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From: [email protected] (Wade Guthrie)
Subject: (FAQ-Diffs) Portable GUI Development Kits
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Followup-To: comp.windows.misc
Summary: This is the DIFFs between the current issue of the PIGUI FAQ
and the previous posting of the same FAQ.
Supersedes: <[email protected]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
Organization: Rockwell International
References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]>
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 15:34:33 GMT
Approved: [email protected]
Expires: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 15:34:30 GMT
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Xref: senator-bedfellow.mit.edu comp.windows.misc:13208 comp.answers:12552 news.answers:46465

Archive-name: portable-GUI-software/diff
Last-modified: Fri Nov 12 09:50:39 PST 1993

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< Last-modified: Mon Apr 17 16:34:46 PDT 1995
< Version: 1.15
---
> Last-modified: Thu May 18 19:45:54 PDT 1995
> Version: 1.16
42,43c42
< [Has anyone heard that Computer Associates has stopped supporting
< CommonView?]
---
> Not a whole lot. . .
45,46d43
< I've added some updates including Microsoft's MFC and Borland's
< OWL. I still haven't completed everything I have in the queue.
48d44
<
59c55
< the net by Wade Guthrie ([email protected], or [email protected]).
---
> the net by Wade Guthrie ([email protected], or [email protected]).
379d374
< CommonV Glockenspiel CommonView, Computer Associates
417a413,414
> CommonV Word has it that Computer Associates has stopped supporting
> Glockenspiel CommonView.
431,432d427
<
< CommonV . . yes . yes yes soon soon . .
435d429
< Guild - - 895 895 895 soon - 895 - .
436a431
> Guild - - 895 895 895 soon - 895 - .
450c445
< OpenUI yes - 3500 soon 4900 7900g - 3500 (w) .
---
> OpenUI yes - 3500q soon 4900 7900g - 3500q (w) .
503a499
> (q) This price may be out-of-date.
530,531d525
<
< CommonV layered . yes no . C++ .
533,534c527
< Galaxy emulate (d) (e) no . C/C++ yes
< Guild . . (f) no . C yes
---
> Galaxy emulate (d) (e) no . C/C++(c) yes
535a529
> Guild . . (f) no . C yes
559c553
< WMMOTIF API emu (j) 7500 no . C/C++ (t)
---
> WMMOTIF API emu (j) 7500 no no C/C++ (t)
565c559
< YACL . free free no - C++ .
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> YACL . free free no no C++ .
567c561
< Zinc layered 60 free no - C++ yes
---
> Zinc layered 60 free no no C++ yes
575a570
> (c) Galaxy's C++ product is not available on the Macintosh.
637,643c632,638
< C M N O S S V W
< o G L M A M u O p O c t i M W w
< V m D a G i e I M S T b e p r a s M i x
< i C m C l u I b n N E - C V n e M r S W W O n W Y z Z
< e L o L a i L J w u W W M R i I n O P a V U o N T d i X A A i
< w I n A x l O A x e i E F A e n U W S c i I r D I / n V C p n
< s M V P y d G M m t n L C C w t I L M h e T k X F U d T L p c Systems
---
> M N O S S V W
> G L M A M u O p O c t i M W w
> V D a G i e I M S T b e p r a s M i x
> i C C l u I b n N E - C V n e M r S W W O n W Y z Z
> e L L a i L J w u W W M R i I n O P a V U o N T d i X A A i
> w I A x l O A x e i E F A e n U W S c i I r D I / n V C p n
> s M P y d G M m t n L C C w t I L M h e T k X F U d T L p c Systems
645,648c640,643
< - . . . - . - . . . - c . - - . - . . - - c . c - . - . - c y DOS Graphics
< p . . . - . - . . . - c . - - . - . . c - . . - - . - . - c c DOS Text
< . . . . . . - . . . - . . - . . - . . c . . . c - . . c - y c 16-bit DOS Extend
< . . . . . . - . . c - c . - . . - . . c . . . c - . . - - - c 32-bit DOS Extend
---
> - . . - . - . . . - c . - - . - . . - - c . c - . - . - c y DOS Graphics
> p . . - . - . . . - c . - - . - . . c - . . - - . - . - c c DOS Text
> . . . . . - . . . - . . - . . - . . c . . . c - . . c - y c 16-bit DOS Extend
> . . . . . - . . c - c . - . . - . . c . . . c - . . - - - c 32-bit DOS Extend
650,655c645,650
< - . . . - . - . . . - c . . - . y . . c - . . . c . p y - . c ASCII Text
< y . c c - c c . e c e e c - c c y c c c c c c c e e c c c c y MS-Win 3.x Win16
< . . . . y . c . . . . . c - . . . c . . . . . c - . . c . . c MS-Win Win32s
< c . b c y c - . . . - - c - c c y . b - c c c c - . - c - b b Macintosh
< . . . . . . - . . . - . b - . . p . . - b . . p - . . c - . p Macintosh PowerPC
< c . c . y c p . . c - c . - - c y c c - c . c p - . - c - c c OS/2
---
> - . . - . - . . . - c . . - . y . . c - . . . c . p y - . c ASCII Text
> y . c - c c . e c e e c - c c y c c c c c c c e e c c c c y MS-Win 3.x Win16
> . . . y . c . . . . . c - . . . c . . . . . c - . . c . . c MS-Win Win32s
> c . c y c - . . . - - c - c c y . b - c c c c - . - c - b b Macintosh
> . . . . . - . . . - . b - . . p . . - b . . p - . . c - . p Macintosh PowerPC
> c . . y c p . . c - c . - - c y c c - c . c p - . - c - c c OS/2
657,659c652,654
< c . . . y c c . . . c p c c c c c c . p c . . c - . b c . c c x86 / WinNT Win32
< p . . . b . b . . . c p . . . c - . . p c . . . - . - c . . p DEC AXP / Win NT
< - . . . b . - . . . c p c . . . - . . p p . . . - . - - . . . MIPS / Win NT
---
> c . . y c c . . . c p c c c c c c . p c . . c - . b c . c c x86 / WinNT Win32
> p . . b . b . . . c p . . . c - . . p c . . . - . - c . . p DEC AXP / Win NT
> - . . b . - . . . c p c . . . - . . p p . . . - . - - . . . MIPS / Win NT
661,663c656,658
< - . b . y . c . . . c - - - . c - - . - c c c c - . c x - - - SunOS / OpenLook
< c . . c y b c . c . c c - - . . c - . c c c . c p y c c - y c SunOS / Motif
< c . . . c . c . . . c c - - . . . - . . . . . c c . . c - c . Solaris 2.x/Motif
---
> - . . y . c . . . c - - - . c - - . - c c c c - . c x - - - SunOS / OpenLook
> c . c y b c . c . c c - - . . c - . c c c . c c y c c - y c SunOS / Motif
> c . . c . c . . . c c - - . . . - . . . . . c c . . c - c . Solaris 2.x/Motif
665,677c660,672
< - . . . . . - . . . p - - e . . c - . c - . . . c . c x . . . ISC
< c . . . c . c . . . p - - e . . c - . . . . . . p c . c . - . AXP Digital Unix
< . . . . c . - . . . - - - e . . c - . . . . . . - . . c . - . DEC AXP OpenVMS
< - . . . y . - . . . - - - e . c c - . c p . c . - . c x c - . DEC Ultrix
< p . . . y . - . . . - - - e . c c - . c p . . . - p . c . - p DEC Vax VMS
< . . . . . . - . . . . - - e . . . - . . . . . . - . . c . . . AT&T System 3000
< c . . . . . - . . . - c - e . c c - c c p . . . c . c c . y c SCO Unix/Xenix
< - . . . c . - . c . - - - e . c - - . - p . . . - p c c . . . MIPS
< c . . . y . c . c . c c - e . c c - . c p c c c c c c c . y c HP 9000/HPUX
< c . . . y . c . c . c c - e . c c - . c c c c . c y c c . y c IBM RS-6000/AIX
< c . . . c . c . c . c - - . . c - - . c p c . c - y y c . c c Silicon Graphics
< - . . . . . - . . . - - - . . . c - c - - . . . - . . - . . . Pyramid
< . . . . i . . . . . . . - e . i . - . . . . . . . . c . c . . Linux
---
> - . . . . - . . . p - - e . . c - . c - . . . c . c x . . . ISC
> c . . c . c . . . p - - e . . c - . . . . . . p c . c . - . AXP Digital Unix
> . . . c . - . . . - - - e . . c - . . . . . . - . . c . - . DEC AXP OpenVMS
> - . . y . - . . . - - - e . c c - . c p . c . - . c x c - . DEC Ultrix
> p . . y . - . . . - - - e . c c - . c p . . . - p . c . - p DEC Vax VMS
> . . . . . - . . . . - - e . . . - . . . . . . - . . c . . . AT&T System 3000
> c . . . . - . . . - c - e . c c - c c p . . . c . c c . y c SCO Unix/Xenix
> - . . c . - . c . - - - e . c - - . - p . . . - p c c . . . MIPS
> c . . y . c . c . c c - e . c c - . c p c c c c c c c . y c HP 9000/HPUX
> c . . y . c . c . c c - e . c c - . c c c c . c y c c . y c IBM RS-6000/AIX
> c . . c . c . c . c - - . . c - - . c p c . c - y y c . c c Silicon Graphics
> - . . . . - . . . - - - . . . c - c - - . . . - . . - . . . Pyramid
> . . . i . . . . . . . - e . i . - . . . . . . p . c . c . . Linux
686,687d680
<
< CommonV (a) ? . . . . . -
690d682
< Guild 90d ? . . . . . $100/month
691a684
> Guild 90d ? . . . . . $100/month
727,728d719
< (a) CommonView provides free maintenance for MS-Windows and OS/2. 15% of cost is
< required for Motif, however.
14,15c14,15
< Last-modified: Mon Apr 17 16:34:46 PDT 1995
< Version: 1.15
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> Last-modified: Thu May 18 19:45:54 PDT 1995
> Version: 1.16
162,195d161
< CommonView Glockenspiel
<
< VENDOR:
< Computer Associates International
< One CA Plaza
< Islandia, NY 11788-7000
<
< (516) DIAL CAI (voice)
< (516) DIAL FAX (you guessed it, fax)
<
< SOFTWARE CONFIGURATION:
< [** This product may have gone away **]
<
< This is a C++ library.
<
< In addition, it comes with container classes. The down-side is
< that some of the features are not supported across all platforms.
<
< WHAT THE USERS SAY:
< One user says, "[we] Tried this first on MS_Windows, and were
< reasonably impressed, but the X-Windows version was so buggy and
< ill-conceived, it didn't last more than two weeks here. They may
< have fixed it all by now [...]. Support was very poor. Great
< concepts, but very poor implementation."
<
< REVIEWER'S IMPRESSIONS:
< Computer Associates seems to have a strong big-company attitude.
< I've had to weave through a lot of twisty little passages (turning
< at every "that's not my job and I don't know whose it is") to try
< to find someone who was willing to help put together this FAQ (I
< haven't yet). I hope that their support is better when they
< already have your money in their pocket.
<
< NAME:
314a281,291
> Using their C product produces extremely verbose code; it seems to
> me that they should hide more of the detail from the programmer.
>
> Most of the extraneous code can be cut from their examples and
> pasted into your application, but good luck figuring out what that
> code does. On the other hand, once the cut-and-paste tango is
> accomplished, one can achieve quite good results. As with many
> other PIGUIs I've seen, the learning curve is nearly vertical (and
> the documentation doesn't help much) but once you've gotten used to
> the API, you can get some neat things done.
>
384a362,364
> Appearantly, ILOG Views won The X Journal's 1995 Editor's Choice
> Award!
>
394a375
> ILOG wad created in 1987.
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>
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< Foundation Classes) on Unix/X-Windows. They support DDEML, Win32
< message format, and most of the Win32s APIs. The CDK includes
< printer support, a resource compiler, a help compiler (they have
< support for Winhelp using the windows .hlp files), a makefile
< generator plus some additional tools.
---
> Foundation Classes 2.0 and 3.0) on Unix/X-Windows. They support
> DDEML, Win32 message format, and most of the Win32s APIs. The CDK
> includes printer support, a resource compiler, a help compiler
> (they have support for Winhelp using the windows .hlp files), a
> makefile generator plus some additional tools.
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> COMMENTS:
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< C or C++. It's important to note that their C++ uses a wrappers
< approach that does NOT allow one to sub-class from their C++
< classes.
---
> C or C++. Their C++ approach no longer uses a wrappers approach!
762a744
> WWW: http://www.osa.com.au/
786a769,770
> Open Software Associates has been around since 1990.
>
809a794
> WWW: http://www.borland.com/
817a803,806
> OWL under OS/2 supports a subset of the functionality available
> under OWL for MS-Windows.
>
> COMMENTS:
819a809,810
> WHAT THE USERS SAY:
>
1024c1015
< Wind/U v2.0
---
> Wind/U v2.1
1039c1030
< Foundation Classes 1.5 (MFC, the API under Visual C++). It
---
> Foundation Classes 3.0 (MFC, the API under Visual C++). It
1095c1086
< [email protected]
---
> [email protected], [email protected]
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< ftp.uu.net:/vendor/uno. Software UNO also offers an evaluation
< library to allow developers to compile their own code with the
< library.
---
> ftp://ftp.uu.net/vendor/uno. Software UNO also offers an
> evaluation library to allow developers to compile their own code
> with the library.
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>
> Zinc was founded in 1990.

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