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Our Testimony/Normal Christianity
By: lesjude Date: August 12, 2012, 3:50 pm
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It might help you understand normal Christianity better if I
give you a little of our testimony. I became a believer in '77
and my wife 3 years previously. We "discovered" that Jesus is
just who He says He is and still doing all the same things He
did in His earthly ministry: "Jesus Christ is the same
yesterday, today and forever." We also learned He wanted things
done His way, according to what His word says, not "I think" or
what religion told us. For instance we saw the promise in Acts
16:31, and by faith (Hebrews 11:1) our parents, brothers and
sisters all received Jesus. It was interesting because my wife's
family were quite Catholic. They are not anymore.
I had the privilege of leading my father to the Lord. Jesus
healed him of high blood pressure (he had been on medication for
30 years) and diabetes. I had been an alcoholic since high
school but Jesus set me totally free shortly after I was born
from above.
The keys to Jesus' kingdom and all Jesus purchased in His
atonement we found out were just what Peter preached in Acts
2:37-39. "...Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the
name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall
receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Two things we decided to do
His way. We were clueless about the Holy Spirit but saw it in
Mark 16:17 "And these signs will follow those who believe: In my
name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new
tongues;...". We "believed" and man's views weren't working so
it happened a lot like in Acts 19:1-6. We also found out that He
really is a jealous God and will not share His glory with
another. As we saw Him faithful we decided to trust Him alone
for His promises.
My attitude was (and still is) either Jesus does today what He
promises and did 2000 years ago if we meet the conditions (and
His grace enables us) or we need another god. So I canceled our
health insurance, paid off all debt including our mortgage and
Jesus became our family physician and "banker". Five of our 7
children were born at home by the power of Jesus plus 10 grand
children. One daughter was still born with the cord wrapped
around her neck, a dark purple and not breathing. I called out
to Jesus and He raised her up. Jesus has healed all of us many
times: asthma, broken bones, hemorrhage, appendicitis, and more
without any use of shots, drugs or the medical system for over
30 years. Most of these were healings we were required to
believe Jesus' word and battle the devil for over a period of
time. Instantaneous miracles are great, but do not produce
Hebrews 11 faith.
We have had the privilege to pray for many others and see them
healed by Jesus' power; two people of terminal cancer (their
doctors were amazed). We have friends that see all of Matthew
10:7-8 quite often including our oldest son's father-in-law who
ministers to the Indians in the mountains of Oaxaca, Mexico.
People need a Jesus that works in their situation, not after
they are dead!
This is NORMAL Christianity not some "special" grace. Many think
we are insane, but my attitude is we are not out of our minds,
just out of theirs. Believers have been robbed of so much by
religion, opinion, doubt and unbelief that Kingdom living is
nearly an unknown thing and "churchianity" substituted for it.
After all Jesus mentioned the Kingdom Of Heaven (God) over 100
times in the gospels and the church twice.
Our hearts are to do all we can to have Jesus receive all the
love, faith and obedience from Christians that He died to make
possible.
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Re: Our Testimony/Normal Christianity
By: CBE Date: August 12, 2012, 4:16 pm
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AWESOME TESTIMONY!!! :)
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Re: Our Testimony/Normal Christianity
By: Admin Date: August 12, 2012, 4:42 pm
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lesjude,
I welcome you to CDF. Here we share our beliefs and views; we
may be met with debate; we may find others staunchly disbelieve
what we attempt to preach or teach; but, we remain polite,
courteous, and respectful. You are welcome to post any message
concerning healing by faith, including testimonies of the same,
but I do ask that you not push excessively hard; rather, please
put your beliefs on the table and allow God to give the
increase, to do the convincing. You can only plant the seeds,
God must do the rest.
Also, I invite you to join our sister site, Praise Him (link at
the top of your page, right-hand corner). At Praise Him, we
very seriously avoid controversial topics and focus on mutual
praise, worship, and fellowship in Jesus Christ, our Lord.
Please understand and adhere to the different intentions of the
two sites. I ask you, and indeed, all members, to please read
the board "Mission Statement/Questions and Answers" on both
sites to gain insight to those intentions. I hope you will
occasionally join in simple praise and prayer over at Praise
Him!
Praise Him is a sanctuary, meant for peace and fellowship--a
retreat. A quiet place amidst the storms of forum-life. CDF is
where we post messages of a more controversial nature, which--
as I'm sure you deem unfortunate-- faith-healing, indeed, falls
under.
I apologize for "preaching" on the site intentions, but only
wish to be very clear.
I believe you will enjoy another member, "CBE" who shares your
beliefs on healing, and who works currently in a "healing room."
I do believe God will heal His children. I do believe it is in
His time.
Enough said.
I truly welcome you!
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Re: Our Testimony/Normal Christianity
By: Admin Date: August 12, 2012, 4:43 pm
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Ha! CBE meet lesjude; lesjude meet CBE! :)
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Re: Our Testimony/Normal Christianity
By: Admin Date: August 12, 2012, 5:03 pm
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[font=trebuchet ms]lesjude and CBE:
Gentlemen, I've created a "Faith Healing" board where you may
post messages concerning your passion. Please, if you are
creating a new thread, and it is to be primarily about faith
healing, use the designated board.
I thank you kindly for complying. :)
~Raina[/font]
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Re: Our Testimony/Normal Christianity
By: lesjude Date: August 12, 2012, 6:44 pm
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[quote] I welcome you to CDF. Here we share our beliefs and
views; we may be met with debate; we may find others staunchly
disbelieve what we attempt to preach or teach; but, we remain
polite, courteous, and respectful. You are welcome to post any
message concerning healing by faith, including testimonies of
the same, but I do ask that you not push excessively hard;
rather, please put your beliefs on the table and allow God to
give the increase, to do the convincing. You can only plant the
seeds, God must do the rest.[/quote]
"Beliefs and views" are just that, beliefs and views and mine
are as worthless as anyone's without scripture and living that
scripture. I live and give scripture for anything I say which is
what is required of anyone.
[quote]Also, I invite you to join our sister site, Praise Him
(link at the top of your page, right-hand corner). At Praise
Him, we very seriously avoid controversial topics and focus on
mutual praise, worship, and fellowship in Jesus Christ, our
Lord. Please understand and adhere to the different intentions
of the two sites. I ask you, and indeed, all members, to please
read the board "Mission Statement/Questions and Answers" on both
sites to gain insight to those intentions. I hope you will
occasionally join in simple praise and prayer over at Praise
Him![/quote] Thank you for the invitation.
[quote]Praise Him is a sanctuary, meant for peace and
fellowship--a retreat. A quiet place amidst the storms of
forum-life. CDF is where we post messages of a more
controversial nature, which-- as I'm sure you deem unfortunate--
faith-healing, indeed, falls under.[/quote]
What I have found "peace and fellowship" usually means is I'm
ok your ok. I see this nowhere in the Bible.
When I was born again I changed and if I saw truth or was taught
truth I wanted to live it. It is a sorry testimony on
churchianity that our testimony of 34 years is thought of as
anything but normal Christianity because it is. In fact in many
ways we are lagging behind the norm. Really it is a very small
part of what Jesus has done for and through us. I do understand
however. If we are normal what most live is not. Then they have
to make some choices: I am lying, find out if it really is, or
attack us.
[quote]I apologize for "preaching" on the site intentions, but
only wish to be very clear.[/quote]
I really appreciate clarity.
[quote]I believe you will enjoy another member, "CBE" who shares
your beliefs on healing, and who works currently in a "healing
room."
I do believe God will heal His children. I do believe it is in
His time.[/quote]
The fact is Jesus did it over 2000 years ago.
Romans 10:6-9
New King James Version (NKJV)
6 But the righteousness of faith speaks in this way, �Do not say
in your heart, �Who will ascend into heaven?��[a] (that is, to
bring Christ down from above) 7 or, ��Who will descend into the
abyss?�� (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). 8 But what
does it say? �The word is near you, in your mouth and in your
heart�[c] (that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that
if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in
your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be[b]
saved.
You talk like a person who either does not know the meaning of
the Greek verb sozo to save or does not believe it.
[quote]Enough said.
I truly welcome you![/quote]
Thank you.
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Re: Our Testimony/Normal Christianity
By: clothed-in-white Date: August 12, 2012, 10:35 pm
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lesjude
I have seen your posts on a few forums and i agree with all you
have posted, as my family and I live by following the words and
sayings of our Saviour, so we can actually become saved out from
the law of sin and death
. His faith [substance] has become our faith,[for what is not of
faith is sin] by eating from the tree of life [ at great cost to
our former life meaning death to self and self preservation
antics].
The Lord showed us when He walked and talked wth Adam, all was
well in paradise. Calm and balance prevailed.'s word
It was only when Eve decided to doubt God words, the real
trouble began.
[this is our central problem = all mankind has inherited
unbelief and doubts - a legacy of wrong choices]
we are now too realise Eve's choice need not be ours any
longer - this thread of rebellion in us has been broken
Therefore *If* we receive the revelation to TRUST AND HAVE
full CONFIDENCE in the saving/healing/caring ability of the
Saviour over all our everyday needs, we become reconverted back
to a paradise like state, called the Kingdom of God.
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Re: Our Testimony/Normal Christianity
By: Admin Date: August 13, 2012, 12:11 am
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[quote]lesjude: "Beliefs and views" are just that, beliefs and
views and mine are as worthless as anyone's without scripture
and living that scripture. I live and give scripture for
anything I say which is what is required of anyone.[/quote]
[font=trebuchet ms]What is required on this forum is respect.
Scripture speaks of gentleness, does it not? I'm a firm
advocate of gentleness, until I am pushed, so remember that.
Now, Scripture is always good to back up what you present, but
what I have seen over my years on internet forums is that men
interpret Scripture in very different ways, and although you may
believe your interpretation will always be without error, God
has yet to prove that to me. If you wish to present all of your
personal interpretation as fact, then perhaps you should click
the link found at the bottom of this and every page and create
your own forum. Meanwhile, you will show respect for the
"beliefs and views" of others.[/font]
[quote]lesjude: Thank you for the invitation.[/quote]
[font=trebuchet ms]You are most welcome.[/font]
[quote]lesjude: What I have found "peace and fellowship"
usually means is I'm ok your ok. I see this nowhere in the
Bible.[/quote]
[font=trebuchet ms]Do not put words in my mouth, sir. Peace and
fellowship mean precisely what I said. I'm sure that God has
taught you of such things.
[/font]
[quote]lesjude: When I was born again I changed and if I saw
truth or was taught truth I wanted to live it. It is a sorry
testimony on churchianity that our testimony of 34 years is
thought of as anything but normal Christianity because it is. In
fact in many ways we are lagging behind the norm. Really it is a
very small part of what Jesus has done for and through us. I do
understand however. If we are normal what most live is not. Then
they have to make some choices: I am lying, find out if it
really is, or attack us. [/quote]
[font=trebuchet ms]Slow down, I suggest. No one has attacked
you yet, now, have they? We do not yet have your testimony of
thirty-four years. A large part of your testimony is your
behavior. I would suggest politely expressing what you wish to
express and allowing others to respond. You've been here less
than 24 hours. The others on this forum want to live by the
truth no less than yourself. [/font]
[quote]lesjude:The fact is Jesus did it over 2000 years ago.
[/quote]
[font=trebuchet ms]I'm sure you are aware that there are
different types of healing: spiritual, physical, emotional,
etc.[/font]
[quote]lesjude: You talk like a person who either does not know
the meaning of the Greek verb sozo to save or does not believe
it.[/quote]
[font=trebuchet ms]You talk like a person who makes very rash
judgments. You have absolutely no way of knowing what I believe
or do not believe. You do not know anything about me. Are you
so used to opposition, that you must be rude from the
git-go?[/font]
[font=trebuchet ms]Truly, I ask you to pray before you post, to
proofread and ask yourself if you are being unduly judgmental or
harsh. Your defensive stance is annoying, considering no one
attacked you. You wish to speak healing? You may begin by
relieving me of the headache I've developed. Please, keep in
mind you have one strike against you from another thread. Don't
make a rebuttal just to be rude and cause me yet another
headache. It's simple. Try to be "nice." Nice is a good place
to start when there has been no provocation. And don't dare
preach to me about the downfalls of "nice."
Jesus loves you, lesjude. He loves me, too. I've no doubt of
it. He has everything under control. This I believe. Now,
maybe we can start over?[/font]
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Re: Our Testimony/Normal Christianity
By: clothed-in-white Date: August 13, 2012, 12:54 am
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Because most people seem to oppose the truth of His Believers,
some become defensive of the truth they have learnt to live in
daily.
It is wrong ofcourse and must be repented of and a defensive
attitude brought back into the harmony of the ways of Our
Saviour.
Ofcourse it is a part of the refiner's fire process, as all the
spots and wrinkles get finally ironed out as fullness of the
spiritual life enters inand a believer actually becomes the
image of christ in every way.
However Jesus never compromised THE TRUTH either, nor did HE
respect others values nor opinions and views, as He always did
the will of the Father and then went and obeyed what His father
told him - The Father was His only compass.
He did not have fellowship with the Pharisee, scribes nor Drs
of the law but ''woe -ed'' them 7 times for their perverse ways
and rebellion.
We have to come into a spiritual understanding, that few find
eternal life and are saved [ only a small remnant we are told] -
therefore most professors belong to the broadway of all
different opinions and bible theories that fail to bless them
into the image of the Father as Jesus was and is the same Image.
When the holy Spirit is our teacher, and indwelling all
believers are on the same page, and do not suffer from
divisional church denomination beliefs that causes a 'house
divided''.
The holy Spirit only teaches the way into the truth His way and
on His terms and suffers NO compromise and NO man made religious
theories and unholy beliefs.
i e
remember Jesus was vomiting at the man ruled over denominational
church of laodicea? this system made Him sick. see Rev 3 v 18.
Jesus gave up His life so we are made free.
freed from the laws of sin and death and there is NO way, He
shall stand by and allow another to teach His ekklesia, the way
into the truth so death and the devil are now defeated in our
lives - par excellence.
The universal claim of the religious Matrix is '' we all must
respect others religious opinions'' = why? when sin and death
still prevail within their own lives?
i respect the truth that will save me from sins i hate, sickness
i loath, and death i despise.
I actually wish to become the same Image as the Saviour and Be
as He is here and now as a helpmeet.
I ask - how many ignorant religious people have been swayed
away from NT bible truth by the UNanointed, the liars, the
perverts of the Word and maintain these leaders have lead them
into the truth?
deception is the name of this game and when viewed thru the
eyes of the Holy Spirit our discernments are there to protect us
from the apostate leaders, false wolves and angels of light.
i learnt one day, that i dont give any energy to comproming the
Word of the Lord when My saviour paid an awefull price that, I
really might be saved from the awfull choices of death and sins,
as my inheritence from people i never knew called adam and eve.
I dont want their choices in my life i only wish to have the
choice of My saviour and learning how to follow HIM into His
kingdom correctly.
i have 1 chance, it is my turn on the world stage today - i can
remain a rebel, a sinner and an insane person of an unsound
mind, or i can allow My Saviour's choices to dominate over my
life and believe HIM and follow HIM as His redeemed.
that is my heart's desire.
It is no good, doing things our way, having our church belief
and denominational truth, we need to do it all His way - IT
WORKED for Messiah it will work for us. to be very serious Now
reconsider this - not 1 person in 2000yrs has walked as the
image of Christ in the same word and deed.
Dont you think this very odd?
That in 2000yrs, there should have been many many people walking
as the Saviour and His apostles all doing the same wonders of
miralces and true conversions into the divine kingdom.
Here is our clue ''my people perish from LACK OF KNOWLEDGE''.
therefore if we did not lack Knowledge we would never perish.
Lesjude has found an awesome truth, few live in however calm
down dont be agressive,please nor defensive, it turns people
away.
I believe you as I live as you do according to your posts.
let us learn what u have learnt with godly respect.
why?
It is a very hard thing to be converted to faith [like Jesus]
rather than seeing is believing.[like Eve]
come let us learn in unity :). let us EXCELL in an excellent
spirit like Daniel had and have a holy attitude to help all men
to believe. The holy spirit will convert others, when we have
the right mind.
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Re: Our Testimony/Normal Christianity
By: Admin Date: August 13, 2012, 1:22 am
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[font=trebuchet ms]clothed-in-white,
I will take note that you support lesjude. Please encourage him
to be polite.
I support Jesus. :)
This is an "introduction" thread. lesjude has introduced
himself, and he has been greeted. For the sake of organization
and my persisting headache, I will lock this thread and I hope
that all members will prepare their posts carefully and
determine which board they belong in, according to subject
matter. Each post should have a definitive subject.
Also: Short, to-the-point posts will have more impact than
long-drawn out ones. Trust me. (And Jesus, of course. ;) )
The Lord knew that indigestion resulted from eating too much at
once. :)
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