SUBJECT: THE PHOENIX PROJECT FROM A GENIE FORUM FILE: UFO2512
PART 15
Filename: Phoeni15.Thd
Type : Thread
Author : Joseph Harris
Date : 11/29/92
Desc : Rebuttal to Phoeni14.Thd/Phoeni14.Zip
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-=> Quoting Jack Mathias to Ed Stewart <=-
JM> The only reason it was released was because I, myself, pestered the
JM> team in my belief that this information should be released -- that
JM> we should allow those interested in UFOs, etc, to perhaps gain more
JM> knowledge and insight. Which, as it now appears, turned out being
JM> bad judgement on my part.
Not bad judgement Jack, more like the report was ill-equipped to handle
the kind of scrutiny we've put it through.
JM> Believe it or not I go along with that thought. It is also true
JM> that once individuals or groups decide that a piece is filled with
JM> lies and loop-holes that have not been explained to *their*
JM> satisfaction and state such, this information is also retained by
JM> those reading it thus doing nothing but deepening the mystery,
JM> etc., and casting suspicious eyes at the group submitting the
JM> information.
What else are we supposed to do Jack? In a field such as this,
misinformation runs rampant. When we as independant investigators find
flaws and loop-holes that do not get explained to our satisfaction, are
we supposed to blindly accept whatever is told us? Do you want us to
just accept the words of a here-to-for unknown group as gospel? Come on
Jack, independant verification is the life-blood of all research. If
one's findings can-NOT be independantly verified, then said findings
MUST be viewed as inaccurate. So far, not ONE claim made in the K-2
Report has been verified, other than static data. (ie the name of the
mountain is Pilot Peak etc etc..)
JM> I have now received the files that Joseph has been nice enough to
JM> put into this echo for me and I must say that I found them
JM> interesting. However it is still my contention -- and that of the
JM> team -- that nothing has been disproved. I will say -- and I have
JM> mentioned this to Steve and Joseph on several occasions -- I am a
JM> bit disappointed that the *Team* chose not to respond to the files
JM> and they were made public.
Nothing has been disproved, that I'll grant you only on the grounds
that I've not received confirming data on Pilot Peak. One of the key
claims made in the K-2 Report involved the Magnetometer readings, and
those are what I, and the SUFOG are working on now. However, too many
of the statements made in the K-2 Report have been shown to be
seriously flawed. This you cannot dispute.
JM> I, myself, am considering responding, in sorts, to Joesph in
JM> regards to his messages and also to the file released by Michael
JM> Corbin in which he addressed Don Kircher's 10/23/92 report because
JM> I still feel that something should be said. I do not believe for
JM> one instant that the book is closed. After all, unless one
JM> experiences something it will always remain hard for others who
JM> haven't, to believe.
If the Phoenix Project refuses to back-up, or at least attempt to
explain some of the problems noted in the K-2 Report, then we must
assume that these problems are such that they cannot BE explained,
other than by admitting that the report is bogus. "Silence is an
admission of guilt." That statement is upheld in most courts of law,
and I believe it has relevance here. I look forward to hearing from
you. Remember the key items we're interested in...
1. The F-4's scrambling from a base that has never operated fighter
aircraft of any type. How could this be "verified" ?
2. The memo referancing a document that would not be received for 2
more days.
3. The lawyer attempting to incorporate the Phoenix Project who's
office is the same as the mailing address of the Phoenix Liberator.
These amongst many...
Joe.
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