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From: [email protected] (Dan Goodman)



You are not alone.
Cluttering/messiness is a real problem, and can be a serious one.

alt.recovery.clutter is a place where people who have cluttering as a
problem can discuss methods of dealing with it, share Experience,
Strength and Hope, recommend books on decluttering (and ways to keep
them from becoming part of the clutter) and get contact information
for self-help groups. alt.recovery.clutter is not affiliated with any
organization, nor does it speak for any organization.

You may want to also try one or more of these email lists:

[email protected]. Very active.  To subscribe, send
message to [email protected]: Subscribe Decluttr Your
Name. Put this in the body of the message (the Listserv software
ignores subject headings), and don't put anything else in the message
(this includes your signature). Note: "Decluttr" with one e.

[email protected].  Very active.  To subscribe, send a message
to [email protected]

A couple of quieter web-based mailing lists are at the Messies Home on
the Web: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/3337. (Or go to
http://www.onelist.com.) One with a Christian emphasis, one general.

[email protected] (not affiliated with Clutterers
Anonymous) Send any message to
[email protected]

[email protected] (not affiliated with Messies Anonymous)
Send any message to
[email protected]

H/C (Hoarding/Clutter) Contact Paula Kotakis - [email protected].  For
"Hoarders and/or Clutterers with OCD [Obsessive Compulsive Disorder],
a basic knowledge of CBT and a strong desire to improve their living
spaces"

On IRC:

Date: Thursday, 6 April 2000
From: Shaira Goldstein

Here are the times for #clutterers on newnet:  M-F PST after 6:00
p.m., SAT-SUN after 1:30 p.m. PST.

Q: What is clutter? A: "Clutter is anything we don't need, want, or
use that takes our time, energy or space, and destroys our serenity.
It can be outgrown clothes, obsolete paper....We may be selective in
some areas, but not in others. Objects may be strewn about or wedged
into drawers; neatly stacked or stowed in storage." The Twelve Steps
of Clutterers Anonymous, CLA WSO Literature Committee, approved
February 1996.

Q: Is cluttering a real problem? A: Anything that can get you evicted,
get your children taken away from you, keep you from inviting people
into your home, get you charged more by retailers and the tax
authorities because you can't find the paperwork needed to pay them on
time, is a real problem.

Q: Does cluttering go together with ___?  A:  Clutterers are more
likely than average to have one of these:  clinical depression,
Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD), Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder, Post
Traumatic Stress Disorder, fibromyalgia.  But none of these invariably
goes together with cluttering; and cluttering doesn't invariably go
together with any of them.

Q:  It's not me who has the problem; it's an elderly relative. A:  If
you're in Minnesota, get in touch with Ruth Kildow of the Minneapolis
Office of Senior Services:  350 South 5th St., Room 11-B, Minneapolis,
MN 55415-1314.  She did her master's thesis on this subject, and has a
good deal of practical experience.  Your local government may have a
similar agency. (Note: It makes a difference whether this is something
that's started recently, or if the person has always been this way.)

Organizations for clutterers

If there's an organization or local meeting not listed here which you
think should be, please let me know. I'm particularly interested in
groups outside the US. I'm also interested in people's experiences
with groups.

Where a phone number is given, please call first to make sure the
meeting is still at the time and place given.

Clutterers Anonymous World Service Organization is at PO Box 91413,
Los Angeles, CA 90009-1413.  Website:
http://www.clutterers-anonymous.org.  The website has a list of
meetings; it does not have contact phone numbers. For a recorded list
of meetings, call (310) 281-6064. For pamphlets and other information,
send a long first class self-addressed envelope with twice the minimum
first-class postage. (Nothing said about writing from outside the US
for information. You should be able to use International Reply
Coupons, but I don't know how many would be needed. My guess is 2 from
Canada or Mexico, 4 from elsewhere.)  For the information needed to
start a meeting, suggested donation is $5.00 US.

Note:  I'm only listing meetings which have okayed having their phone
numbers on the Net.  For times and places of others, see the
Clutterers Anonymous website.

Minnesota: Roseville, 1st & 3rd Saturdays, 10 AM.  Contact:  Pat,
651-644-1139. St. Christopher's Church, room 128, 2300 Hamline Ave.
(Hwy. 36 & Hamline)

St. Louis Park, Second Saturday 12:15-1:15. Contact: Pat,
651-644-1139.  Prince of Peace Lutheran Church, 8115 Highway 7, Hwy 7
& Texas Ave., across from Knollwood Mall.

South Minneapolis, alternate Thursdays, 7 PM.  Contact: Dan G.,
612-821-3934 or [email protected]. Anodyne Coffeehouse, Nicollet Ave. S.
and 43rd St.

Washington: Seattle Monday 10 am St. Paul's, 6512 - 12th Ave NW  Ruth
763-8398

Messies Anonymous: 5025 SW 114th Ave., Miami, FL 33165. 1-800-MESS
AWAY Quarterly newsletter $5 per year -- sample newsletter free.
Internet: [email protected]. Website: http://www.messies.com

This list is _very_ incomplete; I will list other meetings if they
give me the information to list here.

Dallas, Texas Messies Anonymous.  Day and evening meetings. Evening
meetings are the 2nd and 4th Mondays of the month, 7:00-8:30 pm.  Day
meetings are the 1st and 3rd Tuesday, noon-1:00 pm. Meeting place:
Highland Park Presbyterian Church 3821 University Blvd., Dallas,
Texas. Room H110 7:00-8:30 pm. Contact: Jane K. at (214) 368-7205
email: [email protected]; or Dorothy P. at 972-495-1950 Dorothy P.
email: [email protected]

WA: Aberdeen, Evelyn, (360) 533-1813 Greater Seattle Area: [I'm told
the contact number is disconnected.] "We have an active MA group here
(the Greater Seattle area)..... Our meetings are the 1st and 3rd
Tuesday of the month. Our contact phone number is: [Sue at]
206-824-2728."

"If you write to the address for the newsletter and include your city
and state, you will receive a list of others in the area who have
asked for the same information OR the name and number of the person
who has organized such a group--if there is one. You will also receive
as much information and support as you might need if you want to start
your own group." Bonnie Rice
Change: You can now ask from the website.

Passed on by Lori Burkart
'A Hoarders' and Clutterers' Support Group has been formed in San
Francisco and meets twice a month (2nd and 4th Mondays, 3-4 p.m.)

'The flyer reads:
"For Mental Health Consumers who have too much stuff and want help,
the San Francisco Mental Health Association's Consumer Housing Group
presents a Hoarders' and Clutterers' Support Group"

'"Twice a month, starting Nov. 1997:
2nd Mondays ....
4th Mondays at Canon Kip, 705 Natoma (@ 8th St.)

'"[note: the Association is responding to the problem of evictions due
to Hoarding problems]"'

alt.recovery.clutter
(BRADFORDMC)
Sun Jan 18 1998

"I saw the original post of the San Francisco....group meetings and
attended my first meeting at the Madrid Hotel. Due to parking
restrictions and space considerations in that area the plan for the
2nd Monday in February is to meet @ the Canon Kip location, 705
Natoma@8th Street (S.F.) I find the support mutual and encouraging. I
encourage anyone interested in the area to attend. I also am
interested in the possibility of starting a meeting in the east bay.
One other person at the meeting lives in Berkeley. Due to a vision
problem, it would be much easier to attend meetings closer to home.
Anyone else interested?"

Date: Monday, 25 October 1999
Louis
Dan, as for our Hoarders and Clutterers support group (facilitated by
myself as an employee of the Mental Health Association), the contact
number is (415) 882-6237.  We meet each second Monday of the Month,
and the fourth Thursday of the month.  Our next meeting is Thursday,
October 28 from 6-7 p.m. at 705 Natoma Street, on Eighth Street
between Mission and Howard, at the Canon Kip Center.

Useful Books, etc.

Sandra Felton. THE MESSIES MANUAL: The Procrastinator's Guide to Good
Housekeeping
THE MESSIES SUPERGUIDE: Strategies and Ideas for Conquering
Catastrophic Living.
MEDITATIONS FOR MESSIES
Alcoholics Anonymous TWELVE STEPS AND TWELVE TRADITIONS
Don Aslett: Clutter's Last Stand, Not For Pack Rats Only, How do I
Clean the Moosehead?
Stephanie Culp: How to Organize, How to Simplify Your Life
Young and Jones, Sidetracked Home Executives (Warner 1981)
Young and Jones, The Sidetracked Sisters Catch-up on the Kitchen
(Warner 1983)
Young and Jones, The Sidetracked Sisters' Happiness File (Warner 1985)
Young and Jones, Get Your Act Together (Harper Collins 1993).
SHE and GYAT can usually be found at large chain bookstores or
Christian bookstores (these are not "Christian" publications, per se).
The sisters themselves peddle a variety of SHE items.... Address is:
Sidetracked Home Executives, Inc.,PO Box 5364, Vancouver, WA 98668
[360] 696-4091 http://www.shesintouch.com
"Confessions of an Organized Homemaker" by Deniece Schofield.
(Publisher: Betterway Books, Cincinnati OH. The cover lists it at
$10.99 US, $15.99 CAN, 7.99 UK).
"Lighten Up! Free Yourself From Clutter," by Michelle Passoff, Harper
Collins Publishers, 1998.  ISBN 0-06-095265-2.

Wed, 25 February 1998
MRS BONNIE J RICE <[email protected]>
Home Organization Booklist Online

Dan, It's official, I've moved my website to
http://getolife.hypermart.net and am hoping to provide more
interactivity with the new site. I'm working on making the site more
helpful. Any ideas would be appreciated.

I just finished reorganizing my home organization book list into
categories instead of by author. If you are looking for the perfect
book on meal-planning or paper handling or clutter control, you can
actually go to that section of the list. Many of the books can be
ordered through Amazon directly from the list and some of the authors
have websites of their own that are linked to the list.
http://getolife.hypermart.net/booklist.html

[2/99] ... anyone who has taken the home organization class and wants
to join a support community on excite (you need to join excite which
might be a hassle to some) please let me know and I'll send you an
invitation that will get you in. It's a closed community so we won't
have spam or other inappropriate things there.

Friday, 23 Jan 1998
ttista
cleaning tools

I follow Don Aslett's book Is There Life After Housework. You can get
his catalog 1-800-451-2402. I use his mop, it's called a scrubbee doo.
really.

He explains how to use the right cleaning tools, and cleaning
products.

[http://www.cleanreport.com/]

Friday, 27 February 1998
Stella Sloop
SHE Online...

For those of you who have been wondering what in the world the SHE
Online thing is all about, and for those who may have been too late to
take advantage of it this past time, here's hope:

from the Get O message board of AOL

Re: March Is Clean Sweep Month!
(Get O CEO)
27 February 1998

'Kim asks if the Delphi service (new home of SHE's Online and 21 Days
to SHE) is another service like AOL.

'Kim, yes and no. Yes, you can get Internet access through Delphi. No,
it's not necessary to have a paid account to visit Custom Forum 222,
the Get Organized Board, on the World Wide Web:
http://www.delphi.com/mc When it asks "Go to Forum by Number", type in
222.

'All you do is sign up for a FREE membership at the log in page. Don't
worry, you can't miss it. Pick a username and a password. and you're
up and running.

'In format, Delphi is pretty nice. Messages are threaded, and easy to
read and to post. There's no length limitation like the Slob Sisters
Online message board. And since blessed Delphi permits me to retain
copyright,it's JUST the place to post the 21 Days essays--don't miss
out!...'

http://www.organizedhome.com

Sat, 11 April 1998
Mycala W Shaulis
Kitchen Web Link

http://www.123sortit.com/toc.html

It covers not just the kitchen, but virtually every room in the house.

Sat, 11 April 1998
Josie Morgan
Financial Info: What to Keep

I ran across this link while working on our taxes today:
http://www.quicken.com/saving/frugal/

It is an article by Jane Bryant Quinn on how to organize financial
records--it covers what to keep, how long to keep it, and logical ways
to organize it.

Wed, 27 May 1998 - updated 26 February 2000:
OrganizeWize -- now GET ORGANIZED

Now that I'm getting more content to my pages I was wondering if you
would add Organize Wize to your FAQ. I have added a printable form
that helps for setting goals called Daily Active Enforcement (DAE)
Goal page and info on how to get started decluttering (or achieving
any goal) called "Charting the course".

Added 2/26/00 "FREE planners, organizers, free software for home,
office, wedding, pregnancy, holiday and budget"
GET ORGANIZED
http://www.organizetips.com

Thu, 18 June 1998
Balance Check
DECLUTTR: change of site address - balance check - FAQ

Home page: http://members.aol.com/balanceck/

DeCluttr FAQ: http://user.cybrzn.com/~kenyonck/add/faq_clutter.html
DeCluttr FAQ - SHORT:
http://user.cybrzn.com/~kenyonck/add/faq_short_decluttr.html
Clutter Books:
http://user.cybrzn.com/~kenyonck/add/books/clutter_books.htm
Clutter Links: http://user.cybrzn.com/~kenyonck/add/Links/
links_categories_clutter.html#clutter

Sun, 26 July 1998
Jeannie Weeks <[email protected]>

..Chore Genie is a shareware application that helps to schedule your
household chores, includes a menu-builder and a to-do list....We offer
tips and worksheets for getting started, which can be viewed on our
web site at http://www.wecosoft.com/tips.html....We even have an email
loop anyone can join by sending me a request to
[email protected]. The email loop has tips for using the program
as well as general topics for staying motivated, getting started and
anything else that is on topic. Anyone is welcome to join!

Jeannie Weeks Wecosoft
http://www.wecosoft.com
ICQ#2837260
Chore Genie on AOL

Sun, 18 Oct 1998
The Roberts Family

I'm pleased to announce that I've added 3 pages on decluttering to my
web site (all decked up in fall colors).  More will be forthcoming, of
course: http://www.pongo.com/~webpages/andy

alt.recovery.clutter
"SaraB"
Web Site
Thu Mar 18 1999

http://www.juliemorgenstern.com/
This is the website by Julie Morgenstern (duh...) of Organizing from
the Inside Out. Just found it last night. I especially liked her
"challenge" section.

alt.recovery.clutter
"Terry Voss"
Neat Link!
Tue Mar 23 1999

Online Organizing Expo: http://www.organizedtimes.com/expo2.htm
Just found it myself, so I'll be exploring. Looks good, though.

Mon, 28 Jun 1999
Katrina Ancel
organizing Link

Thought I'd pass this one along..it is the Professional Organizer Web
Ring...tons of info on getting organized at the home site, plus since
it's a ring they link to other sites on the topic.

http://www.organizerswebring.com/

Fri, 9 Jul 1999
Katrina Ancel
Free Organizing Guide from Julie Morgenstern

Get a free guide on the ten most common pitfalls when organizing and
how to avoid them..from TaskMasters the company owned by Julie
Morgenstern author of "Organizing from the Inside Out"
http://www.juliemorgenstern.com/task_masters_history.html

alt.recovery.clutter
From: naomiy
Found a neat web site! (Pun intended)
Date: Thu Aug 19 1999

Check out: http://www.organizedhome.com./

A bit advanced for some of us maybe, but there are lots of good
resources here!

Newsgroups: alt.recovery.clutter
Subject: Re: I found another organizational site

Hello everyone,
One of my favorite Web sites is http://www.thathomesite.com. I
received notice from them that they have a new forum--Organizing your
Home. It looks interesting. Oh, and no, I have no connection with this
site!

Paula

Newsgroups: alt.recovery.clutter
Subject: Re: New OneList Community

I've just launched a new OneList community that might be of interest.
It's called 2BeClutterFree, and it's intended as a support group for
the clutterer/messie/housekeeping-impaired person who's actively
trying to get control of his/her life back. All ages, genders, etc.
:-) are welcome. Humor is also welcome, flame-wars aren't.

If you're interested, please proceed to http://www.onelist.com . If
you isplace the list name [which has happened to me on other
occasions], look nder the category Health:Support Groups.

Hi - I've created a little web community dedicated to simple living.
I ave a great section on clutter control - and thought maybe some
members here would like to check it out! :)

http://communities.msn.com/SimpleLiving&naventryid=116

I ...have a brand new website called the Clutter Control Center. It is
completely free (of course!) and I am trying to get people involved
who can contribute to the bulletin board, chat, etc.  I could use some
"experts" to give advice, etc., but with a sense of humor. After
all---if you can't cry over the mess, you might as well laugh! Also
looking for ideas to expand the page, etc. Could sure use help!

The Clutter Control Center: get control of that housework!
http://msmoo.simplenet.com/slobbies/index.html

Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:20:31 -0500 (CDT)
Newsgroups: alt.recovery.clutter
Subject: Re: Messies Anonymous Posting Forum Website Address

The Messies Anonymous Posting Forum is at the Cybermom.com website in
the Forum named Household Helpline.  Stroll down to bottom of the
messages list until you see MESSIES ANONYMOUS- JULY. This is the
current active posting site. When July is over with, they will start a
new topic titled MESSIES ANONYMOUS- AUGUST with a new message and etc.

Newsgroups: alt.recovery.clutter
Subject: Re: Messie Anonymous Web Ring

reginabrown wrote:
http://www.webring.org/cgi-bin/webring?ring=messies;list

Newsgroups: alt.recovery.clutter
Subject: Re: Yahoo's Search Page Results For Messies, Clutterers, and
Packrats Yahoo Clubs

I had trouble with the previous link and could not connect to the web
page. Sorry about the trouble with the link. Here is a new web link
you might want to follow to get to the clubs.--->
http://clubs.yahoo.com/?myclubs to get to the Yahoo Clubs search page.
Click on the Family & Home link and continue on. Here is the path to
show you how to get to the clubs---> Home > Family & Home > Home and
Garden > Homemaking (37) The clubs are in the Homemaking section which
has 37 different type clubs.

Newsgroups: alt.recovery.clutter
Subject: Re: Julie Morganstern on PBS!

.. we've just put up a brand new Idea Exchange bulletin board on
Julie's site: http://juliemorgenstern.com/cgi-bin/Ultimate.cgi....
Sincerely,
Carol Crespo
Webmaster

Subject: Re: New Don Aslett Book

"Lose 200 Lbs. This Weekend: It's Time to Declutter Your Life!"

In the Introduction, Don says, "I had four books on clutter now and
forty-five years of experience cleaning it up. Every day and week new
"trash and trauma" stories about clutter arrived, ideas and solutions,
disaster and salvation accounts, more and better information on
copingwith and coming to terms with clutter. I knew by now, too
(because youkept telling me), that clutter sufferers need regular
doses of dejunking therapy," and it was time for a new decluttering
guide."

Editorial comment: This NG is a regular dose for me.

The book has two missions: 1.) to convince and help you to dejunk NOW,
and 2.) to develop a thread from "Clutter's Last Stand" on the mental
and spiritual aspect of clutter.

I do enjoy his approach. The humor helps me not to take myself too
seriously.

Carolyn

Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000
Subject: Re: info on web

While cleaning out my 2 boxes (see earlier post) I found a post that I
printed out on 10/30/99 from Paula who suggested Organizing for the
Creative Person.  Now a year later I search the web for that title and
found this link, excerpts from the book, better later than never!
http://www.danielofficeproducts.com/tips/two.html

Date: Thursday, 9 November 2000
Dear Dan,

Would like you to look at my site, http://www.clutter-recovery.com. It
has affirmations and some observations about cluttering as an
emotional, spiritual and psychological challenge. Also excerpts from
my upcoming book Stop Clutter From Stealing Your Life.

Thanks, Mike Nelson



Dan Goodman
[email protected]
Whatever you wish for me, may you have twice as much.

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