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You are not alone.
Cluttering/messiness is a real problem, and
can be a serious one.

alt.recovery.clutter
is a place where people who have cluttering as a
problem can discuss methods of dealing with it,
share Experience, Strength and Hope,
recommend books on decluttering
(and ways to keep them from becoming
part of the clutter)
and get contact information for self-help groups.
alt.recovery.clutter
is not affiliated with any organization,
nor does it speak for any organization.

You may want to also try one or more of these
email lists:

[email protected]
Very active. To subscribe, send the message to
[email protected]
Subscribe Decluttr Your Name
Put this in the body of the message
(the Listserv software ignores subject headings)
and don't put anything else in the message
(this includes your signature).
Note: "Decluttr" with one e

[email protected]
Very active. To subscribe, send the message to
[email protected]

A couple of quieter web-based mailing lists are at the
Messies Home on the Web
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/3337
( Or go to
http://www.onelist.com )
One with a Christian emphasis, one general.

[email protected]
(not affiliated with Clutterers Anonymous)
Send any message to
[email protected]

[email protected]
(not affiliated with Messies Anonymous)
Send any message to
[email protected]

H/C (Hoarding/Clutter) Contact Paula Kotakis -
[email protected]
For "Hoarders and/or Clutterers with OCD
[Obsessive Compulsive Disorder],
a basic knowledge of CBT and a strong desire to
improve their living spaces"

On IRC:
Date: Thursday, 6 April 2000
From: Shaira Goldstein

Here are the times for
#clutterers on newnet:
M-F PST after 6:00 p.m.,
SAT-SUN after 1:30 p.m. PST.

Q: What is clutter?
A: "Clutter is anything we don't need, want, or use
that takes our time, energy or space, and
destroys our serenity.
It can be outgrown clothes, obsolete paper....
We may be selective in some areas,
but not in others.
Objects may be strewn about or wedged into drawers;
neatly stacked or stowed in storage."
The Twelve Steps of Clutterers Anonymous,
CLA WSO Literature Committee,
approved February 1996.

Q: Is cluttering a real problem?
A: Anything that can get you evicted,
get your children taken away from you,
keep you from inviting people into your home,
get you charged more by retailers and the
tax authorities because you can't find the
paperwork needed to pay them on time,
is a real problem.

Q: Does cluttering go together with ___?
A: Clutterers are more likely than average to have one
of these:
clinical depression,
Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD),
Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder,
Post Traumatic Stress Disorder,
fibromyalgia.
But none of these invariably goes
together with cluttering; and
cluttering doesn't invariably go
together with any of them.

Q: It's not me who has the problem;
it's an elderly relative.
A: If you're in Minnesota, get in touch with
Ruth Kildow of the
Minneapolis Office of Senior Services
350 South 5th St., Room 11-B
Minneapolis MN 55415-1314
She did her master's thesis on this subject, and
has a good deal of practical experience.
Your local government may have a similar agency.
(Note:
It makes a difference whether this is something
that's started recently, or if the person has
always been this way.)

Organizations for clutterers

If there's an organization or local meeting not listed
here which you think should be, please let me know.
I'm particularly interested in
groups outsidethe US.
I'm also interested in
people's experiences with groups.

Where a phone number is given, please call first to
make sure the meeting is still at the
time and place given.

Clutterers Anonymous World Service Organization is at
PO Box 91413
Los Angeles, CA 90009-1413
Website
http://www.clutterers-anonymous.org
The website has a list of meetings;
it does not have contact phone numbers.
For a recorded list of meetings, call
(310) 281-6064
For pamphlets and other information, send a
long first class self-addressed envelope with
twice the minimum first-class postage.
(Nothing said about writing from
outside the US for information.
You should be able to use International Reply Coupons,
but I don't know how many would be needed. My guess is
2 from Canada or Mexico,
4 from elsewhere.)
For the information needed to start a meeting,
suggested donation is $5.00 US.

Note:
I'm only listing meetings which have okayed having
their phone numbers on the Net.
For times and places of others, see the
Clutterers Anonymous website.

Minnesota:
Roseville,
1st & 3rd Saturdays, 10 AM.
Contact: Pat
651-644-1139
St. Christopher's Church, room 128
2300 Hamline Ave. (Hwy. 36 & Hamline)

St. Louis Park,
Second Saturday 12:15-1:15.
Contact: Pat
651-644-1139
Prince of Peace Lutheran Church,
8115 Highway 7, Hwy 7 & Texas Ave.,
across from Knollwood Mall.

South Minneapolis,
alternate Thursdays, 7 PM.
Contact: Dan G.
612-821-3934
Anodyne Coffeehouse,
Nicollet Ave. S. and 43rd St.

Washington:
Seattle
Monday 10 am
St. Paul's, 6512 - 12th Ave NW
Ruth
763-8398

Messies Anonymous
5025 SW 114th Ave.
Miami FL 33165
1-800-MESS AWAY
Quarterly newsletter $5 per year --
sample newsletter free
Internet
[email protected].
Website
http://www.messies.com

This list is _very_ incomplete; I will list other
meetings if they give me the information to list here.

Dallas, Texas Messies Anonymous.
Day and evening meetings.
Evening meetings are the
2nd and 4th Mondays of the month,
7:00-8:30 pm.
Day meetings are the
1st and 3rd Tuesday, noon-1:00 pm.
Meeting place:
Highland Park Presbyterian Church Room H110
3821 University Blvd., Dallas, Texas.
7:00-8:30 pm.
Contact: Jane K. at
(214) 368-7205
email:
[email protected]
or Dorothy P. at
972-495-1950
Dorothy P. email:
[email protected]

WA: Aberdeen,
Evelyn,
(360) 533-1813
Greater Seattle Area:
[I'm told the contact number is disconnected.]
"We have an active MA group here
(the Greater Seattle area).....
Our meetings are the
1st and 3rd Tuesday of the month.
Our contact phone number is: [Sue at]
206-824-2728."

"If you write to the address for the newsletter and
include your city and state, you will receive a list
of others in the area who have asked for the same
information OR the name and number of the person who
has organized such a group--if there is one.
You will also receive as much information and support
as you might need if you want to start your own
group."
Bonnie Rice
Change: You can now ask from the website.

Passed on by Lori Burkart

'A Hoarders' and Clutterers' Support Group has been
formed in
San Francisco and meets twice a month
(2nd and 4th Mondays, 3-4 p.m.)

'The flyer reads:
"For Mental Health Consumers who have too much stuff
and want help, the San Francisco Mental Health
Association's Consumer Housing Group presents a
Hoarders' and Clutterers' Support Group"

'"Twice a month, starting Nov. 1997:
2nd Mondays ....
4th Mondays at Canon Kip, 705 Natoma (@ 8th St.)

'"[note: the Association is responding to the problem
of evictions due to Hoarding problems]"'

alt.recovery.clutter
(BRADFORDMC)
Sun Jan 18 1998

"I saw the original post of the San Francisco....group
meetings and attended my first meeting at the
Madrid Hotel.
Due to parking restrictions and
space considerations in that area the plan for the
2nd Monday in February is to meet @ the
Canon Kip location, 705 Natoma@8th Street (S.F.)
I find the support mutual and encouraging.
I encourage anyone interested in the area to attend.
I also am interested in the possibility of starting a
meeting in the east bay.
One other person at the meeting lives in Berkeley.
Due to a vision problem, it would be much easier to
attend meetings closer to home.
Anyone else interested?"

Date: Monday, 25 October 1999
Louis

Dan, as for our Hoarders and Clutterers support group
(facilitated by myself as an employee of the
Mental Health Association), the contact number is
(415) 882-6237.
We meet each
second Monday of the Month, and the
fourth Thursday of the month.
Our next meeting is
Thursday, October 28 from 6-7 p.m. at
705 Natoma Street, on Eighth Street
between Mission and Howard, at the
Canon Kip Center.

Useful Books, etc.

Sandra Felton.
THE MESSIES MANUAL: The Procrastinator's
Guide to Good Housekeeping
THE MESSIES SUPERGUIDE: Strategies and Ideas for
Conquering Catastrophic Living.
MEDITATIONS FOR MESSIES
Alcoholics Anonymous
TWELVE STEPS AND TWELVE TRADITIONS
Don Aslett:
Clutter's Last Stand,
Not For Pack Rats Only,
How do I Clean the Moosehead?
Stephanie Culp:
How to Organize,
How to Simplify Your Life
Young and Jones,
Sidetracked Home Executives (Warner 1981)
The Sidetracked Sisters Catch-up on the Kitchen
(Warner 1983)
The Sidetracked Sisters' Happiness File (Warner 1985)
Get Your Act Together (Harper Collins 1993).
SHE and GYAT can usually be found at
large chain bookstores or Christian bookstores
(these are not "Christian" publications, per se).
The sisters themselves peddle a variety of SHE items....
Address is:
Sidetracked Home Executives, Inc.
PO Box 5364
Vancouver, WA 98668
[360] 696-4091
http://www.shesintouch.com
"Confessions of an Organized Homemaker" by
Deniece Schofield.
(Publisher: Betterway Books, Cincinnati OH.
The cover lists it at $10.99 US, $15.99 CAN, 7.99 UK).
"Lighten Up! Free Yourself From Clutter," by
Michelle Passoff, Harper Collins Publishers, 1998.
ISBN 0-06-095265-2.

Wed, 25 February 1998
MRS BONNIE J RICE <[email protected]>
Home Organization Booklist Online

Dan, It's official, I've moved my website to
http://getolife.hypermart.net
and am hoping to provide more
interactivity with the new site.
I'm working on making the site more helpful.
Any ideas would be appreciated.

I just finished reorganizing my home organization
book list into categories instead of by author.
If you are looking for the perfect book on
meal-planning or paper handling or clutter control,
you can actually go to that section of the list.
Many of the books can be ordered through Amazon
directly from the list and some of the authors have
websites of their own that are linked to the list.
http://getolife.hypermart.net/booklist.html

[2/99] ...
anyone who has taken the home organization class and
wants to join a support community on excite
(you need to join excite which might be a hassle to
some) please let me know and I'll send you an
invitation that will get you in.
It's a closed community so we won't have spam or other
inappropriate things there.

Friday, 23 Jan 1998
ttista
cleaning tools

I follow Don Aslett's book
Is There Life After Housework. You can get his catalog
1-800-451-2402.
I use his mop, it's called a scrubbee doo. really.

He explains how to use the right cleaning tools, and
cleaning products.
http://www.cleanreport.com

Friday, 27 February 1998
Stella Sloop
SHE Online...

For those of you who have been wondering what in the
world the SHE Online thing is all about, and for
those who may have been too late to take advantage of
it this past time, here's hope:

from the Get O message board of AOL

Re: March Is Clean Sweep Month!
(Get O CEO)
27 February 1998

'Kim asks if the Delphi service
(new home of SHE's Online and 21 Days to SHE)
is another service like AOL.

'Kim, yes and no.
Yes, you can get Internet access through Delphi.
No, it's not necessary to have a paid account to visit
Custom Forum 222,
the Get Organized Board,
on the World Wide Web:
http://www.delphi.com/mc
When it asks "Go to Forum by Number", type in
222.

'All you do is sign up for a FREE membership at the
log in page.
Don't worry, you can't miss it.
Pick a username and a password.
and you're up and running.

'In format, Delphi is pretty nice.
Messages are threaded, and easy to read and to post.
There's no length limitation like the
Slob Sisters Online message board.
And since blessed Delphi permits me to retain
copyright,it's JUST the place to post the
21 Days essays--don't miss out!...'
http://www.organizedhome.com

Sat, 11 April 1998
Mycala W Shaulis
Kitchen Web Link

http://www.123sortit.com/toc.html
It covers not just the kitchen, but
virtually every room in the house.

Sat, 11 April 1998
Josie Morgan
Financial Info: What to Keep

I ran across this link while working on our
taxes today:
http://www.quicken.com/saving/frugal/

It is an article by Jane Bryant Quinn on how to
organize financial records--
it covers what to keep, how long to keep it, and
logical ways to organize it.

Wed, 27 May 1998 - updated 26 February 2000:
OrganizeWize -- now GET ORGANIZED

Now that I'm getting more content to my pages I was
wondering if you would add Organize Wize to your FAQ.
I have added a printable form that helps for setting
goals called Daily Active Enforcement (DAE) Goal page
and info on how to get started decluttering
(or achieving any goal) called "Charting the course".

Added 2/26/00
"FREE planners, organizers, free software for home,
office, wedding, pregnancy, holiday and budget"
GET ORGANIZED
http://www.organizetips.com

Thu, 18 June 1998
Balance Check
DECLUTTR: change of site address - balance check - FAQ

Home page:
http://members.aol.com/balanceck/

DeCluttr FAQ:
http://user.cybrzn.com/~kenyonck/add/faq_clutter.html
DeCluttr FAQ - SHORT:
http://user.cybrzn.com/~kenyonck/add/faq_short_decluttr.html
Clutter Books:
http://user.cybrzn.com/~kenyonck/add/books/clutter_books.htm
Clutter Links:
http://user.cybrzn.com/~kenyonck/add/Links/links_categories_clutter.html#clutter

Sun, 26 July 1998
Jeannie Weeks <[email protected]>

...Chore Genie is a shareware application that helps to
schedule your household chores, includes a
menu-builder and a to-do list....
We offer tips and worksheets for getting started,
which can be viewed on our web site at
http://www.wecosoft.com/tips.html....

We even have an email loop anyone can
join by sending me a request to
[email protected].
The email loop has tips for using the program as well
as general topics for staying motivated,
getting started and anything else that is on topic.
Anyone is welcome to join!

Jeannie Weeks Wecosoft
http://www.wecosoft.com
ICQ#2837260
Chore Genie on AOL

Sun, 18 Oct 1998
The Roberts Family

I'm pleased to announce that I've added 3 pages on
decluttering to my web site
(all decked up in fall colors).
More will be forthcoming, of course:
http://www.pongo.com/~webpages/andy

alt.recovery.clutter
"SaraB"
Web Site
Thu Mar 18 1999

http://www.juliemorgenstern.com/
This is the website by Julie Morgenstern (duh...)
of Organizing from the Inside Out.
Just found it last night. I especially liked her
"challenge" section.

alt.recovery.clutter
"Terry Voss"
Neat Link!
Tue Mar 23 1999

Online Organizing Expo:
http://www.organizedtimes.com/expo2.htm
Just found it myself, so I'll be exploring.
Looks good, though.

Mon, 28 Jun 1999
Katrina Ancel
organizing Link

Thought I'd pass this one along..it is the
Professional Organizer Web Ring...
tons of info on getting organized at the home site,
plus since it's a ring they link to other sites
on the topic.
http://www.organizerswebring.com/

Fri, 9 Jul 1999
Katrina Ancel
Free Organizing Guide from Julie Morgenstern

Get a free guide on the ten most common pitfalls when
organizing and how to avoid them..
from TaskMasters the company owned by
Julie Morgenstern author of
"Organizing from the Inside Out"
http://www.juliemorgenstern.com/task_masters_history.html

alt.recovery.clutter
From: naomiy
Found a neat web site! (Pun intended)
Date: Thu Aug 19 1999

Check out:
http://www.organizedhome.com
A bit advanced for some of us maybe, but there are
lots of good resources here!

Newsgroups: alt.recovery.clutter
Subject: Re: I found another organizational site

Hello everyone, One of my favorite Web sites is
http://www.thathomesite.com

I received notice from them that they have a new
forum--
Organizing your Home.
It looks interesting.
Oh, and no, I have no connection with this site!
Paula

Newsgroups: alt.recovery.clutter
Subject: Re: New OneList Community

I've just launched a new OneList community that might
be of interest. It's called
2BeClutterFree

and it's intended as a support group for the
clutterer/messie/housekeeping-impaired person who's
actively trying to get control of his/her life back.
All ages, genders, etc. :-) are welcome.
Humor is also welcome, flame-wars aren't.

If you're interested, please proceed to
http://www.onelist.com
If you misplace the list name
[which has happened to me on other occasions],
look under the category
Health:Support Groups

Hi - I've created a little web community dedicated to
simple living. I have a great section on
clutter control - and thought maybe some members here
would like to check it out! :)
http://communities.msn.com/SimpleLiving&naventryid=116

I ...have a brand new website called the
Clutter Control Center.
It is completely free (of course!) and I am trying to
get people involved who can contribute to the
bulletin board, chat, etc.
I could use some "experts" to give advice, etc.,
but with a sense of humor.
After all---if you can't cry over the mess,
you might as well laugh!
Also looking for ideas to expand the page, etc.
Could sure use help!

The Clutter Control Center:
get control of that housework!
http://msmoo.simplenet.com/slobbies/index.html

Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:20:31 -0500 (CDT)
Newsgroups: alt.recovery.clutter
Subject: Re: Messies Anonymous
Posting Forum Website Address

The Messies Anonymous Posting Forum is at the
Cybermom.com website in the Forum named
Household Helpline
Stroll down to bottom of the messages list until you see
MESSIES ANONYMOUS- JULY.
This is the current active posting site.
When July is over with, they will start a new topic titled
MESSIES ANONYMOUS- AUGUST
with a new message and etc.

Newsgroups: alt.recovery.clutter
Subject: Re: Messie Anonymous Web Ring

reginabrown wrote:
http://www.webring.org/cgi-bin/webring?ring=messies;list

Newsgroups: alt.recovery.clutter
Subject: Re: Yahoo's Search Page Results For Messies,
Clutterers, and Packrats Yahoo Clubs

I had trouble with the previous link and could not
connect to the web page.
Sorry about the trouble with the link.
Here is a new web link you might want to
follow to get to the clubs.--->
http://clubs.yahoo.com/?myclubs
to get to the Yahoo Clubs search page.
Click on the Family & Home link and continue on.
Here is the path to show you how to get to the clubs--->
Home > Family & Home > Home and Garden > Homemaking (37)
The clubs are in the Homemaking section which has
37 different type clubs.

Newsgroups: alt.recovery.clutter
Subject: Re: Julie Morganstern on PBS!

... we've just put up a brand new
Idea Exchange bulletin board on Julie's site:
http://juliemorgenstern.com/cgi-bin/Ultimate.cgi....
Sincerely,
Carol Crespo
Webmaster

Subject: Re: New Don Aslett Book

"Lose 200 Lbs. This Weekend:
It's Time to Declutter Your Life!"

In the Introduction, Don says,

"I had four books on clutter now and forty-five years
of experience cleaning it up.
Every day and week new "trash and trauma" stories
about clutter arrived, ideas and solutions, disaster
and salvation accounts, more and better information on
coping with and coming to terms with clutter.

I knew by now, too (because youkept telling me), that
clutter sufferers need regular doses of dejunking
therapy," and it was time for a new decluttering
guide."

Editorial comment: This NG is a regular dose for me.

The book has two missions:
1.) to convince and help you to dejunk NOW, and
2.) to develop a thread from "Clutter's Last Stand" on
the mental and spiritual aspect of clutter.

I do enjoy his approach.
The humor helps me not to take myself too seriously.
Carolyn

Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000
Subject: Re: info on web

While cleaning out my 2 boxes (see earlier post)
I found a post that I printed out on 10/30/99 from
Paula who suggested
Organizing for the Creative Person

Now a year later I search the web for that title and
found this link, excerpts from the book, better later
than never!
http://www.danielofficeproducts.com/tips/two.html

Date: Thursday, 9 November 2000
Dear Dan,

Would like you to look at my site
http://www.clutter-recovery.com
It has affirmations and some observations about
cluttering as an emotional, spiritual and
psychological challenge.
Also excerpts from my upcoming book
StopClutter From Stealing Your Life.

Thanks, Mike Nelson

--
Dan Goodman
[email protected]
http://www.visi.com/~dsgood/index.html
Whatever you wish for me,
may you have twice as much.

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