SUBJECT: THE PHOENIX PROJECT FROM A GENIE FORUM              FILE: UFO2511




PART 14




   Filename: Phoeni14.Thd
   Type    : Message Thread
   Author  : Jack Mathias
   Date    : 11/28/92
   Desc    : Rebuttal to Ed Stewart

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   Re: Phoenix project From Ed Stewart To Joseph Harris 11-26-92  07:17

   -=> Quoting Joseph Harris to Jack Mathias <=-

   JH> (and  I STILL want to hear the reasoning behind letting this report
   JH> sit on a shelf for three years.)

   ES> Believe me you don't want to hear it! ...but promised to provide me
   ES> with  material  later  after they contacted their  alleged  "inside
   ES> experts within the Phoenix Group".

   ES> Sure enough two days later Jack Mathias downloaded a file  directly
   ES> to  me  and suggested I could do with it what I wish with only  one
   ES> consideration.   Remove all references to the Phoenix Project if  I
   ES> chose  to make it public because of the "difficulties"   they  were
   ES> experiencing with Paranet.

   Ed...

   The  way  I  remember  it  is that the file I  downloaded  to  you  was
   information  on  1989FC  and  had  nothing  to  do  with  the  question
   referenced by Joseph. However the way I recall our meeting the question
   in  point was answered.  The reason that it took a couple of years  for
   the  report  to be transmitted was because the  Phoenix  Project  *had*
   never  intended on submitting it.  The only reason it was released  was
   because I, myself, pestered the team in my belief that this information
   should  be released --  that we should allow those interested in  UFOs,
   etc,   to  perhaps gain more knowledge and insight.  Which,  as it  now
   appears, turned out being bad judgement on my part.

   ES> After  I  analyzed  the  file  contents  I  privately  secured  the
   ES> assistance  and  technical  expertise of individuals in  the  Space
   ES> Program  that  I have access to through GENIE and  found  out  that
   ES> their  "reason  for  three year delay story"  has  more  holes  and
   ES> misinformation  than  what we have already been exposed to  and  is
   ES> simply utter nonsense.

   Your initial response to the file I gave you was --  as stated --  from
   information taken from GENIE and concerned 1989FC. I believe it was the
   idea  that 1989FC never existed and that the probe currently on station
   mapping Venus was never diverted to track its course. It had nothing to
   do with any of the published reports. If the asteroid doesn't or didn't
   exist  then  the newspapers printed falsehood at the time.  Making  the
   article  in last weeks [I believe] Newsweek also a falsehood  since  it
   referred to this.

   ES> Once  misinformation  becomes public, someone somewhere will always
   ES> chose to believe it.

   Believe  it or not I go along with that thought.  It is also true  that
   once individuals or groups decide that a piece is filled with lies  and
   loop-holes  that have not been explained to *their*   satisfaction  and
   state such,  this information is also retained by those reading it thus
   doing nothing but deepening the mystery,  etc.,  and casting suspicious
   eyes at the group submitting the information.

   ES> But rest assure,  if they ever answer your query (which I seriously
   ES> doubt they will ever do) and publicize the material they gave me as
   ES> the reason,  I   am  prepared  and  WILL  respond  publicly  to the
   ES> misinformation  that  is in the file contents.  BTW,  I   am  still
   ES> waiting for their answer on the F-4s on my query to them from  over
   ES> two months ago.

   I  have now received the files that Joseph has been nice enough to  put
   into  this  echo for me and I must say that I found  them  interesting.
   However  it  is still my contention --  and that of the team  --   that
   nothing has been disproved. I will say --  and I have mentioned this to
   Steve and Joseph on several occasions --  I  am a bit disappointed that
   the *Team* chose not to respond to the files and they were made public.

   I, myself, am considering responding, in sorts, to Joesph in regards to
   his  messages and also to the file released by Michael Corbin in  which
   he  addressed Don Kircher's 10/23/92  report because I still feel  that
   something  should be said.  I  do not believe for one instant that  the
   book  is closed.  After all,  unless one experiences something it  will
   always remain hard for others who haven't, to believe.

   Sincerely, Jack Mathias




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