SUBJECT: The Issues Forum 06/10/90

SUBJECT: The Issues Forum 06/10/90 - GB UFOs FILE: UFO

Bert | <Dialing Ed Walters>
Drax | (Its me Jim Speiser)
Jerry Woody: Hi Drax and everyone
Ted | Hi James!
Sysop Georgia Griff: ha
Drax | (Well some people dont know my handle)
Bert | All set to go here. I have Ed on the line. ga

Ted | Tonights special guest is Mr. Ed Walters, the original
| photographer of the Gulf Breeze UFO and co author (with
| his wife Francis) of the book "The Gulf Breeze Sightings." ...
| Ed, are there any recent sighting that you would like to
| tell us about or any opening remarks that you would like
| to make? ga
Ed Walters: The sighting activity has continued very strongly. I can only
| comment on the events that I witnessed even though the
| investigators are flooded with many others. Along with
| these continued sightings by groups of people with video
| cameras and 35 mm cameras we have a hightened debunking
| effort. The 1990 symposium is 3 weeks away and it seems
| to have Phil Klass and his friends scared. The latest
| effort to debunk me is a planted model made from materials
| from my garbage. ga
Ted | Care to enlighten us about that? ga
Ed Walters: The model does not resemble the photographs that I have
| taken in color or details. It only has the general shape
| which is too flat and skinny, even though it was a very
| clever model and I am impressed with the debunking efforts. ga
Ted | Any idea how "they" gained access to your garage ga
STEVE PETERSON: WHO PRESENTED THE MODEL? GA
Ed Walters: I moved out of the house in question a year and a half
| ago and the house was on the open market .. open every day
| and very accessable for 10 months before it sold. But are
| we to believe that I am stupid enough to move and vacate
| everything from that old house except for a ufo model? ga
Ted | Just a reminder, this is a formal Conference. If you have a
| question or comment please signify with a "?" or "!"
| I will open the floor to questions in a few minutes.
| I am a bit confused. Did they find a model in your old home...
| or did they find a materials that a model was built from?
Ed Walters: The person who made the model is unknown and used material
| from my discarded garbage and then when the house was
| vacant some time during those 10 months placed the model
| at the top of the pull-down stairs in the attic. ga
Ted | Time to open the floor to questions. GA
Drax | ?
Ted | Ok, GA Drax
STEVE PETERSON: ?
Drax | Ed, assuming that the motive was to show the world what a
| hoaxer you are and damage your credibility, why would they
| wait so long to plant the model? Why wouldn't they time it
| to coincide with the release of your book, or beforehand,
| when you were doing publicity campaigns for the book? GA
Ed Walters: If I am correct, the time of planting would be while the
| house was vacant. Otherwise it would be very difficult to
| do and the debunking campaign has really been contiunous
| also involving the Smith hoax photo evidence i.e. Chrysler
| Bldg. UFO. ga
Ted | Ok, any follow DRAX? ga
marge Christensen: !
Drax | No, GA
Ted | Ok, ga Steve
marge Christensen: SORRY I GOT DISCONECTED BEFORE, HI EVERYONE
Ted | Ga Steve
STEVE PETERSON: ARE THERE PHOTOS OF THE POWER RING NOT FACING THE
| CAMERA? GA
Mike | ?
Ed Walters: Assuming you are talking about photos that I have taken
| there are some that show the craft in more of a profile but...
| I always tried to hit the shutter as the craft tilted
| forward making it brighter. ga
Ted | GA Marge
marge Christensen: Did I miss something or was there a comment about a
| blueprint of yours being found inside the model? Can you
| comment?
Ed Walters: The model was made of discarded material, styrofoam
| plates, drafting paper, old blue print planned paper all
| glued together with a hole in the bottom to insert a
| lightbulb. ga
Mike | ?
Drax | ?
Ted | GA Mike
Mike | I arrived late so excuse me if this question has already
| been answered. Who found the model and was its existence
| made known to the media? ga
Ed Walters: The present owner of the house went up into his attic
| where there's a large storage area and found it several
| weeks ago. The interesting part of this is that 4 days ago
| a news reporter came up to the door and asked if he had
| found any models. It seems to me like the debunker was
| tired of waiting for the model to be found and therefore
| called in a tip to a newspaper reporter. ga
Drax | ?
Ted | GA DRAX
Drax | This is second hand, but I understand you told someone else
| a slightly different story, namely that you had built the
| model at the behest of Dr. Maccabee for re-enactments and
| measurements? Any truth to this? GA
Ed Walters: I have built scores of re-enactment "models". All of
| them made from very rudamentary material. I never used
| styrofoam plates as this debunker model is made of. Mine
| were lampshades and cardboard boxes so that Maccabee could
| study size and distance calculations. ga
Drax | But did you tell anyone that this was a re-enactment model? GA
Ed Walters: The re-enactment models that I built were specifically
| requested by the researchers such as Maccabee and Nathans.
| The re-enactments were usually also video taped showing
| the activity of the investigators. ga
Ted | I think Jim (Drax) was trying to find out if you told anyone
| that the the discovered model was one of those commisioned..
| by Maccabee? ga
Drax | That's what I was after.
Ed Walters: When I saw the debunker model for the first time
| yesterday, I said immediately I have no idea and no
| information as to where it came from. And I certainly did
| not build it. ga
Ted | Ok, I know I had a lot of ?'s lined up before this bombshell ..
| was dropped. Somehow the timing seems, how do I say...
| Convieeeennnnient. (With apologies to Dana Carvey) So with
| that in mind, I'd like to ask a ? on a different subject.
| Can you tell us a bit about your abduction experiences? ga
marge Christensen: ?
Ed Walters: I have no concious recall of the hour and 15 min. of missing
| time on May 1, 1988. The hypnosis by Dr. Overlaid revealed
| many troubling events if we can trust the hypnosis. The
| reason I believe something happened of a physical nature
| during the missing time is I was left with bruises and
| abrasions on my temples, between my eyes,
| and on the back of my head. ga
Ted | Can you tell us a bit about what your hypnotic regression
| revealed? ga
Ed Walters: I have been asked that question many times and
| I still have no specific memory that would mean I was
| in a ufo. I could have been in a building someplace. I did
| not see any controls nor was I given a guided tour. I was
| held in a small room. ga
Ted | What happened in that small room? ga
Ed Walters: It's very difficult for me to make sense of those events
| I would rather believe, even though I can't, that it was
| all a dream. ga
Ted | Ok, Marge is next. ga
marge Christensen: Did the request for a pardon coincide with the
| publication of your book?
| The reason I ask is that you mention owning firearms in the
| book at a time when you were not permitted to own them as a
| convicted felon.
Ted | Seems like a "loaded" question. (Pun Intended) GA Ed
marge Christensen: A copy of your pardon is circulating in case you are
| not aware of that.
Ed Walters: When I told the MUFON investigator about two and a half
| years ago about my police record I had no idea Phil and
| the debunkers would try to throw it in my face. After all
| I was only an 18 year old kid. When it became clear that
| my police record was going to be an issue. I applied for a
| pardon in September of 1989. After a 6 month investigation
| into my background and character, the govenor signed
| my pardon. The guns that you refer to belong to my wife.
| The shotgun was always unloaded in transport. ga
STEVE PETERSON: ?
Scott Blight: ?
Ted | GA Steve
STEVE PETERSON: WAS THERE ANY SENSATION OF TEMPERATURE OR PRESSURE
| WHILE IN THE BLUE BEAM? GA
Ted | GA Ed
Ed Walters: The blue beam feels as if you are encased in hardened
| concrete. It does not squeeze. It only stops your
| movement. I didn't notice any heat change. But my mind
| was on other things. ga
Ted | Ok, GA Scott
marge Christensen: !
Scott Blight: Ed. Do you have any childhood memories of missing time
| and/or unaccounted for scars or wounds.ga
marge Christensen: Sorry, have to leave now. Supper's getting cold. Bye!
Ed Walters: Under hypnosis, Dr. Overlaid recovered missing time events
| at ages 11, 17, 25, and 33. No wounds or scars. ga
Scott Blight: What year would you have been 11.ga
Ed Walters: it would have been 1957. I'm 43 now. ga
Kay | ?
Ted | Ed, Do you have any idea what the "Other's" motivation
| might be? ga
Ed Walters: I was never given any message or had "conversations". I
| believe that the aliens are persuing their own motives.
| But many many people who write me letters feel like the
| entities are benevelent. ga
Ted | Ok, Kay is next GA Kay
Kay | One of the things that has puzzled me for awhile about this
| case is the fact that there are soooo many military bases
| in the area Navy, Air Force. How often if ever, do the
| military take notice of the goings on in Gulf Breeze, it
| seems to me that they would be very concerned
| about such happenings. GA
Ed Walters:The military aircraft consistently show up at the sighting
| locations moments after the ufo disappears. They deny the
| following day that there was any ufo or any aircraft in
| the area even though many scores of us have stood and
| watched and video taped these sightings of the aircraft. ga
Terry | ?
Scott Blight: ?
Ted | Ga Terry
STEVE PETERSON: ?
Terry | On our trip to Gulf Breeze we've noticed as we pass through
| Tyndall Field on U.S. 98 that there is some kind of drone
| research facility there. Is it possible that some
| sightings are connected with that
| and has anyone to your knowledge looked into that ? ga
Ed Walters: I'm not familiar with Tyndall. It's a long way from us -- in
| Panama City. ga
Ted | Ga Scott
Scott Blight: Ed. If you are 43 now then I guess you were born in
| 1947...Interesting. How that year keeps coming up....anyway...
| I just bought your book yesterday and haven't finished it yet...
| Was the any results from the analysis of the bubbling liquid.ga
Ed Walters: The analysis shows up at the end of the soil analysis
| (in the book).It's not labelled well. Hard to tell when
| the reports go from the soil to the liquid. ga
Mike | ?
Ted | GA Steve
STEVE PETERSON: OK...
| DID THE POWER RING ACT AS A JET NOZZLE
| POINTING OPPOSITE OF DIRECTION OF TRAVEL? GA
CosmicThAng: ?!
Ed Walters: The video tape shows the ufo traveling to the left and
| slightly tilted with the power source facing direction of
| travel. ga
Ted | GA Mike
Mike | When was the last time you experienced the "humming"
| and do you have any updates on the
| significance of "Zehaas"? ga
Ed Walters: The last humming was a slight hum on May 1, 1988. Your
| guess is as good as mine as to what Zehaas means. ga
Ted | GA CosmicThAng
CosmicThAng: Sorry I'm over an hour late.
| Comment: I appreciate your segregating the reports of
| conscious memory from any hypnotic recall. I appreciate
| that as a hypnotic subject.
| Question: Tell me if this has already been answered, but
| have you been regressed, what came out under hypnosis, and
| what is your opinion of the validity or reliability of
| hypnosis recall any thoughts on how to separate truth
| from potential fantasy?
Ed Walters: It's easier for me to believe that it's a dream because I
| don't like to believe otherwise. But the physical bruising
| makes me understand that something happened that I am
| still trying to understand.
Ted | DON, what questions does "UFO Magazine" have for Ed? ga DON
STEVE PETERSON: ?
Ted | I guess DON is gone. One last ? and Ed has to leave GA Steve
STEVE PETERSON: OK...
| ARE THERE ANY UPDATES ON THE PHOTO ANALYSIS SINCE THE BOOK...GA
Ed Walters: Morrow and Co. hired an independent analysis prior to the
| publication handled by Dr. Ebert, who concluded that he
| personally could not believe in space travellers but could
| find no evidence of photographic trickery. The sightings
| continue and Dr. Maccabee has dozens of other photographs
| and video tapes from Gulf Breeze witnesses. My mind is
| open to many different theories and I look forward to
| meeting and sharing at the 1990 MUFON symposium. Thank
| you very much. Good night. ga
Ted | I want to thank ED Walters for his time this evening and
| especially Bert. Not only for Bert's time but also for his
| dual telephones. Bert has been connected to not only CIS
| for this CO but also long distance from Michigan to Florida
| and has been relaying Mr. Walters ? and ! via land line!
| That is well above the call of duty. Heart felt thanks to
| Bert.
Steve R | Thanks
Terry | Thank you Ed.
Kay | Thank You for your time Mr. Walters
CosmicThAng: Thanks a lot Ed, though I don't know how you answered my
| question
Mike | Thanks much to Ed and Bert...and Ted.
Kay | Good Job Bert!
CosmicThAng: ?
Terry | Yes, thanks, Bert.
Bert | Night guys. It was real interesting. ga

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