SUBJECT: THE PHOENIX PROJECT FROM A GENIE FORUM FILE: UFO2502
PART 5
Filename: Phoenix5.Thd
Type : Message Thread
Author : Jack Mathias
Date : 09/02/02
Desc : Reply/Rebuttal to Trevor Prinn's editorial message
Directed to Michael Corbin
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Michael.
Have read the following and feel that I have the right to interject my
thoughts, etc. Not so much as for a defense to merely to clarify the
points. In order to limit the message size I will omit any areas that
do not pertain.
Oh, before I start I will say that I remember sharing messages with the
originator, Trevor Prinn.
....Jack L Mathias.
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* Forwarded from "ParaNet UFO Echo"
* Originally dated 08-30-92 2:10
From: Trevor Prinn - "TP>" denotes quotes from Trevor Prinn's message.
TP> I was quite interested in the Phoenix Project stuff until I read
TP> that Paranet had obtained it from Jack L Mathias. About a year ago
TP> Jack appeared in the Issues forum on Compuserve (CIS) with a couple
TP> of SF stories he had written under the name Jay Lewis, and was
TP> claiming to be true stories. They told of how he had been abducted
TP> by aliens on numerous occasions and had eventually been informed by
TP> them that he was himself an alien implanted into a human body and
TP> was, in reality, the husband (or something) of one of his
TP> abductors. He was trying to get them published as fiction but I
TP> didn't think he was likely to succeed.
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Mr. Trevor Prinn is right to a point. I did get involved in the
Paranormal Issues thread concerning UFOs etc and the topic of
adductions did come up. And as Trevor states, I did put two files into
the library which concerned the issue. However what Mr. Prinn says
about numerous abductions isn't exactly the way I put it. I told of my
1988 abduction and through this I learned I had been also abducted
during my childhood. To date, I have been unable to recall any of the
details and based my statement solely on what my abductors showed me.
The part where Prinn states ... "informed by them that he was himself
an alien implanted into a human body and was, in reality, the husband
(or something) of one of his abductors" .. doesn't add up. However, in
the story that I put into the library *The Recall* by J. Lewis, I did
describe events that to this day I still belive to be real. As I stated
at the time I wrote the stores as fiction because I knew that no one
would believe them to be factual. Even I had trouble believing it.
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TP> In subsequent messages in the forum he mentioned things like having
TP> broken into an underground alien base and getting into a (gun?)
TP> fight with the greys who occupied it.
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I made no such claim. However if I remember correctly there were some
people participating in the thread who tried to make this assumption.
FYI this base is the one mentioned in the Phoenix Project K2 Report and
if you have had the opportunity to read exhibit 21, I am the person who
met and conversed with the Grey. However, at no time were there any
hostil actions nor did anyone enter the base.
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TP> He also claimed to have been taught some mind control and ESP
TP> techniques by the friendly aliens from the SF stories. The first of
TP> these I recognised from an early novel by AE Van Vogt and when I
TP> asked him if it was called the cortical thalamic pause he confirmed
TP> it enthusiastically and near enough asked me which aliens had
TP> taught it to me. When I told him where it came from he replied that
TP> he had never read any Van Vogt, and that that author must therefore
TP> have had some alien contact similar to his own. I didn't believe
TP> the first part of that because I had already noted that the Jay
TP> Lewis stories showed some stylistic similarities to Van Vogt. I
TP> thought of writing to Van Vogt to get his opinion about the second
TP> part but decided that it would probably just annoy him.
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I still make the claim that I have not read any of the stories
mentioned by Mr. Prinn.
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TP> Later Jack posted some information about a further technique he had
TP> been taught that enabled him to carry out telekinesis.
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I stated that I experimented and had little sucess. I said I was able
to make a piece of paper vibrate but could not lift it. Someone,
possibly Mr. Prinn suggested using a paper clip, stating it would work
better. Unfortunately, I had no success there, either.
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TP> This also looked rather familiar and an hour spent poking around my
TP> quite extensive SF collection turned up Jack of Eagles by James
TP> Blish. Not only did this describe exactly the same thing in some
TP> detail but Blish also made a deliberate mistake when quoting the
TP> Blackett equation (a formulation of Heisenburg indeterminacy),
TP> which Jack had witlessly copied. I don't know if it was significant
TP> but both of these SF books were inspired by Count Korzybski's
TP> exposition of General Semantics, Science and Sanity.
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I continue to make the same claim as above. I have not read any of the
books mentioned. As for the Blackett equation I did use it but it
wasn't until after Mr. Prinn said what it was that I knew this.
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TP> I posted a reply that included a reference to a scene in Jack of
TP> Eagles so that Jack could, if he wished, continue our game without
TP> letting on to the other forum participants, but he didn't reply and
TP> posted no further messages in the forum. Not long after that money
TP> trouble forced me to reduce my CIS usage to just a mailbox
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Seems Mr. Prinn suffered the same fate I did. However I ceased my
connection in Issues/Paranormal when people started saying I should
contact Don Ecker of MUFON. [At least I think that was the person they
wanted me to contact. I am certain about MUFON. Ufortunately, I firmly
believed and still believe that would have been a dangerous move.
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TP> and distribution point for my shareware business so I didn't know
TP> that he had returned with more of this stuff. By coincidence, I
TP> intended to rejoin the Issues forum in a week or two anyway, so I
TP> hope he is still there peddling this Phoenix stuff - he gave me a
TP> few good laughs last time around.
TP>
TP> (Sorry if that was a bit long but you know how it is when you are
TP> assigning someone's character.) Trev Prinn
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I am also sorry this is so long, Michael. I failed to cut any of it
because in the long run, it all counted.
I will say this, however. When I got involved in Issues/Paranomral I
had no idea, what-so-ever that the Phoenix Project would ever release
any of our information. Had I, I sure wouldn't have input the
information I did because as you can see, it did, discredit me. At
least in Mr. Prinn's mind.
Sincerely
J. L Mathias. [Yes, the L stands for Lewis]
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