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| Dealing with an Objection to the Aristotelian Argument | |
| By: ClassicalLiberal.Theist Date: October 30, 2020, 5:55 am | |
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| The objection: it is in principle possible that physical things | |
| or at least things other than something pure act can lack | |
| potentiality. Therefore, you cannot deduce God's existence from | |
| the existence of motion. | |
| To illustrate what this means, take any physical object | |
| whatsoever. You can imagine a possible world in which a physical | |
| object lacks the potentiality for things like local motion or | |
| change. This would exhuast the possibility of it having | |
| potentiality, all the while not qualifying it as something which | |
| is pure act: it may still be susceptible to time, it is | |
| composite, it isn't all powerful, etc. Therefore, the argument | |
| from change is false (well, at least it isn't deductive). | |
| I would like at the outset, to make some clarifying statements | |
| about why the argument from motion proceeds as it does. In many, | |
| if not all variations of the argument from motion, it starts | |
| with the premise "change occurs", or something synonymous. The | |
| reason for this move is soley to establish the reality of the | |
| metaphysical categories act and potency. It is not, and I | |
| repeat, it is not the premise by which the existence of God is | |
| directly derived. To put it in a crude syllogistic form: | |
| P1 Change occurs | |
| P2 So, actuality and potentiality exist | |
| P3 If actuality and potentiality exist, then God exists | |
| C Therefore, God exists. | |
| After the establishment of change, we get act and potency. From | |
| this, the argument (I have Edward Feser's argument in mind) then | |
| applies and seeks to understand the conclusion when these | |
| metaphysical categories are applied to actualization which is of | |
| a vertical sort, rather than a horizontal one. Meaning, it is | |
| concerned with the continued actualization of a potential, | |
| rather then the actualization of a potential throughout points | |
| in time. The argument deduces God's existence from the fact that | |
| there are objects that exist which are being continually | |
| actualizaed, not the actualization of potentialities happens in | |
| a temporal manner. | |
| To make even more preliminary statements, however, I would like | |
| to make a distinction between the ways in which a thing can lack | |
| potentiality. These two I have labeled underivative existence | |
| and derivative existence. The first we would call God, and the | |
| second would be some sort of being which lacks the capacity to | |
| change. Understanding now what the argument's objective is, take | |
| any physical object. By virtue of being a physical object, | |
| regardless of whether or not "it lacks the capacity for change", | |
| it is always physically composite. Cups, spoons, houses, and | |
| boeing 747s are the way they are because of the various | |
| arrangement of atoms involved. Atoms can be broken down into | |
| protons, neutrons, and electrons, and further those things can | |
| be logically divided by space (if it is .0000000000000000001cm | |
| long, then we can say it is composed of two parts which are | |
| .0000000000000000001/2cm in length). Strictly speaking, anything | |
| in space is divisible (composite), and everything physical is in | |
| space. Knowing this, we can then say that call physical things | |
| are dependent on their subsidiary parts for their existence. | |
| Meaning, the arrangement of parts actualize the potentiality for | |
| there to be a whole. Therefore, in order to appease the causal | |
| principle, we must then posit some being which is causally prior | |
| to this. You can run this game ad infinitum, but ultimately to | |
| satisfy the chain of causality, you must at some point come to | |
| the existnece of an "unmoved mover" or "pure actuality". | |
| Physical things may very well lack the capacity to change, but | |
| it is in the very nature of the things which deems it something | |
| of derivative existence. You must therefore appeal to that which | |
| is of underived existence. | |
| #Post#: 247-------------------------------------------------- | |
| Re: Dealing with an Objection to the Aristotelian Argument | |
| By: RomanJoe Date: November 16, 2020, 4:41 pm | |
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| It doesn't matter if you posit some substance and just say that | |
| for purposes of illustration it has no potential to move, heat | |
| up, become cold, x, y, z, etc. You're still dealing with a | |
| partitioned piece of reality. It's still composite even if it is | |
| "unmovable"--it still exists in this locale rather than another, | |
| with this color rather than another, with this atomic structure | |
| rather than another. Why? There must be a reason for its | |
| existence being composed in such a way rather than another. What | |
| makes it so that it is actually here rather than there, or with | |
| this atomic structure rather than that atomic structure? | |
| Appeal to the substance itself? How? X actualizes the potentials | |
| of X to exist in the manner it does. That's impossible. So we | |
| must appeal to something outside of the substance. The causal | |
| chain then continues on. | |
| You see, potentiality isn't just an existential principle that | |
| determines how an already existing being can exercise itself. | |
| Rather it's a principle that carves up being. It explains why | |
| some beings extend only so far or look a particular way. This is | |
| the reason why the AT theist claims God can't be material, can't | |
| be spatially limited. Any limitation is due to potentiality. | |
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