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DemoNews Issue #98 - August 6, 1995 | Subscribers : 1467
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Uploads
Articles
Changes.....................................Snowman
Greetings...................................Darkness
Tracking Society Editorial..................Snowman
Music Contest 3 Thoughts....................Ryan Cramer
Subscribing
Closing
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=----------------------------------------------------------[File Information]-=
All files listed below are on ftp.cdrom.com or one of its mirrors.
Ratings are completely subjective and do not necessarily reflect opinions
of the demo scene in general.
ftp.cdrom.com too slow? Try our mirror at ftp.luth.se. You may even
upload to this site under /pub/msdos/demos_upload.
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Location /demos/alpha/1995 Size Rated Description
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/../../humor/demos/soap.zip 45 ** Soap (a play on DOPE)
/../1994/c/confyooz.zip 25 **+ confy00zhen!
/../1994/v/vs_vreal.zip 671 *** Virtual Reality by Vacant Space
/a/ademo12 120 ** ADemo 1.2 by Nullsoft
/c/cocobbs1.zip 31 ** The Coconuts BBS Intro by NM
/i/imp_gena.zip 26 **+ Genesis BBS Intro by Imphobia
/m/mighty.zip 1061 **** Mighty by Xtacy (very nice)
/m/mtro2fix.zip 22 *** MouseTRO ][ by Solar Designer
/n/noc-bri2.zip 668 ***+ Brilliance by Noice (2nd Icing 95)
/n/nsdemo.zip 483 **+ Nimbus Studio by Wolf/Jtr/ZH
Juhla '95 Demos
/x/x14.zip 692 ****+ 1st X14 by Orange
/f/ftj_pika.zip 552 **** 2nd Cyboman 3 by Plant
/h/h-life.zip 297 **** 3rd Lifeforms by Halcyon
/p/pro-nut 627 ***+ 7th Prof. Nutbutter by Mindprobe
Juhla '95 Intros
/s/sehabla.zip 67 **** 1st Sehablad Routines by Jamm
/t/tuhnu.zip 66 *** 2nd Paine-erokorkeus by Tarzan
/m/matteus.zip 159 [n/a] Matteus by @
Bush Party 4k Intros
/a/alabtro.zip 4 **** Alabtro by Ghoul/Xenon
/a/anim.zip 4 *** Anim! by Neon/Spetsnaz
/d/donut.zip 3 *** Donut by Sorrox
/f/fjomptro.zip 7 * Fjomptro #1 by Rectum Cauda
/i/innon3k.zip 4 ***+ 3k Innocence by Twaddler/Proxima
/o/ooto4k.zip 5 *** Ooto 4k by SC
=-------------------------------------------------------------[Music:General]-=
Location /demos/music Size Rated Title Author
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/disks/1995/a/alloy-01.zip 1176 **** Alloy #1 R.Rick+Ellipse
/disks/1995/c/ciadsk13.zip 1494 *** CiA disk #13 CiA
/disks/1995/f/fndation.zip 2024 **+ Foundation Aim Higher
/disks/1995/l/laws.zip 2643 ***+ Laws of Evil.. Fencer/Cult
/disks/1995/m/mazrave2.zip 1674 *+ Rave Culture 2 Mazurka
/disks/1995/m/moz-0004.zip 1155 * Mozicpack #4 Mozicart
/disks/1995/m/moz-cbc1.zip 1196 *+ Arabian Skies Cubico/Mozicart
/disks/1995/p/pure-ge2.zip 507 *+ Music For Export (G)eore/Pure
/disks/1995/r/ryansong.zip 789 **+ ? KodexMode
/disks/1995/s/sky_cmd1.zip 901 * Cataclysma Spearmaster
/disks/1995/t/trilogy.zip 181 **+ Trilogy Abstract Vision
/disks/1995/v/vortex1.zip 1178 *** Vortex 1 LakEEE / Craw
/disks/1995/v/vortex2.zip 1082 *** Vortex 2 LakEEE / Craw
/songs/1995/midi/t-escdar.zip 17 **** Escape from Dark Guardian
/songs/1995/mod/g/grmania.lha 69 **+ Greekmania CJ Dib
/songs/1995/mod/h/hw-cair.lha 350 *** LondonCairoFuji Hollywood/Val
/songs/1995/mod/h/hyper.zip 327 *+ Hyper-Hyper(rmx) Gregory Staikos
/songs/1995/mod/i/impmisio.zip 88 *+ Mission Impossib Frog
/songs/1995/mod/k/kriskros.zip 131 **+ Kriskross Jump.. Frog
/songs/1995/mod/l/limbo.zip 50 * Limbo "mod" rock Frog
/songs/1995/mod/l/loop_tgs.zip 303 *+ Loops & Tings Gregory Staikos
/songs/1995/mod/m/maya.zip 337 *+ Mayatribe LGM
/songs/1995/mod/m/mindripp.zip 82 ** Mind Ripper! Frog
/songs/1995/mod/m/move_klf.zip 170 *+ You Got to Mov.. Maelcum
/songs/1995/mod/n/newgirl.zip 67 ** The New Girl I.. Frog
/songs/1995/mtm/k/k_nojoke.zip 260 *** No Joke Phoenix+TH/KFMF
/songs/1995/mtm/t/t-abslve.zip 282 **+ Absolve the amb. Sybaris
/songs/1995/mtm/t/t-aftmid.zip 226 ** After midnight Fortunato
/songs/1995/mtm/t/t-aftmix.zip 1141 *** After midnight Fortunato
/songs/1995/mtm/t/t-crmcrs.zip 387 **+ Crimson & Cryst. Fortunato
/songs/1995/mtm/t/t-elctro.zip 455 ** The electric or. Fortunato
/songs/1995/mtm/t/t-indtdu.zip 297 *** iNDiePuNK2 Sybaris
/songs/1995/mtm/t/t-midbre.zip 365 **+ The midnight br. Fortunato
/songs/1995/mtm/t/t-minpst.zip 209 **+ Twelve 'Oh One Fortunato
/songs/1995/mtm/t/t-mischf.zip 288 *** Mischief Sybaris
/songs/1995/mtm/t/t-musgnr.zip 227 *+ Musicageneratrix Sybaris
/songs/1995/mtm/t/t-odysey.zip 166 *** Hyperspace Odys. Sybaris
/songs/1995/mtm/t/t-olmpic.zip 184 **+ Olympic (XPCReM. Sybaris
/songs/1995/mtm/t/t-phntsm.zip 244 ** Phantasm Sybaris
/songs/1995/mtm/t/t-travst.zip 168 **+ Travesties Vol.3 Sybaris
/songs/1995/mtm/t/t-vision.zip 331 ***+ Celestial Vision Sybaris / Time
/songs/1995/s3m/0-9/2-spirit.zip 196 ** I found da spir. Ch:ilm
/songs/1995/s3m/a/ace_atsw.zip 815 ***+ All that she w Bedlamite
/songs/1995/s3m/a/actof2.zip 273 **+ Act of Change Brandon Bannerman
/songs/1995/s3m/a/artshaw.zip 149 * Artie Shaw Hannibal Lechter
/songs/1995/s3m/b/beyondch.zip 214 *** Beyond Chaos Luv Kohli
/songs/1995/s3m/b/blackno1.zip 206 *+ Black #1 Catspaw
/songs/1995/s3m/b/brth-had.zip 64 *** Happybirfday! Hadji
/songs/1995/s3m/c/cuts.zip 228 *+ Cuts Hannibal Lechter
/songs/1995/s3m/d/deathknl.zip 140 *** Death Knell AIM higher
/songs/1995/s3m/d/diarrhea.zip 147 ***+ Diarrhea Dna-Groove
/songs/1995/s3m/d/dig_sor.zip 60 ** Silence of Reaso Dark Heart
/songs/1995/s3m/d/doh-nut.zip 114 **** Coastal Journey Floss
/songs/1995/s3m/e/epi-amma.zip 46 ** A Million Miles Aradia
/songs/1995/s3m/e/es-dance.zip 151 **+ Lets Dance Cold H
/songs/1995/s3m/i/ificdfly.zip 79 *+ If I Could Fly The Crow/Natives
/songs/1995/s3m/i/illegal.zip 99 *+ Thaddeus Illegal Wonder Boy
/songs/1995/s3m/j/j_arbor.zip 23 *** My Fairytale Arb alphabitz/EPI
/songs/1995/s3m/k/k_macro.zip 241 **** Macrocosm (mojo) Chuck Biscuits
/songs/1995/s3m/k/k_orange.zip 156 *** Orange Skies Lord Pegasus
/songs/1995/s3m/k/k_tranq.zip 167 **** Tranquility Leviathan/KFMF
/songs/1995/s3m/k/kosmoss.zip 102 ** Los Kosmoss Erec Lemming/j
/songs/1995/s3m/m/monk_drm.zip 159 ** Monk's Dream Hannibal Lecter
/songs/1995/s3m/m/muddyman.arj 201 *** Muddyman in .. Sir Roger
/songs/1995/s3m/n/nex-seed.zip 290 **+ Space Seeds NeXus
/songs/1995/s3m/n/no-dance.zip 111 ** Summer Beach .. Harry
/songs/1995/s3m/n/no-dream.zip 287 **+ The Dreamer Harry
/songs/1995/s3m/n/no-funk.zip 148 **+ Funk in TinTal ShawnM
/songs/1995/s3m/n/no-maxi.zip 230 **+ Maximum Freq. Harry
/songs/1995/s3m/n/no-voyag.zip 124 **+ Renaissance Voy. ShawnM
/songs/1995/s3m/n/not-real.zip 335 ***+ Nothing Seems .. DiaBlo
/songs/1995/s3m/n/nv-emtn.zip 152 **+ Surreal Emotions Nova
/songs/1995/s3m/o/oldskool.zip 153 *+ Old Skool Riders
/songs/1995/s3m/o/oq-color.zip 319 *** Colors Octoque
/songs/1995/s3m/o/orch-hit.zip 32 ** Orch Hit Madness Moo-kow
/songs/1995/s3m/o/oxygne4.zip 181 *** Oxygene Part 4 The Zapper
/songs/1995/s3m/p/peanuts.zip 94 *** Livin' on Pean.. Freejack
/songs/1995/s3m/s/shaken.zip 379 ** Shaken, not sti. hANNIBAL lECTER
/songs/1995/s3m/s/sky_rngr.zip 419 ** Ranger Danger! D.J. Yoyo
/songs/1995/s3m/t/tek-digi.zip 126 **+ Digital Tek/OTM95
/songs/1995/s3m/t/thelump.zip 99 + The lump Grinner
/songs/1995/s3m/t/tohappy.zip 108 *+ Toward Happiness Master of Dark.
/songs/1995/s3m/u/ultralog.arj 107 ** Ultralogic Sir Roger
/songs/1995/s3m/w/whacker.zip 115 *+ Son to whack of. Mystical
/songs/1995/s3m/w/what_da.zip 66 *+ What the f**k?! Nitro
/songs/1995/s3m/x/xtc-tday.zip 83 **+ ... the day ... Ch:ilm
/songs/1995/special/moz-adlb.zip 20 ** 2 Adlib Tunez Omega+Mayaman
/songs/1995/xm/d/dl-being.zip 350 **+ Being Alive Sonic
/songs/1995/xm/g/gameplan.zip 369 **+ Game Plan Scirocco
/songs/1995/xm/g/gl-start.zip 393 ***+ Start To Live Gillespie/Flip
/songs/1995/xm/g/gloryknt.zip 322 *** Glory Knight Mike X+Ghoul
/songs/1995/xm/j/jungle.zip 746 **+ Jungle Cities Noiseman
/songs/1995/xm/k/k_vortx3.zip 334 *** Eternal Vortex 3 Khyron/KFMF
/songs/1995/xm/k/krkn-bdn.zip 917 **+ Beat That Will.. The Kraken
/songs/1995/xm/k/krkncym2.zip 999 **+ Change Your Mirr The Kraken
/songs/1995/xm/k/krknsvct.zip 806 ***+ Strange Vector The Kraken
/songs/1995/xm/m/misthart.zip 358 ****+ Misty Heart NG PEI SIN
/songs/1995/xm/n/no-sn.zip 86 *** Summer Night Benoit Charland
/songs/1995/xm/s/sweetthi.zip 160 **+ Sweet Thing Balrog/Creation
/songs/1995/xm/t/t-inwest.zip 328 **** Inwest Sybaris / Time
/songs/1995/xm/t/thunderd.zip 450 + Thunderdome GHoST
/songs/1995/xm/t/turning.zip 180 ***+ Keep Turning Ar. TiTO
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Location /demos/music Size Description
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/programs/players/awemod76.zip 36 AweMod v0.76 by Infiniti 2001
/programs/rippers/m3rip220.zip 34 M3RIP 2.20
/programs/rippers/p-rip300.zip 124 PowerRip 3.00 by J. Russell
/programs/trackers/ft204.zip 359 FastTracker 2.04 by Triton
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Location /demos/graphics Size Description
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/pictures 474 Juhla '95 Party Graphics (16 pictures)
=-------------------------------------------------------------[Miscellaneous]-=
Location /demos Size Description
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/party/misc/posintro.arj 61 Posadas Amiga Party '95 Intro
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=--------------------------------------------------------[Changes]--[Snowman]-=
Sorry about the lack of articles in this week's issue of DemoNews. Next
week we should have some very provocative information.
Here are some little infobits I thought I'd mention.
-All demos under /alpha are being moved to directories by year (like
/alpha/1994, /alpha/1995, etc.)
-TraxWeekly is now produced by Hornet.
-From now on, most BBS intros uploaded to our site will be deleted.
Christopher G. Mann / Hornet -
[email protected]
=--------------------------------------------[Greetings]--[Darkness/Imphobia]-=
[This was supposed to be included last week but I forgot.. doh!]
Hi there demonews readers...
Well, this won't be a 10kb killer article, I don't have much time to play
with words right now as I'm again busy with another exams session...
I just, like most of you, received that generic mail from Snowman today
explaining the return of Demonews and i just wanted to write a little note
on the issue. I've been reading demonews since issue 71 or so, at that time
i didn't had any internet account yet so i leeched it from bbs'es and every
Sunday I called Genesis bbs several times a day to check if demonews had
been uploaded.
As soon as I've been reading demonews, I've been surprised by it's good
quality, DemoNews had that special atmosphere you cannot find on many
newsletters/diskmags and I didn't found that atmosphere back with that
HornetNews/o1 method.
By writing this little note I just want to say a "welcome back" to DemoNews
and wants to encourage *YOU* the readers to take the opportunity to believe
in DemoNews and to make of it the DemoNews it has been before...
Regards,
Darkness / Imphobia -
[email protected]
=-------------------------------------[Tracking Society Editorial]--[Snowman]-=
_____Introduction
Hello folks. Its been a long time since I've been able to just kick back
and write a general editorial for DemoNews. Over time, I've learned that
you can ENGAGE your readers with ZIPPIE BLOWIE action pizazy words in
random case, or you can cultivate their blossoming ids with grandiose and
superfluous words that know one seems to understand anyway. I opt for a
ka-BOOM! compromise. On to this article's topic...
"Daddy, I wanna play on #trax but none of big kids will let me! :("
"Well son, without hurting your feelings, its probably because you SUCK!"
Class warfare. We all know and feel it. Maybe you (like me) were a wimp
back in high school, admiring the football jockeys as they swept the
cheerleaders off their feet, oblivious to your crafty new TI-81 program.
Maybe you could barely afford a 2400 while your nerdy peers sported their
shiny 28.8k's.
You were different. But somehow, some way, you found that small niche of
friends who you could just be yourself with and not get teased.
[abrupt transition]
The demo scene is a rapidly changing place. I shudder to think what even
this newsletter will look like by issue 314. The scene's music gets
better, the demo effects become more complex, the graphicians use higher
color resolutions... where does it end? It does not my friend and _this_
is the key. The only constant in the scene is that it continues to evolve
beyond our wildest expectations.
"Scene Evolution" is not constrained to the hardware we work our magic on.
As the ability to communicate increases, so does our ability to express
ourselves and our desires. With IRC, easy e-mail, and even budding audio
over the 'net, people we used to know only by their nicknames suddenly have
character and personality.
Inspired by a #trax-junkie, I thought I'd take a minute to write about some
trends I see forming. Before you read on, go back up to the file listings
above and just skim over the music section. No, I mean it! Look at all
those pretty uploads. Over 100 songs, music disks, trackers, and players
reviewed in one week alone. Now go take a look at DemoNews #60 or
something. Quite a difference, eh?
_____The Point
What is my point in telling you all this? Well, couple the ever-increasing
number of new musicians in the scene together with better communication.
What do you end up with? Class.
There are just so many people in the music scene that some sort of division
will inevitably take place. We can't see each other, so segregation based
on skin color is out. We don't transact money (at least that much), so
class based on financial well-being is also not possible. When you get
down to it, there are actually very few things we all have in common.
So we only have two elements left that are universally accepted. Ability
and friends. If you're a talented musician, you're k3wL. If you have
friends who are talented, you're k3wL.
Thus we divvy up the music scene into 3 general blanket classes:
1. The k3wL People
2. The OK People
3. The Lamer People
_____How Does it Work?
Let us assume we have a new musician named Garf (if there is actually
anyone out there with this handle, forgive me). Garf discovers the demo
scene, Scream Tracker 3, and IRC. Now Garf tries his to make his first
song. For practical purposes Garf is in pergatory, awaiting (dis)approval
from his peers that will decide his standing in the scene.
Let's say Garf's tune is horrible. He's immature and annoying on IRC. His
destiny is decided: he's a lamer.
Let's say Garf's tune (while unpolished) is _very_ good. Garf befriends
Necros and Jak on IRC. Shooting toward stardom, Garf is now k3wL.
Like it or not, each of us is undergoing this same process of selection.
Many decide to sidestep this stepping up of upper and lower class
classification by just ignoring the whole thing. I'm one of these
people. :)
_____Conclusion (this is the good stuff)
Here's some food for thought.
I mentioned how the k3wL people and Suck people are chosen, but what about
all those in between? Those people, those great many people, can adopt a
more neutral standpoint of the whole thing. They can hate the upper class,
and still feel good that they're not in the lower class. Its the kind of
balance only a society can take.
And my friend, the music scene is becoming a society.
[Thanks to Perisoft for inspiring this editorial]
Christopher G. Mann / Hornet -
[email protected]
=-----------------------------------[Music Contest 3 Thoughts]--[Ryan Cramer]-=
_____Introduction
Last week, the results for Music Contest III finally came out. The evening
that they came out, there were more people on #trax then I have ever seen.
It was amazing. It was a huge angry mob of angry #traxers waiting for the
results. I thought that someone would go insane and start doing
mass-flashes or something, but it never happened. Eventually the results
did come out, and then everybody calmed down (apparently!).
Now that the results have come out, I think that everybody is pretty much
satisfied. But, I think that there was a small but unavoidable margin of
error in the contest. Everything that follows are my own opinions and
observations only...
_____Observations
Lets start out with the first and second song. I'd say that Jase's first
place song and Necros's second place song were right in line with each
other. If fact, I'm surprised we didn't see a head to head tie between
those two songs. They were the obvious winners. I think that Jase's song
has better initial impact, as a result, this helped him to take the lead.
However, Necros's song had much better samples then Jase's song did. Both
songs were outstanding.
I was kind of surprised at some of the other songs that placed so high.
They were all great songs, but most of the songs in the top 10 were all on
equal quality (excluding the top 2 which were the obvious winners). One
thing though, Markell Moss's 6th place song should have placed better. It
was an excellent song that was up there with Jase's and Necros's song. The
MC3 voting system did not do Markell Moss's song justice, it was really an
excellent piece of work.
I myself really thought that I'd place better then 8th, but such is life. I
felt that I should have been in the top five, but then again, I did not get
to judge my own song. :) Forget about me though, lets try to figure this
one out. Stalker placed 29th!!! Stalker's song should have been in the top
five, *easily*. I don't know how to explain why Stalker placed so bad. Go
back and listen to his song, and compare it to some of the other songs in
the top 10. Make your own judgments. I guess that I'd question the judgment
ability of some of the MC3 judges. Stalker got ripped off.
_____Analysis
As I said before, I think that the voting system worked out quite well, and
the results were fairly accurate. However, there is a problem in the voting
system, and there is no way to get around it. The MC3 voting system did
what it was supposed to, and it worked as well as it could have, but let me
explain where the margin of error comes in:
As an example, lets take Necros, and lets take MuzikMan. By some freak of
nature, MuzikMan has managed to get his music and tracking abilities up to
the quality of NiteWynd.
Lets also take two MC3 CORE judges, lets say they are Basehead, and
Popcorn. Each judge has 15 different songs to vote on. In Basehead's group
of songs, MuzikMan's song happens to be the best in his group of songs
(Base ended up with a really shitty group of songs, as many of the MC3 CORE
judges actually did). Popcorn on the other hand ended up judging some of
the best songs in the contest.
While this may not be the case for all judges, this sort of situation does
happen. Because MuzikMan's song is the best in Basehead's group of songs,
he gives it a fairly high score like an overall score of 8. Well, Popcorn
on the other hand has a bunch of great songs, he hears Jase's song and
gives him a 10! Wow what a song! Then he hears the other songs which are
also quite good, so he gives them scores like 9s and 8s and stuff. Of
course, he's got a few bad songs too which get like 3s and 4s. Lets say
that he heard Stalker's song and gave him an 8.
Well, do you see what happens here? Two very unequal songs get equal
ratings! MuzikMan's song is a piece of shit, but it was one of the better
ones in Basehead's group of songs, as a result, it was placed pretty high.
It was placed on the same equal plane as Stalker's song.
[NOTE: The judges & musicians used here are for fictional purposes only
and are being used for example purposes only. Don't send me no
steenkin' email's about this! =]
_____Conclusion
Is there a better way to do the judging system? Unfortunately not, at least
not realistically. The only truly accurate way to avoid the margin of error
would be to have every judge vote on every single song. Because of the
sheer amount of songs in the contest, this is not possible. As a result, I
would have to conclude that despite the margin of error, the current voting
system is really the best way to do it.
Maybe in the future, it would be possible to have a few very dedicated and
qualified judges vote on all of the songs, and have their votes count
double or something. ...But who wants to do this? =]
_____Closing
MC3 is actually the largest scene music competition ever. There were
almost two hundred total songs in the contest. Stop and think about
that! I'd like to send congrats to everybody that was involved in the
contest, no matter how well you placed. You should be proud that you
competed in this event.
Special thanks especially to Snowman and Floss that brought you this
contest and put countless hours into managing the huge number of songs.
Send them a thanx when you get the chance..
Ryan Cramer / Renaissance -
[email protected]
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