"GIVING THE LIE TO THE CHRISTIAN RIGHTWING"

             Howdy, gang!  It's time for another radical-subversive, smutty,
leftwing upload from that old electronic anarchist, Sax Allen, coming to you
very much alive from Free San Francisco!

             In recent weeks, the Reagan/Nixon stacked Supreme Court has
abandoned law and precedent in favor of extreme rightwing ideology and the
Heritage Foundation agenda.  They've begun dismantling the progressive changes
for which we all fought so hard and long.  They're sabotaging and undermining
important gains in civil rights, abortion, search and seizure, privacy and
separation of church and state.

             Because these rightwing noodle heads are so fond of making up
their own "factoids" and because they're currently pumping out a bunch of
malarkey about America supposedly being a "Christian" nation, and because as
proof of this they're making up religious lies about some of our most
intelligent presidents...for all these reasons I thought you'd enjoy hearing a
few hot words from our founding fathers themselves.  Note in particular what
George Washington says!
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             The American Revolution of 1776 was to a large degree led by men
steeped in the rational humanism of the Enlightenment who considered all
established religion a form of barbaric superstition.  Thus their insistence on
the separation of church and state, which was universally regarded as the MOST
RADICAL aspect of the American Revolution.
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                               THOMAS JEFFERSON:

             "Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the
introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned:
yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity.  What has been the effect
of coercion?  To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites.
To suport roguery and error all over the earth."
                            -- "Notes on the State of Virginia"  (1781-82)

             "...the priests indeed have heretofore thought proper to ascribe
to me religious, or rather anti-religious sentiments, of their own fabric, but
such as soothed their resentments against the act of Virginia for establishing
religious freedom.  They wished him to be thought atheist, deist, or devil, who
could advocate freedom from their religious dictations.  But I have ever
thought religion a concern purely between our God and our consciences, for
which we were accountable to him, and not to the priests."
                            -- Letter to Mrs. Harrison Smith (6 August 1816)


                                  JOHN ADAMS:

             "Eight millions of Jews hope for a Messiah more powerful and
glorious than Moses, David, or Solomon;  who is to make them as powerful as he
pleases.  Some hundreds of millions of Mussulmans [Moslems] expect another
prophet more powerful than Mahomet [Mohammed], who is to spread Islamism over
the whole earth.  Hundreds of millions of Christians expect and hope for a
millennium in which Jesus is to reign for a thousand years over the whole world
before it is burnt up.  The Hindoos [Hindus] expect another and final
incarnation of Vishnu, who is to do great and wonderful things, I know not
what.  All these hopes are founded on real or pretended revelation....
             You and I hope for splendid improvements in human society, and
vast amelioration in the condition of mankind.  Our faith may be supposed by
more rational arguments than any of the former."
                            -- Letter to Thomas Jefferson (24 September 1821)
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             "The Bible is not my book, nor Christianity my profession."
                                           -- Abraham Lincoln


             "The government of the United States is in no sense founded on
the Christian religion."
                                           -- George Washington


             "Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet."
                                           -- Napoleon


             "When a man is freed of religion, he has a better chance to live
a normal and wholesome life."
                                           -- Sigmund Freud
, he has a better chance to live
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