SUBJECT: COMPUSERVE CON WITH GEORGE & SHIRLEY COYNE FILE: UFO1414
*********** The Issues Forum 12/10/89 19:58:55
Ted | Tonight we are fortunate to have as our special guests...
| Shirley and George Coyne (with Bert acting as a local host.)...
| The Coyne's are not new to our forum as about a year ago they...
| were guest in a similar Sunday night session....
| For those of you who were not there the transcript is in LIB 10
| under COYNE.CO. Shirley is an Abductee and was mentioned in...
| "Intruders". Tonights CO will be formal and I will...
| start out with a brief on-line interview...
| Shirley, at our last CO you were plagued with survailence by...
| "Black Helicopters" is that still going on? ga
SHIRLEY | ok...
| Funny you should mention that. At about 5:00 pm tonight...
| a black helicopter flew slowly over our trailer....
| It is interesting that George had told several people on
| the
| phone that Bert was going to be here around that time.
| However, Bert
| did not arrive until 5:30. So he did not see it. George did get
| some photographs of it. Hope they come out. It was low
| enough to see
| the special insignia that we now recognize. Also a few
| months ago...
| we were working with some abductees who were scheduled to be...
| at our place at 7:00 pm. The copter showed up at 6:45 and
| hovered for 45 min. The people had had a previous experience with the
| copter and turned and ran when they got here and saw it. GA
Ted | Ok...
| What do you think the significance is of the helicopters? Has...
| you opinion changed since our last CO? ga
SHIRLEY
| We still think it's the NSA as determined by their telling...
| Senator Reigle to "bow out". GA
Ted | Please explain. ga
George | ok...
| We had written to Reigle and he wrote letters to CIA, NSA and
| FBI...
| trying to get them to cease harrassing us. FBI told Reigl that...
| they were not interested in George and Shirley Coyne as ...
| investigative subjects. And the NSA said that they were...
| not interested in George Coyne as a subject. And the next day...
| Sen. Reigle closed the case. GA
Ted | Ok...
| Any new sightings/experiences since our last CO? ga
Shirley | We have not had any. But there have been a number of new
| abuductees....
| found who are waiting for help (regression). GA
Ted | Ok...
| What is your advice to others who might find...
| themselves victims of the abduction phenomenon? ga
Shirley | ok...
| First we reassure them that we don't feel that any
| intentional...
| harm has been exhibited, in order to set their minds at ease.
| ...
| If they are not having any problems coping, we advise them to
| ...
| leave it alone. Because once they embark there is no turning
| back. GA
Ted | Ok....
| I will now open the floor to general questions GA People!
Bill | ?
Ted | Ga Bill
Bill | Shirley, I hope I'm not wasting the group time by asking for
| conjecture...
Bill | but...It has become quite apparent to me over the years...
| that intelligent interests in our government work very hard...
| to go WAY out of their way to make it bizarrely obvious to
| people...
| that they are under sr
| surveillance. Would you care to offer...
| a guess as to why?? What is their goal in this? And why do
| you think...
| your problems are NSA?? If the CIA didn't respond negatively
| to Reigle, maybe it's them.
| ..
| Besides, they are more often involved in the...less passive
| aspects of intelligence/ GA
Ted | GA Shirley
Shirley | ok...
| perhaps they are afraid we are being given secrets...
| that might get in the wrong hands. We think it was NSA
| because...
| Reigle closed the case the day after he heard from NSA. He was
| probably...
| told to drop it. This was before he heard from CIA. Again the
| CIS said...
| they were not interested in this. GA
Terry | ?
Ted | I am sure
| you ment CIA not CIS....
| GA Terry
Terry | Shirley, can you describe thew chopper's insignia?
| ga
Shirley | ok...
Ted | GA Shirley
Shirley | It's an approximately two foot white circle...
| with a small black circle in the middle of it. GA
| Also...
Terry | On a black chopper?
Shirley | the chopper is black with black windows, no numbers...
Ted | Does that strike a familiar note Terry? ga
Terry | No....do you measn a white disk with a black circle on it...
Shirley | no letters....insignia is on left side partially on door and
| "nose" .ga
Terry | or a black circle withina white circle?
Shirley | ok...
| It's a black solid circle within a larger white circle. GA
Terry | Thanks,. ga
julie | /
| ?
Ted | Have you had a personal encounter or abdcuvtion since...
| our last CO? ga
Shirley | No we have not. ga
| Our last abduction...
Ted | Ok, Julie is next
Shirley | was August of 83. ga
julie | What do you think the purpose of the copter is--just letting
| you know they're watching?
Shirley | ok...
| we think they are trying to scare us out of the field...
| because we do so much public speaking on radio, TV,
| newspapers...
| private groups, etc. ga
julie | are you being scared at all?
Jack | ?
Terry | ?
Shirley | We are more scared of the government than the "aliens". ga
Ted | Jack is next
Jack | Ok...
| After reading several of the "abduction books" out on the
| market...
| it seems that a common thread is the continuing (and previous
| from childhood)..
| activity or interest by the abductors. Is this the case with
| most...
| abductees (including yourselves) ? ga
Shirley | Yes...
| GA
Terry | ?
Ted | Terry GA
Terry | If the chopper photos come out...
| will copies be available? ga
Shirley | Sure...
| we also have a video from a previous encounter....
| this on occured during a Michigan MUFON meeting with 54
| attendees. ...
| We watched the video a number times that day during meeting. GA
Terry | How can I get a copy? ga
Shirley | I'll see if I can have a copy made. Will try to get it to you
| through...
| Bert. ga
Terry | Thanks. ga
Ted | Shirley, Jack talked about the "common threads" from
| childhood...
| can you tel us about your early childhood expereinces? ga
Shirley | ok...
| In my first experience I was 9 years old. I was taken from my
| bedroom...
Bill | ?
Shirley | after my mother shot at them a rifle. I was taken aboard the
| craft...
| put through a painful examination. I encountered on
| particular...
| entity that I know as Ooulaad. I have encountered the same
| "individual"...
| on a number of occassions since that particular abduction. Not
| all...
| of my experiences have been painful, and they have not all
| been...
| bad. The experience in 1983 was a healing experience. After
| that...
| experience I was cured of a life long bout with Lupus and
| Addisons Disease. ga
Ted | Ok, Bill is next ga
Bill | Shirley, I'm undergoing hypnosis with David Jacobs..,.
| and I've recalled a number of abductions so far...
| I feel emotionally calm, but I am not ready to accept...
| the regression "memories" an anything other than fantasy yet.
| How do you...
| distinguish the two and how long did it take you/or does it
| take...
| most folks without a conscious contact experience, to accept
| the "memories"
| as reality? I have a second ? too, if there's no line. GA
Shirley | ok...
| first outside of Budd Hopkins, you probably could not do better
| than...
| David Jacobs. He is one of the best....
| David should be able to make a reasonable judgement as to
| what...
| is fact or fantasy. It is very common...
| to feel that it's fantasy during the first few sessions....
| it's also harder for men to accept the experience than women....
| because men are brought up to feel more in control. ga
Terry | ?
Bill | GA Terry
Ted | Ok, Bill any follow up? ga
Terry | Shirley, did any of your experiences o cur...
| near St. Augustine, Fla? ga
Shirley | One of my encounters when I...
| was 17 was in Orlando, Florida. I think Bill had a followup
| question. ga
Bill | OK< sorry Terry...
| Ted wanted me to ask about a thing I had on my finger...
| It is a conscious memory, vivid. I came home as a kid &
| walked...
| in the house and there was this thing attached to my finger...
| It was opaque, and yet you could not see the bottom...
| It had the consistency of flesh or rubber, was on the end of...
| my 2nd or 3rd finger from the thumb...
| and had lots of little tiny glittery specs in it...
| It could not be dislodged and I had no idea where it came
| from...
| My parents noticed it first. Two weeks later, just before a
| scheduled...
| doctor's visit to examine it, it disappeared the same way. No
| memory..
| my parents noticed it first. Ever heard of such an external
| "implant?" GA
Shirley | ok...
Richard Salts: (5-11 Richard) I a
Shirley | I haven't really heard of anything like that. How big was it? ga
Ted | Ok...
Bill | It was the width of the finger, was towards the end...
| Like a super big blister, I guess, but I'm not...
| sure of the size of my fingers at the time. It had no sense of
| ...
| feeling or touch unless I tried to pry it off, then I felt the
| pull...
Terry | !
Bill | on the skin underneath. Under hypnosis, I recalled it being ...
| applied. First, little holes were made in the skin, and then
| an...
| adhesive was applied in the score marks and on the thing. GA
Ted | I have heard of something like that twice now (other than
| Bill)..
| First time ws fro, Budd Hopkins and the "Glittery" implant..
| was in a young boy's chest. It "popped" out and broke...
| and was described as "mica" like in substance. The second...
| time occurance was also on the finger. At this point I can't
| recall...
GEORGE FORD: ?
Ted | where I read it. But it was in the last 6 months...
| I will check! GA Terry
Terry | Nothing, just a silly thought. ga
Bill | !
Shirley | !
Ted | Nothing is silly here GA
Terry | I'm silly almost everywhere, Ted. I just thought it sounded
| like a ...
| wart.
| Sorry. ga
Ted | Ah! A Mica filled "wart." Ok, GEORGE is next GA
GEORGE FORD: DID ANYONE SEE THE MOVIE COMMUNION? WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON MOVIE? GA
Ted | Ok..
| George we are having a formal CO...
| with Abductee Shirley Coyne as a guest...
John | Hi, all!!
Ted | after we get through the formal; part we can talk about...
| general experiences. GA Bill
Bill | ok
| I just wanted to clarify a detail I provided about the
| "thing."...
| The tiny holes scored in my finger were painless, and done with
| a chrome-
| like hook thing. Glue was dropped in there, and then the
| adhesive that was...
GEORGE FORD: YES
Bill | placed on the "thing" was actually placed.
| ...
| on the RIM of the circular thing. This made it impossible...
| for me to get anything underneath it and pry it off. It
| wouldn't budge. GA
Ted | Ok...
Jack | ?
Alf | ?
Ted | Interesting! Shirley did you have a comment? ga
Shirley | ok...
| I have heard of situations where when the people came...
| out of the craft, they had some sort of glitter on their body.
| I have...
| not heard of the "attachment" procedure you describe. ...
| This past week right after a series of "dreams" that George and
| I...
| both had, we discovered a small yellow ball a little larger
| than...
| a beebee....
| it is very light and scored. I have tried to cut it with a
| knife...
Terry | ?
Shirley | and took finger nail file to it. I could not mark it at all.
| The three...
| of us are sitting here looking at it right now. It would be
| interesting...
| to get it analyzed. ga
Terry | ?
Ted | Yes it would...
| Bert, as a scientist what does it look like to you? ga
Bert | ok...
| It looks pretty much like Shirley described. It sort of looks
| sort...
Jack | ?
Bert | of like a pearl, however it has some grooves in it....
| when we look at it under a magnifying glass, it looks sort of
| like...
| are you ready for this....
| a small "brain" <grin>. GA
Terry | ?
Ted | Ok...
| (I'll refrain from comment.) GA Jack
Jack | ok...
| Does the ball float ? Is it magnetic ? Also, Shirley have you
| verbal...
| communication with the individual you named ? ga
Bert | ok...
Shirley | We are testing it right now for flotation. Hang on...
| OK, it does not float. It dropped like a rock...
Terry | ?
Shirley | We are surprised because it is so light. ga
Jack | ga Terry
Terry | Where did you find it?
Shirley | ok...
Terry | ga
Shirley | It was in the living room besides George's chair. We are...
| noticing right now that exposure to the water resulted in...
| a change in color, from yellow to white. It also now seems to
| be...
| acquiring some "glitter". ga
Jack | ?
Bill | !
Ted | Ok..
| Alf is next GA Alf
Alf | ok...
Jack | sen 4 Bert It should be easy to measure density/specific
| gravity in the water
Alf | Shirley, among abductees has anyone reported memories...
| of creatures that look like "elf"s (for lack of a better
| analogy)...
| but not like those creatures that Strieber reports ? ga
Shirley | Yes...
GEORGE FORD: ?
Shirley | we are aware of "creatures" (I saw one myself)...
| 3 and a half to 4 feet tall...
| brownish yellow hair about 4 inches long....
| and they are stockier than the "grays"...
| they sometimes wear a brown hooded cloak. When I saw it, George
| and...
| another abductee were in the room with me, and they did not see
| it. ga
| He laid his hand...
Shirley | on my shoulder and then disappeared. ga
Ted | Tery is next. GA Terry
Alf | !
Terry | I asked mine and was answered, Ted. ga
Bill | ?!
Ted | Ok.. GA ALF
Alf | thx...
| Shirley , what you just said was NOT comforting! ..what did...
| you mean it 'disappeared' ? (that I didn't expect you to saY!)
| ga
Shirley | ok...
| it was just as if it moved out of our dimension into another.
| The...
| same way it probably came in. ga
Alf | ?
Shirley | I know it's hard to swallow, but it's the truth. ga
Ted | Ga Alf
Alf | Was it in your room , your home? ga
Shirley | It was in the home...
Alf | !
Shirley | of an abductee that we were interviewing. ga
Ted | Ok..
Terry | ?
Ted | Bill is next. GA Bill
Bill | ?
| OK...
| Is glitter still appearing? What color(s) are showing up?..
Shirley | ok...
Bill | My both appeared and disappeared on uneventful walks home from
| the...
| local swimming pool, so I was wet at the time. GA
Jack | ?
Shirley | After holding the round thing, were are all noticing now...
| that there is a little glitter on our hands. The thing is
| still...
| it's changed color (white). It now seems to have a few ....
Jack | !
Shirley | small black specks in it. ga
Ted | Ok..
Bill | F-U?
| That's follow up, not profane FU
Ted | The order is: Alf, Terry and Jack GA Alf
Alf | thx...
| the reason I brought up the 'elf' issue is a 'dream' that I
| had...
| and I always brushed it off although it was so...
| REAL. I had just finished taking a shower and returned to...
| my room. Sitting at the end of the bed I noticed after a few...
| moments the presence of a very small person at the head of
| the...
| bed. Dressed in all white. Looking at me with his round eyes
| with...
| no white part to them, slighltly parted mouth with pure white...
| teeth. He had whispy whiskers, whitish/grey and grey hair...
| skin was like someone from India but skin of a baby!...
| I then heard a noise like someone was pushing an enevelope
| under my door...
| and when I turned around he had gone! It took quite a while
| tho...
| and I was able to observe him very well...
| even made sketches of it/him...
| ga
Ted | OK. Terry then Jack. GA Terry
Terry | About these little creatures, Shirley....
| Could you see them if you looked directly at them...
| or only peripherally? ga
Shirley | ok...
| Yes I was looking directly at him and saw him clearly. ga
Terry | Okay. Thanks. ga
Ted | Ok..
| Jack GA
Jack | ok...
| Shirley, are there any plans to have the ball analyzed. I would
| be very...
| interested in the results. ga
Bill | ?
Shirley | ok...
| we were just talking about that. We will try to find a lab.
| Maybe...
| Bert can help us on this. ga
Jack | ok...
| I think I would document and photgraph it (and maybe )...
| do some simple tests, just it case it gets "lost". ga
Shirley | Good points. ga
Ted | GA Bill
Bill | This seems to be a ? that comes up...
| over and over again. At the risk of getting my...
| "file" reactivated, shouldn't MUFON or CUFON or whoever...
| select a scientific volunteer panel to study various aspects...
| of precious physical evidence?? People you trust. GA
Shirley | ok...
| MUFON is actually in the process of doing that for exactly...
| that purpose. ga
Terry | ?
Ted | GA George
GEORGE FORD: thx...
| Shirley, concerning your abductions experiences...
| what do you think of Mr. Streibers works...
| since he is / was foremost a fiction writer.. of war storees,
| etc. ga
Shirley | ok...
| we know Mr. Streiber well...
| he is primarily a writer and has a good imagination....
| he told us that when he couldn't make any more money in ufos,...
| he would go into something else. Evidently, channelling. ga
Ted | Did he say channeling or is that your conclusion? ga
GEORGE FORD: i had some trouble reading transformation, seemed so far
| from mainstrea.
| ga'
Terry | ?
Shirley | Transformation was stories from other people...
| based on letters he received. ga
Bill | ?
Ted | Did Strieber say he would go into channeling? ga
Shirley | He did not tell us...
| but he has told other people that his next thing...
GEORGE FORD: ?
Shirley | would probably be channelling. ga
Ted | Ok...
| Terry is next ga
Terry | Shirley, do y'all have an aquarium?
| ga
Shirley | No pets. ga
Terry | Okay. ga
GEORGE FORD: ?
Ted | Bill is next GA
Bill | Oh, sorry...
| I was going to ask if WS was being serious or funny. ..
| Of course, you can channel aliens and get 2 for 1 . That's all
| GA
Terry | ?sen 10 Well, she's been describing a snail egg...
Ted | Ok..
| GA GEORGE
GEORGE FORD: thx...
| Shirley, what has been said to abductees concerning...
| prophecies, and general timing for ufos appearance to all? ga
Bill | ?
Shirley | ok...
| Most of the abductees that we deal with feel that...
| ufos will eventually be coming en masse. ga
Ted | GA BILL
Bill | En masse with hostility or to rescue us or as tourists??..
| and, Is it common for abductees...
Alf | !
Bill | to WANT to interact with the "others" and to...
| obsess years before thinking of this seriously about
| interacting with the,m? GA
| ga
Shirley | ok...
| first they are necessarily coming as hostile visitors, but
| they....
| are coming for their own purposes. This comes up while people...
| are under hypnosis and the people are usually shoced when
| they...
| realize this. ga
Terry | ?
Ted | Ok.. GA ALF
Bill | FU?
Alf | perhaps if we could time their coming...
| just right we might be able to ...
| make a bundle at Wall St! ga
Ted | GA Terry
Shirley | NOT necessarily hostile (correction). ga
Terry | Shirley, do they have any apparent weaknesses that you've
| noticed?
| Physical or mental? ga
Shirley | ok...
| I think they fear our size and strength and that's why...
| they contol us. Perhaps WE are the hostile ones. ga
Alf | !
Ted | Ok...
GEORGE FORD: !
Ted | Bill is next witha (F)ollow (U)P [FU] - sorry about the ..
Bill | I've already asked it in private, but I never..
| did really get an answer about my "obsession" with them..
Ted | missunderstanding Bil) GA Bill
Bill | for years before I ever...
| considered hypnosis or seriously that I may have been abducted>
| GA
Ted | Ok GA Alf
Bill | Is that common, Shirley? GA
Alf | ok...
| perhaps indeed we are the hostile ones, but...
| size and strength never seemed to favor the Gorillas in
| Rwanda...
| and we might be talking here of a space faring
| civilization(s)...
| so much farther ahead of us than we of the Gorilla. ga
Ted | Good point Alf. ga
Shirley | True. ga
Ted | GA George
GEORGE FORD: thx...
Bill | !
GEORGE FORD: we might be as in Zecharia sitchin's "Wars of Gods and
| Men"...
Terry | ?
GEORGE FORD: are we created, prodigy of these people, have got in fight
| with them in past? ga
Shirley | ok...
Ted | Comments George and Shirley? ga
Terry | ?
Shirley and George: ok...
| There is a possibility that they were involved with the ancient
| Sumarians....
GEORGE FORD: ga
Shirley and George: or some other group...
| and contributed to our more modern evolution. ga
Ted | OK, GA Bill
Bill | As a child, I would go outside with a flashlight...
| shine it up at the stars...
| and say "I know there are people up there....
| Come and visit me. At least let me see you. Fly by ONCE.!"...
| This was YEARS before seeing UFO books in school or any of this
| stuff. Is this...
| type of early conscious manifestation of a history usual ?? GA
Shirley and George: ok...
| Yes, this is common. I (Shirley) used to sit on the step when...
| I was five and look up at the sky and be angry...
| and ask why they brought me here. And said why don't you come...
| back and get me. ga
Bill | ?
Terry | ?
Ted | GA Terry
Terry | You think they fear our size and strength; what about....
| our weapons? Have they expressed any interest in....
| gun control?
| ga
Shirley and George: They're not afraid of out weapons. ga
Ted | GA Bill
Bill | But is an emotion of lonliness and longing for them...
| usual as well as fear and anger? And do you feel...
Terry | ?
Bill | you are genetically or socially or spiritually partially with
| them...
| and not with the remainder of Earthly humanity?? GA
Shirley | ok...
| Longing and loneliness is very common...
| at some point in your experiences you seem to get over....
| your fear and anger and beging to grow spiritually. I don't...
| necessarily feel that I am "with them", however, I also feel
| that....
| I don't belong here. I don't feel that I belong to the people...
| that I call my family. ga
Terry | ?
Ted | GA Terry
Terry | Do the aliens show any sign of having, recognizing or
| understandxing...
| a sense of humor? ga
Shirley | Yes...
| when I was 9 years old, during that experience, I said I...
| don't know what the word unique is when he used it. He patted...
| me on top of the head and chuckled and said that he would...
| teach me many things. ga
| They can also show anger. ga
Ted | Ok...
| Any other questions? ga
Bill | ?
Alf | ?
Ted | GA Bill
GEORGE FORD: ?
Bill | How many times have you been hypnotized in total by now?
Ted | GA Shirley
Bill | GA
Shirley | ok...
| about 15 times. ga
Ted | GA ALF
Alf | ok...
| you said, Shirley, that they can show anger...
| now that sounds very threatening! How have they...
| manifested anger? to you? others? reason? ga
Shirley | ok...
| the being got angry with me because he told me what to do ...
| to help George with a heart problem. It frightened me and I
| jerked...
| my hand away, and he grabbed my hand and put it back...
| on George's chest. And was angry with me and told me...
| that "I would do it". He told me to put my left hand on...
| Georges chest and it felt like an electric shock. That is
| what...
| frightened me. George was having chest pains and trouble
| breathing. ...
| The result was that George's problem eased up. ga
Ted | GA GEORGE
GEORGE FORD: ok...
| Shirley, the aliens responses to the abductees..commanding,
| anger...
| makes them seem god-like,,any abductee msessages concerning...
| religious tie-ins, to any earth relighions, reincarnations> ga
Ted | Any others? ga
Shirley | ok...
| The beings have told us that reincarnation...
| is a fact. As far as religion goes, the beings have told us...
| that we are all of one "supreme being". ga
GEORGE FORD: ?
Ted | Ok...
| It is getting late and I would like to thank...
| Shirley and George Cpyne for being our VERY special...
| guest tonight. Also I would like to thank Bert for...
| traveling to the Coynes' and acting as our local..
| host in Michigan. Any final comment Shirley or George? ga
GEORGE FORD: send 4 that we are like an atom in some larger existence
| "dimension?"
Shirley and George: ok...
| It's been great. Thanks for having us on...
Terry | !
Shirley and George: we would be happy to do it again in the future. ga
Ted | Ok..
Bill | Thanks Shirley & George& Brt & Ted. See ya
Ted | Thank you! Anyone who might have other questions can direct
| them...
Alf | Thanks Shirley and George, Bert, Ted and others...bye
Shirley and George: Night all.
Ted | via EMAIL to myself or Bert or post them on the message board...
| Nite All! ga
Terry | Nite.
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