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Subject: alt.recovery.clutter FAQ November
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If you see something which needs changing, please let me know.

alt.recovery.clutter is a place where people who have cluttering as a
problem can discuss methods of dealing with it, share Experience, Strength
and Hope, recommend books on decluttering (and ways to keep them from
becoming part of the clutter) and get contact information for self-help
groups. alt.recovery.clutter is not affiliated with any organization, nor
does it speak for any organization.

You may want to also try one or more of these email lists:

[email protected].  To subscribe, send any message to
[email protected].  This seems to be the liveliest one just
now.

[email protected]. To subscribe, send a message to
[email protected]: Subscribe Decluttr Your Name. Put this in
the body of the message (the Listserv software ignores subject headings),
and try not to put anything else in the message (this includes your
signature). Note: "Decluttr" with one e.

There are a bunch of other mailing lists, but the ones I know about don't
seem very active.  If there's one you want to see listed here, tell me.

LiveJournal (http://livejournal.com) communities listed as interested in
decluttering:
anticonsumerex - Financial Freedom Shall Be Ours!
clean_gweep - Do not mess with the Gweep armed with the broom.
flyladies - Flyladies and Flybabies Community
frugaluxe - frugaluxe
home_making - home_making
it_all_goes - it_all_goes
organize - Let's Get Organized
organizedlife - Organized Life
pagans_fly - pagans_fly
stonesoupswap - stonesoupswap

Q: What is clutter?
A: "Clutter is anything we don't need, want, or use that takes our time,
energy or space, and destroys our serenity.  It can be outgrown clothes,
obsolete paper....We may be selective in some areas, but not in others.
Objects may be strewn about or wedged into drawers; neatly stacked or
stowed in storage." The Twelve Steps of Clutterers Anonymous, CLA WSO
Literature Committee, approved February 1996.

Q: Is cluttering a real problem?
A: Anything that can get you evicted, get your children taken away from
you, keep you from inviting people into your home, get you charged more by
retailers and the tax authorities because you can't find the paperwork
needed to pay them on time, is a real problem.

Q: Does cluttering go together with ___?
A: Clutterers are more likely to have one of these: clinical depression,
Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD), Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder, Post
Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD).  But none of these invariably goes
together with cluttering; and cluttering doesn't invariably go together
with any of them.

Organizations for clutterers

If you can't find a local group, call your local self-help phone number (if
you can't find it easily in the phonebook, ask your local library for help
finding it).

If there's an organization or local meeting not listed here which you think
should be, please let me know. I'm also interested in people's experiences
with groups.

Where a phone number is given, please call first to make sure the meeting
is still at the time and place given.

Clutterers Anonymous World Service Organization:
http://www.clutterersanonymous.net phone: (310) 281-6064; recording, you
can leave messages.  CLA, PO Box 91413, Los Angeles, CA 90009-91413.  CLA
East:  (866) 800-3881, http://www.claeast.org.  Twin Cities MN info: (612)
821-3934 or [email protected]. 12-Step group.

Messies Anonymous: 5025 SW 114th Ave., Miami, FL 33165. 1-800-MESS AWAY
Quarterly newsletter $5 per year -- sample newsletter free. Internet:
[email protected]. Website: http://www.messies.com  Uses the 12 Steps, but
doesn't adhere to all guidelines.  (Founder isn't anonymous.)

"If you write to the address for the newsletter and include your city and
state, you will receive a list of others in the area who have asked for the
same information OR the name and number of the person who has organized
such a group--if there is one. You will also receive as much information
and support as you might need if you want to start your own group." Bonnie
Rice
Change: You can now ask from the website.

Clutterless. http://www.clutterless.org Not a 12-step group, but uses some
things from the 12-step tradition.

If there isn't a group in your area:  Messies Anonymous has online
meetings, and Clutterers Anonymous will have one soon.  Clutterers
Anonymous has a phone meeting.

Declutter and Messies topics on http://meetup.com.  The basic idea of
Meetup is that
people interested in a certain topic will attend monthly local meetings on
a certain day at a certain local time.  (This will become more flexible
this fall.)  I don't think either of these topics has yet attracted enough
people in one place for a local meetup.

Does anyone near San Francisco know if this is still going, and how to
contact them?

Passed on by Lori Burkart
'A Hoarders' and Clutterers' Support Group has been formed in San Francisco
and meets twice a month (2nd and 4th Mondays, 3-4 p.m.)

'The flyer reads:
"For Mental Health Consumers who have too much stuff and want help, the San
Francisco Mental Health Association's Consumer Housing Group presents a
Hoarders' and Clutterers' Support Group"

'"Twice a month, starting Nov. 1997:
2nd Mondays ....
4th Mondays at Canon Kip, 705 Natoma (@ 8th St.)

'"[note: the Association is responding to the problem of evictions due to
Hoarding problems]"'

alt.recovery.clutter
(BRADFORDMC)
Sun Jan 18 1998

"I saw the original post of the San Francisco....group meetings and
attended my first meeting at the Madrid Hotel. Due to parking restrictions
and space considerations in that area the plan for the 2nd Monday in
February is to meet @ the Canon Kip location, 705 Natoma@8th Street (S.F.)
I find the support mutual and encouraging. I encourage anyone interested in
the area to attend. I also am interested in the possibility of starting a
meeting in the east bay. One other person at the meeting lives in Berkeley.
Due to a vision problem, it would be much easier to attend meetings closer
to home. Anyone else interested?"

Informal: Minnesota; around St. Louis Park/Edina/Golden Valley --someone
who can't currently get to the CLA meetings would like to meet informally.
Call Zola at (612) 921-4917.

Useful Books, etc.

Sandra Felton. THE MESSIES MANUAL: The Procrastinator's Guide to Good
Housekeeping
THE MESSIES SUPERGUIDE: Strategies and Ideas for Conquering Catastrophic
Living.
MEDITATIONS FOR MESSIES
Alcoholics Anonymous TWELVE STEPS AND TWELVE TRADITIONS
Don Aslett: Clutter's Last Stand, Not For Pack Rats Only, How do I Clean
the Moosehead?
Stephanie Culp: How to Organize, How to Simplify Your Life
Young and Jones, Sidetracked Home Executives (Warner 1981)
Young and Jones, The Sidetracked Sisters Catch-up on the Kitchen (Warner
1983)
Young and Jones, The Sidetracked Sisters' Happiness File (Warner 1985)
Young and Jones, Get Your Act Together (Harper Collins 1993).
(....) SHE and GYAT can usually be found at large chain bookstores or
Christian bookstores (these are not "Christian" publications, per se). the
sisters themselves peddle a variety of SHE items.... Address is:
Sidetracked Home Executives, Inc.
P. O. Box 5364
Vancouver, WA 98668 [360] 696-4091
http//www.shesintouch.com
"Confessions of an Organized Homemaker" by Deniece Schofield. (Publisher:
Betterway Books, Cincinnati OH. The cover lists it at 10.99US, 15.99CAN,
7.99UK).
"Lighten Up! Free Yourself From Clutter," by Michelle Passoff, Harper
Collins Publishers, 1998.  ISBN 0-06-095265-2.

Wed, 25 Feb 1998
MRS BONNIE J RICE <[email protected]>
Home Organization Booklist Online

Dan, It's official, I've moved my website to http://getolife.hypermart.net
and am hoping to provide more interactivity with the new site. I'm working
on making the site more helpful. Any ideas would be appreciated.

I just finished reorganizing my home organization book list into categories
instead of by author. If you are looking for the perfect book on
meal-planning or paper handling or clutter control, you can actually go to
that section of the list. Many of the books can be ordered through Amazon
directly from the list and some of the authors have websites of their own
that are linked to the list. http://getolife.hypermart.net/booklist.html

[2/99]  ... anyone who has taken the home organization class and wants to
join a support community on excite (you need to join excite which might be
a hassle to some) please let me know and I'll send you an invitation that
will get you in. It's a closed community so we won't have spam or other
inappropriate things there.

Fri, 23 Jan 1998
ttista
cleaning tools

I follow Don Aslett's book Is There Life After Housework. You can get his
catalog 1-800-451-2402. I use his mop, it's called a scrubbee doo. really.

He explains how to use the right cleaning tools, and cleaning products.

[new: http://www.cleanreport.com/]

Fri, 27 Feb 1998
Stella Sloop
SHE Online...

For those of you who have been wondering what in the world the SHE Online
thing is all about, and for those who may have been too late to take
advantage of it this past time, here's hope:

from the Get O message board of AOL

Re: March Is Clean Sweep Month!
(Get O CEO)
27 Feb 1998

'Kim asks if the Delphi service (new home of SHE's Online and 21 Days to
SHE) is another service like AOL.

'Kim, yes and no. Yes, you can get Internet access through Delphi. No, it's
not necessary to have a paid account to visit Custom Forum 222, the Get
Organized Board, on the World Wide Web: http://www.delphi.com/mc When it
asks "Go to Forum by Number", type in 222.

'All you do is sign up for a FREE membership at the log in page. Don't
worry, you can't miss it. Pick a username and a password. and you're up and
running.

'In format, Delphi is pretty nice. Messages are threaded, and easy to read
and to post. There's no length limitation like the Slob Sisters Online
message board. And since blessed Delphi permits me to retain copyright,
it's JUST the place to post the 21 Days essays--don't miss out!...'

http//www.organizedhome.com

Sat, 11 April 1998
Mycala W Shaulis
Kitchen Web Link

http://www.123sortit.com/toc.html

It covers not just the kitchen, but virtually every room in the house.

Sat, 11 April 1998
Josie Morgan
Financial Info: What to Keep

I ran across this link while working on our taxes today:
http://www.quicken.com/saving/frugal/

It is an article by Jane Bryant Quinn on how to organize financial records
--it covers what to keep, how long to keep it, and logical ways to organize
it.

Wed, 27 May 1998
OrganizeWize

Now that I'm getting more content to my pages I was wondering if you would
add Organize Wize to your FAQ. I have added a printable form that helps for
setting goals called Daily Active Enforcement (DAE) Goal page and info on
how to get started decluttering (or achieving any goal) called "Charting
the course".

Nita in MT FREE Ezine, online signup
Organize Wize: http://organizewize.hypermart.net

Thu, 18 June 1998
Balance Check
DECLUTTR: change of site address - balance check - FAQ

Home page: http://members.aol.com/balanceck/

DeCluttr FAQ: http://user.cybrzn.com/~kenyonck/add/faq_clutter.html
DeCluttr FAQ - SHORT:
http://user.cybrzn.com/~kenyonck/add/faq_short_decluttr.html
Clutter Books:
http://user.cybrzn.com/~kenyonck/add/books/clutter_books.htm Clutter
Links: http://user.cybrzn.com/~kenyonck/add/Links/
links_categories_clutter.html#clutter

Sun, 26 July 1998
Jeannie Weeks <[email protected]>

[...] Chore Genie is a shareware application that helps to schedule your
household chores, includes a menu-builder and a to-do list.... We offer
tips and worksheets for getting started, which can be viewed on our web
site at http://www.wecosoft.com/tips.html.... We even have an email loop
anyone can join by sending me a request to [email protected]. The
email loop has tips for using the program as well as general topics for
staying motivated, getting started and anything else that is on topic.
Anyone is welcome to join!

Jeannie Weeks Wecosoft
http://www.wecosoft.com
ICQ#2837260
Chore Genie on AOL

Sun, 18 Oct 1998
The Roberts Family

I'm pleased to announce that I've added 3 pages on decluttering to my web
site (all decked up in fall colors).  More will be forthcoming, of course:
http://www.pongo.com/~webpages/andy

alt.recovery.clutter
"SaraB"
Web Site
Thu Mar 18 1999

http://www.juliemorgenstern.com/
This is the website by Julie Morgenstern (duh...) of Organizing from the
Inside Out. Just found it last night. I especially liked her "challenge"
section.

alt.recovery.clutter
"Terry Voss"
Neat Link!
Tue Mar 23 1999

Online Organizing Expo: http://www.organizedtimes.com/expo2.htm Just found
it myself, so I'll be exploring. Looks good, though.

Mon, 28 Jun 1999
Katrina Ancel
organizing Link

Thought I'd pass this one along..it is the Professional Organizer Web
Ring...tons of info on getting organized at the home site, plus since it's
a ring they link to other sites on the topic..

http://www.organizerswebring.com/

Fri, 9 Jul 1999
Katrina Ancel
Free Organizing Guide from Julie Morgenstern

Get a free guide on the ten most common pitfalls when organizing and how to
avoid them..from TaskMasters the company owned by Julie Morgenstern author
of "Organizing from the Inside Out"
http://www.juliemorgenstern.com/task_masters_history.html

alt.recovery.clutter
From: naomiy
[1] Found a neat web site! (Pun intended)
Date: Thu Aug 19 1999

Check out: http://www.organizedhome.com./

A bit advanced for some of us maybe, but there are lots of good resources
here!

--
Dan Goodman
Journal http://www.livejournal.com/users/dsgood
Predictions and Politics http://dsgood.blogspot.com
All political parties die at last of swallowing their own lies.
John Arbuthnot (1667-1735), Scottish writer, physician.

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