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                      DAVE HAYES / FREEDOM KNIGHTS:
                           AN ALTERNATIVE VIEW

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 TABLE OF CONTENTS
    _________________________________________________________________

   1. Is Dave Hayes for real?
   2. Are the "Freedom Knights" for real?
   3. Is "True Free Speech" actually possible?
   4. What can I do?

 1. IS DAVE HAYES FOR REAL?
    _________________________________________________________________

    Yes. As far as anybody has been able to tell over the years, he is
    usually completely serious. But, his own NNTP server generally
    isn't open.

    In general, Dave Hayes presents himself as an alternative to the
    anti-net-abuse newsadmins in news.admin.net-abuse.* (please see the
    Net Abuse FAQ at
    http://www.cybernothing.org/faqs/net-abuse-faq.html for more
    information on those newsgroups and their purpose.)

    This presentation is not at all incorrect. Dave is striving towards
    a vision of Usenet wherein people can say whatever they want,
    wherever they want, whenever they want, and nobody can say anything
    about it. He calls this concept "True Free Speech."

    Most of the other news.admin.net-abuse.* regulars are working on
    keeping the current Usenet from becoming more of a mess than it is
    now. It is in-arguable that this would impinge on a person's right
    to True Free Speech, if that right had been guaranteed to them by
    all the news administrators of Usenet, all over the world.

    If you ask most newsadmins, no such right has been guaranteed, or
    even offered, except by Dave Hayes -- who also, in practice, does
    not guarantee such a right (just try to post through
    news.jetcafe.org, which Dave runs, and you'll see what I mean.)

 2. ARE THE "FREEDOM KNIGHTS" FOR REAL?
    _________________________________________________________________

    Dave has written that the "Freedom Knights" are a group of people
    fighting for free speech in Usenet. They're not the only such
    group; the Electronic Frontier Foundation, the Center for Democracy
    and Technology, and the Voters Telecommunications Watch are only a
    few whose goals include freedom of expression on the entire
    Internet and Usenet.

    While all of the people who call themselves "Freedom Knights" give
    lip service to free speech, some of the most prolific of them seem
    to be more interested in gaining power for themselves. They have
    been known to post things like "newsadmins are not necessary to the
    people's usenet," which is patently ludicrous because news servers
    do not run themselves, or ad-hominem attacks against people who do
    not take them seriously, such as accusing UUnet newsadmin David
    Lawrence of raping children.

    These so-called Freedom Knights have done more to hurt the
    credibility of Dave Hayes and his goals than anything else ever
    could.

 3. IS "TRUE FREE SPEECH" ACTUALLY POSSIBLE?
    _________________________________________________________________

    It would certainly be nice to think so. Imagine a Usenet Utopia,
    where people politely discuss things of mutual interest, without
    anybody to tell them what to do or where to do it.

    But what happens if somebody starts to be purposefully destructive,
    starting long drawn-out arguments and feeding the fires whenever
    they see an opportunity? This happens all the time on the current
    Usenet -- what would cause people to act differently in a Hayesian,
    True Free Speech Usenet?

    How about inconsiderate advertisers, hawking their wares daily in
    every newsgroup? Dave suggests killfiles, which would allow your
    newsreader to simply not show you specific types of messages. But
    nobody, not even Dave, has yet been able to come up with a method
    which will automatically killfile new problem messages.

    Hayesian "True Free Speech" is a noble goal. I, for one, honestly
    wish it were possible -- and I'm not alone. But, as with many
    Utopian dreams, the propensity for conflict which seems built into
    the Human psyche would ruin such an endeavor before it could even
    get started.

 4. WHAT CAN I DO?
    _________________________________________________________________

    Be polite to each other -- remember that there's a human being on
    the other end of your conversation. Make sure that anything you
    write is appropriate for the place you're posting it; becoming
    familiar with Charters, FAQs, and related documents is a good
    start.

    Most of the people who post inappropriately do so because they are
    new to Usenet, and don't know any better. Be constructive in your
    criticism. Give them advice, not flames.

    Strive towards a Usenet of cooperation and understanding. Only then
    can True Free Speech be realized.
    _________________________________________________________________


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