a pretty good
storyteller, and I found myself so fascinated, I wasn�t even
asking questions.
�The other thing was, he was still spanking me, even though I
was in high school by then. I think a couple of my friends
might still have been getting the belt or paddled - you know,
like they do in school or laying over the bed - or at least they
thought maybe they�d still get it, if they got in enough trouble
Most of them just got grounded or had their phone taken away or
something.
�Not me, though. He still pulled my pants and boxers down, put
me over his lap, and spanked me. The only difference is that,
when I was seven, he used his hand. When I got a little older,
he started using a wooden spoon. By fifteen, I�d past the
hairbrush, and was getting it with a bath brush. He didn�t stop
spanking me until I moved out, and by that time, he was using
this plastic paddle that burnt so bad��
He stopped and took a breath. He�d looked at me for a while, but
he was looking away now.
�So, him and Mom liked to go out. After I was in high school,
they started making me watch the kids. It wasn�t all the time,
and they usually gave me a little extra money, or gave us money
for pizza or Red Box or something, but it was still kind of a
pain at times.
�One night, when I�d wanted to go to a party with my friends,
they already had plans. That same night, Andy and Alex were
being huge pains. I was sixteen then, so they were six and
eight, but they were being huge pains. I warned them several
times. I told them I wasn�t in the mood for them to be acting
up. I tried to put in Hercules for them, which was their
favorite movie then. They just kept acting up and wouldn�t
mind, so I finally spanked them - I took their clothes off,
smacked their rears enough to get some tears, then put them in
the bathtub.
�After that, they behaved the rest of the night. They were in
bed before Mom and Ronnie got home. But the next morning, they
told him what happened. He confronted me about it. I tried to
explain, but he wasn�t listening. And he stripped my shorts and
tee off, dragged me into their bedroom, put me over his knee,
and spanked my butt right there in front of them.
�They deserved it. He would have spanked me for half what they
did. He�d already messed up my night, and then he did that to
me - stripping me balls naked in front of them, and blistering
my butt. And I did, Spence - I bawled before he finished with
me. He didn�t just spank my butt, but my legs.
�And that�s why I�m not going home for Christmas. I hate him,
and I�m not good with my Mom, because she let him do it.�
He turned back to look at me, and his eyes were red and wet.
�That�s why I live with my Uncle now.
�Not many people know that, but I wanted you to know that I
understand how you feel. Do you?�
I paused a second to figure out what he�d said, then I nodded.
�I won�t tell anyone, Simon.� I promised.
�Good. But you know what would be better?�
I shook my head.
�Get up and put some pants on before we�re late.�
I sighed. I still didn�t want to, but he hadn�t had to share
that with me, and I had promised. And if I didn�t, Dad might
claim I hadn�t finished my community service.
I started to climb out of bed, then stopped.
�Turn your back.�
�Why? You suddenly shy?�
No, I thought, I�m just really hard after that story, but I
answered, �Something like that.�
He laughed, but stood up.
�I�m going to borrow your bathroom. Don�t dawdle.�
I didn�t.
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Re: 19 December 2017 - Chritsmas Pageant chapter 3 part 2 by Jac
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By: Zyngaru Date: December 19, 2017, 6:20 pm
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Spencer doesn't have as much of me in him as I thought.
Evidently Simon does though. ;D
That little talk would not work with me. Not even telling me if
I didn't go, it wouldn't count as my community service. They
would just have to find some other community service where I
wasn't in charge of others.
It's just not right to put someone in charge and then punish
them for taking charge. Spence I am disappointed in you.
What I would have told Simon, is that I will meet you there
after everyone else leaves, and then I will work through the
night to get things done, by myself.
Oh and that would have ruined my relationship with my dad.
Actually it did. I went to live with first one set of
Grandparents (Junior High School) and then later the other set
of Grandparents. (High School) I was 32 before I forgave my
dad. It took 20 years for me to calm down.
Love the story Jack. You know how to push my buttons. Awesome.
Can't wait to see what happens when Spence gets there.
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Re: 19 December 2017 - Chritsmas Pageant chapter 3 part 2 by Jac
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By: David M. Katz Date: December 19, 2017, 11:37 pm
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Excellent series! Looking forward to more.
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Re: 19 December 2017 - Chritsmas Pageant chapter 3 part 2 by Jac
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By: db105 Date: December 20, 2017, 4:20 am
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Thanks for another chapter, Jack. I'm enjoying the story.
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Re: 19 December 2017 - Chritsmas Pageant chapter 3 part 2 by Jac
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By: db105 Date: December 20, 2017, 4:39 am
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[quote author=Zyngaru link=topic=267.msg2344#msg2344
date=1513729239]
Spencer doesn't have as much of me in him as I thought.
Evidently Simon does though. ;D
That little talk would not work with me. Not even telling me if
I didn't go, it wouldn't count as my community service.
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Zyngaru, I also enjoy stories where the boy gets mad at some
punishment he has received. I can identify with them, and I
enjoy stories with intense feelings. I sometimes find myself
wishing that the boy would get madder when I read some of these
stories.
However, as a writer I find the format makes it difficult to go
that way. The stories are short, and they demand a resolution.
Also, in these stories we often romanticize spankings and
paternal discipline. An ending of: "and I remained mad at my
father for the rest of my life" just doesn't seem very
satisfying for a spanking story. But if you have a
reconciliation it often seems too easy and thus seems to negate
the validity of the boy's feelings, because the story is short
and there's no room for a lengthy process, and that lengthy
process is often not what readers want to read and writers want
to write. It's difficult writing a story where the boy remains
mad.
Speaking of this, at the MMSA you should read ianboy's "In"
series. They are sure to get your blood boiling. In a good way,
because the writing is wonderful (they were cowritten by Ripping
Yarns, one of the most skilled writers ever in the MMSA). But
it's about a family which is loving but the parents are really
strict, and they consider a bad attitude after a spanking
defiance.
Another story with very intense angry feelings that I wanted to
recommend is about a boy whose brother tells on him and gets him
punished for a serious matter, and he gets so mad that he stops
talking to him completely. Unfortunately, I can not remember
right now the title or the author, but it's another very skilled
writer.
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Re: 19 December 2017 - Chritsmas Pageant chapter 3 part 2 by Jac
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By: Jack Date: December 20, 2017, 5:20 am
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[quote author=Zyngaru link=topic=267.msg2344#msg2344
date=1513729239]
Spencer doesn't have as much of me in him as I thought.
Evidently Simon does though. ;D
That little talk would not work with me. Not even telling me if
I didn't go, it wouldn't count as my community service. They
would just have to find some other community service where I
wasn't in charge of others.
It's just not right to put someone in charge and then punish
them for taking charge. Spence I am disappointed in
you.[/quote]
I had to think about whether to reply to this or not. I don't
want to say something that sounds like I think your feelings
aren't valid, but I don't agree with your conclusions either.
In the first place, the little talk wouldn't have worked with me
either - if it had come from my Dad. In this case, it came from
someone who Spencer really likes and admires and wants to keep
happy. The fact that Simon opened up to him so much is what
swung the difference.
Second, I see the situation between Spencer and Simon (and thus
their reactions) as very different. While Simon hadn't been
physically abused, it because very clear that he was treated
differently - unlike the biological children. Even the spanking
in front of them for spanking them was just a culmination of
things. In Spencer's case, he was being punished for doing
something that he'd known was wrong from the start. He was
shocked both by the intensity and suddenness of the punishment,
but I don't think there's any question he knew all the time he
could get in trouble for it.
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Re: 19 December 2017 - Chritsmas Pageant chapter 3 part 2 by Jac
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By: Zyngaru Date: December 20, 2017, 9:09 am
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Jack, I know I am complicated. Thank you for being careful how
you reply.
It really isn't a matter of, if a reaction is right or wrong.
It is a reaction and it happens. In this case you said
conclusions, but to my mind that is the same as reactions. Each
one of us is going to have a different conclusion because each
one of us have different life experiences to draw those
conclusions from.
That is both a bane and a reward of being an author. You write
the story and you have one idea when writing it, but the reader
is going to read it their way and draw their own conclusions
even if they are different from the writers.
I love the story. It makes me feel things. It isn't just words
on a screen, but it is a life that I enter. That is how I read
stories and novels and watch movies. I enter them. If I cannot
become part of the story, then I don't finish reading it. This
story is very good, because it not only has me drawn into it,
but has my emotions going into overload.
I am not being critical when I write comments. I am just
expressing how much this story is getting to me, which is a good
thing.
[quote]Jack Wrote,
In Spencer's case, he was being punished for doing something
that he'd known was wrong from the start. He was shocked both
by the intensity and suddenness of the punishment, but I don't
think there's any question he knew all the time he could get in
trouble for it.
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I agree with this to some extent. Definitely the suddenness of
his punishment was a shock. It was also a shock that he was
punished in front of witnesses, where neither of the spankings
he delivered were public. I also think when he gave the
spankings he was making sure that if called out for them, he had
"JUST" cause and a good explanation to back up what he did,
ready. He just wasn't given the chance to tell his side. Those
planned out speeches were for naught, because he wasn't allowed
to use them. Whether you intended for that to be part of the
story, I don't know. But as I read it, I could see Spence
making those plans. (I will ask him about his spankings when he
does something wrong at home. What does his dad do? How does
he do it. Spence even gets to boy to ask to be spanked instead
of telling his dad. I see all of that as Spence preparing a
case to present to his dad or anyone else, if the spankings were
discovered.)
Like I said, I get into stories I read. I am not a casual
reader. I give long feedback also, because I do get into the
story. Sometimes how I see the story is how the author meant
readers to take it and other times it isn't.
Anyway. You have a reader in me, that loves the story and loves
to tell why I love it.
I just hope it isn't bothering you that I see Spence differently
than how you created him. If it is, let me know and I will shut
up. Like I said I am not being critical, but am actually
praising you as a writer. At least that is how this is supposed
to be coming across.
Z
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Re: 19 December 2017 - Chritsmas Pageant chapter 3 part 2 by Jac
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By: Zyngaru Date: December 20, 2017, 9:30 am
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db105:
Thank you for the recommended stories. I'll have to look them
up.
[quote]db105 Wrote:
However, as a writer I find the format makes it difficult to go
that way. The stories are short, and they demand a resolution.
Also, in these stories we often romanticize spankings and
paternal discipline. An ending of: "and I remained mad at my
father for the rest of my life" just doesn't seem very
satisfying for a spanking story. But if you have a
reconciliation it often seems too easy and thus seems to negate
the validity of the boy's feelings, because the story is short
and there's no room for a lengthy process, and that lengthy
process is often not what readers want to read and writers want
to write. It's difficult writing a story where the boy remains
mad.[/quote]
I agree. In a short story, it is almost impossible to fit all
the emotions we would want into a story, especially prolonged
anger. I also agree that most writers do not want to write that
kind of story. The ones that do, probably are using it as
therapy of some sort, exercising their own demons. Even I like
to bring my stories full circle, where it has a happy ending.
[quote]Another story with very intense angry feelings that I
wanted to recommend is about a boy whose brother tells on him
and gets him punished for a serious matter, and he gets so mad
that he stops talking to him completely.[/quote]
Funny. I have one brother, that neither of us have talked to
the other in almost 40 years. Not even during the sicknesses
and deaths of our parents. We just give each other their own
space. So I can understand a story where brothers stop talking
to each other.
Funny story: One day my dad told my mother to "shut up." She
didn't talk to him for three days. She still made his breakfast
and poured his coffee. But did not say a word to him during
those three days. Dad finally broke down and apologized. Her
not talking to him, broke his heart. And he never told her to
"shut up" again.
My mom's motto was: I don't get mad, I get even.
My dad's motto was: I might not always be right, but I am NEVER
wrong.
I have part of both of those in me.
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Re: 19 December 2017 - Chritsmas Pageant chapter 3 part 2 by Jac
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By: Jack Date: December 20, 2017, 9:56 am
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[quote author=Zyngaru link=topic=267.msg2360#msg2360
date=1513782549]I just hope it isn't bothering you that I see
Spence differently than how you created him. If it is, let me
know and I will shut up. Like I said I am not being critical,
but am actually praising you as a writer. At least that is how
this is supposed to be coming across.[/quote]
It's not that it's bothering me, it's simply that I wanted to
share how I see it. And you're right - I've read stories that I
thought were very well done, but I saw them completely
differently than the author because of my own experiences.
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Re: 19 December 2017 - Chritsmas Pageant chapter 3 part 2 by Jac
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By: guest50 Date: December 22, 2017, 7:03 pm
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I'm with Zyngaru on this one, this made my blood boil too. When
I was a teen, I had to look after my little brother before and
after school. He was 9 years younger than me and a real live
wire. I was not allowed to discipline him, and any time I
complained about his behaviour to my parents, I was told to just
deal with it. One time, I ended up putting a hole in the wall
during a confrontation I had with my brother to get him to go to
school. I was the one punished for that, which I thought was
totally unfair. I had to be responsible, yet my parents gave me
no tools to cope with his behaviour. I held onto that resentment
for years.
I wanted to hold this thought to myself, and see how the
successive chapters of this story pan out, but I have to say, I
understand how Spencer feels.
Let me say this - I agree Spencer did the wrong thing. I agree
he needed to have some consequence for his bad judgement. I do
not agree with the way Spencer's father did it, though. Spanking
should never be done in anger. There was no discussion about
alternatives Spencer might have had to deal with that situation.
What I'm seeing now in this story is a picture of a father who
is uncaring and disengaged. I really hope I'm wrong about that,
and that Spencer finds a way to resolve his resentment
constructively.
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