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#Post#: 33--------------------------------------------------
The Holy Bible
By: [email protected] Date: July 31, 2012, 12:30 am
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The bible is such a great book. Its not like a book, it is
more like a person. In the beginning was the word , and the word
was with God, and the word was God. The bible is written and is
flesh and blood , just like a man and as a man has a Spirit, so
does the word. You can't see the Spirit of a man and it is so
with the bible. It is the flesh and blood of his son with the
Spirit of his father. Just as a man lives and grows, matures,
changes, so does the word. You could say the word is not
physical but the body created from its teachings is physical. It
can be one man or the multitude. It feeds a person's mind and
can cause a person to be just as the Lord desires him to be. It
is an armory of weapons to use against your enemy. It has a
tongue to speak and eyes to see, ears to hear and hands to use
and from a man's understanding , he becomes those things. It has
a heart and inward parts not visible as men do. The word is so
powerful it can put a man or, the whole world in bondage
captivating people so much it takes the spirit of God to set
them free. With the word, God can exalt whom he chooses and give
a man a spirit previously lived by one written about in the
bible. The rich can be made poor and the poor rich. It can bring
a man to the joy of his life or set a man to tears. It creates
nations and armies, can cause war or peace. God can hide himself
in the midst of the people and reveal himself to those who truly
love him. It can discern the true motive of a man and the intent
of his heart.
The word is bread and meat, water and wine, and can feed a
man a feast or spread famine and starvation. It can instruct a
man in the way of salvation or lead him to the pits of hell. The
future was written from the past and the past is revealed in the
future when things are fulfilled.
I am in awe of the word of God and it is a part of me as I
am a part of it. The word is my life and alive in me as much as
I am alive in the word. The dead can be found to be alive and
the living to be dead. There are mountains in the word and
valleys, the lakes and seas, animals created from people and
people created from animals. There are trees and herbs, beast
and bird in the word and people to take their place as them in
this world.
I love the word of God more then I have loved myself.
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Re: The Holy Bible
By: Admin Date: July 31, 2012, 3:07 am
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[font=trebuchet ms]Beautiful first post, expressing well your
love of the Bible!
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Re: The Holy Bible
By: Admin Date: August 1, 2012, 1:23 am
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The Word of God, as you describe, Colin, is full of majesty and
mystery--with hidden treasures to be sought after and riches to
lay up for heaven. The Word is alive and active, and as is your
righteousness, so God will reveal Himself to you. (Psalm
18:25-27) The books of the Bible are written by many men over
many years, and yet the consistency of symbolic and parabolic
representation through-out, lends credit and testimony to the
fact that the men who wrote its pages were inspired and moved by
the Spirit of God as they did so. The Word can teach, comfort,
reprove, and instruct in righteousness. The knowledge of Christ
gives His followers the aroma of life to those being saved and
the aroma of death to those who are perishing. (2 Cor. 2:16)
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Re: The Holy Bible
By: CBE Date: August 8, 2012, 11:33 am
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[size=12pt]Everyone should be encouraged to read and study the
Scriptures (Bible) - just as it is written "All Scriptures is
inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for
correction, for training in righteousness. [2 Tm 3:16]
Still the Scriptures are not God!!!
The Scriptures are writings that God inspired in people who knew
God.
Jesus Christ is God and He has a name "The Word of God"
He is clotherd with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is
called the Word of God. [Rev 19:13]
We call the Scriptures (Bible) the Word of God because it
contains writtings that God wanted us to have. And we also call
Jesus Christ the Word of God because He is our Lord and as such
we can hear from Him via the Spirit, just like David wrote "The
Lord said to My Lord." A Lord is someone who gives instructions,
and Jesus said His sheep hear His voice.
Now calling both the Scriptures and Jesus Christ by the same
name "The Word of God" can cause confusion. I personally like to
call the Bible either the Bible or the Scriptures, but I
understand and don't have a problem with anyone calling the
Bible the Word of God, because again it is writings from God.
Yet there is a very serious mistake that can happen if you think
the Scriptures are God. You can begin to think that because you
know the Bible you are saved. Many have made that mistake and
Jesus covered it clearly in the Scriptures!
You search the Sciptures because you think that in them you have
eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; and you are
unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life. [Jn 5:39,40]
With so much riding on this mistake, it would be a mistake on my
part not to point out this mistake. The above verse was
addressed to the Jews (in general). There are times when it
seems like it could be address to Christians in general too. We
must remember that we are not looking to the Scriptures for our
salvation. The Scriptures are not God. We are looking to God
through our Lord Jesus Christ who is God.
So we should get up in the morning and say 'Good morning Lord'
and hear a response back with our spiritual ears, because the
Spirit of God gives us the words of God.
He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the
truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever
He hears, He will speak [Jn 16:13]
When I get up I say 'good morning' to my Lord Jesus Christ, and
I hear a response from Him! I then take a shower, get dressed,
and sit down with my Bible in my favorite chair. I say the
Lord's prayer with some others things, and listen to God for
instructions. He usually asks me to open my Bible to this verse
or that verse, and proceeds to talk to me in words that can
write down for others if I want. However there are times when He
doesn't have me open my Bible, but we discuss different things.
And then I listen for the voice of my Lord though out the day,
because He is always with me. I try to live by everyword that
proceeds out of the mouth of God.
Now I grew into this type of relationship with the Lord. Back in
1999, a voice came over my shoulder telling me "READ YOUR
BIBLE". Those were the first words I every heard from Him. I
didn't have a relationship with Him at that time. It took me 8
months to read the Bible, and about three more months before I
found out that I could hear from Him via that small voice, which
most Christian are familiar with. It took about another three
months of talking to Him before He started calling me by my
name. And it was about a year after that before I first heard
Him tell me "I love you" which brought tears to my eyes. He
probably always loved me, but never the less, relationships are
developed. The Bible tells us about this relationship, but
knowing the Bible is not the same thing as knowing the Lord!!
Jn 10:27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they
follow Me; and I give eternal life to them...
And the good news is that anyone who wishes can enter into a
relationship with Him. All you have to do is start seeking the
Lord Jesus Christ and listen to His voice.
Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears
My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine
with him and he with Me.
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Re: The Holy Bible
By: Admin Date: August 8, 2012, 1:38 pm
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Yes, the Bible is a most wonderful tool that God may use to lead
us to the Lord and to train us in the way we should go. The
Lord is our Savior. It is the Lord that we love and abide in.
Thank you for your clarification, CBE.
Your description of relationship with the Lord is one we all
crave and one that is beautiful and personal. When we gather
together in study of the Scriptures, we come together as
brothers and sisters in the Lord--a family. We are the adopted
children of God.
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Re: The Holy Bible
By: amadeus Date: August 9, 2012, 12:29 pm
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In connection with what CBE said, I would add that the
scriptures alone may well be the dead flesh of Jesus that we
eat, while the Spirit is the blood of Jesus (wine) that we drink
(John 6:53). When the Spirit quickens (brings to Life) the dead
flesh in us, then it becomes the Word of God that is alive in us
(II Cor 3:6)
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Re: The Holy Bible
By: CBE Date: August 9, 2012, 12:48 pm
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If the Scriptures are somehow considered the dead flesh of Jesus
why did Jesus tell the Jews they searched the Scriptures
thinking in them they had eternal life but did not come to Him
so that they might have life. Clearly the Scriptures are a
"them" which is not Him. To conclude that the Scriptures are His
dead flesh, would be to deny the logic of the statement Jesus
made which differenciated between the Scriptures and Himself.
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Re: The Holy Bible
By: CatholicCrusader Date: August 9, 2012, 2:14 pm
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In my opinion, bad analogies that compare the scriptures to "the
dead flesh of Jesus" and the Spirit to "the blood of Jesus" are
dangerous and unsubstantiated. We should try to stick with what
we know to be correct and not go astray trying to come up with
new-fangled comparisons. Words have power and meaning, and
misusing them in these kinds of analogies has bad
consequences.
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Re: The Holy Bible
By: Admin Date: August 9, 2012, 5:06 pm
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[font=trebuchet ms]I suppose a lot depends on how much
importance we place on the Scriptures--what we believe about
them. I believe that with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, they
become the written Word of God. I believe there is endless
teaching to be gleaned from the pages of Scripture, and if we
pray for and seek godly wisdom and knowledge, much will be
given. If we seek, we will be rewarded--we will find.
Physically, we are what we eat, and I believe the same is true
spiritually; what we take into ourselves--and this includes
lessons and teachings from Scripture--has much to do with who we
are spiritually. I believe that Jesus, Himself, is the greatest
Teacher that ever lived. He still lives, and through the
Spirit, still teaches. I believe that the flesh we eat,
spiritually speaking, is the Scriptural teaching of the Lord,
Himself (the "meat" of Scripture). To "eat" the book, in
Scripture, means to understand. To eat the flesh of Jesus is to
take in and understand what the Scriptures say to us. The "life
is in the blood", so the Spirit is the blood, because it is the
Spirit that gives life (understanding) to what would otherwise
be a "dead letter."
God speaks to us in many ways if we have ears to hear, and this,
of course, includes through our church, through other believers,
through dreams and visions, through the creation around us, and
of course, through the uttering of the Holy Spirit. Likewise,
Scripture, when we "come to Him" is life-infused. Without His
Holy Spirit, we can study the Scriptures, as did the Pharisees,
and never understand them or see Truth or recognize Christ in
them. Thus, as Jesus said, we can study and think we have life,
but never have it, unless the flesh (the Scriptures) are taken
with the blood (the Spirit). We must "come to Him" to receive
His Spirit and then, as in Hebrews 11:6, our faith will be
rewarded with understanding of the Word of God.
Jesus did say to study and He did say the Scriptures testify of
Himself, but only if we "come to Him."[/font]
[quote][center][font=times new roman]John 5:38-40
King James Version (KJV)
38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath
sent, him ye believe not.
39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal
life: and they are they which testify of me.
40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have
life.[/font][/center][/quote]
[quote][font=times new roman]Hebrews 11:6
King James Version (KJV)
6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that
cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder
of them that diligently seek him.[/font][/quote]
[font=trebuchet ms]Of course, our faith is rewarded in many
other ways than Scriptural understanding, but understanding is
one of the great rewards.
A lot depends on how much we desire to understand the Scriptures
and recognize Jesus within them, which is what the Pharisees
failed to do. The Word of God (Scripture) is a tool, but it is
a very powerful tool when studied with the guidance of the Holy
Spirit of God. Of course, patience is required, and just as
with the food we eat, we must "eat" in good measure, chew
carefully and digest--meaning simply that understanding comes in
spoonfuls as we sit at the Lord's Table; He feeds us what we can
handle and what we are prepared to learn.
This is my understanding; others may not see it the same way. I
hope I worded it well, but it is hard to explain.[/font]
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Re: The Holy Bible
By: CBE Date: August 9, 2012, 5:41 pm
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Yeah - I agree with the Catholic Crusader on this. The analogy
of the Scriptures somehow being the dead flesh of Jesus, doesn't
seem good me.. The tomb was empty! So the dead flesh of Jesus
doesn't really work. I think maybe it might have come from the
dead works analogy in the Scriptures. The the dead works are our
works, not the Lord's. It's what we do for Him, without checking
with Him. I guess will all can get into that at times if we are
not careful. The Galatians certainly did.
So what is His flesh, that we eat of, and what is His blood that
we drink of? This question could cause a lot of debate, and so I
allow quite a bit of latitude on it, but I still don't see how
the Scriptures are His flesh that we eat (dead or not), because
of the verse (Jn 5:39), which seems to clearly state that
Scriptures are not Him.
You search the Sciptures because you think that in them you
have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; and you
are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life. [Jn
5:39,40]
On the other hand, certainly when Jesus said we must eat of His
flesh, and drink of His blood (and this was a tough comment
then, and has not changed), it must certainly have a deeper
spiritual meaning. Where is His physical flesh and blood now
that we might eat and drink of it? Is it the crack and grape
juice? I have eaten crakers and grape juice many times before I
every knew the Lord. Yet if someone else wants to believe that
--- well I hope it works for them.
As for me, the Lord comes and effects my life in 2 gereral ways.
The first and foremost to me is via the small voice. I love
having conversation with Him. It is just like having a person
and freind sitting next to you, except He is much wiser and is
so much more understanding than person I have ever talked to.
And then there is the other way, which seems to go down as the
annointing, power, or glory. It seems to come as incredible
peace, or joy, or a spiritual fire or water, and can knock you
on your back. So I personally make the connection of eating His
flesh and drinking His blood, with the small voice and the power
of God.
As for the Scriptures, they are the book that He has me read and
study. He once told me:
WHAT TEACHER DOESN'T PUT IN FRONT OF HIS STUDENTS TODAY, A BOOK?
YET NOT ONLY A BOOK, BUT OVERHEAD TRANSPARENCIES, VISUALES AND
OTHER MATERIAL. SO DON'T TELL THEM TO READ THE BOOK, TELL THEM
TO TAKE THE CLASS. I TELL YOU TRULY, IF THEY ARE NOT LISTENING
TO ME, THEY ARE NOT MY STUDENT, THEY ARE NOT MY PUPIL. I TELL
YOU TRULY, IF THEY ARE NOT LISTENING TO ME THEY ARE NOT MY
DISCIPLE.
It is written that they will all be taught of God. He is our
Teacher, and as such it makes sense that He would give us a text
book to study and teach from. That is how He uses the Bible in
my life. So I couldn't confuse the Teacher with the text book,
and I don't understand how anyone that has been listening to Him
talk to them could either. I hope that does not come across as
an attack on anyone. I'm just trying to get people to listen to
our Lord.
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