SUBJECT: UFOs TONITE RADIO SHOW FILE: UFO2194
--- Greetings Fellow UFO Guys and Gals ---
The following is a partial transcript from
Don Eckers' weekly talk show titled "UFOs Tonite." Dons' featured
guest for this show was actor Dwight Schultz. Don and Dwight had
quite an experience recently while doing some field investigation
down in Roswell, New Mexico.
The show "UFOs Tonite" is broadcast by the "Cable Radio Network"
every Saturday night at 9pm PST. "UFOs Tonite" is available on
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I hope you enjoy this post. Any comments will be welcomed.
--Bill Ralls--
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Don: And we're back! That's right, here you are Saturday night with
me and me of course being Don Ecker. The show is "UFOs Tonite" and
you are listening to the "Cable Radio Network." Well, every week as
you know, we talk about one of mankinds' most misunderstood yet
mysterious phenomenon ever and that of course is UFOs. Well, you
know, a couple of months ago I was privileged to have an individual
in here join us for the first time, and he spoke for the very first
time publicly anywhere about his fascination, interest and study of
this subject. And if you were tuning in you probably heard that pro-
gram and it was a delight, and of course I'm talking about Mr. Dwight
Schultz, star of screen and television. Starring in such programs as
the "A Team", "Star Trek the Next Generation" and just a whole list
of too many to go on. Well, tonight Dwight is once again joining us
in studio, and we are going to be talking about something that we
haven't done a lot of as far as I'm concerned. You know, each week I
talk about and with people that are some of the top researchers, the
best known researchers anywhere available today, especially here in
the United States. Well, I haven't too often talked about my person-
al research and of course that's one of the things that I do do, and
recently on two out of state trips here Dwight was involved with this
research with me. And Dwight, I want to thank you for joining us in
studio, and not only are we going to be talking about the research
that we were involved in...[laughs] But one of the most well known
UFO cases around...Roswell. And ladies and gentlemen, he's had us
cracking up in here for fifteen minutes before the show. [Dwight is
snoring in the background] Dwight, are you awake? Hello!
Dwight:[JOKINGLY-French accent> What? I'm sorry. I'm Valerie LeMont.
I'm a PHD in Vanilla. I'm here to check your pants. Who is this?
Come now is this a joke?] Don, you said, "do do."
[Don and Dwight are cracking up]
Don: Did I say do do?
Dwight: Yes you did. You said, "do do" Don.
Don: [still cracking up] And if you'd like to join tonights conversa-
tion...
Dwight: [laughs] Thank you, Don.
Don: You can reach us by calling 818-352-7152 or 1-800-336-2225.
Dwight: I have to say hello to my wife Wendy and my daughter Ava.
Don: Are they out there listening?
Dwight: Yes, and I know my daughter is going to be going to bed to
bed here in a few minutes. So I just wanted to say hello and good
night sweetheart, to you too my darling wife, but I don't want you to
go to sleep until the show is over.
Don: Well, this is a family show, you know?
Dwight: Yes, it is, it certainly is, in my house it is. We wear
large fluorescent bulbs on our heads, sit around in the dark and lis-
ten to the show every Saturday night. That's practically the truth,
ladies and gentlemen. I am addicted to this show.
Don: You would not believe how many people have told me how upset
they are because I ruined their Saturday nights.
Dwight: Well, it's true, it used to be Sunday.
Don: Yeah, it used to be Sunday nights, of course nobody cared be-
cause they had to go to work Monday, but now they can't go out and
party like they used to.
Dwight: That's exactly right.
Don: Roswell, what a case. And we were talking about that before the
show tonight. We were talking about aspects of the Roswell case, and
our trip that we took down there recently.
Dwight: Yes, indeed. We both went the same time. First time in our
lives. First time for you, right?
Don: Yeah, it was the first time.
Dwight: First time for me and it was quite an experience. We could-
n't get out because of the airline. They take you in there, and they
fly you in a beanie with a propeller on it. [laughs]
Don: [laughs] That's true, that's true! Two days we were stuck there,
two days we were stuck there.
Dwight: I have to get closer to the microphone. I've just been given
the note.
Don: [laughs] Well, let me say the airline too, that we flew in on
and then flew out...Mesa. Promised, I was gonna give them a heck of
a plug. If you ever have to go to New Mexico, hitch hike don't fly,
don't fly.
Dwight: Yes, but it was, it was an extraordinary experience and is
the word synchronizity(sp) or serendipity, things happened there that
neither Don nor myself expected to happen.
Don: Was this the first time that you were ever involved in an actual
field investigation?
Dwight: Yes, this was my very first time. This is the first time
that I went with any, went with anybody who knew anything about this
to actually investigate some strange phenomenon.
Don: And that was a current ongoing flap that's still going on down
there.
Dwight: Yes, Jose Escamilla. And I was baptized with Mr.Ecker.
Don: [laughs-clears throat] Yes, in more ways than one, I might add.
Dwight: Yes, in more ways than one.
Don: If you by any chance you caught the "Hardcopy" program, there
was a segment on...well, a week ago Friday about this particular...
some of this footage. This guy who originally had been living here
in the Los Angeles area, originally from Roswell, moved back after
the earthquake, but they have had a ongoing series of sightings of
unusual objects, they aren't the only people. And while this is all
going on there is also at this point a huge air force operation that
is ongoing called "Operation Rolling Sand." And now whether these
"unidentifieds" are a part of the military operation, that's always
possible knowing, you know, or having at least some kind of idea of
what todays technology is, but whether it may be that or perhaps the
phenomenon is there because the military is there. Roswell, fifty
years ago of course, that area, I shouldn't say Roswell itself, but
that area of New Mexico there was a tremendous amount going on in the
military, the sciences. That's the general location where the "A
bomb" was developed and tested. The military had brought back a lot
of captured German "V2 rockets" that they were testing. There was
"experimental radar testing" going on, and that's of course when the
incident, the 1947 incident happened.
Dwight: Well, it's more than that to. It is the sense of history can
be very imposing when you arrive there and you realize that some-
thing was supposed to have taken place almost fifty years ago. Some-
thing that maybe changed the world, maybe didn't, we don't know, the
government supposedly knows. You don't know what's going to happen.
You somehow, you somehow feel like you're a part of something, but
everyone in that town talks about it. It's still alive there and it
isn't just a question of well, you know, we're telling, we're telling
tales here for the tourists because it is not a tourist town.
Don : No, you've got to work to get there.
Dwight: You've got to work very hard to get there. It's very iso-
lated and a lot of people will tell you how difficult it is to even
get food there. But everyone talks about this incident and everyone
has a story to tell and they all seem to be in the direction of it
really happened, it's not a joke. People don't laugh about it, they
don't joke about it, they kind of look...And sometimes you'll find
people not interested, they don't really want to come out and talk
about it, but they will. No one laughs at this, this is not a joke,
it's real, and it's a very strange feeling down there.
Don: It permeates our entire culture now. Not only is there the film
coming out the end of this summer sometime between July and August,
at this point that's what we hear. Even last night on Fox television
program "X-Files"...Roswell, the Roswell incident was mentioned. You
know, tonight what I would really like to do because I really want to
go into this case in some depth. I would love to hear from all of
you skeptics, the skeptical side that is out there. Now, I'm not
talking about mindless debunking, although we can deal with that too,
but I'm talking about people that genuinely are skeptical about the
idea of unidentified flying objects number one, and number two what
in fact these objects may be or represent. You know, when we talk
about UFOs we're talking about "not spaceships" as many people auto-
matically assume. We're talking about something that is uniden-
tified, apparently is manufactured and is flying around demonstrat-
ing physics we don't normally attribute.
Dwight: But Don, I do want to say one thing here to. To make it very
clear that we went to Roswell to investigate current phenomenon.
Something that is going on down there at this particular moment, but
what happened was that we were drawn into an event that...the event
that took place almost fifty years ago in an almost unbelievable
series of coincidences, and that is where I understood the madness of
UFO investigators because you seem to be chasing the magic tail of
the rabbit that you just see behind every corner and as you reach for
the tail it's gone and around another corner.
Don: And that's something that we're going to be discussing tonight
also. An unbelievable incident that happened that...it seemed to
come out of the "Twilight Zone."
Dwight: It certainly was...
Don: Rod Sterling would have been right at home there.
Dwight: Yes indeed.
Don: My guest this evening joining me in studio is Mr. Dwight Schultz
a very good personal friend of mine and a star of screen and stage,
and a gentleman that for the very first time right here at "UFOs
Tonite" just several months ago broached his very deep interest in
this subject publicly for the first time, which took a lot of courage
because there are many people out there that don't look kindly on
people with this interest and that's something else I would like to
address tonight later about the "new religion" that we are dealing
with. The new religion of course being "science" and their very
rigid ways of looking at certain things in our culture. It's some-
thing that we have to deal with and it's something that we should
address.
Don: Dwight, let's talk about the history of this to begin with. When
we're talking about Roswell, a lot of people think that this is where
it all started...Roswell, New Mexico, that's not true. The phenomenon
goes back many thousands of years, but as far as contemporary times
it started in the second world war.
Dwight: "Foo Fighters."
Don: Foo fighters. Now you weren't around then, I wasn't around then,
but...
Dwight: Almost, not quite.
Don: Did...when you were growing up did you hear anything about that
as you were a young man?
Dwight: No, I didn't hear anything about...about the real sightings
of unidentified flying objects. I didn't even...I think it was '52
that was the big flap in DC?
Don: Yes.
Dwight: Yes, I didn't even hear anything about that. It was motion
pictures that brought me to UFOs. I think the first film that I re-
member was "The Day The Earth Stood Still."
Don: Oh, Robert Wise(sp)...tremendous film.
Dwight: Yes, Michael Reny(sp) and "Gort the Robot" but yes I was not
aware of the truth, it was all a fiction. It wasn't until I actually
started to read and I would read in the newspaper accounts when I was
in grade school of people really seeing these things, and periodical-
ly there would be a radio program.
Don: Well, now you have told me you heard many of these programs back
in those days, and I unfortunately did not.
Dwight: Yes, I saw the "Armstrong Circle Theatre" 'cause my parents
watched. I saw the "Keyhoe" program and I wish that I could remember
it, but I have a vague vague memory of it as a child back in '58, and
I remembered the sound going off, and my father talking about it, and
the "big hubbub" the following day and what was...that there was a
government coverup. So, that is in my psyche from 1958. And...
Don: That's not something we heard a lot of in those days, is it...
coverups?
Dwight: No, no not at all, but it was in the papers the following day
after that show.
Don: And that of course was when Major Donald Keyhoe was censored on
the air live when he was trying to break away from the script that he
was following to basically say that there were people in the congress
that was interested in holding hearings on UFOs.
Dwight: Yes, and I have a vague memory of him being trashed for the
next seven, eight, nine, ten years because I wasn't actively involved
in this field. I just remember him vaguely being trashed. Then as I
started to, started to go to high school. I was the proud owner of a
seven transistor Japanese radio. I think it actually was American,
it was an RCA, and at night I would get the AM transmissions from New
York city. At night the signals would come in very strong from the
fifty thousand watt power houses..."WOR" in particular, and I'd lis-
ten to Barry Farber(sp) and Long John Nebel(sp) And these gentlemen,
Barry Farber, I remember...Ivan Sanderson(sp) frequently would cover
the subject of unidentified flying objects and the United States gov-
ernment and it's involvement in the subject, and Long John Nebel who
frequently had people with, with interest in the subject of UFOs on
his program and I would fall asleep. I don't think my parents knew,
but I would fall asleep late in the night. Sometimes I would stay up
until three o'clock, four o'clock in the morning 'cause his show was
from midnight, I believe until five. And that is where I developed
my interests, and that's where I also learned about the Vietnam war.
Don: On Long John Nebel?
Dwight: And Barry Farber in particular, listening to the debates on
those programs during the sixties, moving right along. So, I'm radio
educated, I listen to more radio than watch TV.
Don: You know that's one of the wonderful things about this particu-
lar CRN network because not only is it a radio signal, but it's spe-
cifically for television. You know, where you can get them both to-
gether. We have many people around the country that are in fact
tuning in on satellite, it comes right in on their...well, as a mat-
ter of fact, you told me that you heard the show first on satellite.
[satcom C3, transponder 23, 7.23mhz narrow]
Dwight: Yes, I had a dish in central California and I heard the show.
Don: Well, during all these times Long John Nebel and Keyhoe made a
number of appearances on that and of course there were many others...
Frank Edwards(sp) was covering the UFO beat. Many of you people may
not recognize the name of Frank Edwards, but he was an extremely pop-
ular very well respected radio broadcaster in the 50s and 60s who had
written two books on UFOs...UFOs, I believe it was "Serious Business"
and I'm trying to think of...or "Flying Saucers Serious Business" and
I'm trying to think of the other book, but Edwards and all these
people...Edwards, Keyhoe none of them ever mentioned Roswell. And if
they talked about crashed UFOs they were talking about basically
Frank Sculley's(sp) book which was published...
Dwight: About the Aztec...
Don: No, 1950..."Behind The Flying Saucers" I believe...it's been too
long ago, but that book has been pretty much roundly trashed, but not
many heard of Roswell. What do you attribute that to? A successful
coverup? Because it was...it made world wide news just at the time
it happened.
Dwight: Well, it certainly is...yes, I mean, I think this is the
great thing about libraries. You can go back and...I think that's...
wasn't the front page of the Roswell...wasn't that picked up in the
library?
Don: Yes, the Roswell Daily News.
Dwight: This story was very quickly killed, and I think now when you
look back and you see the history it's very clear that the government
was quick to step in and take this story right off the airwaves, and
consequently very few people knew about it, but with time the truth
does sort of leak out, and when people say that the government can't
keep a secret...well, to an extent they can continue to lie and say
no it didn't happen, but over three hundred people have come forward
to say it's not a secret anymore. So, in a sense they're right, they
can't keep a secret, and it's only been since the 70s that I've heard
the name that I've actually seen material written about it, and I...
and of course with the recent book of Randle and Schmitt's, "The
Truth About The UFO Crash At Roswell", it's all in perspective now,
and it's not a trashy book, it's not a silly book, it's not a stupid
book, it's a very well documented book that ties some very strange
stories together, and if we are to believe human beings, our com-
patriots, I think there's something here to be studied.
Don: Roswell, when we were down there still a relatively small rural
town. No interstate highways close by. One small little airport
where the airplanes work sometimes and sometimes they don't.
Dwight: No radar.
Don: I wanted to mention that. Not one bit of commercial radar in
that area. We talked to several people about that too, and the citi-
zens down there want to know why they don't have radar at their air-
port, but the military in fact had radar.
Dwight: But you have to say, it was the most incredible site because
when landed in this little plane, and there right next to the tower
was...were the camouflaged trucks and a few soldiers all wearing
their fatigues, and this little radar spining at the end, all mili-
tary.
Don: And a lot of high tech jet aircraft flying around.
Dwight: We saw stealth aircraft, we saw stealth aircraft...what are
they? I mean...we saw an amazing number...
Don: Well, there were F16, F111-B tactical bombers, the F117 stealth.
Dwight: We saw these flying not just...
Don: Yes, yeah, yeah they were flying around, and of course the
flashes of light which were moving incredibly fast. Later checking
the videotape some of these appeared to be unidentified objects when
we slowed the tape down...
Dwight: Well, your jumping ahead here. We went to the site where the
gentleman Jose Escamilla had said that he had taken these shots of
UFOs. We'd saw some videotape that had been given to Don by
"Hardcopy" and it was some amazing footage, and when you go down
there you don't know what to expect, and suddenly you jump into the
back of a car and this fellow is taking you to the spot and it's the
most...it's the strangest experience because it's a little dirt...
[laughs]
Don: [laughs] Well, it's midway, it's midway between Roswell and some
other town.
Dwight: And it's this little tiny...you don't want to call it a mini
mall ,but it could be called a mini mall in New Mexico, but it was
dusty and the people were very ordinary individuals and they just...
[hispanic accent> "Yeah, they're up there man, look at this!"] And
you want to say, I'm not really doing this, these people, this is a
joke. [Hispanic accent> "Just put your camera up there, just put your
camera up there man and you'll get 'em."] And your saying to your-
self, Oh please! I have been fooled, this is silly. [Hispanic accent>
"Just focus, focus on a plane, focus on anything that's up there and
they'll come, they'll come."] So, you really think you are being
silly and that's what happened, and sure enough suddenly there were
these flashes. I did not see them, but Don saw them, and I must tell
you I couldn't see the actual airplanes that were flying...I mean, my
eyes are not that good, but saw planes and I'm looking and looking
and I'm not seeing...
Don: But you were looking through the viewfinder of the camcorder.
Dwight: Yes, but they finally did come into view, so they really were
there, but these flashes that Don saw while the videotape was rolling
were real, and when we went back and checked the tape later concur-
rent with his scream, there's a flash, I see it. Were these...and
there's something flying around the planes very quickly, inexplic-
able...whether it was intelligently piloted craft, I can't tell you,
but I never seen anything quite like...So, there was something, some-
thing there going on, and we were only there for about two and a half
hours and there were...
Don: Right, but at that time Jose Escamilla already had over a solid
one hundred hours of videotape that he and his brother had already
stood out there and shot.
Dwight: And Hardcopy had also captured on their cameras inexplicable
objects, but at any rate you went there, we were there for two and
one half hours, and we caught something in that two and one half
hours. I don't know what it is. There's a lot of military activity,
these flashes of light, these objects "little globes" is what they
look like moving around changing directions at incredible speeds. I
don't know. I would love for someone to tell me what it was.
Don: Well, Hardcopy only showed the most minute amount of that
videotape. You know, some of the things that we saw Dwight. One
where the white object that appears to have a dome on it...
Dwight: Yes.
Don: was hovering and something dropped down through the frame, that
gray blob or whatever the heck it was. Another one where a rod was
flying from cloud to cloud. There was another sequence where he had
what appeared to be a rod shaped craft and it looked like it had
several...
Dwight: Globes on the bottom of it.
Don: Right, globes on the bottom of it. What in the world that was
is anybodies, anybodies guess.
Dwight: But again it's the difficult nature of this business. You're
sitting around saying, what is that, what is that? I don't know, I
don't know, I don't know, I haven't seen anything like that before
and so what you end up with is something that you don't know. But
it's not explainable, maybe it is, but no one in a position to ex-
plain it is taking anytime to explain it.
Don: Well, you know, unlike the very recent Michigan sightings. The
Michigan sightings which were verified on their civilian commercial
radar. Roswell doesn't have that luxury.
Dwight: That's right.
Don: And that's the one thing that just really amazed me. Why did
they not have radar? I mean, they've had an airfield there since the
second world war at least.
Dwight: Well, I don't know. I can't...we do know that they're trying
to get radar there. And you can being sufficiently paranoid as I am,
one can begin to think of reasons why they don't have radar, but
there maybe some explanation for it...why there's no civilian radar,
but there's certainly military radar.
Don: And they also have two UFO museums.
Dwight: Yes, this is the second part of the story folks. Don tell
'em.
Don: Two UFO museums.
Don: But you know, Dwight, speaking about Roswell, let's go back to
Roswell for just a moment. We were there. We were out at the sight
where the strange things were being seen. Then we decided to check
out the folks that are working in the UFO_biz there if you will at
the museums and low and behold as we walk in...
Dwight: This was the UFO Enigma Museum.
Don: The UFO Enigma Museum, which is run by Mr. John Price and their
research director is Clifford Stone, former guest of this program and
guy I have a lot of respect and fondness for. We go in there and
somebody that we'll call "Manny", because we can't use his real name
now, but ladies and gentlemen it was the most strange occurrence I
think that I've had happen to me personally in many years. John come
running out....
Dwight: Well, first of all you have to set the stage here. We have
gone into this museum, and we went there...it was empty. There was
nobody in it but the proprietor, we got there as soon as it opened.
As I said, it's not a tourist town, and all that you can see in this
other room, there's another room to the museum, and all I could see
were these legs and boots and a table and somebody was looking at a
big book, and that was the only other person in the museum. Go ahead.
Don: Well, John Price the owner came running out, he saw me, recog-
nized me and we shook hands, I introduced Dwight, and the words out
of his mouth and I didn't know quite what to make of it, but he said,
Don, he said, "This gentleman just came in just before you guys got
here, I'm sitting back, I'm talking to him, I think you need to talk
to him". And I said, well why would I need to talk to him John? He
said, "Well, this old fellow claims that he was one of the MPs that
was here at the old Walker Air Base, the Roswell Army Air Base, and
he was one of the people guarding the crash site when this happened".
And I was stunned, I didn't know, and I said, well you know, has any-
body ever talked to this guy before? He said, "No, he literally came
in out of the blue". So, Dwight... we walk in, sit down, meet the
gentleman... we'll call him "Manny" for now, and what was your first
impressions?
Dwight: [laughs] Well, he said something that was extraordinary, and
that was... and Jonathan Price said this under his breath to Don. I
was sitting off...I mean, I'm not an expert, I'm just trailing along
here having the experience, gritty experience of an UFO investigator
and Mr. Price walked up to Don and said, [whispering> "We got a gen-
tleman in here and he says he's got a piece of it, [Don laughs] says
he's got a piece of the saucer".] And of course I...[laughs] I mean,
who in fifty years has said they have a piece of it? I mean, I
haven't...I mean, I've heard tell that there is a piece of it. I
haven't actually...no one has yet formally come forward and said, hey
I've got a piece of it. And he was looking, the gentleman was look-
ing at what you would call a yearbook that the museum had put to-
gether.....
Don: It was a unit history book.
Dwight: Yes, a unit history book. And he was having trouble finding
himself. And I said, [skeptically> Ah, well there you go...here's
somebody who's come here for a little notoriety or whatever, he can't
find himself in the book, he's going to say that he was there, but he
just can't happen to find himself.] So, the gentleman wore glasses,
he was elderly, and he was various going from page to page, and he
said, "I can't find myself". And Don came in, Don sat down and
started talking to him, and then I started looking through the book.
And I just started looking for Manny's name and there it was, he had
missed it, he was there.
Don: And not only was he there, but when he had gone down to this
museum, he had gone down thinking that there was going to be a re-
union of all his old buddies from the 509th at this particular time,
which didn't make any sense to us.
Dwight: He said, "Reunion, I came here for a reunion, I saw it on the
TV, they were having a reunion, and they asked people to come". And
suddenly it became clear that "Showtime" had been publicizing...well,
first of all Randle and Schmitt held a press conference...
Don: Right, in Roswell.
Dwight: for their book, and Showtime had been publicizing their
movie, and the movie...the premise of the film is a reunion. And the
old man saw some PR for the book, heard the press release for the
book and the people promoting it saying, anybody who has any informa-
tion please come forward, and then he saw the promo for the movie
about a reunion, and he thought that that's what was going to occur.
Don: And it wasn't...he was wrong, but he came up anyway, and as we
found out the story even gets stranger.
Don: So, we're down there, here's this old fellow we're calling
Manny. We find his...you find his photograph in the book, and he
brought along some...his marriage certificate to prove that he had
been married at the 509th by a certain officer, which we have copies
of that stuff, and then tell them what he said about his "little
men." This was one of the most fan...and it just literally came out
of nowhere.
Dwight: Well, first he described everything that happened, that he
was there, that he saw it, and basically he retold the story in basic
terms that's been told many times now. And he said he carved the
"little men", he called them his "little men" he carved them and then
he said, with a glint in his eye, "Why would I do that, why would I
do that?"...he did say that. I said,[joking> For about twenty five
thousand dollars and a stint on a TV show, is that right?...no. He
said, "Why would I do that?" And he carved these "little men" and he
said his daughter and his son saw it and he had a piece of the
saucer. He said, he got the biggest piece and he took it out and he
said that his son knew where it was, it was in the attic. He said,
he put it there, and he told the story of how he was sent away from
Roswell to an island immediately after the retrieval and that they
never saw... anybody that was involved in the retrieval no one saw
each other again, they were all sent to different places and then he
was...it caused a disturbance in his family and that his wife peti-
tioned the base because she said she was going to kill herself and
kill her children if they didn't send him back and he eventually did
come back and then he went off to the Korean war.
Don: And we saw his military records because we took a trip to where
this gentleman lives, which I'm not going to identify, but we took...
Dwight: But he is legit...
Don: The man is...
Dwight: But he disappeared, first the story is he disappeared, he got
up and walked...he said "I'm leaving." He got up and walked out and
Don being very pensive and paranoid just kept saying, "Dwight, we
should have followed him, we should have taken him home with us, we
should have taken him back, we should have, we shoulda, shoulda,
woulda, coulda. And we didn't, we couldn't, weren't there for that
purpose, but yes, this is what happens you're taken, you're taken in
some other direction.
Don: Well, you're in such a weird space. Do we believe this, do we
don't believe this? I mean...
Dwight: But his picture was in the book, he was there! this man was
there and he was telling a story that personally effected him and his
family and he told of his son and his daughter. Well, we left and
came back to Los Angeles, and low and behold Don tries to get in con-
tact with this gentleman and finds out that the old man is missing,
and is talking to his daughter and his daughter says, "that he had
been missing for a week" and she was crying. And to make a long
story short, we directed them to where he might be, they found him,
they took him back. We talked to his son and his daughter and they
corroborated his story...that the old man had said he had a piece of
it, they called it the "rock", it just looked like a dull piece of
metal, but they called it the "rock" and old man had had it for years
and they just thought that his was a crazy old man, but many...they
all corroborated this, they all corroborated the story and everything
that he had said about being sent away and they just thought he was
an old man telling stories. And he... they made fun of him in fact
they laughed at him and now they...
Don: But they were very pensive after we spoke to them, very pensive.
Dwight: This is true ladies and gentlemen that the family felt sorry.
I mean, they were in a little bit of pain about how they had treated
their father all these years because they didn't believe him and now
there is... basically when his wife died all of his belongings were
somewhere left in this house somewhere, sold somewhere, crated away
and now there is a mad rush to look for this rock that they all saw
and now that they know is valuable and maybe important. So it's...
Don: Perhaps.
Dwight: It's a very very bizarre situation. How can you get so close
as to have somebody say I saw it and then to meet a family and say,
"yeah, we didn't believe it, we threw it out, it was a paperweight,
it was sitting on the TV." They're looking through photos of the TV,
looking for a picture of this thing, a paperweight which was a piece
perhaps, perhaps from a flying saucer or as I told Don, maybe it's a
'46 Chrysler, but we've got to find out.
Don: Yes, it could be a 1946 Chrysler, think about that.
Don: You saw what I got in the mail this week from Manny?
Dwight: Yes, I did see that.
Don: The fellow that we were talking about turned around and carved
several more of his little men to show us exactly what it was that he
carved back in '47, '48.
Dwight: And it's right on the button folks. Not only that, he also
corroborated some other things which we have heard which have not
been published or not... I don't think they have been verified, but
he says that "they came back" and that "they came back looking for
the crashed saucer", and we actually heard that while we were down
there from someone else who is very knowledgeable. I mean, there is
no way of verifying that, but we had just heard this story prior to
the old man telling it and it also sent chills up my spine to hear
that because you were hearing another military, someone else in the
military telling part of the story that you hadn't heard before be-
cause he was one of the MPs who was guarding the site, and it was a
very strange experience.
Don: If somebody would have told me that this was going to happen. I
would have said, the only way this could have happened is if it was
orchestrated, but yet this wasn't.
Dwight: No, it was truly serendipitous and we were there and the
story may not be over yet, but if it is for this gentleman, he's
another verification, another eye witness to an incident that bog-
gles the mind.
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